Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and my > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that ended > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my oncologist. > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means that > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been cut > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's the > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps apply? > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my doctors > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you not > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much like > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent three > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal weight. > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > after my initial surgery. > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't guess > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement for > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about what > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for an > under-eater? > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, and > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback about > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Why? who cares what 12 steppers think. You had a reasonable responce to a very stressful time. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and my > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that ended > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my oncologist. > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means that > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been cut > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's the > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps apply? > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my doctors > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you not > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much like > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent three > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal weight. > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > after my initial surgery. > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't guess > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement for > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about what > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for an > under-eater? > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, and > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback about > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Why? who cares what 12 steppers think. You had a reasonable responce to a very stressful time. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and my > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that ended > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my oncologist. > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means that > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been cut > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's the > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps apply? > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my doctors > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you not > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much like > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent three > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal weight. > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > after my initial surgery. > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't guess > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement for > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about what > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for an > under-eater? > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, and > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback about > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Why? who cares what 12 steppers think. You had a reasonable responce to a very stressful time. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 I'm glad you don't have cancer, although the condition you have definitely sounds serious. I hope there is good treatment for it. As for your weight...I'm one of the overweight majority, but I also have recognized that the reason thin people are thin, is usually what you describe below: they deal with stress by not eating, whereas I deal with stress by eating more. You're rocking the boat, Kayleigh I think you're in denial about something, better do a moral inventory. Of course I'm just kidding!!! Sincerely, I do believe that you will control your weight in a healthy way, and I wish you the best of luck in dealing with your avascular necrosis. judith > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and my > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that ended > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my oncologist. > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means that > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been cut > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's the > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps apply? > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my doctors > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you not > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much like > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent three > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal weight. > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > after my initial surgery. > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't guess > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement for > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about what > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for an > under-eater? > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, and > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback about > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 I'm glad you don't have cancer, although the condition you have definitely sounds serious. I hope there is good treatment for it. As for your weight...I'm one of the overweight majority, but I also have recognized that the reason thin people are thin, is usually what you describe below: they deal with stress by not eating, whereas I deal with stress by eating more. You're rocking the boat, Kayleigh I think you're in denial about something, better do a moral inventory. Of course I'm just kidding!!! Sincerely, I do believe that you will control your weight in a healthy way, and I wish you the best of luck in dealing with your avascular necrosis. judith > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and my > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that ended > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my oncologist. > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means that > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been cut > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's the > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps apply? > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my doctors > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you not > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much like > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent three > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal weight. > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > after my initial surgery. > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't guess > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement for > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about what > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for an > under-eater? > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, and > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback about > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 I'm glad you don't have cancer, although the condition you have definitely sounds serious. I hope there is good treatment for it. As for your weight...I'm one of the overweight majority, but I also have recognized that the reason thin people are thin, is usually what you describe below: they deal with stress by not eating, whereas I deal with stress by eating more. You're rocking the boat, Kayleigh I think you're in denial about something, better do a moral inventory. Of course I'm just kidding!!! Sincerely, I do believe that you will control your weight in a healthy way, and I wish you the best of luck in dealing with your avascular necrosis. judith > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and my > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that ended > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my oncologist. > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means that > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been cut > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's the > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps apply? > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my doctors > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you not > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much like > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent three > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal weight. > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > after my initial surgery. > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't guess > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement for > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about what > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for an > under-eater? > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, and > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback about > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 I note that a couple people have answered you in a tongue in cheek manner. Some people don't get it that there are folks who suffer just as much from being underweight as I and others do from struggling with overweight. I'm glad to hear that the cancer is now gone, but I'm sorry to hear that you are having different health problems. I don't see why a 12-step program couldn't be tailored to apply to undereaters as well as overeaters. Being " sober " and " abstinent " have to do with *not* doing something, *not* indulging in a particular behavior. If I wanted to design a 12-step program for undereaters, success would mean doing something. Like including a certain amount of calorie-dense items at each meal. Participants in the program would be remembering to do this one day at a time. Instead of being powerless over food, people would be powerless over the behavior, or motivation to that behavior, of not eating enough. I think it could be done. Heaven knows they have 12-step programs for all sorts of other things now. <grin> Cheers, nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 I note that a couple people have answered you in a tongue in cheek manner. Some people don't get it that there are folks who suffer just as much from being underweight as I and others do from struggling with overweight. I'm glad to hear that the cancer is now gone, but I'm sorry to hear that you are having different health problems. I don't see why a 12-step program couldn't be tailored to apply to undereaters as well as overeaters. Being " sober " and " abstinent " have to do with *not* doing something, *not* indulging in a particular behavior. If I wanted to design a 12-step program for undereaters, success would mean doing something. Like including a certain amount of calorie-dense items at each meal. Participants in the program would be remembering to do this one day at a time. Instead of being powerless over food, people would be powerless over the behavior, or motivation to that behavior, of not eating enough. I think it could be done. Heaven knows they have 12-step programs for all sorts of other things now. <grin> Cheers, nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 Hello Kayleigh I am glad you do not have cancer but I am very sorry to hear you do nevertheless have a serious illness. I wish the very best for you. Regarding your question about undereating, OA isnt the least bit embarassed about the fact that ppl undereat, and anorexics regularly attend it. I understand that they are often viewed askance in parts of the US,and there has been a movement to get rid of them, on the pretext that anorexia is a *medical problem* that compromises OA! Hah! As if morbid obesity and alcoholism arent medical problems! Abstinence is jusr defined as not undereating for these folks, but for those who have gone through the particular rehab I was in there is an extra twist. The guy who ran it, who was my first sponsor, has a rationale for getting round your objection. He claims that anorexics are all really overeaters, who have developed anorexia solely as a defense against overeating. This is of course, what many anorexics actually believe, and imo is often completely untrue - it is possible for ppl to become anorexic with no history of overeating at all - ot does hoever, make disease notions about eating disorders more credible if it were true. Hence, he makes his anorexic patients abstain from refined carbos, especially sugar, just like the overeaters, (thereby additionally removing a calorie source). To add to the ignominy some overeaters who have attempted control are encouraged to call themselves " failed anorexics " !!! I remember in rehab almost saying to one girl that calling herself this didnt help her and that anorexia isnt something one succeeds at, only to find out later that she will have been specifically encouraged to think of herself in this fashion! Again, very best of luck with your health, P. > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and my > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that ended > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my oncologist. > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means that > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been cut > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's the > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps apply? > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my doctors > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you not > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much like > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent three > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal weight. > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > after my initial surgery. > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't guess > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement for > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about what > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for an > under-eater? > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, and > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback about > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness " or " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard of something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if it ever got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing? But how would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness " or " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard of something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if it ever got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing? But how would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness " or " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard of something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if it ever got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing? But how would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 As an underweight bulimic in OA, I enjoyed the status of being simultaneously " addicted " to eating and to not eating. How ridiculous is that? Oh, and the purging part- I guess that was an addiction to Un-eating. I think one of the reasons OA doesn't have the sort of stranglehold on the weight management industry like AA does over alcohol treatment is because the silliness of the whole idea is so easily spotted. Along the lines of your UA idea, I was thinking of a program for people who don't exercise enough. Afterall, if too much can be an addiction, why not too little? CPA (Couch Potatoes Anonymous),anyone? Joan > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and my > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that ended > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my oncologist. > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means that > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been cut > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's the > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps apply? > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my doctors > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you not > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much like > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent three > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal weight. > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > after my initial surgery. > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't guess > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement for > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about what > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for an > under-eater? > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, and > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback about > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 As an underweight bulimic in OA, I enjoyed the status of being simultaneously " addicted " to eating and to not eating. How ridiculous is that? Oh, and the purging part- I guess that was an addiction to Un-eating. I think one of the reasons OA doesn't have the sort of stranglehold on the weight management industry like AA does over alcohol treatment is because the silliness of the whole idea is so easily spotted. Along the lines of your UA idea, I was thinking of a program for people who don't exercise enough. Afterall, if too much can be an addiction, why not too little? CPA (Couch Potatoes Anonymous),anyone? Joan > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and my > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that ended > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my oncologist. > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means that > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been cut > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's the > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps apply? > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my doctors > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you not > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much like > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent three > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal weight. > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > after my initial surgery. > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't guess > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement for > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about what > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for an > under-eater? > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, and > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback about > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 As an underweight bulimic in OA, I enjoyed the status of being simultaneously " addicted " to eating and to not eating. How ridiculous is that? Oh, and the purging part- I guess that was an addiction to Un-eating. I think one of the reasons OA doesn't have the sort of stranglehold on the weight management industry like AA does over alcohol treatment is because the silliness of the whole idea is so easily spotted. Along the lines of your UA idea, I was thinking of a program for people who don't exercise enough. Afterall, if too much can be an addiction, why not too little? CPA (Couch Potatoes Anonymous),anyone? Joan > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and my > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that ended > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my oncologist. > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means that > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been cut > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's the > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps apply? > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my doctors > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you not > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much like > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent three > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal weight. > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > after my initial surgery. > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't guess > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement for > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about what > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for an > under-eater? > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, and > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback about > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 At 05:05 PM 5/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness " or > " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age >victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard of >something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if it ever >got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing? But how >would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm sure. There was an Emotions Anonymous at one point. Even my pet mouse has emotions, so the door's pretty much wide open as far as I can tell. (I'm back, btw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 At 05:05 PM 5/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >With too much and too little, what about the disease of " sameness " or > " normies disease " ? Symptoms: feeling " left out " of America's new-age >victimhood; not feeling like you have enough problems. I had heard of >something called " Humans Anonymous " (seriously) but I don't know if it ever >got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing? But how >would you hit bottom with " normalcy " ? They'd figure out a way, I'm sure. There was an Emotions Anonymous at one point. Even my pet mouse has emotions, so the door's pretty much wide open as far as I can tell. (I'm back, btw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 .. I had heard of something called "Humans Anonymous" (seriously) but I don't know if it ever got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing? But how would you hit bottom with "normalcy"? They'd figure out a way, I'm sure. This BB thumper I've been debating in ab.alcohol insists working the steps cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, & etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. Do the shrinks all know the cure is this simple? --Mona--(who is not sure Szasz is wrong, but who also knows purportedly mentally ill people who sure as hell do have some sort of serious problem) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 .. I had heard of something called "Humans Anonymous" (seriously) but I don't know if it ever got off the ground. And what was that whole HESHE Anonymous thing? But how would you hit bottom with "normalcy"? They'd figure out a way, I'm sure. This BB thumper I've been debating in ab.alcohol insists working the steps cures all mental illnesses. I've asked him whether, if that is so, then we had not better pray to HP that every bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic, OCD, & etc...becomes afflicted with alcoholism or drug addiction, so that they are given an opportunity to cure their mental illness by working the steps. Do the shrinks all know the cure is this simple? --Mona--(who is not sure Szasz is wrong, but who also knows purportedly mentally ill people who sure as hell do have some sort of serious problem) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten up, Dave Trippel), but one person (Cal?) hit the nail on the head: in UA, abstinence=gluttony. This is pretty Orwellian, folks. Special thanks to those who expressed concern for my health. Really, now that I have a diagnosis, I'm in pretty good shape. All I need to do at this point is binge on celery and grapes and occasionally throw in a little butter and sour cream for good measure. > > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and > my > > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that > ended > > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my > oncologist. > > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means > that > > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been > cut > > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's > the > > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps > apply? > > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my > doctors > > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you > not > > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much > like > > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent > three > > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal > weight. > > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > > after my initial surgery. > > > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't > guess > > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement > for > > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about > what > > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for > an > > under-eater? > > > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, > and > > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback > about > > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten up, Dave Trippel), but one person (Cal?) hit the nail on the head: in UA, abstinence=gluttony. This is pretty Orwellian, folks. Special thanks to those who expressed concern for my health. Really, now that I have a diagnosis, I'm in pretty good shape. All I need to do at this point is binge on celery and grapes and occasionally throw in a little butter and sour cream for good measure. > > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and > my > > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that > ended > > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my > oncologist. > > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means > that > > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been > cut > > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's > the > > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps > apply? > > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my > doctors > > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you > not > > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much > like > > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent > three > > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal > weight. > > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > > after my initial surgery. > > > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't > guess > > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement > for > > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about > what > > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for > an > > under-eater? > > > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, > and > > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback > about > > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 My thanks to all who answered. My idea was tongue in cheek (lighten up, Dave Trippel), but one person (Cal?) hit the nail on the head: in UA, abstinence=gluttony. This is pretty Orwellian, folks. Special thanks to those who expressed concern for my health. Really, now that I have a diagnosis, I'm in pretty good shape. All I need to do at this point is binge on celery and grapes and occasionally throw in a little butter and sour cream for good measure. > > Last November I began experiencing severe pain in my shoulder and > my > > doctor decided I probably had metastatic bone cancer (I have had > > cancer three times in my life). This sent me on a journey that > ended > > today, when I was definitively declared cancer free by my > oncologist. > > I'm kind of annoyed that I've been in pretty severe pain for seven > > months, but no one offered to relieve it until I had a firm > > diagnosis. But naturally I'm relieved that I don't have cancer. > > Instead I have a condition called avascular necrosis, which means > that > > the bone in my shoulder is dying because the blood supply has been > cut > > off. (Why? Who knows.) > > > > This may seem to have little to do with the 12 steps, but here's > the > > question I ask myself about it -- I've lost 16 pounds since this > > oddysey began, and I can ill afford it. There's been a lot of talk > > lately about OA, but is the a UA? (Undereaters Anonymous.) I have > > always stopped eating when I am stressed, and I guess that's the > > opposite of what most people do. But how would the 12 steps > apply? > > (I am not anorexic, by the way.) > > > > After I had my initial major surgery, I lost 18 pounds, and my > doctors > > were very worried. It took three years for me to gain back those > > pounds, and I only did it by eating all the stuff people tell you > not > > to touch. I love vegetables and fruits and salads, I don't much > like > > meat, and I am not fond of desserts. I don't snack. So I spent > three > > years eating blue cheese on my salads and sour cream on my baked > > potatoes. I just took the opportunity to eat any fat that I could > > combine with my normal diet. And eventually I regained my normal > > weight. And then I gained a good ten pounds over my normal > weight. > > So I started cutting out the fatty stuff and so forth, and now I've > > gone too far in the other direction. I'm almost as light as I was > > after my initial surgery. > > > > Usually when I tell people this stuff they are not too sympathetic, > > since most people in the US tend to be overweight. I wouldn't > guess > > that people in OA would be very sympathetic. But the image of an > > Undereaters Anonymous just blows apart the whole 12 step movement > for > > me, and proves how stupid it is. Someone recently posted about > what > > abstinence was for an over-eater -- what could it possibly be for > an > > under-eater? > > > > I know what I have to do to get the weight back, and I will do it, > and > > no one needs to worry about it. But I'd love to have feedback > about > > my Undereaters Anonymous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? Not that I know of -- haven't been to that forum in the last few days. But he is impossible, so don't expect any reasonable answer. Honestly, even most of the other AA think he is off the wall. --mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? Not that I know of -- haven't been to that forum in the last few days. But he is impossible, so don't expect any reasonable answer. Honestly, even most of the other AA think he is off the wall. --mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 Has the BB thumper come up with an answer yet? Not that I know of -- haven't been to that forum in the last few days. But he is impossible, so don't expect any reasonable answer. Honestly, even most of the other AA think he is off the wall. --mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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