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Posted

---

Sorry forgot to sign off - and one last thing, since starting the scd

cannot get little one to go to sleep. He just can't seem to switch

off. He used to go at 8pm now he is hyper, crying at times to after

11. Anyone shed light on why this is happening? Sorry for all the

questions.

Aileen

In pecanbread , " stepbystep67 " <stepbystep@u...> wrote:

>

> Hello

> When does one know that the yeast and bacteria is actually gone. We

> are into week 5 and BM have been very unpredicable - I don't know

if

> it is a reaction to a new food or just yeast die off. What is the

> difference?

>

> Also my young man is still craving food i.e sugar food and keeps

> requesting for the jelly, raisens or honey. I have hardly give him

> any honey so far and i have given him raisens to entice to drink

the

> soup. He is six, with autism, non-social and little verbals (only

to

> request)and no concept of the diet. I am finding it all very hard

as

> he seems to have went backwards. He just climbs the cupboards day

in

> day out as he refuses to eat most of the foods, he is still wetting

> at night (he was dry for 2 years before diet) and quite verbally

> stimmy. I did G/C free before this with high hopes ABA with high

> hopes and now this diet. Even though he has learnt a great deal he

> just doesn't see the need to share it. He lacks motivation and

could

> sit all day watching the world go by. I am wondering am I just

> torturing him as he doesn't get into food shops anymore because of

> the sweets, does't get top parties, other people's houses -he is an

> nightmare to watch because all that is on his mind is food - sugar

in

> particular, his lunch is bland. He can't stand the sight of fruit -

I

> made up beautiful ice-cream with bananas and strawberries , a

little

> bit of coconut milk and a drizzle of honey. hubbie devoured it as

my

> little one cried his eyes out at the thought of me given this to

him.

> Later out for a walk he attempted to eat cows manure. I just feel

> like giving up. I don't know what I am doing-Every meal he is being

> force fed. Before this we were encouraging him to eat with a spoon

> and fork now he won't even feed himself . Where am I going wrong?

Has

> anyone else any of these issues and what helped. Didn't mean to go

on

> so long but I just feel like giving up!

Posted

We really need to know how you started SCD and what he is

eating now to give you good suggestions.

I did notice that you mention raisins. They are dried fruits and we

don't suggest introducing dried fruits until all digestive problems

have cleared up. They are difficult to digest.

Can you tell us how you started SCD (intro or not) and what you

are feeding him now?

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 20 months

Posted

Welcome Aileen,

Definately let us know exactly what he is eating. Sometimes phenol

problems become more obvious after starting SCD and some of his

behavior could be contributed to that if he's eating alot of phenols

(raisins are very high in salicylates.) And we can all give some tips

of good intro foods and treats that lots of our kids liked in the

beginning.

At week 5, he could definately still be going through die off. All of

the behavior you described could easily be caused by the yeast dying

off, especially the cravings for sugar. The beginning is really hard.

Keep going and offer lots of SCD legal foods. When the cravings abate

some, he may become more receptive of the SCD goodies you're working

so hard to make.

Good luck!

Chrystee

Sam, 5, NT, salicylate sensitive

SCD 8 months

Posted

Hi Jody and Chrystee Thanks for the replies.

I did the intro but Cian only accepted egg. On day 2-3 he was

listless with no energy to get up , wretching when he drank water and

very pale and sickly.He was clingly and unusually huggy and

calm.Slept alot. I thought the eggs had sickened him as he would only

eat them nearly raw. On day 3 he started wetting bed and not going to

sleep till very late.

For the next couple of weeks his diet consisted of organic chicken

and burgers, (turkey he refused)

waffles, allowed dry cured bacon, egg, allowed biscuit from BTVC and

any veg i could sneak into a quiche made from almond flour. onions,

garlic, peppers, carrots, greens, etc. He refused point blank to

drink soup, coloured juices - Cian has an absolute abhorance to

fruit - come anywhere near him with any fruit and he physically

wretchs!! Has anyone else experienced this and has any idea why and

how to address it. I did not offer fruit on the first few weeks

anyway.

Eventually got him to take spoon fuls of chicken broth

Lately I have got him to take some stew but literally spooned into

him.

He did not get any grape jelly, raisens or honey until last week-

week 5 as once I give Cian anything sweet that is all he wants. That

is exactly what happened. Cian craves for sugar all day. We have to

lock the cupboards, the kitchen and can't take him anywhere. He has

craved sugar since he went on the gluten/casien free diet at 31/2 and

also searches and seeks for ordinary food. I sometimes wonder have I

created this obsession. Members of my family think he is hunger and

he is not getting enough but this is not the case.

His daily menu roughly is allowed waffles with bacon,

chicken/burger/salmon and veg quiche/pizza/dinner

allowed bread,muffins,biscuits all from SCD recipes

Chicken pancakes

grape jelly which he is now eating but I think it is sending him wild

and he wants to eat the whole tub at once.

Because he is so desperate I introduce the raisens but again used as

an incentive to drink the soup. I also use the jelly as an incentive.

I can drop the raisens but I don't know what else to give him when he

is climbing the cupboards. This goes on CONSTANTLY.

last week I introduced honey but again he wants to eat the bottle.

Ingredients I am using are almond flour, eggs, organic unsalted

butter, lemon juice, tomato (which I have a question mark over - not

sure if he can handle tomato) garlic, mixed herbs, organic, basil,

sea salt, cocunut unsweetened organic, expensive! pears, cardamon,

olive oil, and allowed meat/ veg honey ( I am very restrictive on the

honey) gelatine -thats about it. So do I start again? What would you

question? and how do I combat this sweet thing - 31/2 years is just

too long???

He is taking fish oil and probiotic also

Thank you so much for your help. I really would love to know if I am

helping or hindering him.

Aileen

Posted

It seems to me that he is not getting enough carbs.

Can you try using fitday.com to determine the number of carbs

he's getting in a day?

I think you need to get some fruit into him without him knowing

that there is any fruit in the item. Things like the cashew butter

muffins, the peanut butter squash brownies, avocado meatloaf,

etc. He needs the carbs for energy.

Post what you figure out using fitday.com so we can help you

more.

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 20 months

Posted

Patti Cian is on a probiotic - he was on customs but a doctor who

totally support SCD recommended a stronger one that has more stains

in it. It is specifically designed for children in mind particular ASD

Jody

did the fitday.com I am not familiar with this so maybe you could

advise

Cals for today 2377 fat145 carb122 Protein 142. I ommitted that Cian

gets avocado . Is there more carbs in cashew butter and peanut butter

squash than almond flour? Cian has loads of energy - it was only in

the first week he was lethargic. Tonight he has way too much!!

Should I start again? as I don't know what he is reacting too yeast

or food items. Also I worry about the amount of eggs in baking etc.

It is unclear whether eggs effect Cian - I would have to remove for a

couple of weeks but what then would I cook with. Are there egg free

recipes or would I resort to meat and veg which again would limit the

carbs.Thanks for helping me with this.

Aileen

>

> It seems to me that he is not getting enough carbs.

>

> Can you try using fitday.com to determine the number of carbs

> he's getting in a day?

>

> I think you need to get some fruit into him without him knowing

> that there is any fruit in the item. Things like the cashew butter

> muffins, the peanut butter squash brownies, avocado meatloaf,

> etc. He needs the carbs for energy.

>

> Post what you figure out using fitday.com so we can help you

> more.

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -8

> SCD 20 months

Posted

Jody he is six and as he refuses most foods it is difficult to get

him to eat. Cian is not motivated to eat. He is not motivated by food

at all unless of course sweet items as I have already mensioned.

Ok the probiotic is bioKult. There strains are in very small print

and it would take me ages to type here but the web site is

www.bio-kult.com

I also have customs probiotic but hadn't started using it before my

consultation with the doctor who recommended this one.

Thanks again for your help . I am really keeping you busy!!

Best

Aileen

>

> For 2377 calories:

>

> 20% protein would be

> 118 g (you listed 142)

>

> 50% carbs would be

> 297 g (you listed 122)

>

> 30% fat would be

> 79g (you listed 145)

>

> Based on what you listed his protein intake is 24%, carb intake

> is 21%, and fat intake is 55%.

>

> So, based on what I see, he is getting far too much fat and not

> nearly enough carbs.

>

> As for the probiotic you mentioned, we cannot recommend

> anything other than L. Acidophilus.

> Can you please tell us what strains are in the product that you

> are giving?

>

> There are egg-free recipes on pecanbread.com if you want to

> use some of them in his meals rather than using all baked

> goods with eggs. That would cut down on his egg intake if that's

> your goal.

>

> Also, I missed how old he is. 2377 is quite a few calories, but it

> depends on his age as to whether it is too many/too few.

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -8

> SCD 20 months

Posted

Patti if Bifidus = Bifidobacterium then there is 4 such strains in

there . I have just posted the web site as I can hardly read this

small box . www.bio-kult.com There are14 different strains in there

and yes I was trying to follow the doctor's advice. Depending on what

you or jody come back with I would like to share the information with

the doctor as if it isn't helping Cian then there is no point in

giving it and I have Customs in the freezer. For the record how much

should I start giving to him if this Bio-kult is a no no. I have

actually questioned this Bio-Kult as Cian would devour the box if I

let him. It has a sweetish taste and the doctor put it down to that.

Thanks for the helpi really want to help Cian through this and I

appreciate everyones support on this site.

Best

Aileen

> Aileen,

> First and foremost, I need to ask you if the probiotic you're using

has bifidus in it? If so, you need to know that quite a few SCD kids

on this list have ended up not doing very well at all due to bifidus.

I'm aware that some of the doctors are recommending other strains,

but Elaine continues to stress " acidophilus only " .... but

especially " no bifidus " . I think it's interesting that when she was

actively participating on our list, she kept warning against the

bifidus over and over...... and yet some of the parents are trying

to follow their doctor's advice at the same time they're trying to

stay SCD legal....... so there were some that used it anyway. Then,

sure enough, we saw one kid after another doing poorly on SCD......

that improved dramatically after removing the bifidus strain. There

are many other new probiotic strains out there...... and Elaine

admits that she doesn't know much about them and doesn't have the

time to research them.... but she did pass along quite a bit of

information on why we should avoid bifidus (which I can find for you

and forward, if you want). She recommends acidophilus only (in

supplements), because she feels this is the safest...... and has

produced the best result with those on SCD over the years.

>

> So......once I see what strains you're using, maybe we can make

further recommendations on the food issues..... but if bifidus is in

the mix, you may not make much progress no matter what changes you

make, food-wise.

>

> Patti, mom to Katera, SCD 17 months

> Re: Yeast /sugar advice and reassurance

please

>

>

> Patti Cian is on a probiotic - he was on customs but a doctor who

> totally support SCD recommended a stronger one that has more

stains

> in it. It is specifically designed for children in mind

particular ASD

>

>

> Aileen

>

>

>

>

Posted

Aileen,

I went to the bio-kult website and yes, indeed...... there are several strains

of bifidus. Definitely could be causing a problem..... but if that weren't

reason enough, it is also in a base of MALTODEXTRIN, which is illegal. If you

are trying to stay 100% on SCD (which is really the only way you'll have a

chance of making it work), you won't be able to give him this product. Do you

have the Custom Probiotics ACIDOPHILUS ONLY? Or does that one have other

strains, too? If it's only acidophilus, there are instructions for how to

introduce it..... SLOWLY.... on the www.pecanbread.com website.

I have to go pick Katera up from school now but will forward the things I have

saved about bifidus.

Patti

Re: Yeast /sugar advice and reassurance please

Patti if Bifidus = Bifidobacterium then there is 4 such strains in

there . I have just posted the web site as I can hardly read this

small box . www.bio-kult.com There are14 different strains in there

and yes I was trying to follow the doctor's advice. Depending on what

you or jody come back with I would like to share the information with

the doctor as if it isn't helping Cian then there is no point in

giving it and I have Customs in the freezer. For the record how much

should I start giving to him if this Bio-kult is a no no. I have

actually questioned this Bio-Kult as Cian would devour the box if I

let him. It has a sweetish taste and the doctor put it down to that.

Thanks for the helpi really want to help Cian through this and I

appreciate everyones support on this site.

Best

Aileen

Posted

--- Thanks Patti for checking it out,yes the customs one has only one

strain. the one recommended. you're going to collect children and I'm

going to bed . I've hogged the board the night but it really has

helped

Thanks from cold dark Northern Ireland

Aileen

In pecanbread , " Patti " <durovchic@c...> wrote:

> Aileen,

> I went to the bio-kult website and yes, indeed...... there are

several strains of bifidus. Definitely could be causing a

problem..... but if that weren't reason enough, it is also in a base

of MALTODEXTRIN, which is illegal. If you are trying to stay 100% on

SCD (which is really the only way you'll have a chance of making it

work), you won't be able to give him this product. Do you have the

Custom Probiotics ACIDOPHILUS ONLY? Or does that one have other

strains, too? If it's only acidophilus, there are instructions for

how to introduce it..... SLOWLY.... on the www.pecanbread.com

website.

>

> I have to go pick Katera up from school now but will forward the

things I have saved about bifidus.

>

> Patti

> Re: Yeast /sugar advice and reassurance

please

>

>

>

>

> Patti if Bifidus = Bifidobacterium then there is 4 such strains

in

> there . I have just posted the web site as I can hardly read this

> small box . www.bio-kult.com There are14 different strains in

there

> and yes I was trying to follow the doctor's advice. Depending on

what

> you or jody come back with I would like to share the information

with

> the doctor as if it isn't helping Cian then there is no point in

> giving it and I have Customs in the freezer. For the record how

much

> should I start giving to him if this Bio-kult is a no no. I have

> actually questioned this Bio-Kult as Cian would devour the box if

I

> let him. It has a sweetish taste and the doctor put it down to

that.

>

> Thanks for the helpi really want to help Cian through this and I

> appreciate everyones support on this site.

> Best

> Aileen

>

>

>

>

Posted

Jody I never used that fit thing before so maybe I didn't mark the

portions right. He is active alright but I'll do the chart again

tomorrow and see what i come up with. I just put in the name of food

e.g waffle then you where to choose what type so I chose the nearest

one and then I ended up with a list, highlighting one portion etc and

the number of cals. Did I do it right. I guess it does sound

contradictory - he is always searching for food but not the food I

want him to eat but he is a good eater when he gets something he

likes like the chicken pancakes - (great for hiding vegs in.) but he

is unpredictable and may choose not to eat them on other days.

Does this make sense?

As i said to Patti there I'm away to bed. will be in touch tomorrow

best Aileen

>

> " he is six and as he refuses most foods it is difficult to get

him

> to eat. Cian is not motivated to eat. He is not motivated by food

at

> all unless of course sweet items as I have already mensioned. "

>

>

> I am VERY confused. The amount of calories that you listed was

> for ONE day, right?

>

> If so, that is probably too many calories for a 6 year old unless

he

> is REALLY big for his age or he is running and constantly

> moving.

>

> The normal calorie intake for a 6 year old would be more along

> the lines of 1500-1800 calories per day.

>

> So, you saying that it is hard to get him to eat vs. the number of

> calories you listed for one day is very confusing.

>

> If you are having to work to get him to eat that amount of food,

I'm

> not surprised since it is about 500-800 calories more than the

> average child his age would eat in a day.

>

> +++++++

> Info from the Bio-Kult webpage:

>

> Bio-Kult contains a scientifically developed formulation of

> fourteen probiotic strains:

>

> Lactobacillus acidophilus

> Lactobacillus Delbrukeii spp. bulgaricus

> Lactobacillus Delbrukeii spp. lactis

> Lactobacillus casei

> Lactobacillus helveticus

> Lactobacillus plantarum

> Lactobacillus rhamnosus

> Lactobacillus salivarius spp. salivarius

> Bifidobacterium breve

> Bifidobacterium bifidum

> Bifidobacterium infantis

> Bifidobacterium longum 

> Streptococcus thermophilus

> Bacillus subtilis

>

> Bio-Kult is grown in a Maltodextrin Base, with a guaranteed

> minimum bacterial count of 10 Billion per gram

> ------

> There are 4 strains of bifidus in this probiotic. Elaine strongly

> cautions against bifidus and several people on this list have had

> problems with any form of bifidus. Plus, the fact that it is

cultured

> in maltodextrin concerns me because maltodextrin is not

> allowed on SCD.

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -8

> SCD 20 months

Posted

I was talking to friend from college the other day who has NT daughter a

couple months older than Bryars and she lamented that her little one

drives her crazy because some weeks she loves green beans, the next week

she won't touch them, and so on and so on. It gave me some much needed

perspective, if you know what I mean. Sometimes I attribute Bryars'

behavior to this or that...and forget he is a kid. 2 year old kid at

that. Anyway, just keep that in mind. It helps me just deal with the ups

and downs of motherhood. LOL

Mom to Bryars

Re: Yeast /sugar advice and reassurance please

Jody I never used that fit thing before so maybe I didn't mark the

portions right. He is active alright but I'll do the chart again

tomorrow and see what i come up with. I just put in the name of food e.g

waffle then you where to choose what type so I chose the nearest one and

then I ended up with a list, highlighting one portion etc and the number

of cals. Did I do it right. I guess it does sound contradictory - he is

always searching for food but not the food I want him to eat but he is a

good eater when he gets something he likes like the chicken pancakes -

(great for hiding vegs in.) but he is unpredictable and may choose not

to eat them on other days.

Does this make sense?

As i said to Patti there I'm away to bed. will be in touch tomorrow best

Aileen

>

> " he is six and as he refuses most foods it is difficult to get

him

> to eat. Cian is not motivated to eat. He is not motivated by food

at

> all unless of course sweet items as I have already mensioned. "

>

>

> I am VERY confused. The amount of calories that you listed was for

> ONE day, right?

>

> If so, that is probably too many calories for a 6 year old unless

he

> is REALLY big for his age or he is running and constantly moving.

>

> The normal calorie intake for a 6 year old would be more along the

> lines of 1500-1800 calories per day.

>

> So, you saying that it is hard to get him to eat vs. the number of

> calories you listed for one day is very confusing.

>

> If you are having to work to get him to eat that amount of food,

I'm

> not surprised since it is about 500-800 calories more than the average

> child his age would eat in a day.

>

> +++++++

> Info from the Bio-Kult webpage:

>

> Bio-Kult contains a scientifically developed formulation of fourteen

> probiotic strains:

>

> Lactobacillus acidophilus

> Lactobacillus Delbrukeii spp. bulgaricus

> Lactobacillus Delbrukeii spp. lactis

> Lactobacillus casei

> Lactobacillus helveticus

> Lactobacillus plantarum

> Lactobacillus rhamnosus

> Lactobacillus salivarius spp. salivarius Bifidobacterium breve

> Bifidobacterium bifidum Bifidobacterium infantis Bifidobacterium

> longum Streptococcus thermophilus Bacillus subtilis

>

> Bio-Kult is grown in a Maltodextrin Base, with a guaranteed minimum

> bacterial count of 10 Billion per gram

> ------

> There are 4 strains of bifidus in this probiotic. Elaine strongly

> cautions against bifidus and several people on this list have had

> problems with any form of bifidus. Plus, the fact that it is

cultured

> in maltodextrin concerns me because maltodextrin is not allowed on

> SCD.

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -8

> SCD 20 months

Posted

I think there's even more here. Often the obsessions come from the opioid

effect on the brain of the peptides that leak through the gut. It's very

common that before dietary treatment these children will self-limit to

starches and dairy (macaroni and cheese) because of the drug-like effect

they get after eating them. If you are using butter, I'd be concerned that

some traces of casein may be getting through. But especially since you said

he's been exhibiting the cravings since you started GF/CF, that makes

complete sense. He wants the " high " that came with a lot of the sugary

foods which were probably wheat-based - in other words, he ate jelly on

bread or syrup on waffles, etc., and the gluten gave him an opioid high.

The sugar tasted good and the starch it sat on gave him the high. Point is,

if he is craving the foods it means he is not getting the high he is seeking

- which means YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT! (Someone more experienced with

SCD might have comments here . . . ?)

Also - the grape jelly -- ??? Jelly usually has sugar sugar and more sugar

added to it . . . ????

I'm with Jody on the calorie count - if it's so hard to get him to eat, I

don't see how he could possibly be consuming over 2000 calories.

It also sounds to me (like I posted to you privately - maybe others can

concur here) that you are way farther down the " stages " list than you should

be at 5 weeks. We are at 6 weeks and still just eating lots of meat with

pureed veggies, applesauce, pearsauce, cooked carrots, scrambled eggs with

veggies and/or chicken added, chicken and veggie pancakes, lots of soups

with different mixes of meats and veggies, and occasional small amounts of

peanut butter cake.

We just started the Kirkman's acidophilus this week, and at the risk of

speaking too soon, Sweet Boy is back. Aileen, you haven't been around to

hear my story, but for the rest of you who might be interested, if you

remember, was on Diflucan (Rx anti yeast) when we started SCD, and 2

weeks into SCD he was unbelievably sweet, happy, and cooperative. Then,

coincidentally, when the course of Diflucan was over, cheated

horribly on the diet, and we had a huge resurgence of yeast. We never quite

got back to the Sweet Boy I had for those few days, but now having started

the acidophilus, I have seen glimpses of him again!!! Yea!! For anyone

who's interested, I mixed one capsule with a cup of applesauce and gave each

of my 3 children 1/3 cup (so hopefully each child got 1/3 of the capsule or

1 billion cells). I skipped a day and gave it again today. Will work up to

one capsule per day, but so far so good!!

Alice

Mama to , Asperger's, SCD 6+ weeks

_____

Aileen,

You said:

<<Cian craves for sugar all day. We have to

lock the cupboards, the kitchen and can't take him anywhere. He has craved

sugar since he went on the gluten/casien free diet at 31/2 and also searches

and seeks for ordinary food. I sometimes wonder have I created this

obsession. >>

In my opinion, what has created this " obsession " is the bad gut

pathogens..... they are DESPERATE to survive at this point and will DRIVE

your child to any and all foods that they think will provide them with fuel.

Posted

Ah ha! Of course. The regional difference in terms didn't occur to me!

Sorry, Aileen!

And the raisins . . . Thanks. Learn somethin' new every day! I just

figured they were in that group of " everything commercially dried. " So much

information . . . so little time . . .

Alice

Mama to , Asperger's, SCD 6+ weeks

_____

From: Patti

Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:08 AM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: Re: Yeast /sugar advice and reassurance please

<<Also - the grape jelly -- ??? Jelly usually has sugar sugar and more

sugar added to it . . . ????>>

Aileen lives in northern Ireland........ and they call our jello (or

similar gelatin deserts) " jelly " ..... as it is called throughout the UK,

elsewhere in Europe.... and in Australia and New Zealand. So, I'm sure she

was referring to the grape gelatin that's used on the intro diet. :) I

think what we call " jelly " , they call " preserves " (not sure :)).

Patti, Katera's mom

Posted

---

Hi everyone

Only getting back now. Yes Patti got it in one - sounds like she is

well traveled. I was refering to the legal grape 'jello'.

We try and keep one side of the kitchen completely free of foods that

could contaminate but we do have an ever ending problem of keeping

Cian's older brother from droping crumbs. He is very very good but

you know there is always the time when he suddenly realises Pokeman

is on and their goes the biscuit with him!

Also we visited a 'ball pool' I don't know what you call them in

American but it is an indoor soft playarea. Anyway I had an

appointment and grandma was left keeping an eye. While I was away 4

birthday parties took place and Grandma had the most aweful time as

food was being served constantly (I didn't realize they did food and

so near the play area. Well watching Cian for her would have been a

complete nightmare and I have no doubt he would have picked up or

grabbed at something so I have printed out all of your emails and

with Elaines book in hand going to start again! Wish me luck ...Also

my 3rd baby is due in 3 weeks so if any of you are at a loose end and

would like to fly over the big pond and do a little spot of baking

for me......!

Seriously thank you so much for all the replies, I'll let you know

how I'm going

Best

Aileen

In pecanbread , " Churchman " <churchwidow@i...>

wrote:

> Ah ha! Of course. The regional difference in terms didn't occur

to me!

> Sorry, Aileen!

>

>

>

> And the raisins . . . Thanks. Learn somethin' new every day! I

just

> figured they were in that group of " everything commercially

dried. " So much

> information . . . so little time . . .

>

>

>

> Alice

>

> Mama to , Asperger's, SCD 6+ weeks

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Patti [mailto:durovchic@c...]

> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:08 AM

> To: pecanbread

> Subject: Re: Re: Yeast /sugar advice and reassurance

please

>

>

>

> <<Also - the grape jelly -- ??? Jelly usually has sugar sugar and

more

> sugar added to it . . . ????>>

>

> Aileen lives in northern Ireland........ and they call our jello

(or

> similar gelatin deserts) " jelly " ..... as it is called throughout

the UK,

> elsewhere in Europe.... and in Australia and New Zealand. So, I'm

sure she

> was referring to the grape gelatin that's used on the intro

diet. :) I

> think what we call " jelly " , they call " preserves " (not sure :)).

>

> Patti, Katera's mom

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Posted

" if any of you are at a loose end and would like to fly over the big

pond and do a little spot of baking for me......! "

Oooh, oooh... I volunteer... of course, you'd have to send the

plane ticket...LOL.

I've never been to Europe and I'd love to come, even if I have to

spend the majority of my time in the kitchen...LOL.

:)

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 21 months

Posted

Me, too! Me, too! I've always wanted to see Ireland ......

..... and Jody and I would love and excuse to meet in person. :) We'd both be

happy to come over and play ...... oops, I mean, COOK! :)

Patti..... who, despite her Celtic heritage, is not at all " well-traveled " ....

just has a number of internet buddies in the UK and " Down Under " . :)

----- Original Message -----

" if any of you are at a loose end and would like to fly over the big

pond and do a little spot of baking for me......! "

Oooh, oooh... I volunteer... of course, you'd have to send the

plane ticket...LOL.

I've never been to Europe and I'd love to come, even if I have to

spend the majority of my time in the kitchen...LOL.

:)

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 21 months

Posted

---

Patti

It will be a 100, 1000 welcomes to you too....

What a bout a SCD convention in Ireland and the whole all of come

I could hardly make any mistakes after that...could I?

.....and if there is anyone in Ireland doing this diet and really this

Iwouldn't mind swapping notes!

Best

Aileen

In pecanbread , " Patti " <durovchic@c...> wrote:

> Me, too! Me, too! I've always wanted to see Ireland ......

> .... and Jody and I would love and excuse to meet in person. :)

We'd both be happy to come over and play ...... oops, I mean,

COOK! :)

>

> Patti..... who, despite her Celtic heritage, is not at all " well-

traveled " .... just has a number of internet buddies in the UK

and " Down Under " . :)

> ----- Original Message -----

> " if any of you are at a loose end and would like to fly over the

big

> pond and do a little spot of baking for me......! "

>

> Oooh, oooh... I volunteer... of course, you'd have to send the

> plane ticket...LOL.

>

> I've never been to Europe and I'd love to come, even if I have to

> spend the majority of my time in the kitchen...LOL.

>

> :)

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -8

> SCD 21 months

>

>

>

>

Posted

Aileen,

I'm so sorry to hear that you've been in the hospital. How much

longer until the baby is due?

At this point, I really wouldn't worry about Cian's diet too much.

You have other things to concentrate on. If you can manage to

keep him eating just cooked foods, including the nuts, then that's

what I'd do.

With others cooking for you, it's pretty hard to do things the way

you'd like. But he won't get worse by feeding him all legal foods

for now.

Once the new baby comes and you are feeling better, you can

start with the intro again and go slower. No problem. We've had

lots of parents who've switched to all legal foods and then later

gone back to do the intro. Starting with the intro is ideal. But of

course, not feeling like a sumo wrestler would be ideal as

well...lol.

Don't stress out. Just get your husband and helpers to feed him

cooked legal foods.

And I'd LOVE to come to Ireland for an SCD conference (or for

any reason for that matter).

:)

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 21 months

Posted

---

Jody I think you're right. I'm still trying to get it perfect and it

makes it so difficult when other people are carrying out the

instructions! I have 2/3 weeks to go but I may be taking in sooner.

I just have to let go and trust something I struggle with when you

are trying to all you can for the little man.

Thanks for the practical advice

Best

Aileen

In pecanbread , " Jody G. " <momtobandj@b...> wrote:

>

> Aileen,

>

> I'm so sorry to hear that you've been in the hospital. How much

> longer until the baby is due?

>

> At this point, I really wouldn't worry about Cian's diet too much.

> You have other things to concentrate on. If you can manage to

> keep him eating just cooked foods, including the nuts, then that's

> what I'd do.

>

> With others cooking for you, it's pretty hard to do things the way

> you'd like. But he won't get worse by feeding him all legal foods

> for now.

>

> Once the new baby comes and you are feeling better, you can

> start with the intro again and go slower. No problem. We've had

> lots of parents who've switched to all legal foods and then later

> gone back to do the intro. Starting with the intro is ideal. But

of

> course, not feeling like a sumo wrestler would be ideal as

> well...lol.

>

> Don't stress out. Just get your husband and helpers to feed him

> cooked legal foods.

>

> And I'd LOVE to come to Ireland for an SCD conference (or for

> any reason for that matter).

>

> :)

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -8

> SCD 21 months

Posted

Aileen – can you post a copy of the stages list from pecanbread,com on the

refrigerator for those helping you? Circle stages 1 and 2 and cross out the

rest.

It’s pretty easy to check the list and do just stage 1 or 2 foods. Just a

thought.

Alice

Mama to , ASD, SCD 7 ½ weeks

---

Jody I think you're right. I'm still trying to get it perfect and it

makes it so difficult when other people are carrying out the

instructions! I have 2/3 weeks to go but I may be taking in sooner.

I just have to let go and trust something I struggle with when you

are trying to all you can for the little man.

Thanks for the practical advice

Best

Aileen

Posted

I think it was you who suggested this before and I have done it

all charted and up on the wall .

Thanks for the thought

Aileen

> Aileen – can you post a copy of the stages list from pecanbread,com

on the

> refrigerator for those helping you? Circle stages 1 and 2 and cross

out the

> rest.

>

>

>

> It's pretty easy to check the list and do just stage 1 or 2 foods.

Just a

> thought.

>

>

>

> Alice

>

> Mama to , ASD, SCD 7 ½ weeks

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---

> Jody I think you're right. I'm still trying to get it perfect and

it

> makes it so difficult when other people are carrying out the

> instructions! I have 2/3 weeks to go but I may be taking in sooner.

> I just have to let go and trust something I struggle with when you

> are trying to all you can for the little man.

> Thanks for the practical advice

> Best

> Aileen

>

>

>

>

>

>

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