Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 In a message dated 10/31/2004 3:55:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > > but they won't consider thyroid levels affecting seratonin levels at > all. > but it does. not enough T3 in the brain and you don't have enough serotonin. i guess giving out Armour Thyroid isn't as profitable as SSRIs, anti-psychotics, anti-depressants. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 In a message dated 10/31/2004 5:34:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, artisticgroom@... writes: > > Of course it isn't, they MIGHT actually get well and not need any meds! Or > doctors! > > on in the case of the BDD psychologist that got me started on this thread...buy his books. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Happy Healthy Birthday Sis!!! Artistic Grooming Hurricane, West Virginia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.784 / Virus Database: 530 - Release Date: 10/27/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 I personally see nothing wrong with avoiding people who refuse to keep trying to seek ways to better their lives or their health. And that applies to blood relatives too. I have a daughter & son who're both that way & my other two children don't even want to have much to do with their siblings because they're so depressed & aren't moving off Square One to help themselves much, if at all like the other two are. My two adult kids in their bad situations & ill health depress me too. I end up just crying or feeling miserable myself because I can't help them & they won't help themselves much either. So there's nothing can be done until they change their tune. I don't have much to do with them either anymore, even though I still love them & they're my own kids after all. But they live in another state so it's not hard for me to avoid them. Even my sister & BIL who live here nearby me say if I moved there where those kids of mine are, I'd die there as I'd get no help from them & be further depressed by their lives as well. I think I would too. It's not worth my life to do that. Same with your mom & sisters, IMHO. Stay away from them & tell them how you feel if you've a mind to. Tho even that's not necessary. If they see the changes for the better in you & come around asking what you did & asking for your help, then you can get someplace with them. But until then, you just can't & don't have to be dragged down further by their negative influence on you either. Not if you've already tried to help them for years every which way you could like I have with my kids. Two of mine caught on & are supporting me in my efforts to heal myself better as they are as well. The other two aren't. Just my two cents for what it's worth. Carolne Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection Okay, this is an old conversation, but I am severely behind in my email. I can totally buy into the theory that people just love being miserable. My mother, a nurse for gosh sakes, is just that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 In a message dated 10/31/2004 6:05:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, MamaMaha@... writes: > > So how does seratonin work really? serotonin is a brain chemical...a " feel good " chemical according to some. i guess it works like hormones....too much or not enough and you have problems in some area. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 You may be correct that the mental deterioration from lack of proper thyroid replacement is the key for some people staying in their sick, dramatic modes. Or for manipulative reasons through maintaining their ill health & low thyroid function around family members or close friends or even their personal religious or spiritual beliefs. Who knows? I know also it's really scarey & risky to think of getting better & giving up our old roles or ways of being & living & interacting with others, especially as we age more. " Ya can't teach an old dog new tricks " as the saying goes. Some are just " old " in their mindsets too if not by chronicological age. For some getting better would require making whole bunches of changes in lifestyles. Even diet changes, perhaps more & different exercise, taking new things not prescribed by doctors, even going against their doctors' " orders " . Also often it makes for divorces, moving/relocating, giving up old friends & even family or other familiar community resources. That's a lot to ask & is too risky for some people to even think about let alone venture into further education to change. It's an adventure into the unknown in a lot of ways. And the unknown is often too fearful a place for some people to go. It takes a lot of courage & fortitude, not just " right " thinking. But the thinking is where it starts, yes. It all starts with entertaining & contemplating a new thought-form that builds on itself in other major directions & even lifestyles. Just my thoughts on it all as having " been there, done that " myself many times over & still doing it. Caroline Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection In a message dated 10/31/2004 8:22:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, hedoblonde@... writes: i can't remember if I told yall about the one gal on the BDD forum that got diagnosed hypo (her Free T3 was below range) but is rather adamant about that not being the reason for her mental problems and personality disorder. And I'm wondering how dense can someone be And then I wondered....does the hypo actually give them faulty thinking? I remember reading the hypo can make it " difficult to grasp new concepts " and now I'm wondering if that is the case...why do we even bother? sigh. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 you know the funny thing is they'll tell you they're still not entirely sure what affects seratonin levels in the brain, they just know that increasing them helps depression. but they won't consider thyroid levels affecting seratonin levels at all. sorta like how my ex doc wouldn't believe fibromyalgia might come from untreated thyroid disease. yet says, " i don't know " when i asked him where else it might come from. " i don't know at all the cause of a but i'm SURE it's not because of b. " duh. baron > > i think this is very accurate. I've had a hard time conveying that > brain > chemistry is affected by thyroid dysfunction...as in less > serotonin...which is > what the psychs seem to blame so much on...and yet they don't check T3 > levels to > assure that serotonin is indeed available. T3 is actually being > called a > brain chemical by some researchers. > cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 at 49 you have your whole life ahead of you. happy birthday, spooky. > yes...thank goodness for this group...where I know folks are trying to > learn > all they can to get better. > btw...today is my birthday...no witch comments please...I'm 49. > Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Well...not all people are lucky enough to have computers or know how to use them either. That in itself, makes a HUGE difference, IMHO. I wouldn't know much at all had it not been that I've owned a computer since the first PCs were invented. Through searching for answers for my own health needs, even astrologically, is how I came to be in this thyroid egroup & getting other health/throid-related newsletters via email in the first place. If it wasn't for my knowledge of astrology, I'd never be here or have learned what I now know about low thyroid at all. It's also not so easy to debrainwash ourselves from what the patriarchal structure, even via the AMA & pharmeceuticals have set up for us. We've been taught since Day One to follow our " authority " figures orders & not " make waves " as our patriarchal tradition has taught us to. Many people feel deeply guilty or sinful if they even *think* of bucking the system. So they just block out all other thoughts or suggestions. That involves a deep level of FEAR to get past to make the necessary changes, even to get into self-medicating or going against mainstream beliefs or dictates. Doing so can cause isolation & even disenfranchisement by " the system " & even from one's family or spouses as witnessed here. That's no small thing at all. It's just too scarey & guilt-producing for some people. Caroline Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection i guess we bother cos we care and it's happened to us, and we know there's hope. i don't think whatever's happened to them has much to do with the faulty thinking caused by hypo. didn't stop any of us from wanting to know more, and don't the people here represent a pretty good cross section of thyroid sufferers?. the answers are out there. you just have to have the faith and determination to look. most people don't...they're ready and willing to accept whatever doctors tell them to. and, for the most part, a lot of people are happy with just whining and complaining and not doing anything about it. it's just our nature as people. b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Yes & dying or committing suicide is the coward's easier way out too. It happens all the time. See my other email about guilt, fear, debrainwashing & going against " authority figures " & venturing into the Unknown....ALONE for the most part. That all takes a lot of courage, IMHO. Happy Holloweanie to all too! LOL!! And may all our days from hence forward be all hallowed (wholey/whole/holy). Caroline Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection Hi Cindi, That's because griping and whining are WAAAAAAYYYYYY easier than actually getting up off one's behind and doing something about it. My mom and sisters are all that way, in fact so is my brother but he's as skinny as a rail. Just as dysfunctional, but skinny as a rail. The better I begin to feel from getting up and doing, rather than whining and doing nothing, the more dumbfounded I get that more people don't do the same. Oh well....at least we all have each other. Happy Halloween!!!Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 It's about the AMA treating body parts not the whole body too, IMHO. They separate things like we're a mess of cogs, wheels, bolts, nuts & engine parts to be examined & diagnosed like a machine, not like a human being. That's the patriarchal " machine mentatlity " for ya. One friend of mine who's a Reiki healer, masseuse, medical student, Auyervedic/Tibetan/American herbalist who's got a dysfunctional pituitary & is diabetic, is poor & stuck with MediCal here in California (Medicaid in other states) said she went to a chiropodist who didn't even know what a metatarsal arch bone was. She said she also noticed when she went to that clinic that there were many doors & departments with different body parts or anatomy functions on them. And one didn't know what the other was even about most of the time. Too many specialists & not enough wholistic practioners if you ask me. The insurance HMOs don't even cover the alternative wholistic types of healing either so people often have to stay with the " body parts " authorities who don't know what a " whole " human being even is, to get any kind of health care at all. So there's way more to this than just judging people for being lazy or wanting to stay in their misery. Caroline Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection there's another component to this...and that is most people with a mental or mood disorders are almost always convinced that there is something very wrong with them mentally. so even if they are aware that they are not normal and suffer a condition, be it bdd or bipolar disease or something like this, their research, dr's visits, psychiatric evaluations, etc., all have them firmly convinced that the root of their condition is in brain chemistry, not thyroid disease. segregating mental health and thyroid health is the fault of the medical establishment. the result is that we have experts who know a lot about one thing and not a lot about the other, and how the two can relate.very unfortunate.b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Deb, you're not bad for not wanting to have to deal with your mom. This disease can do some pretty interesting things to people. I have seen it in my mom for years. I would rather not believe that she's got some 'defunct character' but I tell ya, sometimes it's hard not to think those types of things about them. She knows she does well on Armour, but something holds her back. I have found that not talking to her on a regular basis is better for me, period. My Mom was never really all that good at making choices for herself, so this isn't anything new to us. She's the type who has to be told, and since I lack the 'dr's degree', she's not listening. Thyroid issues do run in our family, but I don't have the time, energy, or effort to 'convince' her. And honestly, taking care of ourselves is a full time job, along with helping people who are really seeking answers for themselves in these groups. I'm not offering anymore unsolicited advice about thyroid related issues to her, or the chances of her having it. It is very frustrating but it's also not possible to fix her problems. I have offered her a solution to how badly she feels, and she refuses to take it. Until she admits there is a problem that could be her thyroid, anything I say will fall on deaf ears. I think the fact that we don't want to see our mom's suffer with something needlessly makes it hard to just detach from them. SandyE~Houston Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection Hi! Okay, this is an old conversation, but I am severely behind in my email. I can totally buy into the theory that people just love being miserable. My mother, a nurse for gosh sakes, is just that way. I am 100% certain that she is very hypothyroid, it runs in the family in a very big way and she has ALL the symptoms. But, instead of listening to me (I have almost never been wrong with health stuff once I do my research) she bounces from doctor to doctor to doctor to see how many more pills she can take. And of course thinks they are the gods they think themselves to be. It's pretty sad really. And all she wants to do is complain how terrible she feels, when she isn't making up stories about how she's having " the time of her life " out in Arizona. I talk to her best friend (they've been friends since they were 5) and Mom doesn't hardly ever leave her apartment. So I know better. And she complains about everything to her too. I get so tired of hearing my own mother complain about things, or just flat out lie, that I don't talk to her much. I can't take all that misery, it isn't healthy and all it does is make me mad because there really is no need for it. Am I bad for really disliking talking to or spending time with my mother? For the record, I am pretty sure both of my sisters are also very hypothyroid, but they are just like my mother in that they enjoy being miserable and making everyone around them just as miserable as they are. I avoid them like the plague and have for some time, but now since I am feeling so much better, their attitudes irritate me even more. UGH!!!! Hugs, Deb :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 >>i guess giving out Armour Thyroid isn't as profitable as SSRIs, anti-psychotics, anti-depressants.<< Of course it isn't, they MIGHT actually get well and not need any meds! Or doctors! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 So how does seratonin work really? I've heard about it before but I've forgetten what that's all about now. Got that right about Armour not being as profitable tho. I mean if the AMA were really into curing people, they'd soon have no patients & a lot less income, right? That is unless they started selling holistic alternative products like so many of the more aware doctors are now doing online & making a killing that way keeping their clients depending on them for continuing on the alternative stuff. They're all only trying to make a living after all. Caroline Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection In a message dated 10/31/2004 3:55:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes:> > but they won't consider thyroid levels affecting seratonin levels at > all.> but it does. not enough T3 in the brain and you don't have enough serotonin. i guess giving out Armour Thyroid isn't as profitable as SSRIs, anti-psychotics, anti-depressants. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Sounds like it has something to do with endorphins, those " happy " critters some have more of than other running around in their bodies. C Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection serotonin is a brain chemical...a " feel good " chemical according to some. i guess it works like hormones....too much or not enough and you have problems in some area.cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 I am so amazed that your mother, as a nurse, wants anything at all to do with doctors. I'm a registered CNA, and during the 14 or so yrs I've been doing this, it was in this realm that I grew to intensely resent doctors because I always would see them in their real light, in this profession. Then, having thyroid disease really brought it all home to me, which is the icing on the cake. Since so many doctors simply don't respect their nurses and any nursing personnel, this really surprises me. Having gone through almost 6 months of a deep melancholic depression many yrs ago, I don't ever want to be there again, so I don't see how people would even want to make it a way of life. This is depression to me. Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection > > Hi! > > Okay, this is an old conversation, but I am severely behind in my email. I can totally buy into the theory that people just love being miserable. My mother, a nurse for gosh sakes, is just that way. I am 100% certain that she is very hypothyroid, it runs in the family in a very big way and she has ALL the symptoms. But, instead of listening to me (I have almost never been wrong with health stuff once I do my research) she bounces from doctor to doctor to doctor to see how many more pills she can take. And of course thinks they are the gods they think themselves to be. It's pretty sad really. And all she wants to do is complain how terrible she feels, when she isn't making up stories about how she's having " the time of her life " out in Arizona. I talk to her best friend (they've been friends since they were 5) and Mom doesn't hardly ever leave her apartment. So I know better. And she complains about everything to her too. I get so tired of hearing my own mother com! > plain > about things, or just flat out lie, that I don't talk to her much. I can't take all that misery, it isn't healthy and all it does is make me mad because there really is no need for it. Am I bad for really disliking talking to or spending time with my mother? > > For the record, I am pretty sure both of my sisters are also very hypothyroid, but they are just like my mother in that they enjoy being miserable and making everyone around them just as miserable as they are. I avoid them like the plague and have for some time, but now since I am feeling so much better, their attitudes irritate me even more. UGH!!!! > > Hugs, > > Deb :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 I'm late on this one, Cindi, but Happy Birthday anyway and have a good one! Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection > > In a message dated 10/31/2004 11:40:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, > hedoblonde@... writes: > > > Oh well....at least we all have each other. > > > > Happy Halloween!!! > > > > yes...thank goodness for this group...where I know folks are trying to learn > all they can to get better. > btw...today is my birthday...no witch comments please...I'm 49. > Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Yep, my kids think I'm a nut case for winging it on my own, especially the one who is married into a well off family and has lots of medical insurance to go to lots of doctors. She has Hashi's also, complains constantly about being tired and depressed, I offer her an answer, then she just rolls her eyes and says that that can't possibly be it because the doctor said so. Of course she's been on synthetic T4 all this time. It's not emotional because she is very happily married, just constantly with no energy, brin fogged in the morning even with a ton of sleep, can't lose any weight even visiting the health spa, etc, etc, etc.........So I just quit talking about it with them. They just think I'm a kook for doing my own tests and medicating myself. Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection > > Well...not all people are lucky enough to have computers or know how to use them either. That in itself, makes a HUGE difference, IMHO. I wouldn't know much at all had it not been that I've owned a computer since the first PCs were invented. > > Through searching for answers for my own health needs, even astrologically, is how I came to be in this thyroid egroup & getting other health/throid-related newsletters via email in the first place. If it wasn't for my knowledge of astrology, I'd never be here or have learned what I now know about low thyroid at all. > > It's also not so easy to debrainwash ourselves from what the patriarchal structure, even via the AMA & pharmeceuticals have set up for us. We've been taught since Day One to follow our " authority " figures orders & not " make waves " as our patriarchal tradition has taught us to. > > Many people feel deeply guilty or sinful if they even *think* of bucking the system. So they just block out all other thoughts or suggestions. That involves a deep level of FEAR to get past to make the necessary changes, even to get into self-medicating or going against mainstream beliefs or dictates. > > Doing so can cause isolation & even disenfranchisement by " the system " & even from one's family or spouses as witnessed here. That's no small thing at all. It's just too scarey & guilt-producing for some people. > Caroline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 LOL, Caroline------Doors in a medical office, with names of different specialties and noone knows what the other parts are doing-----This is the epitomy of why people aren't being cured. Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection > > It's about the AMA treating body parts not the whole body too, IMHO. They separate things like we're a mess of cogs, wheels, bolts, nuts & engine parts to be examined & diagnosed like a machine, not like a human being. That's the patriarchal " machine mentatlity " for ya. > > One friend of mine who's a Reiki healer, masseuse, medical student, Auyervedic/Tibetan/American herbalist who's got a dysfunctional pituitary & is diabetic, is poor & stuck with MediCal here in California (Medicaid in other states) said she went to a chiropodist who didn't even know what a metatarsal arch bone was. > > She said she also noticed when she went to that clinic that there were many doors & departments with different body parts or anatomy functions on them. And one didn't know what the other was even about most of the time. > > Too many specialists & not enough wholistic practioners if you ask me. The insurance HMOs don't even cover the alternative wholistic types of healing either so people often have to stay with the " body parts " authorities who don't know what a " whole " human being even is, to get any kind of health care at all. > > So there's way more to this than just judging people for being lazy or wanting to stay in their misery. > Caroline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Hi , I think it's that G.O.D. they tag onto the end of their names with the rest of their titles. I was in nursing school once.....almost finished too. I got up to the clinical part but I dropped out because I couldn't stand the medical " professionals " that were part of the clinical education. The nursing instructors had their favorites, and if you weren't one of those, then you flunked the class. Let's just say I perfected my brown nosing skills then because I had really wanted to me a nurse. Then when met the doctors I would have to be dealing with for the rest of the class....I think I lasted less than a month after that. Things I heard, things I saw, I couldn't stand it. Most were on some heavy drugs and we're talking the street stuff. And none respected the nurses at all! It was terrible they way they talked to us. They treated the students even worse than the " official " nurses. Then the other nurses took that as their key to treat us students badly. UGH!!! I gave up an became and accountant. Calculators can't treat you poorly. LOL!!! Have a great week everyone!! Deb P.S. My body says it's 5:00 AM,....but the clock says 4:00. I'm going to be messed up for a week from this time change! YUCK!!!! LOL!! wrote: I am so amazed that your mother, as a nurse, wants anything at all to do with doctors. I'm a registered CNA, and during the 14 or so yrs I've been doing this, it was in this realm that I grew to intensely resent doctors because I always would see them in their real light, in this profession. Then, having thyroid disease really brought it all home to me, which is the icing on the cake. Since so many doctors simply don't respect their nurses and any nursing personnel, this really surprises me. Having gone through almost 6 months of a deep melancholic depression many yrs ago, I don't ever want to be there again, so I don't see how people would even want to make it a way of life. This is depression to me. Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection > > Hi! > > Okay, this is an old conversation, but I am severely behind in my email. I can totally buy into the theory that people just love being miserable. My mother, a nurse for gosh sakes, is just that way. I am 100% certain that she is very hypothyroid, it runs in the family in a very big way and she has ALL the symptoms. But, instead of listening to me (I have almost never been wrong with health stuff once I do my research) she bounces from doctor to doctor to doctor to see how many more pills she can take. And of course thinks they are the gods they think themselves to be. It's pretty sad really. And all she wants to do is complain how terrible she feels, when she isn't making up stories about how she's having " the time of her life " out in Arizona. I talk to her best friend (they've been friends since they were 5) and Mom doesn't hardly ever leave her apartment. So I know better. And she complains about everything to her too. I get so tired of hearing my own mother com! > plain > about things, or just flat out lie, that I don't talk to her much. I can't take all that misery, it isn't healthy and all it does is make me mad because there really is no need for it. Am I bad for really disliking talking to or spending time with my mother? > > For the record, I am pretty sure both of my sisters are also very hypothyroid, but they are just like my mother in that they enjoy being miserable and making everyone around them just as miserable as they are. I avoid them like the plague and have for some time, but now since I am feeling so much better, their attitudes irritate me even more. UGH!!!! > > Hugs, > > Deb :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I also cannot imagine how people in deep depression or melancholia/malaise would want to stay in that mode for very long. It's the pits of hell, IMHO. I'm not that bad off right now but have been down there in those pits many a time in my life & couldn't wait to make whatever life changes I needed to climb out of that cold, lonely miserably dank & dark hell hole. I'd personaly rather be dead than live that way. That's not living at all. I have several older, now retired, nurse friends. They're all disgusted with doctors too. One of them is married to a heart diseased disabled doctor & she hates him too. So I've heard all kinds of stories about doctors, esp. the male doctors & how they treat nurses. On the other hand I think I've learned more from savvy, aware nurses than most of the doctors I've been to in my lifetime. Go figure that. Caroline Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection I am so amazed that your mother, as a nurse, wants anything at all to do with doctors. I'm a registered CNA, and during the 14 or so yrs I've been doing this, it was in this realm that I grew to intensely resent doctors because I always would see them in their real light, in this profession. Then, having thyroid disease really brought it all home to me, which is the icing on the cake. Since so many doctors simply don't respect their nurses and any nursing personnel, this really surprises me. Having gone through almost 6 months of a deep melancholic depression many yrs ago, I don't ever want to be there again, so I don't see how people would even want to make it a way of life. This is depression to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I don't even discuss what I'm doing for my own health with my kids anymore. Except somewhat with my older daughter is all. She's studying anatomy, diet, physiology & learning how hormones play a huge role in one's health, musculature & skeletal structure in order to become a personal trainer. So she understands my self-medicating more as she does a lot of that herself. So her I can talk to. But even she has closed her ears to much of whatever is ailing me or how I'm learning to treat it. I can't discuss any of this with my other three kids, they'd rather stay numb, dumb & dependant on the AMA or just die instead. Most of my kids & all my grandkids live in another state anyway so I never talk to any of them much anymore. Can't do much about that. So I know how it is. Caroline Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection Yep, my kids think I'm a nut case for winging it on my own, especially the one who is married into a well off family and has lots of medical insurance to go to lots of doctors. She has Hashi's also, complains constantly about being tired and depressed, I offer her an answer, then she just rolls her eyes and says that that can't possibly be it because the doctor said so. Of course she's been on synthetic T4 all this time. It's not emotional because she is very happily married, just constantly with no energy, brin fogged in the morning even with a ton of sleep, can't lose any weight even visiting the health spa, etc, etc, etc.........So I just quit talking about it with them. They just think I'm a kook for doing my own tests and medicating myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Got that right! They're in the business of studying disease in separate body parts, not holistic wellness. I figured that one out many years ago. Ya can't even rely on drs for proper testing or diagnosis anymore either. I think more & more, the name our game here is " physician heal thyself " ....meaning us. Caroline Re: a psychologist on thyroid connection LOL, Caroline------Doors in a medical office, with names of different specialties and noone knows what the other parts are doing-----This is the epitomy of why people aren't being cured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 In a message dated 11/13/2004 6:23:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, cubfan23@... writes: > Sorry I missed your birthday! Hope it was great! (Yep, this is , still > bringing up the rear!) > I was still alive. So it was good. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 In a message dated 11/13/2004 6:32:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, artisticgroom@... writes: > and dancing at a biker bar! WOO HOO!!!! I WANT TO GO! cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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