Help

[Guest guest]

I woulg gladly donate $50.00 as well to help out J, as my surgery was covered, after I sent in a 26 pg report on my blood work, and reports to my insurance. (The only thing not covered is a lift) I was lucky, most others are not. Where does J live, and how do we help?

[Guest guest]

I know that Dr. Huang used to set up payment plans for people when insr didn't cover the procedure. It was not a loan, either, it was simply a payment plan---you agreed to pay a certain amt per month. Whether she continues to do this or not, I'm not sure. But since this woman's health is clearly at stake, and it is medically necessary, backed up with a letter from the referring doctor, I would encourage her to call Dr. Huang. I can also get in touch with Dr. Huang and describe the situation to her. Again, I'm not sure if she still does the payment plans, or accepts MC/medicaid, but it's worth checking. Going to a ps that is knowledgeable about the silicone illnesses is most impt, because they know that this consitutes medically necessary. My explant was done under these conditions. My insr dragged their feet, but when Dr. Huang and my rheumy sent them letters explaining that I was having a horrible reaction to the implants, and the longer they waited, the more money they would be paying, they approved the surgery immediately. Had it not been for the insr issue, Dr. Huang would have been able to do my explant within 1 wk. Let me know if I should get in touch with her. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:44 AM Kathi Cc: Subject: HELP Dear friends, I am writing to all the ladies in my address book that I can think of who might be able to help if we all put our heads together on how to get poor J explanted. She does not require any extra surgery other than a complete explant of her disintegrating meme implants. Her health is completely failing here, she is only 34 years old, completely disabled and on Medicare and Medicaid. I for one don't know much about these types of insurances only that no one wants to touch this poor lady and I am concerned her situation could turn even possible fatal. Please ladies is there someone out there that would be willing to take on this case? There has to be someone who can help this poor lady. I just cannot believe that there is not one PS out there willing to waive a fee to save a life. Is it really all just about $$$. I understand that this will be a particularly tough case and that it will be time consuming, but good lord in heaven there has got to be some kind of caring compassionate Dr who would and could make some sort of exception to this isn't there? Or am I living in la la fantasy land. I realize that this is probably not the only lady out there in desperate need and that many ps's may feel if they help her they would be inundated with calls from others expecting the same treatment and that this would not be possible. I mean all of us of course went through a hard time finding money. The point is I am concerned that this lady is going to get so sick that she may die from this. Is there something we can do? Is there a way we could set up a trust and donate to it, a way of knowing that this fund will only go to her surgery and not anything else, I am not experienced about these type of things so I am praying that someone else here will be. I for one would be willing to share $50.00 no problem towards this fund. Is there a PS that would be willing to work and be paid in installments? What can we do anyone someone please tell me? I am desperately trying to help J and hope that with the email others will see the good in this and try and help her as well? thanks for you time sincerely Heer moderator of Saline Support Site

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:

Call Feng, you have a good rapport with her and Jeena and yourself have sent MANY patients her way. I think it's the least she can do for all the free advertisement she gets on this site and Explantation.com.

My PS is not in private practice but with a major university hospital. Private docs with no overhead authority are the best to ask. This would be right up Feng or Kolb's alley.

I wish the best for your friend.

Hugs,

LM

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

This is J, Thank you so much for your support!!!

Love,

J~

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> From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

>

> Subject: Re: HELP

> Date: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:48 PM

>

I woulg gladly donate $50.00 as well to help out J, as my surgery was

covered, after I sent in a 26 pg report on my blood work, and reports to my

insurance. (The only thing not covered is a lift) I was lucky, most others

are not. Where does J live, and how do we help?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you so much for all of your support and help!!!

Love,

J~

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From: Heer <idagirl@...>

Kathi <pureheart@...>

Cc:

Subject: HELP

Date: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:44 AM

Dear friends,

I am writing to all the ladies in my address book that I can think of who

might be able to help if we all put our heads together on how to get poor J

explanted. She does not require any extra surgery other than a complete

explant of her disintegrating meme implants. Her health is completely

failing here, she is only 34 years old, completely disabled and on Medicare

and Medicaid. I for one don't know much about these types of insurances

only that no one wants to touch this poor lady and I am concerned her

situation could turn even possible fatal. Please ladies is there someone

out there that would be willing to take on this case? There has to be

someone who can help this poor lady. I just cannot believe that there is

not one PS out there willing to waive a fee to save a life. Is it really

all just about $$$. I understand that this will be a particularly tough

case and that it will be time consuming, but good lord in heaven there has

got to be some kind of caring compassionate Dr who would and could make

some sort of exception to this isn't there? Or am I living in la la fantasy

land. I realize that this is probably not the only lady out there in

desperate need and that many ps's may feel if they help her they would be

inundated with calls from others expecting the same treatment and that this

would not be possible. I mean all of us of course went through a hard time

finding money. The point is I am concerned that this lady is going to get

so sick that she may die from this. Is there something we can do? Is there

a way we could set up a trust and donate to it, a way of knowing that this

fund will only go to her surgery and not anything else, I am not

experienced about these type of things so I am praying that someone else

here will be. I for one would be willing to share $50.00 no problem towards

this fund. Is there a PS that would be willing to work and be paid in

installments? What can we do anyone someone please tell me?

I am desperately trying to help J and hope that with the email others will

see the good in this and try and help her as well?

thanks for you time

sincerely

Heer

moderator of Saline Support Site

[Guest guest]

Yes please e that would be great

----- Original Message -----

From: e Rene

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:34 PM

Subject: Re: HELP

I know that Dr. Huang used to set up payment plans for people when insr didn't cover the procedure. It was not a loan, either, it was simply a payment plan---you agreed to pay a certain amt per month. Whether she continues to do this or not, I'm not sure. But since this woman's health is clearly at stake, and it is medically necessary, backed up with a letter from the referring doctor, I would encourage her to call Dr. Huang. I can also get in touch with Dr. Huang and describe the situation to her. Again, I'm not sure if she still does the payment plans, or accepts MC/medicaid, but it's worth checking. Going to a ps that is knowledgeable about the silicone illnesses is most impt, because they know that this consitutes medically necessary.

My explant was done under these conditions. My insr dragged their feet, but when Dr. Huang and my rheumy sent them letters explaining that I was having a horrible reaction to the implants, and the longer they waited, the more money they would be paying, they approved the surgery immediately. Had it not been for the insr issue, Dr. Huang would have been able to do my explant within 1 wk.

Let me know if I should get in touch with her.

e

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:44 AM

Kathi

Cc:

Subject: HELP

Dear friends,

I am writing to all the ladies in my address book that I can think of who might be able to help if we all put our heads together on how to get poor J explanted. She does not require any extra surgery other than a complete explant of her disintegrating meme implants. Her health is completely failing here, she is only 34 years old, completely disabled and on Medicare and Medicaid. I for one don't know much about these types of insurances only that no one wants to touch this poor lady and I am concerned her situation could turn even possible fatal. Please ladies is there someone out there that would be willing to take on this case? There has to be someone who can help this poor lady. I just cannot believe that there is not one PS out there willing to waive a fee to save a life. Is it really all just about $$$. I understand that this will be a particularly tough case and that it will be time consuming, but good lord in heaven there has got to be some kind of caring compassionate Dr who would and could make some sort of exception to this isn't there? Or am I living in la la fantasy land. I realize that this is probably not the only lady out there in desperate need and that many ps's may feel if they help her they would be inundated with calls from others expecting the same treatment and that this would not be possible. I mean all of us of course went through a hard time finding money. The point is I am concerned that this lady is going to get so sick that she may die from this. Is there something we can do? Is there a way we could set up a trust and donate to it, a way of knowing that this fund will only go to her surgery and not anything else, I am not experienced about these type of things so I am praying that someone else here will be. I for one would be willing to share $50.00 no problem towards this fund. Is there a PS that would be willing to work and be paid in installments? What can we do anyone someone please tell me?

I am desperately trying to help J and hope that with the email others will see the good in this and try and help her as well?

thanks for you time

sincerely

Heer

moderator of Saline Support Site

[Guest guest]

Well we are trying to figure out a way to help but I may have found a place that can help indigent so everyone hang tight while we see what happens!

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:48 PM

Subject: Re: HELP

I woulg gladly donate $50.00 as well to help out J, as my surgery was covered, after I sent in a 26 pg report on my blood work, and reports to my insurance. (The only thing not covered is a lift) I was lucky, most others are not. Where does J live, and how do we help?

[Guest guest]

I am here for you, I sent you some really interesting info I hope that you

will check it out and let me know if it works out, I will be praying for

you!

----- Original Message -----

From: " JHH7 " <rogerlh@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:03 PM

Subject: Re: HELP

> Hi ,

> Thank you so much for all of your support and help!!!

> Love,

> J~

>

> ----------

> From: Heer <idagirl@...>

> Kathi <pureheart@...>

> Cc:

> Subject: HELP

> Date: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:44 AM

>

> Dear friends,

> I am writing to all the ladies in my address book that I can think of who

> might be able to help if we all put our heads together on how to get poor

J

> explanted. She does not require any extra surgery other than a complete

> explant of her disintegrating meme implants. Her health is completely

> failing here, she is only 34 years old, completely disabled and on

Medicare

> and Medicaid. I for one don't know much about these types of insurances

> only that no one wants to touch this poor lady and I am concerned her

> situation could turn even possible fatal. Please ladies is there someone

> out there that would be willing to take on this case? There has to be

> someone who can help this poor lady. I just cannot believe that there is

> not one PS out there willing to waive a fee to save a life. Is it really

> all just about $$$. I understand that this will be a particularly tough

> case and that it will be time consuming, but good lord in heaven there has

> got to be some kind of caring compassionate Dr who would and could make

> some sort of exception to this isn't there? Or am I living in la la

fantasy

> land. I realize that this is probably not the only lady out there in

> desperate need and that many ps's may feel if they help her they would be

> inundated with calls from others expecting the same treatment and that

this

> would not be possible. I mean all of us of course went through a hard time

> finding money. The point is I am concerned that this lady is going to get

> so sick that she may die from this. Is there something we can do? Is there

> a way we could set up a trust and donate to it, a way of knowing that this

> fund will only go to her surgery and not anything else, I am not

> experienced about these type of things so I am praying that someone else

> here will be. I for one would be willing to share $50.00 no problem

towards

> this fund. Is there a PS that would be willing to work and be paid in

> installments? What can we do anyone someone please tell me?

>

> I am desperately trying to help J and hope that with the email others will

> see the good in this and try and help her as well?

>

> thanks for you time

> sincerely

> Heer

> moderator of Saline Support Site

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

first of all get off the zantac. this could be the whole cause of your

problems.

i took it many years ago for a entire summer, and it completely destroyed my

digestion. if i were gven the choice of going back in time and receiving a

million dollars or not taking the zantac, it would be an obvious choice for

me, no zantac.

you need hcl acid in your stomach for digestion. the more acid your stomach,

the better. zantac interferes with acid production in your stomach. after

you have stopped taking it, you can re acidify you stomach with apple cider

vinegar, lemons, or other foods high in chloride. read dr jensen's books for

high chloride foods.

the pain you felt up high, might also have been just gas caused by the

zantac destroying your digestion. zantac also contains aluminum. metal

poisoning has been linked with just about every disease out there. stop

eating metal.

to test your liver/ gall bladder eat a very fatty meal on on empty stomach.

if you start feeling alot worse about 1/2 hour to 1 hour later, then this

might mean problems in that area. but if you do have a heart problem this

could be dangerous, so go to a cardiologist and have your heart checked.

a fast will sometimes trigger a cleansing reaction. i hope you werent taking

zantac while fasting. try to get off all your other scrip medications as

well.

[Guest guest]

WOW thankyou for telling me abou the zantac---I had NO CLUE it had

aluminum in it which I avoid like the plague. I just now re-read the

ingredients---it says nothing about aluminum on the box!!! I wonder

why they did not list it. Also I see it has microcrystalline cellulose

in it which I also stay totally away from in all foods.

As far as testing myself with greasy or fatty foods----never in my LIFE

could I tolerate that and I NEVER eat that way so that test will not

work for me which is why I was hoping there was another way to tell if

you have gall bladder problems if you do not have pain directly in that

area. Even if I have no stones, it is definately extremely over

active. My Dr. refuses to order a sonagram for me now because I am

having stomach trouble and he says that does not justify ordering me to

have one etc.. etc... so here I am still wondering what is wrong. I

know I plan to try the chelation suppositories and am going to order

them next week and hopefully that will get rid of a lot of toxins.

Sure glad you jumped in and told me about the zantac. I can tolerate

lemons but that is about it---cannot touch grapefruit, vinigar, honey,

or any of that healthy stuff without a VERY severe reaction---which

reallly bothers me to think that I should have a problem with those

things--I love foods with vinigar such as olvies, pickles etc... and

honey. There is something very abnormally wrong and I mean to get to

the bottom of WHAT it is!!

Steph

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God Bless America

[Guest guest]

A gallbladder attack doesnt really burn, it hurts like nothing else though,

but its more sharp, and beleive me you probably wouldnt even be able to be

on the computer if you were having an attack. I have heard some people say

that they have discomfort in their gb, but the gallbladder is behind the

right side of your ribs and kind of down low. I have been having a burning

pain in my chest since I have gotten my gb removed, they say its heartburn,

but the zantac doesnt always work either. There is no self test that I know

of, usually the way they tell if you have stones or not is through

ultrasound. Or if you are having an attack then usually your liver tests

would be off.

>From: ectopistes@...

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: HELP

>Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:20:01 -0400 (EDT)

>

>I have been sick for about four or five days now. Can't eat without

>getting sick, I feel swollen, pinched and burnt in the back side of my

>stomach area and had some cramping feelings today. It is not going

>away.

>

>It all started with a 36 hour fast I went on and then I got

>sick after that. I ate good though the next day but the third day I

>got worse. The Dr. says hold on and do not run to the emergency room

>because he saw me five days ago and does not " think " I have gall bladder

>problems.

>

>I am holding off on my inclination to go to the emergency room today

>because the Dr. asked me not to but wants to see me tomorrow. In the mean

>time I am sitting here scared----can anyone tell me if there is a good or

>reliable way to tell whether or not I am having gall bladder problems or

>stomach problems? I cannot seem to tell for sure. Most of the pain and

>discomfort is high up like behind the area of my heart (but nothing to do

>with my heart). I am on zantac but nothing is changing.

>

>Any thoughts from anyone as to some little self test to tell if it is my

>gall bladder? I am not even sure how high up the gall bladder is located.

> Any thoughts will be appreciated as I sure feel bad and am alone. I have

>been watching the posts here most of the day.

>

>Thank you much in advance. Steph

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

, after all the messages I have recieved now and with yours, I

have arrived at the conclusion I do not have stones or infection. My

blood tests for liver etc.. were good the Dr. said and I have never had

pain where you describe. The pain of excessive gall is very

debilitating also and that is what I have been having I am now certain.

Not just acid burns in my stomach, but bad burns and pain where the bile

is pumed into the stomach. Now all I have to do is find out WHY I

have so much gall being pumped into my system and why so many allergies.

I think if I was rid of the allergies and toxins I would not have the

acid and gall attacks most probably, but not certain. I sure

appreciate all the posts and replies I got as I am greatly releived that

it is most probably not gallstones of infection of the gall bladder that

I am suffering from. I will sure be on this group for a long time as

the information that is past is the best I have seen and also all the

other things I have learned here in just one week that are health

related. Wonderful group!!!! God bless you all. Steph

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God Bless America

[Guest guest]

a good way to see if you have stones is just to do a few flushes.

i have had this problem for over 20 years, and my liver enzyme tests always

come out normal. i had mri and ultrasound done to check for stones ans they

come up clear.

meanwhile i've done a few hundred flushes and passd almost a gallon of

stones. needless to say i don't have much faith in medical tests.

i'm not sure what you mean by producing alot of bile. do you throw it up? or

does it come out the other end? if you throw it up then you have a blockage.

if it comes out the other end, then it could be a cleansing reaction. or

perhaps it gets intermittently blocked and sometimes you experience a large

release of bile. can you be more specific in what happens to you, and what

sets it off.

[Guest guest]

Now you have me worried again!!! I have been throwing up bile for

years---never the other end. Almost anything seems to set it off.

Over eating (on anything), and grease always did bother me from

babyhood, anything with a strong green or bitter taste will also set it

off bad so I cannot eat strong greens or anything that tastes real

bitter. Any allergic reaction to food sets it off bad too and just

having a bad cold or flue will do the same thing. Been this way for a

long time like about 15 years now and somewhat that way most of my life.

Every single member of my family has had their gall bladders out except

me, but I have always eaten properly mostly because my body would never

allow me to eat otherwise. I never eat grease, butter, margerine,

dairy products, processed food etc... not ever. I am a little

addicted to starches but am careful about it. I never use sugar or

alternative sweetners. This last year I seemed better until I went on a

very short fast-----that set it off and it only took 36 hours which is

rediculous. I would HAPPILY try flushing but how the " heck " can you

flush when you have a severe reaction to most of things you would need

to flush with???? The only thing I do not have any trouble with is

figs and beets and a small amount of lemon. Everything else makes me

sick as a dog that you have to use to flush. And in order to flush

you have to fast, and fasting has now given me gastritis which I am just

now getting " slightly " better today after a week of agony. If I knew

for sure I had stones I would make a serious effort of some kind to

flush, but cannot see half killing myslef if I do not know. I know

what you mean about Drs., had I done what Drs. told me to do and not

what I finally figured out throughout for myself in life, I would most

" certainly " be dead now.

I am more and more in favour of everything concerning alternative

medicine---in fact-----going to a Dr. would be an alternative for me

which I do not do unless I am desperate LOL. Maybe I should push the

Dr. into ordering a sonagram for me? Steph

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God Bless America

[Guest guest]

By the way, HOW do you know and how can you tell when you pass gall

stones?

What does eating figs and fasting do and how does that work?

Steph

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God Bless America

[Guest guest]

bitter greens stimulate bile flow. so it sounds like anything that

stimulates bile flow for you makes you throw up. sounds like a severely

congested liver. since it's been going on for so long, if you decide to

flush, it will probably take you more flushes than the average person. it

will probably also be a miserable experience and you might throw up. BUT, if

you make it through, you just might not have this problem to deal with

anymore.

you don't have to fast to do the flushes. i've done them on a full stomach,

empty stomach. its doesn't seem to matter much. plus, if you take the epsom

salts, like the directions say, you might not react to the olive oil like

you do when eating normally, because now the biliary tubing and ducts will

be able to dilate and allow the stones to pass through.

i would imagine that your gastritis is caused by the bile being thrown up.

bile is not supposed to travel in that direction. the cleansing process is

not easy.

the other option you have is to do a slow liver cleansing diet. which it

sounds like you already do. with this, you will be slowly melting the

stones. but you can still have reactions while doing it slow like this,

because as things shift around, stones will move, and allow old bile to

travel through. it would probably take a very long time to do it this way.

in either case it's going to hurt, that's that nature of cleansing.

i'd bet that after 2 or three flushes you would see some stones. but you

might not be ready for what happens next, because as you flush, the old ones

keep moving forward and your symptoms may get worse or alot worse. so you

will be tempted into going to a doctor for relief or worse, to have surgery.

so just be prepared if you go down this route. i myhself was unprepared, and

it got horrendously bad for a while. i had to do over 300 flushes so far,

this is not the norm by any means, but it is a possibility. that is the

nature of natural medicine. you have to keep going until your body says stop

no matter how much discomfort you are in. the body's natural tendency is

toward self healing. the longer you don't honor it, the worse the problems

will become. and the longer it will take when you decide to go through the

healing process properly. i am like you in that i have had these symptoms

for 20 years or maybe even my whole life. some people are born with

congested livers. but i was at least aware of this before doing the flushes,

and it is not unreasonable that it has taken over a year so far, and maybe

will require another year.

as you flush, even if it gets worse for a while, some things will get better

as more and more stones are released. so this will give you inspiration to

continue.

i am not an expert in fasting, but this might be another method for you. but

to do it with an experienced supervisor. i would imagine that if you were

able to continue the fast properly for as long as it took, the problem would

resolve itself.

[Guest guest]

At 10:42 AM 25-05-03 -0400, aluckower stated:

>first of all get off the zantac. this could be the whole cause of your

>problems.

>i took it many years ago for a entire summer, and it completely destroyed my

>digestion. if i were gven the choice of going back in time and receiving a

>million dollars or not taking the zantac, it would be an obvious choice for

>me, no zantac.

>

>you need hcl acid in your stomach for digestion. the more acid your stomach,

>the better. zantac interferes with acid production in your stomach.

Ranitidine (

Zantac) does indeed inhibit the production of hydrochloric acid. This

substance is used in digestion. However, in susceptible individuals it

causes erosion and ulcers and must therefore be inhibited in such people,

to protect them against erosive disease. There is today another generation

of acid-inhibiting medications for those people who do not tolerate or

benefit from

Ranitidine.

..

>after

>you have stopped taking it, you can re acidify you stomach with apple cider

>vinegar, lemons, or other foods high in chloride. read dr jensen's books for

>high chloride foods.

You must get competent medical advice before you stop taking prescribed

medicine, just as you must not take medicine prescribed for someone else

without medical consultation.

>the pain you felt up high, might also have been just gas caused by the

>zantac destroying your digestion. zantac also contains aluminum. metal

>poisoning has been linked with just about every disease out there. stop

>eating metal.

Ranitidine

contains no aluminum. Its formula is C13H22N4O3S·HCl, indicating that it

contains carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, sulfur and chlorine.

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[Guest guest]

OK (aluckower what is your name?) you have said a bundle here. I have

copied your e-mail and I have just a few more questions.

I am going to make an " attempt " to do some of this as soon as my

gastritis subsides to tolerable levels. First off, I do not " think " I

can tolerate epson salts if I recall correctly. The big problem I am

going to have is avoiding gastritis and severe vomiting. I do not

" mind " vomiting--after all I am an expert at it LOL, but I am in fear

for my eyesight and do not want a detached retina which I am close to

being in that situation now with all the jell broken lose on one eye and

the other eye on its way. I am going to have to proceed carefully.

So then. Here is the best of what I can do. I can do fasting and

suffer through it by taking tums and lots of water and throwing up the

tums with the nutralized acid and bile right away and " hopefully " not

get the gastritis back too badly. I got it this time because I did

not prepare in advance for the acid attack and burnt my stomach which

really set off a set of bad reactions and damage.

I will do fasting, figs, some lemon and " try " epson salts and olive oil

will also be a " trial thing " for me since I have never eaten olive oil

before. With these four things, can you tell me now then how to

proceed. Write down for me how long and how much fasting, how much of

each of these things and how often and how many hours apart to take each

one etc...?

And again, how can you TELL when you pass a gall stone? Is it painful

and if not always painful, how can you tell when you are also passing

food. I am still a bit lost here on quite a few things. Maybe so I

do not over jam this list with messages you could answer me privately on

these matters since they will mostly be repetitious for the group. I

appreciate this very much as I am getting ZERO help from Drs. and am

willing to try anything at this point.

One more question----does metal poisoning such as lead and mercury etc..

cause toxic liver??? If so, I would THINK that suppository chelation

therapy would be just the ticket for that. Are you familiar with that

and have you tried it??

If not I can tell you where to get it.

Steph

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OH, what is a good liver cleansing diet?? Steph

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i am not exoperienced in fasting at all. i do know there are many different

ways to do it. there is one method that says do not drink any water at all

until you are thirsty.

i would not attempt a fast by myself even though i have dont alot of

cleansing.

you might try to contact andreas moritz who wrote a book on the liver

cleanse, and he might have some suggestions for you.

potato or cabbage juice is supposed to be very good for healing ulcers.

if i were you i would start cabbage juice in the morning maybe 5 ounces or

so. then when i got relief, start to do the flush. mix the epsom salt with

some sort of juice that you can tolerate. i would do anything to stop the

vomiting. i assume that your eye problem is from all of the pressure built

up from vomiting all the time. at least with the flush you have a chance at

dislodging some stones that might be causing the blockage and vomiting.

you can read more about the flushes at curezone homepage. the stones are

unmistakable. they are green and float in the toilet. they are passed from

the liver or gall bladder into the small intestine and then bowel and then

toilet.

i dont know about figs, one guy here claims that they dissolve stones. it

might be true. raw foods in general will slowly and gradually dissolve

stones. but it can take a very long time.

maybe gelatin might work for your gastritis. seems like you need to heal

this up a bit before being able to take any acid foods. maybe alot of mucous

producing foods would be good like pasta. raw kefir or raw milk yogurt might

also help out some.

metal toxicity is a bad problem. i have done some chelation, but not with

suppositories. if you have amalgams in, get them out when you feel well

enough to do so.

you could try joining the oxyplus list as well to get some other input.

i don't take as much epsom salt as they say on the flush recipe. i just use

one tablesoon before the flush. and then in the morning just drink alot or

take an herbal laxative to flush the bowel. 4 tablespoons is much too harsh.

and taking it with juice helps out alot. the sweeter the juice the better,

since the salts are bitter. they will strip away mucous from your intestines

so you need to be careful. i've never had gastritis so i can't help you with

that from personal experience. maybe activated charcoal might help or rice

or mung bean noodles. pasta could be good just as a short term solution to

coat your esophogas in order to tolerate the epsom salts and grapefuit/oil.

fresh aloe vera is supposed to be very good for healing ulcers and

intestines.

tums is an antacid just like zantac and contains aluminum. what you want is

acid in your stomach. do not confuse this with throwing up bile which can

irritate your stomach and esophogas. the sooner you can resolve your problem

with vomiting, then you can work on restoring your stomach acid. in fact,

just stopping the antacids alone might help to resolve things.

join the oxyplus list and talk to saul pressman for his suggestions. you

have a serious problem and i dont think you are treating yourself properly

or even diagnosing yourself properly.

[Guest guest]

Beleive me you will know when you are passing a stone. It is the most pain

you will ever feel. Worse than childbirth. Although I think thats only if it

gets stuck on the way out.

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>By the way, HOW do you know and how can you tell when you pass gall

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> What does eating figs and fasting do and how does that work?

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I will do as you suggest but I know of no Dr. that is willing or able to

help me with fasting! Neither tums nor zantac lists aluminum as an

ingredient----how did you find out they had aluminum in them? I know

rolaids probably does, but I am wondering about tums because I

generally have a reaction when I ingest aluminum and have lived on tums

without any problem? Then again, maybe that is why I cant remember

anything anymore LOL LOL.

What are amalgams??? Steph

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-----since you put it that way, I think I will pass on passing the

stones :>(

Sounds like fun-----as if I have not had enough of that! I thought

NOTHING could be worse than having a baby. Surely then I would not

survive passing a large stone. I can only hope my sole problem is

toxic liver and allergies------but thanks for the fore warning never the

less. Steph

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Tonight is my third flush night, I am so excited, can't wait to see the

results tomorrow.

So far I did not have any pain or discomfort through 2 of my flushes and

even my hay fever bothers me much less this year. There is nothing scarry

about it, when you see what comes out of your body, the green sludgy gook

and the stones, you will be very happy you did it, and will feel great

about yourself!

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I will do as you suggest but I know of no Dr. that is willing or able to

help me with fasting! Neither tums nor zantac lists aluminum as an

ingredient----how did you find out they had aluminum in them? I know

rolaids probably does, but I am wondering about tums because I

generally have a reaction when I ingest aluminum and have lived on tums

without any problem? Then again, maybe that is why I cant remember

anything anymore LOL LOL.

What are amalgams??? Steph

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I have to disagree with you.. I just did my 8th flush and I have NEVER had

ANY pain the flushes.. I have gotten out tons of stones.. I am not sure by

this message if you meant passing a gallstone another way or not.

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> Sounds like fun-----as if I have not had enough of that! I thought

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> survive passing a large stone. I can only hope my sole problem is

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