Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Re: A Couple of Things to Say My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten up, Dave Trippel), One easy fake it let go day at a time does it till you make it let god. Dave Trippel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Re: A Couple of Things to Say My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten up, Dave Trippel), One easy fake it let go day at a time does it till you make it let god. Dave Trippel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Re: A Couple of Things to Say My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten up, Dave Trippel), One easy fake it let go day at a time does it till you make it let god. Dave Trippel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, & etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. " Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember (lots of strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought to practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The steps cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know. Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? Cheers, nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, & etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. " Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember (lots of strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought to practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The steps cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know. Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? Cheers, nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, & etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. " Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember (lots of strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought to practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The steps cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know. Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? Cheers, nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 > With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness " or > " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age > victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard of > something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if it ever > got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing? But how > would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm sure. Hi, I know there is a " PA, " Parents Anonymous. I have been tempted to go and see what their spin on it is. I think they target parents who might have trouble with abuse issues, perhaps being abusive to their children. I'm not sure though and the very idea of this group frightens me, in light of the " success " of other of the Anonymous programs. Hicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 > With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness " or > " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age > victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard of > something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if it ever > got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing? But how > would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm sure. Hi, I know there is a " PA, " Parents Anonymous. I have been tempted to go and see what their spin on it is. I think they target parents who might have trouble with abuse issues, perhaps being abusive to their children. I'm not sure though and the very idea of this group frightens me, in light of the " success " of other of the Anonymous programs. Hicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 > With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness " or > " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age > victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard of > something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if it ever > got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing? But how > would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm sure. Hi, I know there is a " PA, " Parents Anonymous. I have been tempted to go and see what their spin on it is. I think they target parents who might have trouble with abuse issues, perhaps being abusive to their children. I'm not sure though and the very idea of this group frightens me, in light of the " success " of other of the Anonymous programs. Hicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 > My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten > up, Dave Trippel), but one person (Cal?) hit the nail on the head: in > UA, abstinence=gluttony. This is pretty Orwellian, folks. > > Special thanks to those who expressed concern for my health. Really, > now that I have a diagnosis, I'm in pretty good shape. All I need to > do at this point is binge on celery and grapes and occasionally throw > in a little butter and sour cream for good measure. Hi Kayleighs, What a relief! This thread also brought to mind the way we humans are all different in our physical makeups. I feel that being underweight and having difficulty with gaining is very serious, especially if it is related to another illness. This must have been truly frightening, especially with your past history of cancer. This is a bit astray... I knew one woman who was quite underweight, but always complained of being too fat. I outweigh her by a good 40 pounds or so and I would always be nonplussed...if she felt she was fat, what was I? Unfortunately, she was always making these type of comments and she has a daughter who is just now entering pubescence who she has described to me as " fat, really fat. " This is a 13 year old girl, who hasn't yet changed from her child-body to adult. I really worry about the constant message she is getting. Doesn't she already get enough in the media? Her body is just different from her mother's - she isn't the least bit overweight. I just wish that people would be more accepting in this area. I also personally believe that " normal " range needs to be expanded. I don't know of a single other issue that brings out the various opinions, diets, non-diets, etc., and etc. It is really hard to wade through it all and separate the wheat from the chaff. OA from what I've read on here for the last few days definitely is *not* the answer! Hicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 > My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten > up, Dave Trippel), but one person (Cal?) hit the nail on the head: in > UA, abstinence=gluttony. This is pretty Orwellian, folks. > > Special thanks to those who expressed concern for my health. Really, > now that I have a diagnosis, I'm in pretty good shape. All I need to > do at this point is binge on celery and grapes and occasionally throw > in a little butter and sour cream for good measure. Hi Kayleighs, What a relief! This thread also brought to mind the way we humans are all different in our physical makeups. I feel that being underweight and having difficulty with gaining is very serious, especially if it is related to another illness. This must have been truly frightening, especially with your past history of cancer. This is a bit astray... I knew one woman who was quite underweight, but always complained of being too fat. I outweigh her by a good 40 pounds or so and I would always be nonplussed...if she felt she was fat, what was I? Unfortunately, she was always making these type of comments and she has a daughter who is just now entering pubescence who she has described to me as " fat, really fat. " This is a 13 year old girl, who hasn't yet changed from her child-body to adult. I really worry about the constant message she is getting. Doesn't she already get enough in the media? Her body is just different from her mother's - she isn't the least bit overweight. I just wish that people would be more accepting in this area. I also personally believe that " normal " range needs to be expanded. I don't know of a single other issue that brings out the various opinions, diets, non-diets, etc., and etc. It is really hard to wade through it all and separate the wheat from the chaff. OA from what I've read on here for the last few days definitely is *not* the answer! Hicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 > My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten > up, Dave Trippel), but one person (Cal?) hit the nail on the head: in > UA, abstinence=gluttony. This is pretty Orwellian, folks. > > Special thanks to those who expressed concern for my health. Really, > now that I have a diagnosis, I'm in pretty good shape. All I need to > do at this point is binge on celery and grapes and occasionally throw > in a little butter and sour cream for good measure. Hi Kayleighs, What a relief! This thread also brought to mind the way we humans are all different in our physical makeups. I feel that being underweight and having difficulty with gaining is very serious, especially if it is related to another illness. This must have been truly frightening, especially with your past history of cancer. This is a bit astray... I knew one woman who was quite underweight, but always complained of being too fat. I outweigh her by a good 40 pounds or so and I would always be nonplussed...if she felt she was fat, what was I? Unfortunately, she was always making these type of comments and she has a daughter who is just now entering pubescence who she has described to me as " fat, really fat. " This is a 13 year old girl, who hasn't yet changed from her child-body to adult. I really worry about the constant message she is getting. Doesn't she already get enough in the media? Her body is just different from her mother's - she isn't the least bit overweight. I just wish that people would be more accepting in this area. I also personally believe that " normal " range needs to be expanded. I don't know of a single other issue that brings out the various opinions, diets, non-diets, etc., and etc. It is really hard to wade through it all and separate the wheat from the chaff. OA from what I've read on here for the last few days definitely is *not* the answer! Hicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Precisely. > > Re: A Couple of Things to Say > > > My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten > up, Dave Trippel), > > One easy fake it let go day at a time does it till you make it let god. > > Dave Trippel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Precisely. > > Re: A Couple of Things to Say > > > My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten > up, Dave Trippel), > > One easy fake it let go day at a time does it till you make it let god. > > Dave Trippel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 I was told in treatment that alcoholics do not ever have any other mental problems. They're just alcoholics, and the steps will fix that. Cancer and ingrown toenails were not discussed. > Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps > cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we > had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, & > etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are > given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. " > > Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember (lots of > strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought to > practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The steps > cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know. > > Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? > > Cheers, > > nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 I was told in treatment that alcoholics do not ever have any other mental problems. They're just alcoholics, and the steps will fix that. Cancer and ingrown toenails were not discussed. > Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps > cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we > had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, & > etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are > given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. " > > Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember (lots of > strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought to > practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The steps > cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know. > > Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? > > Cheers, > > nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 I was told in treatment that alcoholics do not ever have any other mental problems. They're just alcoholics, and the steps will fix that. Cancer and ingrown toenails were not discussed. > Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps > cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we > had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, & > etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are > given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. " > > Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember (lots of > strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought to > practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The steps > cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know. > > Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? > > Cheers, > > nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Oh jeez yes! I remember lots of crap about 12-step being the answer to just about everything. " if only everyone were in a twelve step program. " Then everyone would be busy making amends, writing inventories, checking in with sponsors, having spiritual awakenings, carrying the message; instead of making war, polluting, and having too many babies. Uh-huh. We'd all get along because no-one would think for themselves or challange anything. Ah SERENITY at last! - I recall seeing many people with recognizable personality disorders and other issues that were not seeking any other kind of help > > Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps > > cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, > then we > > had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid > schizophrenic, OCD, & > > etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that > they are > > given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the > steps. " > > > > Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember > (lots of > > strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought > to > > practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The > steps > > cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know. > > > > Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? > > > > Cheers, > > > > nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Oh jeez yes! I remember lots of crap about 12-step being the answer to just about everything. " if only everyone were in a twelve step program. " Then everyone would be busy making amends, writing inventories, checking in with sponsors, having spiritual awakenings, carrying the message; instead of making war, polluting, and having too many babies. Uh-huh. We'd all get along because no-one would think for themselves or challange anything. Ah SERENITY at last! - I recall seeing many people with recognizable personality disorders and other issues that were not seeking any other kind of help > > Mona tells us about someone who " ...insists working the steps > > cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, > then we > > had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid > schizophrenic, OCD, & > > etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that > they are > > given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the > steps. " > > > > Ummm....there are people who think that very thing! I remember > (lots of > > strolls down Memory Lane today) people who said that EVERYONE ought > to > > practice the 12 steps, alcoholic or not, and they'd get well. The > steps > > cure everything from cancer to ingrown toenails, y'know. > > > > Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? > > > > Cheers, > > > > nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 I'm not sure why you say " What a relief! " I do agree that all of us are different, I know plenty of people that I think are lovely who are probably overweight by socially accepted guidelines. All my life parents and doctors and so forth have been worried about my underweight, but truly, I love to eat, I love the way things taste, I've got plenty of friends who wonder how I can eat as much as I do and still remain so thin. They don't stop to think that it's what I eat, it's not how much. It is true, however, that when under stress, I quit eating, or cut back a lot, and that's just my pattern, it doesn't worry me a lot because it always turns around. The only thing that would really worry me would be if I had to have chemotherapy, which would kill my appetite in addition to the stress. But that hasn't happened yet, so I don't see any need to worry about it. If it does happen, I am sure I will figure out a plan to deal with it. Yeah, I guess the response this thread has elicited really does exhibit how problematic eating habits can be. It's not so long ago, maybe one hundred years or perhaps one hundred thirty, that responsible parents fattened their children up as much as possible, because of the vagaries of nature and the possible unavailability of food. Even today. Recently I was sitting in a radiology waiting room and heard a man explaining that he might not have gotten through his chemotherapy so well if he hadn't been overweight to begin with -- so that he had reserves to fall back on when he became nauseated and couldn't eat. There's something to be said for every way of looking at it. I hope the poor kid you describe gets some better advice than her mother's. Hi Kayleighs, > > What a relief! > > This thread also brought to mind the way we humans are all different > in our physical makeups. I feel that being underweight and having > difficulty with gaining is very serious, especially if it is related > to another illness. This must have been truly frightening, especially > with your past history of cancer. > > This is a bit astray... > I knew one woman who was quite underweight, but always complained of > being too fat. I outweigh her by a good 40 pounds or so and I would > always be nonplussed...if she felt she was fat, what was I? > Unfortunately, she was always making these type of comments and she > has a daughter who is just now entering pubescence who she has > described to me as " fat, really fat. " This is a 13 year old girl, who > hasn't yet changed from her child-body to adult. I really worry about > the constant message she is getting. Doesn't she already get enough > in the media? Her body is just different from her mother's - she > isn't the least bit overweight. I just wish that people would be more > accepting in this area. I also personally believe that " normal " range > needs to be expanded. > > I don't know of a single other issue that brings out the various > opinions, diets, non-diets, etc., and etc. It is really hard to wade > through it all and separate the wheat from the chaff. OA from what > I've read on here for the last few days definitely is *not* the > answer! > > Hicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 > I'm not sure why you say " What a relief! " Well, finding out that you don't have cancer... :-) Unexplained weight loss is a serious symptom many illnesses and I am glad you found out what was behind it, though I don't know anything about the diagnosis you have. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 > I'm not sure why you say " What a relief! " Well, finding out that you don't have cancer... :-) Unexplained weight loss is a serious symptom many illnesses and I am glad you found out what was behind it, though I don't know anything about the diagnosis you have. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2001 Report Share Posted May 13, 2001 I was told by my doctors group ( doctors for gods sake ! ) when i was not able to get treatment for my worsening diabetes for 3 months ( our crap National Health Service ) that I should go to more meetings . At the time I was feeling very agitated with sky high blood sugars , and I had just arrived at the meeting . I am mandated to go , and I had got caught in a storm in the middle of London , I was soaked literally through to my knickers . I was also very angry , justifiably so I think . Fortunately I went out to bat for myself with the system and got insulin injections 5 weeks later . I would have ended up in hospital if I had taken the meetings cure !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2001 Report Share Posted May 13, 2001 I was told by my doctors group ( doctors for gods sake ! ) when i was not able to get treatment for my worsening diabetes for 3 months ( our crap National Health Service ) that I should go to more meetings . At the time I was feeling very agitated with sky high blood sugars , and I had just arrived at the meeting . I am mandated to go , and I had got caught in a storm in the middle of London , I was soaked literally through to my knickers . I was also very angry , justifiably so I think . Fortunately I went out to bat for myself with the system and got insulin injections 5 weeks later . I would have ended up in hospital if I had taken the meetings cure !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2001 Report Share Posted May 13, 2001 Hi Mack nice to have some communication from someone with a lot in common in the Uk ! because I am a medical professional ( dentist ) I was able to be VERY assertive about not getting the right treatment . I had to do this in the knowledge that the docs etc would think that I was an aggressive old Bitch !!!, but its YOUR LIFE < and use that as a mantra . My partner had a heart attack 4 years ago , and got wonderful treatment in a small modern STATE hospital in the South of Spain , he is a member of the Heart association or something and goes to cardiac rehab exercise twice a week . You shouldnt be getting angina again with a stent , theres trouble brewing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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