Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Tater (the original Tater...), Best to your family members, I hope all works out well. While we all agree that we have a tendency to 'eat our young' and vehemently disagree on some things, I am curious as to what exactly the answer is? Where do we start? What miniscule thing can we all agree on, and more importantly, what is it that we can put our collective weight together on? Who is the first to offer a compromise so that we have the appearance of wanting to bring this whole thing together? What can we even compromise on? When I say our collective weight, I do mean it HAS to be collective. Time and time again, we see the same names at the meetings, we see the same faces and hear from the same people over and over again when it comes to getting things done, and it is a very small percentage that accomplishes these things. If anyone thinks that any large organization does not have some level of strife involved, nothing could be further from the truth, but they have the ability to reach compromise, and put forth a face of agreement, and bring the numbers behind them. How do we do that? I am not here to swear by any one organization, but will it be an organization at all? How do we get the field medics involved, what will it take to get them involved? How do we reach them, because it is " them' that we need. How do you get their attention? Those are the numbers we need. Do the field medics even have a concept of what dire straits EMS as a whole is in? How do we get that message to them? Heck, I don't even mind the arguing, as long as it is done while we are both headed in the same direction!!! I don't know anymore, I just don't know where to start. Any ideas? Hatfield FF/EMT-P " Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditiones habes " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Hey ... I hope and pray your family improves. I was in your neck of the woods Saturday. both Taters. I guess I will now weigh in with my ideas. I hope you don't mind but I put my thoughts in among what you wrote. Best to y'all. Tom PS Mike Hatfield. If you have my phone number (817)236-1839. You need to call me one evening to chat. >>While we all agree that we have a tendency to 'eat our young' and vehemently disagree on some things, I am curious as to what exactly the answer is? Answer is Unity As you and several others have all ready pointed out. >>Where do we start? As you pointed out later. Its with the field medics. >>What minuscule thing can we all agree on, and more importantly, what is it that we can put our collective weight together on? A stand alone EMS board. Self governing board will lend credence to the EMS profession as a whole. It is not the end all be all. But its a start. >>Who is the first to offer a compromise so that we have the appearance of wanting to bring this whole thing together? Me. I will start. I see this as being the starting point. What idea must I give up to have you stand with me? How can I help you along in your career? >>What can we even compromise on? Tell me what areas are important to you. (Ahh, this takes communication) >>When I say our collective weight, I do mean it HAS to be collective. Time and time again, we see the same names at the meetings, we see the same faces and hear from the same people over and over again when it comes to getting things done, and it is a very small percentage that accomplishes these things. Now it is time for those recurring faces to be back in their area talking to the field medics. How many times a day do you bump into other Paramedics/EM T's? Have you asked them? Do you visit with them regarding improvement of EMS? Do you take notes? (Mental or physical) Have you brought those ideas back with you? >>If anyone thinks that any large organization does not have some level of strife involved, nothing could be further from the truth, but they have the ability to reach compromise, and put forth a face of agreement, and bring the numbers behind them. How do we do that? We fight among ourselves at our closed to the public meetings. We come to a consensus then stand publicly together. I can express that at the fire station and at EMS stations, I have had my disagreements in house. Even to point of shouting matches. However, no one in the public was ever aware of our disagreements. They saw us as a team, working together. Do you have a brother. I do. I have fought with him many times. But he's still my brother. I still stand with him and by him even though I disagree. And he with me. That's called loyalty and unity. When we fight, its just us. When someone intervenes. We become united. >>I am not here to swear by any one organization, but will it be an organization at all? Yes, It has to be an organization. Or how else is there unity. >>How do we get the field medics involved, what will it take to get them involved? How do we reach them, because it is " them' that we need. How do you get their attention? Those are the numbers we need. To get the field medics involved, it has to become a local organization. They do not have the money to drive to Austin from El Paso, Or Houston. There for they need a way to voice locally their concerns. Then a local rep comes to the Austin meetings to represent his area. To get these guys involved it takes communication. It takes time to visit. and I mean visit one on one with these guys. Ask them what they think. They have ideas. They have things that are important to them. And they will verbalize them if you give them a chance. >>Do the field medics even have a concept of what dire straits EMS as a whole is in? How do we get that message to them? They know. They probably have a better idea than what most of us do. They see it daily in their paychecks, and uncertainty of their jobs. They know. Mike, and Others. I dream of us being unified. I do see someday of EMS having a hand on what prehospital medicine is all about. I see Paramedics making a difference in research, in discovery, in a child's life. I dream that a paramedic will actually tell a child.. " This is a great career to go into. " When a field medic can stand by his truck with pride and say This field has touched me as much or more than I ever dreamed. Then EMS will be headed down the right road. I dream that burned out paramedics will be after 30 years. Not 3 to 5 years. I have many dreams for EMS. I have many hopes. These are my ideas. My dreams. My hopes. Do not hold anyone but me to my opinions, for I have formed them in my own little noggin. LeNeveu Paramedic and Dreamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Hey Tom, not to sound corny, but YOU ROCK! The medic who agrees with Tom In a message dated 7/18/2005 1:30:41 PM Central Standard Time, FireMedic1633@... writes: Hey ... I hope and pray your family improves. I was in your neck of the woods Saturday. both Taters. I guess I will now weigh in with my ideas. I hope you don't mind but I put my thoughts in among what you wrote. Best to y'all. Tom PS Mike Hatfield. If you have my phone number (817)236-1839. You need to call me one evening to chat. >>While we all agree that we have a tendency to 'eat our young' and vehemently disagree on some things, I am curious as to what exactly the answer is? Answer is Unity As you and several others have all ready pointed out. >>Where do we start? As you pointed out later. Its with the field medics. >>What minuscule thing can we all agree on, and more importantly, what is it that we can put our collective weight together on? A stand alone EMS board. Self governing board will lend credence to the EMS profession as a whole. It is not the end all be all. But its a start. >>Who is the first to offer a compromise so that we have the appearance of wanting to bring this whole thing together? Me. I will start. I see this as being the starting point. What idea must I give up to have you stand with me? How can I help you along in your career? >>What can we even compromise on? Tell me what areas are important to you. (Ahh, this takes communication) >>When I say our collective weight, I do mean it HAS to be collective. Time and time again, we see the same names at the meetings, we see the same faces and hear from the same people over and over again when it comes to getting things done, and it is a very small percentage that accomplishes these things. Now it is time for those recurring faces to be back in their area talking to the field medics. How many times a day do you bump into other Paramedics/EM T's? Have you asked them? Do you visit with them regarding improvement of EMS? Do you take notes? (Mental or physical) Have you brought those ideas back with you? >>If anyone thinks that any large organization does not have some level of strife involved, nothing could be further from the truth, but they have the ability to reach compromise, and put forth a face of agreement, and bring the numbers behind them. How do we do that? We fight among ourselves at our closed to the public meetings. We come to a consensus then stand publicly together. I can express that at the fire station and at EMS stations, I have had my disagreements in house. Even to point of shouting matches. However, no one in the public was ever aware of our disagreements. They saw us as a team, working together. Do you have a brother. I do. I have fought with him many times. But he's still my brother. I still stand with him and by him even though I disagree. And he with me. That's called loyalty and unity. When we fight, its just us. When someone intervenes. We become united. >>I am not here to swear by any one organization, but will it be an organization at all? Yes, It has to be an organization. Or how else is there unity. >>How do we get the field medics involved, what will it take to get them involved? How do we reach them, because it is " them' that we need. How do you get their attention? Those are the numbers we need. To get the field medics involved, it has to become a local organization. They do not have the money to drive to Austin from El Paso, Or Houston. There for they need a way to voice locally their concerns. Then a local rep comes to the Austin meetings to represent his area. To get these guys involved it takes communication. It takes time to visit. and I mean visit one on one with these guys. Ask them what they think. They have ideas. They have things that are important to them. And they will verbalize them if you give them a chance. >>Do the field medics even have a concept of what dire straits EMS as a whole is in? How do we get that message to them? They know. They probably have a better idea than what most of us do. They see it daily in their paychecks, and uncertainty of their jobs. They know. Mike, and Others. I dream of us being unified. I do see someday of EMS having a hand on what prehospital medicine is all about. I see Paramedics making a difference in research, in discovery, in a child's life. I dream that a paramedic will actually tell a child.. " This is a great career to go into. " When a field medic can stand by his truck with pride and say This field has touched me as much or more than I ever dreamed. Then EMS will be headed down the right road. I dream that burned out paramedics will be after 30 years. Not 3 to 5 years. I have many dreams for EMS. I have many hopes. These are my ideas. My dreams. My hopes. Do not hold anyone but me to my opinions, for I have formed them in my own little noggin. LeNeveu Paramedic and Dreamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Tom et al, I agree with all that has been said particularly the UNITY part but I ask you this question... How is it that a state like Wisconsin has over 6,000 members in its EMS association and Texas has what it has? What's different in WI over TX?\ If an ORGINIZATION is the answer and I believe that it is EMSAT is already established and while it has its problems and issues imagine what it could do with 6,000 members?????????? So again what is different in WI versus TX and no it's not that WI people are any better or TX folks any worse. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hatfield@... writes: It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What county/city/service do we start with? I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps a starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? Something like that right? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Good and positive thoughts, Tom. If I am not mistaken, EMSAT discussed setting up local chapters before so that their would be continuity between the groups as well as more local access. I think the issue was having membership that were willing to be a part of that and help set it all up and make sure it happens. I am still all for something like this; we just need folks who are willing to become members of ONE organization and then are willing to be active and help set up and run the local chapters (or whatever you want to call it). And again, whether that venue be EMSAT or Joe's Bar and Grill EMS Group makes very little difference to me personally, but I think we have to start somewhere. I received a private e-mail where it was stated that folks are still hung up on " so what's in it for me????? " I think we as a group have to shift into the mindset of " what's in it for EMS as an industry? " and " what's in it to benefit EMS folks and the communities that they serve? " It is human nature to not want to get involved in something unless you can personally benefit, but we have to fight the selfish voices we hear in our heads and start looking at the overall picture and state of affairs. I think when we do that, we WILL see some personal benefits as well because many of the issues that we need to work out as a group involve things like being recognized and treated as professionals, salaries and work conditions, safety issues, continuing education and initial training issues, money for those things, etc. Sometimes we forget that to get what we WANT for ourselves individually, we have to work toward those SAME things for the entire group. Just my thoughts... Jane Hill -------------- Original message from lisawhir@...: -------------- Hey Tom, not to sound corny, but YOU ROCK! The medic who agrees with Tom In a message dated 7/18/2005 1:30:41 PM Central Standard Time, FireMedic1633@... writes: Hey ... I hope and pray your family improves. I was in your neck of the woods Saturday. both Taters. I guess I will now weigh in with my ideas. I hope you don't mind but I put my thoughts in among what you wrote. Best to y'all. Tom PS Mike Hatfield. If you have my phone number (817)236-1839. You need to call me one evening to chat. >>While we all agree that we have a tendency to 'eat our young' and vehemently disagree on some things, I am curious as to what exactly the answer is? Answer is Unity As you and several others have all ready pointed out. >>Where do we start? As you pointed out later. Its with the field medics. >>What minuscule thing can we all agree on, and more importantly, what is it that we can put our collective weight together on? A stand alone EMS board. Self governing board will lend credence to the EMS profession as a whole. It is not the end all be all. But its a start. >>Who is the first to offer a compromise so that we have the appearance of wanting to bring this whole thing together? Me. I will start. I see this as being the starting point. What idea must I give up to have you stand with me? How can I help you along in your career? >>What can we even compromise on? Tell me what areas are important to you. (Ahh, this takes communication) >>When I say our collective weight, I do mean it HAS to be collective. Time and time again, we see the same names at the meetings, we see the same faces and hear from the same people over and over again when it comes to getting things done, and it is a very small percentage that accomplishes these things. Now it is time for those recurring faces to be back in their area talking to the field medics. How many times a day do you bump into other Paramedics/EM T's? Have you asked them? Do you visit with them regarding improvement of EMS? Do you take notes? (Mental or physical) Have you brought those ideas back with you? >>If anyone thinks that any large organization does not have some level of strife involved, nothing could be further from the truth, but they have the ability to reach compromise, and put forth a face of agreement, and bring the numbers behind them. How do we do that? We fight among ourselves at our closed to the public meetings. We come to a consensus then stand publicly together. I can express that at the fire station and at EMS stations, I have had my disagreements in house. Even to point of shouting matches. However, no one in the public was ever aware of our disagreements. They saw us as a team, working together. Do you have a brother. I do. I have fought with him many times. But he's still my brother. I still stand with him and by him even though I disagree. And he with me. That's called loyalty and unity. When we fight, its just us. When someone intervenes. We become united. >>I am not here to swear by any one organization, but will it be an organization at all? Yes, It has to be an organization. Or how else is there unity. >>How do we get the field medics involved, what will it take to get them involved? How do we reach them, because it is " them' that we need. How do you get their attention? Those are the numbers we need. To get the field medics involved, it has to become a local organization. They do not have the money to drive to Austin from El Paso, Or Houston. There for they need a way to voice locally their concerns. Then a local rep comes to the Austin meetings to represent his area. To get these guys involved it takes communication. It takes time to visit. and I mean visit one on one with these guys. Ask them what they think. They have ideas. They have things that are important to them. And they will verbalize them if you give them a chance. >>Do the field medics even have a concept of what dire straits EMS as a whole is in? How do we get that message to them? They know. They probably have a better idea than what most of us do. They see it daily in their paychecks, and uncertainty of their jobs. They know. Mike, and Others. I dream of us being unified. I do see someday of EMS having a hand on what prehospital medicine is all about. I see Paramedics making a difference in research, in discovery, in a child's life. I dream that a paramedic will actually tell a child.. " This is a great career to go into. " When a field medic can stand by his truck with pride and say This field has touched me as much or more than I ever dreamed. Then EMS will be headed down the right road. I dream that burned out paramedics will be after 30 years. Not 3 to 5 years. I have many dreams for EMS. I have many hopes. These are my ideas. My dreams. My hopes. Do not hold anyone but me to my opinions, for I have formed them in my own little noggin. LeNeveu Paramedic and Dreamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Very good question, Louis. What IS different? Is it that we are more in an infant state in regards to the question of organizing ourselves? Is it that there is more apathy in general in EMS in Texas? Or is it that the word has not gotten out to the EMS masses and, if that is the case, how do we do that? (I know lightening is going to strike when I make this next analogy, but here goes.) Christianity didn't start as an organized movement. For that matter, many religions didn't. They started as small groups of individuals who, using word of mouth and personal invitations, convinced those around them to come and get involved. Then those people got two people, and those people got two people (I think I just fell into a commercial from the past, didn't I?). The point is that a grassroots movement has to start with individuals who are willing to keep pressing forward for change and for organization and who are willing to keep harping on those around them to become involved. I used to be the WORST one about wanting to get involved in ANYTHING that smacked of politics, etc. Then Gene Gandy came along and suckered me in, and the rest is history. (BTW, I still owe you one for that Gene, and it won't be pretty.) The point is, each person on this list has an opportunity to be a part of a solution for our industry that ultimately leads to becoming an organized group as a whole - all 55,000 of us as the case may be. Whether you are on one side of the fence or the other on any issue, I think MOST of us can agree that we need to develop organization and become a voice to be heard by our legislators, governments and communities. So why don't we all take out a personal stake in this to try to get ourselves more involved in getting that voice together and making it a point to get those of us who work in EMS around us involved. Be a pain in the tush until they have to participate to make you shut up if that is what it takes (that's what Gene did to ME), but be a proponent for unity. Like Louis said, heck, if even SIX THOUSAND of us stood on common ground, we would be a force that legislators and others would have to reckon with and we would be able to start promoting positive changes for our industry. OK, that's all I have to say. I'm tired. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from lnmolino@...: -------------- Tom et al, I agree with all that has been said particularly the UNITY part but I ask you this question... How is it that a state like Wisconsin has over 6,000 members in its EMS association and Texas has what it has? What's different in WI over TX?\ If an ORGINIZATION is the answer and I believe that it is EMSAT is already established and while it has its problems and issues imagine what it could do with 6,000 members?????????? So again what is different in WI versus TX and no it's not that WI people are any better or TX folks any worse. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Tom, I picked this one part out of your email, not because I disagree, but because I want to know what we can do about it. It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What county/city/service do we start with? Everything else in your email is on the money. P.S. I am on primary tonight, so if I don't call tonight, I will call tomorrow... Mike Hatfield FF/EMT-P " Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditiones habes " >>Answer is Unity As you and several others have all >>ready pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Why not contact the EMS association in WI and ask them how they accomplished what they have. Lets face it, they probably had the same problems in the beginning as we have today. Mike Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? > > > In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hatfield@... writes: > > It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we > get > it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to > each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that > responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What > county/city/service do we start with? > > > > I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps > a > starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? > Something > like that right? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (IFW Office) > (Cell Phone) > (IFW Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain > by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 I know them well. They have 3 full-time employees with an annual payroll over $200,000. Their secret is: 1. They are highly visible. 2. They encourage squad membership. 3. They publish a quality magazine 6 times a year. 4. They host one of the biggest conferences in EMS. 5. They host an annual EMS continuing education cruise. 6. They have several large corporate sponsors. 7. The provide an up to date " hot sheet " by FAX or email when something affects Wisconsin EMS. 8. They have an influence in state politics and the state EMS commission. 9. They offer their members a lot for their membership dollar. 10. They are accountable. 11. It is seen by EMS providers as a credible organization and not a good old boy system like NAEMT. 12. They are not a part of NAEMT. 13. They have a full time Executive Director (at a salary of $70,000/year). 14. Office space is donated by one of the corporate sponsors. 15. They have the infrastructure to support their work (computers, blast email systems, desk top publishing). There are many more--the secret is corporate sponsorship and squad memberships. BEB Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? Why not contact the EMS association in WI and ask them how they accomplished what they have. Lets face it, they probably had the same problems in the beginning as we have today. Mike Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? > > > In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hatfield@... writes: > > It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we > get > it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to > each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that > responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What > county/city/service do we start with? > > > > I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps > a > starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? > Something > like that right? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (IFW Office) > (Cell Phone) > (IFW Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain > by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 I guess the biggest thing is they sought numbers (members first) and then power and influence. The earlier history of EMSAT is that they sought power and influence before they had numbers and were thus seen as a Chihuahua is a land of Dobermans. The current management of EMSAT has worked hard to make the organization effective and have made significant progress and I support them 100%. I am and have been an EMSAT member although I cannot vote because I am not a registered EMS provider anymore. BEB Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? Why not contact the EMS association in WI and ask them how they accomplished what they have. Lets face it, they probably had the same problems in the beginning as we have today. Mike Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? > > > In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hatfield@... writes: > > It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how > we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we > need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will > take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we > start? What county/city/service do we start with? > > > > I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. > Perhaps a starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's > what? 11? > Something > like that right? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (IFW Office) > (Cell Phone) > (IFW Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author > and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person > or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or > associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. > Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may > contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is > strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 NO WAY! REALLY? Bledsoe wrote:I know them well. They have 3 full-time employees with an annual payroll over $200,000. Their secret is: 1. They are highly visible. 2. They encourage squad membership. 3. They publish a quality magazine 6 times a year. 4. They host one of the biggest conferences in EMS. 5. They host an annual EMS continuing education cruise. 6. They have several large corporate sponsors. 7. The provide an up to date " hot sheet " by FAX or email when something affects Wisconsin EMS. 8. They have an influence in state politics and the state EMS commission. 9. They offer their members a lot for their membership dollar. 10. They are accountable. 11. It is seen by EMS providers as a credible organization and not a good old boy system like NAEMT. 12. They are not a part of NAEMT. 13. They have a full time Executive Director (at a salary of $70,000/year). 14. Office space is donated by one of the corporate sponsors. 15. They have the infrastructure to support their work (computers, blast email systems, desk top publishing). There are many more--the secret is corporate sponsorship and squad memberships. BEB Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? Why not contact the EMS association in WI and ask them how they accomplished what they have. Lets face it, they probably had the same problems in the beginning as we have today. Mike Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? > > > In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hatfield@... writes: > > It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we > get > it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to > each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that > responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What > county/city/service do we start with? > > > > I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps > a > starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? > Something > like that right? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (IFW Office) > (Cell Phone) > (IFW Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain > by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 See their web site: http://www.wisconsinems.com/ Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? Why not contact the EMS association in WI and ask them how they accomplished what they have. Lets face it, they probably had the same problems in the beginning as we have today. Mike Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? > > > In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hatfield@... writes: > > It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how > we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we > need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will > take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we > start? What county/city/service do we start with? > > > > I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. > Perhaps a starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's > what? 11? > Something > like that right? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (IFW Office) > (Cell Phone) > (IFW Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author > and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person > or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or > associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. > Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may > contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is > strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 I'll wade my two cents worth in here also. Not only does Wisconsin have a very proactive EMS association, so do a lot of other states. The problem starts with membership and getting your voice heard. Sitting back and hoping others will do it for you, and then griping because they haven't, is not a solution. Whether it is EMSAT, or not, be a voice to be heard when it comes to where the association needs to direct an issue. For those that grumble about EMSAT, the solution is not to grumble if you didn't participate to have your voice heard, but to get in there and as a member, make changes if you feel it is needed. Remember too, that no association can take on every single issue all at once.....priorities for what issue is the most important to try doing things about, for the good of everyone, needs to start and then add issues as the old ones get resolved. There is power in numbers and voices. You are never going to get everything you specifically want, but if you feel strongly about something, keep bringing it up. Maybe you will have to compromise, maybe not. We didn't like everything the Negotiated Rule Making Committee in Washington finally got, but we DID get a good bit of what EMS asked for. (and by the way, EMS is the ONLY Healthcare industry in recent years, that got to sit at a table with Washington and CMS and negotiate for what we needed). Now they keep going back to the table to fight another day to get what we didn't get.... sometimes they win, sometimes they don't. But, it's progress.....in little steps. Daphne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 That's a start. Now, who all plans to participate if it is available? Who would be willing to join and come to the meetings if held in their respective sections of the state? Who would be willing to spearhead those meetings and then come to the main meetings to represent their areas? Heck, I am sure even the main meetings could be moved around each time across the state if someone was willing to help sponsor that when you want it to come to your area. Now, that having been said, I am not speaking FOR EMSAT. I am only trying to open the topic of conversation to gauge what folks out there want and what the EMS community considers might work for THEM. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from lnmolino@...: -------------- In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hatfield@... writes: It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What county/city/service do we start with? I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps a starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? Something like that right? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 That is also a very valid point. Mike, would you be willing to contact them and ask a few questions and then maybe bring that information either back here or even to an EMSAT meeting? Jane --------- Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? > > > In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hatfield@... writes: > > It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we > get > it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to > each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that > responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What > county/city/service do we start with? > > > > I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps > a > starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? > Something > like that right? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (IFW Office) > (Cell Phone) > (IFW Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain > by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Howdy, Dr. B. So how did they initially set all this up though to get it all started because there is a lot of money there needed to launch what they have up there. I am sure they had to take baby steps first and then something obviously worked to get the attention and support of EMS folks in their state. How did they do it? Jane Hill --------- Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? > > > In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hatfield@... writes: > > It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we > get > it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to > each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that > responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What > county/city/service do we start with? > > > > I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps > a > starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? > Something > like that right? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (IFW Office) > (Cell Phone) > (IFW Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain > by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Thank you, Dr. B. We are trying and I think we all want it to work. But we need LOTS of help, support, and fresh voices to make it happen. I am not a bylaws person usually and I haven't looked at them before I say this, but I wonder if our bylaws allow a non-voting member to serve on the Board? Hmmmmmm....... May have to look that one up. LOL You area valuable leader in Texas, and we could SURE use your help to pull our EMS voices together. BTW, hope to see you soon. Jane Hill --------- Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? > > > In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hatfield@... writes: > > It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how > we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we > need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will > take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we > start? What county/city/service do we start with? > > > > I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. > Perhaps a starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's > what? 11? > Something > like that right? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (IFW Office) > (Cell Phone) > (IFW Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author > and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person > or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or > associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. > Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may > contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is > strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Ok Mike, Here I go to tackle that issue. Look below. I picked this one part out of your email, not because I disagree, but because I want to know what we can do about it. >>It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? First realize that we need to unify. No realization no crystilazation. >>Do we need to go to each and every field medic? Yes each and every one. It starts with me and you. You talk first to your partner. Then to the guys who relieve you. Then to the guys you relieve. Then Talk to the paramedics that you bump into at the hospital droping off. Talk to the medics you meet at conference. etc. Each of them does the same thing. Before long everyone hears about unity. >>If so, how many of us will take that responsibility? I will take it. I will talk to the guys I meet at the hospital and on the street. Will you? >>Who is going to start it all? I think I just started it. >>Where do we start? Right where you are Mike. Meet them right there. >>What county/city/service do we start with? The paramedic who is standing right in front of you. The EMT student sitting in the box on the way to burger king. That is where you start. Mike, I am on call tonight and tomorrow night but I am hoping you call me soon. Your friend Tom LeNeveu Be Safe Out There www.eaglemountainfire.org www.temsf.org www.emstock.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 I will. I am ready for change. I want to see the dreams come alive. I want to believe that EMS has a brillant future. And I will chase that dream. Tom --- je.hill@... wrote: --------------------------------- That's a start. Now, who all plans to participate if it is available? Who would be willing to join and come to the meetings if held in their respective sections of the state? Who would be willing to spearhead those meetings and then come to the main meetings to represent their areas? Heck, I am sure even the main meetings could be moved around each time across the state if someone was willing to help sponsor that when you want it to come to your area. Now, that having been said, I am not speaking FOR EMSAT. I am only trying to open the topic of conversation to gauge what folks out there want and what the EMS community considers might work for THEM. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from lnmolino@...: -------------- In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hatfield@... writes: It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What county/city/service do we start with? I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps a starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? Something like that right? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Wow, what a great website they have. Looking at their stuff I see why they are popular but they had to have started somewhere. Where did the initial capital come from? The problem is that it TAKES those full time people to make something like that happen and continue, and that takes lots of money. So how did they do it? Unfortunately, EMSAT has only volunteer board members to run it, a very low paid part time coordinator who basically makes enough money to justify about 5 to 8 hours of work a week, and a very low paid lobbyist to keep his ear to the ground for issues that will affect our industry. The Board members all have full time jobs and don't even get any money at all to help offset expenses for fuel, hotels or anything for the meetings or anything else that needs to be done. So how do we get things off the ground initially? I think Dr. Bledsoe's observations were pretty correct, but how should it be fixed now so that the association (if that is what we want) can grow and become what we as an EMS community want - something similar to Wisconsin and other states? I firmly believe if we can find a way to get it there, then it CAN become one of our venues for unified strength - an organization that represents us and that fights for us and that provides us with avenues to give the members opportunities in return - things to make THEIR time and money worthwhile too. But it has to start somewhere - where is that? Jane Hill --------- Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? > > > In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hatfield@... writes: > > It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how > we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we > need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will > take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we > start? What county/city/service do we start with? > > > > I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. > Perhaps a starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's > what? 11? > Something > like that right? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (IFW Office) > (Cell Phone) > (IFW Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author > and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person > or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or > associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. > Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may > contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is > strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Terrific, Tom!!!!! Thank you for your positive comments and interaction on this. Now we just need to go about gauging the rest of the crowd. Who else wants something like this and would be willing to help make it happen? Also, Tom, refresh my memory - what section of the state are you in? (I am getting old and the memory fails me.) Jane Hill -------------- Original message from Tom : -------------- I will. I am ready for change. I want to see the dreams come alive. I want to believe that EMS has a brillant future. And I will chase that dream. Tom --- je.hill@... wrote: --------------------------------- That's a start. Now, who all plans to participate if it is available? Who would be willing to join and come to the meetings if held in their respective sections of the state? Who would be willing to spearhead those meetings and then come to the main meetings to represent their areas? Heck, I am sure even the main meetings could be moved around each time across the state if someone was willing to help sponsor that when you want it to come to your area. Now, that having been said, I am not speaking FOR EMSAT. I am only trying to open the topic of conversation to gauge what folks out there want and what the EMS community considers might work for THEM. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from lnmolino@...: -------------- In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hatfield@... writes: It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What county/city/service do we start with? I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps a starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? Something like that right? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 I am in the Fort Worth area. Heck even been to your neck of the woods recently. Tom --- je.hill@... wrote: --------------------------------- Terrific, Tom!!!!! Thank you for your positive comments and interaction on this. Now we just need to go about gauging the rest of the crowd. Who else wants something like this and would be willing to help make it happen? Also, Tom, refresh my memory - what section of the state are you in? (I am getting old and the memory fails me.) Jane Hill -------------- Original message from Tom : -------------- I will. I am ready for change. I want to see the dreams come alive. I want to believe that EMS has a brillant future. And I will chase that dream. Tom --- je.hill@... wrote: --------------------------------- That's a start. Now, who all plans to participate if it is available? Who would be willing to join and come to the meetings if held in their respective sections of the state? Who would be willing to spearhead those meetings and then come to the main meetings to represent their areas? Heck, I am sure even the main meetings could be moved around each time across the state if someone was willing to help sponsor that when you want it to come to your area. Now, that having been said, I am not speaking FOR EMSAT. I am only trying to open the topic of conversation to gauge what folks out there want and what the EMS community considers might work for THEM. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from lnmolino@...: -------------- In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hatfield@... writes: It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What county/city/service do we start with? I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps a starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? Something like that right? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Contact: Don Hunjadi Executive Director WEMSA (Direct Line) Tell him I gave you his name. BEB Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? That is also a very valid point. Mike, would you be willing to contact them and ask a few questions and then maybe bring that information either back here or even to an EMSAT meeting? Jane --------- Re: EMS has a terminal illness.. or does it? > > > In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hatfield@... writes: > > It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we > get > it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to > each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that > responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What > county/city/service do we start with? > > > > I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps > a > starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? > Something > like that right? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (IFW Office) > (Cell Phone) > (IFW Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain > by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 That's what I thought but I wanted to make sure. Ok folks, more bites? jane -------------- Original message from Tom : -------------- I am in the Fort Worth area. Heck even been to your neck of the woods recently. Tom --- je.hill@... wrote: --------------------------------- Terrific, Tom!!!!! Thank you for your positive comments and interaction on this. Now we just need to go about gauging the rest of the crowd. Who else wants something like this and would be willing to help make it happen? Also, Tom, refresh my memory - what section of the state are you in? (I am getting old and the memory fails me.) Jane Hill -------------- Original message from Tom : -------------- I will. I am ready for change. I want to see the dreams come alive. I want to believe that EMS has a brillant future. And I will chase that dream. Tom --- je.hill@... wrote: --------------------------------- That's a start. Now, who all plans to participate if it is available? Who would be willing to join and come to the meetings if held in their respective sections of the state? Who would be willing to spearhead those meetings and then come to the main meetings to represent their areas? Heck, I am sure even the main meetings could be moved around each time across the state if someone was willing to help sponsor that when you want it to come to your area. Now, that having been said, I am not speaking FOR EMSAT. I am only trying to open the topic of conversation to gauge what folks out there want and what the EMS community considers might work for THEM. Jane Hill -------------- Original message from lnmolino@...: -------------- In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hatfield@... writes: It's easy to say we need unity, and we do. Begs the question of how we get it, how do we become (as Louis said) like Wisconsin? Do we need to go to each and every field medic? If so, how many of us will take that responsibility? Who is going to start it all? Where do we start? What county/city/service do we start with? I do like the idea of EMSAT having " chapters " as Jane mentioned. Perhaps a starting place is to align them with TDHS Regions? That's what? 11? Something like that right? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (IFW Office) (Cell Phone) (IFW Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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