Re: (unknown)

February 10, 2000

In a message dated 02/10/2000 10:02:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

pber@... writes:

<< Is it even

remotely possible that someone's milk would never come in? >>

Call me crazy, but is she female? I mean, does she actually have breasts?

I'm with you. That's a load of crap.

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February 10, 2000

.. Is it even

remotely possible that someone's milk would never come in

My best friend never had a drop of milk but it was because she had a breast

reduction and the surgeon did a horrendous job, she l;ooks like she went to a

butcher but that is another story. Any way her OB and a LC confirmed that she

would never be able to breastfeed. She was devastated!!

Kari

February 11, 2000

>

> I just need a quick answer. My hubby's cousin had a baby last month.

His

> sister was talking about how grandma has babysat ten times already! My

> hubby said, " Well, obviously she isn't breastfed. " ( I am so proud of

him!!)

> His sister replied that she couldn't because her milk never came in. I

said

> that is a load of Bulls & *%, but she said they even had a LLL over and she

> said the same thing. Again I said that is BS! Now this weekend we have

to

> go to grandma's and I know this is going to come up again. Is it even

> remotely possible that someone's milk would never come in? I can't

believe

> so, but would just like to have some back up.

>

My cousin tried to pull that one on me, and come to find out she was not

latching the baby correctly, and then gave up becasue she was supplemnting

with bottles of formula so much , and her milk did not come in.

Beckie

February 11, 2000

Pat wrote:

> Is it even remotely possible that someone's milk would never

> come in? I can't believe so, but would just like to have some

> back up.

>

Remotely possible, yes, but not likely. The women who truly are unable

to produce milk usually have a long line of women in the family who also

were unable to produce milk; it's a hereditary trait. It's a glandular

disorder, and breasts aren't formed at all, or not maturely.

Simply, if she had breast changes during her pregnancy, a glandular

disorder isn't probably. If she had breast changes during her

pregnancy, she would have milk in after a few days following the birth

of her baby. It would obviously be in sooner if she had allowed her

baby to suckly colostrum for those few days, but if she didn't, her body

would react as if she had lost her baby and not attempted to produce

milk. If she had *any* engorgement or swelling of her breasts following

birth, her milk " came in " but no supply was created since there was not

enough demand.

For most moms trying to relactate, it takes about as long to

re-establish her milk supply as it has been since she nursed... so in

your hubby's cousin's case, it may take up to a month of effort to

re-establish her supply. That's the bad news, because most moms

aren't that enthusiastic about something that takes that long.

You had a suggestion already for using the SNS, and that's one way to

quickly impact the supply and demand cycle for breastfeeding without

having to interfere with the baby's ability to learn how to suckle the

breast by using bottles.

Retraining her baby how to suckle the breast will be her biggest

obstacle if she is really able to make milk. Eliminating the

competition of other nipples is the best route, but probably one of the

hardest. Cutting back is good, but can still keep a young baby

confused.

If she's really serious about relactating, check Wendi's site

(lactivist.com) for info about that, or ask for more info here -- we'll

give you lots!

March 20, 2000

Pat,

I am not sure what could be causing the patches of dry skin but it could be

eczema which is almost always related to allergies of some sort. Dairy,

soy, nuts, wheat, citrus, strawberries and chocolate are some of the big

food allergies for youngsters.

Wendi

http://www.lactivist.com

breastfeeding info & resources

(unknown)

We spent last week in the big city and we did pretty good considering the

size of the hotel room and the weather outside.

The hotel was very dry and all of our skins suffered, but had

really red cheeks Wednesday night so I talked to a RN and she said that it

sounded like Fifth Disease. The redness has gone down and now she is just a

little pink. I don't know how Samm got it, because she doesn't sit in

shopping carts, or touch anyone when we are out, and she hasn't been around

other kids for a couple of weeks. She seems just fine otherwise. Now she

has little dry patchers of skin all over her legs, almost like little bites,

but they are dry. They seemed to get better with a little lotion, but now

they are spreading to her calves. Any ideas? I ate curry one day and

chinese two days, so maybe it is an allergic reaction? She is still

exclusively breastfed, but not for long!!

Thanx in advance for any help.

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April 28, 2000

I found this on the web.

Description: Azelaic acid is a naturally occurring saturated dicarboxylic

acid with the chemical name of 1,7-heptanedicarboxylic acid and a molecular

weight of

188.22. Azelaic acid is a dietary component of whole grain cereals and

animal products.

Clinical Pharmacology: The exact mechanism of action of azelaic acid is not

known. The

antimicrobial action may be attributable to inhibition of microbial cellular

protein synthesis. Azelaic acid at high concentrations is bactericidal

against

Propionibacterium acnes and Staphylococcus epidermis and possesses

bacteriostatic properties against a variety of aerobic microorganisms,

including

Staphylococcus aureus, Escherichia coli, Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Candida

albicans. In vitro, azelaic acid acted as a scavenger of oxy radicals and

inhibits a variety of oxidoreductive enzymes including 5-alpha reductase,

the enzyme responsible for converting testosterone to DHT. Azelaic acid (0.1

to 3.0

mmol/l) has been shown to produce a competitive concentration dependent

inhibition of 5-alpha reductase activity in homogenates of human foreskin.

Azelaic

acid is being studied for potential antimycotic and antiviral properties.

The multiple actions of azelaic acid cause a normalization of keratinization

and a

decrease in the free fatty acid content of skin surface lipids.

Pharmacodynamics: Following a single application to human skin, 3 to 5% of

the azelaic acid

penetrates into the strateum corneum (up to 10% is present in the dermis and

epidermis). There

is negligible cutaneous metabolism after topical application. Approximately

4% of topically

applied azelaic acid is systemically absorbed and mainly excreted unchanged

in the urine. The

half-life is approximately 12 hours after topical dosing, indicating

percutaneous absorption

rate-limited kinetics. After topical treatment with azelaic acid, plasma

concentration and urinary excretion are not significantly different from

baseline levels.

Contraindications: Azelaic acid solutions or lotions are contraindicated in

individuals who have shown hypersensitivity to any of their components.

Warnings: There have been isolated reports of hypopigmentation after use of

azelaic acid,

although there is no depigmenting effect on normal melanocytes.

Precautions: If sensitivity or severe irritation develops with the use of

Azelaic Acid treatment

should be discontinued. The most common adverse reactions occurring in

approximately 1-5%

of patients were pruritis, burning, stinging and tingling, usually at the

start of treatment and may

last 5 to 20 minutes, especially if the skin is inflamed or broken. The

adverse effects commonly

subside if treatment is continued. Other adverse reactions such as erythema,

dryness, rash,

peeling, irritation and dermatitis were reported in less than 1% of

patients. The following

additional adverse experiences have been rarely reported: worsening of

asthma, vitilago

pigmentation, hypertrichosis and reddening (signs of keratosis pilaris).

Note: azelaic acid will

consistently lighten hyperpigmented skin (skin that is daker than normal for

a given individual)

but will not typically lighten skin beyond its normal color. Rarely,

patients with dark

complexions may notice hypopigmentation of skin. There are no systemic

adverse effects.

Considerations: Azelaic acid is normally found in the human diet and is not

considered to be a

carcinogenic substance. Mutagenicity studies are negative and animal studies

have shown no

adverse effects on fertility or reproduction. Human problems have not been

reported during

pregnancy.

(unknown)

What is azelaic acid? This is an abstract of a paper published last

June. Thanks.

Judi

A comparison of topical azelaic acid 20% cream and topical

metronidazole 0.75% cream in the treatment of patients with

papulopustular rosacea.

Maddin S

Division of Dermatology, University of British Columbia, Vancouver,

Canada.

BACKGROUND: Although it is important for physicians to have

sufficient clinical data on which to base treatment decisions, little

comparative data exist regarding newer treatment modalities for

rosacea. OBJECTIVE: The goal of the study was to compare the efficacy

and safety of topical azelaic acid 20% cream and topical

metronidazole 0.75% cream in the treatment of patients with

papulopustular rosacea. Parameters of patient satisfaction to

treatment were also assessed. METHODS: Forty patients with the

clinical manifestation of symmetric facial rosacea were investigated

in this single-center, double-blind, randomized, contralateral split-

face comparison clinical trial. RESULTS: After 15 weeks of treatment,

both azelaic acid and metronidazole induced significant, albeit equal

reductions in the number of inflammatory lesions (pustules and

papules). A significantly higher physician rating of global

improvement was achieved with azelaic acid. Changes in the rosacea

signs and symptoms of dryness, burning, telangiectasia, and itching

were equal between treatments. A reduction in erythema tended toward

significance with azelaic acid at week 15. A trace amount of stinging

on application was noted with azelaic acid; however, such discomfort

did not appear to concern patients because their overall impression

of azelaic acid was superior to that of metronidazole. CONCLUSION:

Azelaic acid 20% cream provides an effective and safe alternative to

metronidazole 0.75% cream with the added benefit of increased patient

satisfaction.

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April 30, 2000

The vita oil can be smoothed around your newly washed, rinsed wet

face--probably damp face if you have drier skin; after that dries, I

apply a bit of sunscreen, and Rx topical; let dry and apply the zinc-o,

which I find healing, good for reducing blotchiness--I can't use much

oil or sunscreen because if I " apply generously and often " the way the

sunscreen directions state, I break out like crazy! A little bit'll do

me

Carol

Trish wrote:

>

> *Vita Oil and Zinc Cream*

>

> Does anyone know of the regime that was recommended by Dr.Sy when you use

> the vita oil and Zinc cream. I was concerned after reading some of the

> posts, that you should wait an extended time. Can anyone fill " us " in.

>

> ***How many people have seen a great improvement in your skin after using

> these products?

> Why does Zinc work?

>

> Thanks!

> Tricia

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May 4, 2000

In a message dated 5/3/00 8:10:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rozi1@...

writes:

<< I would like to know if the Zinc-cream we are using by Dr. Sy is

potentially

toxic? Does anyone have any concrete information of this subject? The zinc

is working wonderfully! Any comments? >>

It's safe. Completely totally safe. Enjoy.

Zinc supplements in large doses can be toxic.

Esther

May 4, 2000

Please read the message I just posted.

Sy M.D.

Sy Skin Care

http://www.lindasy.com

Voice:Toll-free 877-sy (546-3279)

FAX:

Is the Zinc-Cream some of us are using dangerous?

>

> I would like to know if the Zinc-cream we are using by Dr. Sy is

> potentially

> toxic? Does anyone have any concrete information of this subject? The

zinc

> is working wonderfully! Any comments?

>

> Tricia

> *This is in response to a recent posting in which someone mentioned zinc

to

> be toxic.

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June 13, 2000

Dear real estate person:

Perhaps some of the posts seem lengthy and " unqualified, " but I think that a

lot of us, including myself, are grateful for the time and effort that

people put into sharing information of both their successes and their

struggles. Many of us have tried several routes of treatment, and are eager

or desperate to find alternatives for taking care of our own conditions, and

not to be at the mercy of the few health care professionals who are even

aware of this condition. It may seem trivial and vain to be putting energy

into these posts, but if so, we are all guilty of this, as we have all

subscribed to this list to address this condition, including yourself. And

part of finding a treatment includes finding a cause -- hence the seemingly

" grasping at straws " -- such is the nature of detective work.

If you've found things helpful to you in the past, and are tired of

listening to " unqualified " spouting off's (so to speak), perhaps you could

share your experience, and what seems to have worked for you. Or you could

limit yourself to the more " qualified " people at the national rosacea

association -- not to discredit them, but they do take a more exclusively

western medicine/scientific-research based approach. For myself, the

success of those who are sharing their methods make them more qualified than

any certified, registered, whatevered health professional I've encountered.

By the way, I didn't respond to the sleeping on the left or right cheek

theory, but just for your information, I spent a good 3 weeks enduring a

rash from head to toe because of too much detergent used in one washing.

Just one washing. So, I think people examining things like detergents and

fabrics against their skin is worthy of mention. People did think the world

was flat at one time, and imagine how kooky they thought the people were who

thought it was round. Go figure.

In any event, I hope you reach some kind of resolution with this issue so

that it causes you less stress.

Regards,

Chantal Jolly

(health practitioner who has worked for the past 8 years with brain injured

adults, adults with severe psychiatric conditions, and terminally ill people

-- I don't forget that there are worse things that can happen, but it

doesn't prevent me from trying to take care of the body, mind, and spirit

I've been blessed with in this life. On the contrary, it makes it my

obligation.)

(unknown)

> There was a time when this support group was an absolute God-send,whose

purpose was to disseminate helpful treatment information andemotional

support for rosacea sufferers. To all those who have sokindly helped me in

the past, you have my undying gratitude and love. Lately, however, the

majority of posts have seemed to consist ofridiculous, know-it-all,

unqualified practitioners stating ludicroustheories and hypotheses, people

telling of far-fetched andmeaningless personal histories and experiences

that have absolutelyno bearing on anything, or embarrassingly stupid

theories ( " Do youthink that because I sleep more on my left side than on my

right Icould be exacerbating my rosacea? Please tell me your opinion. " )

Geez! Can we please get back to the intent of this board and stopposting

just so we can see our name(s) in print?! Get a life! Getsome perspective!

Go volunteer at a local children's hospital andsee what true sickness and

illness is all about! See how innocentchildren, no matter how dire their

con

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June 13, 2000

What said!!!!!!!

Noreen

June 13, 2000

In a message dated 6/13/00 8:05:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

chantaljolly@... writes:

<< ves for taking care of our own conditions, and

not to be at the mercy of the few health care professionals who are even

aware of this condition. It may seem trivial and vain to be pu >>

I agree with you! I beleive that if the health care professionals were

interested in helping us we might not have to come to our own stupid

conclusions as the unknown poster has reffered to them because they would be

searching every avenue as we have tried to.

Barb

June 13, 2000

At the risk of being told my post is lame I will proceed anyway! I recently

read the book Joy-Full Holistic Remedies by Georgie Holbrook...she tells of

her experience with rosacea and her path way to full recovery. It is not a

book that deals with lots of physical things you change (diet and such) but

there is some of that...it is more of a spiritual book. Looking inside to

your inner spirit for answers. For me I found it encouraging and since I do

believe in miracles of healing her experience just confirmed to me that

healing of rosacea is possible for all. When this disease first showed it's

awful symptoms I didn't handle things well....my life sorta spiraled down the

drain. Even though derms gave me no hope and only offered drugs to help with

the depression/anxiety (panic attacks) inside a small voice kept saying there

has to be a way out of this. Georgie's book also reflects this same

thing...I truly think that most if not all on this group are hearing that

same thing and you have a never give up attitude! I have benefited from some

of the exercises in the book and would recommend it....she put into words in

the first few chapters exactly what I would have said...just hearing another

express it brought emotional healing to me.

Just wanted to share,

Darlene

Oh, and God Bless each and every one of you....I would have gone insane

without this group 2 years ago.

June 13, 2000

Actually, that's the least useful post I've seen yet. I'm grateful for the

info I've received over the past few weeks, and simply skim over the posts

that don't relate to me, and contribute to those that do. I don't think

anyone has paralleled having rosacea with having, say, leukemia, but it is a

real condition that causes discomfort and grief to a lot of people. I'm

sure no one here would have an " oh well, that's life " attitude regarding

sick children in hospitals. Where did that come from?

If you don't find the posts useful anymore, perhaps you could click on the

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