Re: A Couple of Things to Say

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Re: A Couple of Things to Say

My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten up, Dave Trippel),

One easy fake it let go day at a time does it till you make it let god.

Dave Trippel

[Guest guest]

Re: A Couple of Things to Say

My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten up, Dave Trippel),

One easy fake it let go day at a time does it till you make it let god.

Dave Trippel

[Guest guest]

Re: A Couple of Things to Say

My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten up, Dave Trippel),

One easy fake it let go day at a time does it till you make it let god.

Dave Trippel

[Guest guest]

Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps

cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we

had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, &

etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are

given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. "

Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember (lots of

strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought to

practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The steps

cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know.

Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet?

Cheers,

nz

[Guest guest]

Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps

cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we

had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, &

etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are

given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. "

Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember (lots of

strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought to

practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The steps

cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know.

Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet?

Cheers,

nz

[Guest guest]

Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps

cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we

had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, &

etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are

given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. "

Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember (lots of

strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought to

practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The steps

cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know.

Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet?

Cheers,

nz

[Guest guest]

> With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness "

or

> " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age

> victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard

of

> something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if

it ever

> got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing?

But how

> would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm

sure.

Hi,

I know there is a " PA, " Parents Anonymous. I have been tempted to go

and see what their spin on it is. I think they target parents who

might have trouble with abuse issues, perhaps being abusive to their

children. I'm not sure though and the very idea of this group

frightens me, in light of the " success " of other of the Anonymous

programs.

Hicks

[Guest guest]

> With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness "

or

> " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age

> victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard

of

> something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if

it ever

> got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing?

But how

> would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm

sure.

Hi,

I know there is a " PA, " Parents Anonymous. I have been tempted to go

and see what their spin on it is. I think they target parents who

might have trouble with abuse issues, perhaps being abusive to their

children. I'm not sure though and the very idea of this group

frightens me, in light of the " success " of other of the Anonymous

programs.

Hicks

[Guest guest]

> With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness "

or

> " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age

> victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard

of

> something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if

it ever

> got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing?

But how

> would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm

sure.

Hi,

I know there is a " PA, " Parents Anonymous. I have been tempted to go

and see what their spin on it is. I think they target parents who

might have trouble with abuse issues, perhaps being abusive to their

children. I'm not sure though and the very idea of this group

frightens me, in light of the " success " of other of the Anonymous

programs.

Hicks

[Guest guest]

> My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten

> up, Dave Trippel), but one person (Cal?) hit the nail on the head:

in

> UA, abstinence=gluttony. This is pretty Orwellian, folks.

>

> Special thanks to those who expressed concern for my health.

Really,

> now that I have a diagnosis, I'm in pretty good shape. All I need

to

> do at this point is binge on celery and grapes and occasionally

throw

> in a little butter and sour cream for good measure.

Hi Kayleighs,

What a relief!

This thread also brought to mind the way we humans are all different

in our physical makeups. I feel that being underweight and having

difficulty with gaining is very serious, especially if it is related

to another illness. This must have been truly frightening, especially

with your past history of cancer.

This is a bit astray...

I knew one woman who was quite underweight, but always complained of

being too fat. I outweigh her by a good 40 pounds or so and I would

always be nonplussed...if she felt she was fat, what was I?

Unfortunately, she was always making these type of comments and she

has a daughter who is just now entering pubescence who she has

described to me as " fat, really fat. " This is a 13 year old girl, who

hasn't yet changed from her child-body to adult. I really worry about

the constant message she is getting. Doesn't she already get enough

in the media? Her body is just different from her mother's - she

isn't the least bit overweight. I just wish that people would be more

accepting in this area. I also personally believe that " normal " range

needs to be expanded.

I don't know of a single other issue that brings out the various

opinions, diets, non-diets, etc., and etc. It is really hard to wade

through it all and separate the wheat from the chaff. OA from what

I've read on here for the last few days definitely is *not* the

answer!

Hicks

[Guest guest]

> My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten

> up, Dave Trippel), but one person (Cal?) hit the nail on the head:

in

> UA, abstinence=gluttony. This is pretty Orwellian, folks.

>

> Special thanks to those who expressed concern for my health.

Really,

> now that I have a diagnosis, I'm in pretty good shape. All I need

to

> do at this point is binge on celery and grapes and occasionally

throw

> in a little butter and sour cream for good measure.

Hi Kayleighs,

What a relief!

This thread also brought to mind the way we humans are all different

in our physical makeups. I feel that being underweight and having

difficulty with gaining is very serious, especially if it is related

to another illness. This must have been truly frightening, especially

with your past history of cancer.

This is a bit astray...

I knew one woman who was quite underweight, but always complained of

being too fat. I outweigh her by a good 40 pounds or so and I would

always be nonplussed...if she felt she was fat, what was I?

Unfortunately, she was always making these type of comments and she

has a daughter who is just now entering pubescence who she has

described to me as " fat, really fat. " This is a 13 year old girl, who

hasn't yet changed from her child-body to adult. I really worry about

the constant message she is getting. Doesn't she already get enough

in the media? Her body is just different from her mother's - she

isn't the least bit overweight. I just wish that people would be more

accepting in this area. I also personally believe that " normal " range

needs to be expanded.

I don't know of a single other issue that brings out the various

opinions, diets, non-diets, etc., and etc. It is really hard to wade

through it all and separate the wheat from the chaff. OA from what

I've read on here for the last few days definitely is *not* the

answer!

Hicks

[Guest guest]

> My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten

> up, Dave Trippel), but one person (Cal?) hit the nail on the head:

in

> UA, abstinence=gluttony. This is pretty Orwellian, folks.

>

> Special thanks to those who expressed concern for my health.

Really,

> now that I have a diagnosis, I'm in pretty good shape. All I need

to

> do at this point is binge on celery and grapes and occasionally

throw

> in a little butter and sour cream for good measure.

Hi Kayleighs,

What a relief!

This thread also brought to mind the way we humans are all different

in our physical makeups. I feel that being underweight and having

difficulty with gaining is very serious, especially if it is related

to another illness. This must have been truly frightening, especially

with your past history of cancer.

This is a bit astray...

I knew one woman who was quite underweight, but always complained of

being too fat. I outweigh her by a good 40 pounds or so and I would

always be nonplussed...if she felt she was fat, what was I?

Unfortunately, she was always making these type of comments and she

has a daughter who is just now entering pubescence who she has

described to me as " fat, really fat. " This is a 13 year old girl, who

hasn't yet changed from her child-body to adult. I really worry about

the constant message she is getting. Doesn't she already get enough

in the media? Her body is just different from her mother's - she

isn't the least bit overweight. I just wish that people would be more

accepting in this area. I also personally believe that " normal " range

needs to be expanded.

I don't know of a single other issue that brings out the various

opinions, diets, non-diets, etc., and etc. It is really hard to wade

through it all and separate the wheat from the chaff. OA from what

I've read on here for the last few days definitely is *not* the

answer!

Hicks

[Guest guest]

Precisely.

>

> Re: A Couple of Things to Say

>

>

> My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek

(lighten

> up, Dave Trippel),

>

> One easy fake it let go day at a time does it till you make it let

god.

>

> Dave Trippel

[Guest guest]

Precisely.

>

> Re: A Couple of Things to Say

>

>

> My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek

(lighten

> up, Dave Trippel),

>

> One easy fake it let go day at a time does it till you make it let

god.

>

> Dave Trippel

[Guest guest]

I was told in treatment that alcoholics do not ever have any other

mental problems. They're just alcoholics, and the steps will fix

that. Cancer and ingrown toenails were not discussed.

> Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps

> cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so,

then we

> had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid

schizophrenic, OCD, &

> etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that

they are

> given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the

steps. "

>

> Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember

(lots of

> strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought

to

> practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The

steps

> cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know.

>

> Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet?

>

> Cheers,

>

> nz

[Guest guest]

I was told in treatment that alcoholics do not ever have any other

mental problems. They're just alcoholics, and the steps will fix

that. Cancer and ingrown toenails were not discussed.

> Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps

> cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so,

then we

> had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid

schizophrenic, OCD, &

> etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that

they are

> given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the

steps. "

>

> Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember

(lots of

> strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought

to

> practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The

steps

> cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know.

>

> Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet?

>

> Cheers,

>

> nz

[Guest guest]

I was told in treatment that alcoholics do not ever have any other

mental problems. They're just alcoholics, and the steps will fix

that. Cancer and ingrown toenails were not discussed.

> Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps

> cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so,

then we

> had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid

schizophrenic, OCD, &

> etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that

they are

> given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the

steps. "

>

> Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember

(lots of

> strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought

to

> practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The

steps

> cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know.

>

> Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet?

>

> Cheers,

>

> nz

[Guest guest]

Oh jeez yes! I remember lots of crap about 12-step being the answer

to just about everything. " if only everyone were in a twelve step

program. " Then everyone would be busy making amends, writing

inventories, checking in with sponsors, having spiritual awakenings,

carrying the message; instead of making war, polluting, and having

too many babies. Uh-huh. We'd all get along because no-one would

think for themselves or challange anything. Ah SERENITY at last!

-

I recall seeing many people with recognizable personality disorders

and other issues that were not seeking any other kind of help

> > Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps

> > cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is

so,

> then we

> > had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid

> schizophrenic, OCD, &

> > etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so

that

> they are

> > given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the

> steps. "

> >

> > Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember

> (lots of

> > strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE

ought

> to

> > practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well.

The

> steps

> > cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know.

> >

> > Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet?

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > nz

[Guest guest]

Oh jeez yes! I remember lots of crap about 12-step being the answer

to just about everything. " if only everyone were in a twelve step

program. " Then everyone would be busy making amends, writing

inventories, checking in with sponsors, having spiritual awakenings,

carrying the message; instead of making war, polluting, and having

too many babies. Uh-huh. We'd all get along because no-one would

think for themselves or challange anything. Ah SERENITY at last!

-

I recall seeing many people with recognizable personality disorders

and other issues that were not seeking any other kind of help

> > Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps

> > cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is

so,

> then we

> > had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid

> schizophrenic, OCD, &

> > etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so

that

> they are

> > given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the

> steps. "

> >

> > Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember

> (lots of

> > strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE

ought

> to

> > practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well.

The

> steps

> > cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know.

> >

> > Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet?

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > nz

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure why you say " What a relief! " I do agree that all of us

are different, I know plenty of people that I think are lovely who are

probably overweight by socially accepted guidelines. All my life

parents and doctors and so forth have been worried about my

underweight, but truly, I love to eat, I love the way things taste,

I've got plenty of friends who wonder how I can eat as much as I do

and still remain so thin. They don't stop to think that it's what I

eat, it's not how much. It is true, however, that when under stress,

I quit eating, or cut back a lot, and that's just my pattern, it

doesn't worry me a lot because it always turns around. The only thing

that would really worry me would be if I had to have chemotherapy,

which would kill my appetite in addition to the stress. But that

hasn't happened yet, so I don't see any need to worry about it. If it

does happen, I am sure I will figure out a plan to deal with it.

Yeah, I guess the response this thread has elicited really does

exhibit how problematic eating habits can be. It's not so long ago,

maybe one hundred years or perhaps one hundred thirty, that

responsible parents fattened their children up as much as possible,

because of the vagaries of nature and the possible unavailability of

food. Even today. Recently I was sitting in a radiology waiting room

and heard a man explaining that he might not have gotten through his

chemotherapy so well if he hadn't been overweight to begin with -- so

that he had reserves to fall back on when he became nauseated and

couldn't eat. There's something to be said for every way of looking

at it.

I hope the poor kid you describe gets some better advice than her

mother's.

Hi Kayleighs,

>

> What a relief!

>

> This thread also brought to mind the way we humans are all different

> in our physical makeups. I feel that being underweight and having

> difficulty with gaining is very serious, especially if it is related

> to another illness. This must have been truly frightening,

especially

> with your past history of cancer.

>

> This is a bit astray...

> I knew one woman who was quite underweight, but always complained of

> being too fat. I outweigh her by a good 40 pounds or so and I would

> always be nonplussed...if she felt she was fat, what was I?

> Unfortunately, she was always making these type of comments and she

> has a daughter who is just now entering pubescence who she has

> described to me as " fat, really fat. " This is a 13 year old girl,

who

> hasn't yet changed from her child-body to adult. I really worry

about

> the constant message she is getting. Doesn't she already get enough

> in the media? Her body is just different from her mother's - she

> isn't the least bit overweight. I just wish that people would be

more

> accepting in this area. I also personally believe that " normal "

range

> needs to be expanded.

>

> I don't know of a single other issue that brings out the various

> opinions, diets, non-diets, etc., and etc. It is really hard to

wade

> through it all and separate the wheat from the chaff. OA from what

> I've read on here for the last few days definitely is *not* the

> answer!

>

> Hicks

[Guest guest]

> I'm not sure why you say " What a relief! "

Well, finding out that you don't have cancer... :-)

Unexplained weight loss is a serious symptom many illnesses and I am

glad you found out what was behind it, though I don't know anything

about the diagnosis you have. Good luck!

[Guest guest]

> I'm not sure why you say " What a relief! "

Well, finding out that you don't have cancer... :-)

Unexplained weight loss is a serious symptom many illnesses and I am

glad you found out what was behind it, though I don't know anything

about the diagnosis you have. Good luck!

[Guest guest]

I was told by my doctors group ( doctors for gods sake ! ) when i was not able to get treatment for my worsening diabetes for 3 months ( our crap National Health Service ) that I should go to more meetings . At the time I was feeling very agitated with sky high blood sugars , and I had just arrived at the meeting . I am mandated to go , and I had got caught in a storm in the middle of London , I was soaked literally through to my knickers . I was also very angry , justifiably so I think .

Fortunately I went out to bat for myself with the system and got insulin injections 5 weeks later . I would have ended up in hospital if I had taken the meetings cure !!!!

[Guest guest]

I was told by my doctors group ( doctors for gods sake ! ) when i was not able to get treatment for my worsening diabetes for 3 months ( our crap National Health Service ) that I should go to more meetings . At the time I was feeling very agitated with sky high blood sugars , and I had just arrived at the meeting . I am mandated to go , and I had got caught in a storm in the middle of London , I was soaked literally through to my knickers . I was also very angry , justifiably so I think .

Fortunately I went out to bat for myself with the system and got insulin injections 5 weeks later . I would have ended up in hospital if I had taken the meetings cure !!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Mack nice to have some communication from someone with a lot in common in the Uk ! because I am a medical professional ( dentist ) I was able to be VERY assertive about not getting the right treatment . I had to do this in the knowledge that the docs etc would think that I was an aggressive old Bitch !!!, but its YOUR LIFE < and use that as a mantra .

My partner had a heart attack 4 years ago , and got wonderful treatment in a small modern STATE hospital in the South of Spain , he is a member of the Heart association or something and goes to cardiac rehab exercise twice a week . You shouldnt be getting angina again with a stent , theres trouble brewing .