Re: Several Things......

August 10, 2000

>I do not think a baby this young can learn to fall asleep on his own. I

>don't think a schedule is bad, but not being rigorous is what the goal

should

>be. All children thrive on routine, not necessarily schedules. Doing the

>same things around the same time is ok, but making a 9 week old baby go to

>bed at a certain time because of possible spoiling, which I don't believe

in,

>is ridiculous.

I agree here. I'm all for schedules, but not at 9 weeks. It's too early!

Love,

Mommy to since 10-5-98 and her sibling due 8-Who knows what day-00

jackpot@...

http://users.pld.com/jackpot/oneyear/oneyear.htm

August 10, 2000

5 shots at one time seems awful excessive to me!!! I'm sure it did to

baby as well! has gotten two at one time and that was awful

enough (for both of us!).

The new vaccine is one that's we've looked into as well - our ped.

raves about it. I hesitated because I've read studies that link over

protected out kids from bugs can harm the immune system by not allowing

the system to rev up and get working. THe link was between increasing

allergies in children as we've come to protect them from evey bug we

can.

I don't have to decide on the new vacc. until 's next visit (about

a month away) - please let me know if you find any good objective info

about it!

--- BRad Comer wrote:

> I was at the pediatrician yesterday and wanted to comment on some

> things:

>

> Vaccinations: I actually got mad yesterday over this and cried when

> they shot my son! :-( I have 3 teenage sons and at the most, they

> were given 2 shots at once.......my baby got 4 shots in the thighs

> yesterday and would have gotten a 5th if I had not gotten my husband

> to

> agree to atleast research this new one before giving it to Dean. I

> was

> outraged!!! Doesn't this seem excessive to anyone else but me?

> Anyone

> know anything about the new shot called " pneumococcal conjugate "

> vaccine?

>

> Cradle Cap: The doc yesterday actually told me to take some Selsun

> Blue

> shampoo, straight from the bottle, and wipe it on my babys head and

> forehead and then wash his hair for his cradle cap. Or to use

> another

> chemical, the fungal stuff for like athletes foot and stuff, on his

> facial skin for the cradle cap that sometimes gets on their faces.

> WHAT THE !@#$%^ & * ?!?!?!?! I sat there listening and couldn't

> believe what I was hearing. Needless to say, I did NOT go buy

> either

> of those products for Dean. I did however ask the doctor how he felt

> about more natural products like the Herbs for Kids " Craddle Cap/Skin

> Support " oil I have and he basically said he didn't know much about

> " natural stuff " but it was ok to try as long as it didn't cause any

> harm. Well, I tried it last nite, and there was still some flaking

> on

> the sheets last nite in the babys bed, but I wouldn't expect it to go

> away over nite and even the doc himself said the selsun blue wouldn't

> work overnite.

>

> Sleeping Habits: The doc wants me to put Dean (9 weeks old tomorrow)

> on

> a sleeping habit/pattern. He wants me to bathe him right before he

> goes to bed, to put the same music on for him to hear, to pull him

> off

> the breast before he falls asleep, to put him in his bed so he can

> make

> himself fall asleep, and do all this at the same time everynite. He

> thinks that if I don't do this, Dean will become spoiled in a few

> months

> and will keep the family up all nite, atleast thats the way I

> understood

> it. I do NOT believe that a baby at his age should be put on a

> sleeping schedule and I didn't appreciate his attitude. How does

> everyone else feel about what he told me?

>

> Rene'

>

=====

Soyster

Owner, Soyster's Baby Boutique

http://babyboutique.safeshopper.com

__________________________________________________

August 10, 2000

5 shots at one time seems awful excessive to me!!! I'm sure it did to

baby as well! has gotten two at one time and that was awful

enough (for both of us!).

The new vaccine is one that's we've looked into as well - our ped.

raves about it. I hesitated because I've read studies that link over

protected out kids from bugs can harm the immune system by not allowing

the system to rev up and get working. THe link was between increasing

allergies in children as we've come to protect them from evey bug we

can.

I don't have to decide on the new vacc. until 's next visit (about

a month away) - please let me know if you find any good objective info

about it!

--- BRad Comer wrote:

> I was at the pediatrician yesterday and wanted to comment on some

> things:

>

> Vaccinations: I actually got mad yesterday over this and cried when

> they shot my son! :-( I have 3 teenage sons and at the most, they

> were given 2 shots at once.......my baby got 4 shots in the thighs

> yesterday and would have gotten a 5th if I had not gotten my husband

> to

> agree to atleast research this new one before giving it to Dean. I

> was

> outraged!!! Doesn't this seem excessive to anyone else but me?

> Anyone

> know anything about the new shot called " pneumococcal conjugate "

> vaccine?

>

> Cradle Cap: The doc yesterday actually told me to take some Selsun

> Blue

> shampoo, straight from the bottle, and wipe it on my babys head and

> forehead and then wash his hair for his cradle cap. Or to use

> another

> chemical, the fungal stuff for like athletes foot and stuff, on his

> facial skin for the cradle cap that sometimes gets on their faces.

> WHAT THE !@#$%^ & * ?!?!?!?! I sat there listening and couldn't

> believe what I was hearing. Needless to say, I did NOT go buy

> either

> of those products for Dean. I did however ask the doctor how he felt

> about more natural products like the Herbs for Kids " Craddle Cap/Skin

> Support " oil I have and he basically said he didn't know much about

> " natural stuff " but it was ok to try as long as it didn't cause any

> harm. Well, I tried it last nite, and there was still some flaking

> on

> the sheets last nite in the babys bed, but I wouldn't expect it to go

> away over nite and even the doc himself said the selsun blue wouldn't

> work overnite.

>

> Sleeping Habits: The doc wants me to put Dean (9 weeks old tomorrow)

> on

> a sleeping habit/pattern. He wants me to bathe him right before he

> goes to bed, to put the same music on for him to hear, to pull him

> off

> the breast before he falls asleep, to put him in his bed so he can

> make

> himself fall asleep, and do all this at the same time everynite. He

> thinks that if I don't do this, Dean will become spoiled in a few

> months

> and will keep the family up all nite, atleast thats the way I

> understood

> it. I do NOT believe that a baby at his age should be put on a

> sleeping schedule and I didn't appreciate his attitude. How does

> everyone else feel about what he told me?

>

> Rene'

>

=====

Soyster

Owner, Soyster's Baby Boutique

http://babyboutique.safeshopper.com

__________________________________________________

August 10, 2000

5 shots at one time seems awful excessive to me!!! I'm sure it did to

baby as well! has gotten two at one time and that was awful

enough (for both of us!).

The new vaccine is one that's we've looked into as well - our ped.

raves about it. I hesitated because I've read studies that link over

protected out kids from bugs can harm the immune system by not allowing

the system to rev up and get working. THe link was between increasing

allergies in children as we've come to protect them from evey bug we

can.

I don't have to decide on the new vacc. until 's next visit (about

a month away) - please let me know if you find any good objective info

about it!

--- BRad Comer wrote:

> I was at the pediatrician yesterday and wanted to comment on some

> things:

>

> Vaccinations: I actually got mad yesterday over this and cried when

> they shot my son! :-( I have 3 teenage sons and at the most, they

> were given 2 shots at once.......my baby got 4 shots in the thighs

> yesterday and would have gotten a 5th if I had not gotten my husband

> to

> agree to atleast research this new one before giving it to Dean. I

> was

> outraged!!! Doesn't this seem excessive to anyone else but me?

> Anyone

> know anything about the new shot called " pneumococcal conjugate "

> vaccine?

>

> Cradle Cap: The doc yesterday actually told me to take some Selsun

> Blue

> shampoo, straight from the bottle, and wipe it on my babys head and

> forehead and then wash his hair for his cradle cap. Or to use

> another

> chemical, the fungal stuff for like athletes foot and stuff, on his

> facial skin for the cradle cap that sometimes gets on their faces.

> WHAT THE !@#$%^ & * ?!?!?!?! I sat there listening and couldn't

> believe what I was hearing. Needless to say, I did NOT go buy

> either

> of those products for Dean. I did however ask the doctor how he felt

> about more natural products like the Herbs for Kids " Craddle Cap/Skin

> Support " oil I have and he basically said he didn't know much about

> " natural stuff " but it was ok to try as long as it didn't cause any

> harm. Well, I tried it last nite, and there was still some flaking

> on

> the sheets last nite in the babys bed, but I wouldn't expect it to go

> away over nite and even the doc himself said the selsun blue wouldn't

> work overnite.

>

> Sleeping Habits: The doc wants me to put Dean (9 weeks old tomorrow)

> on

> a sleeping habit/pattern. He wants me to bathe him right before he

> goes to bed, to put the same music on for him to hear, to pull him

> off

> the breast before he falls asleep, to put him in his bed so he can

> make

> himself fall asleep, and do all this at the same time everynite. He

> thinks that if I don't do this, Dean will become spoiled in a few

> months

> and will keep the family up all nite, atleast thats the way I

> understood

> it. I do NOT believe that a baby at his age should be put on a

> sleeping schedule and I didn't appreciate his attitude. How does

> everyone else feel about what he told me?

>

> Rene'

>

=====

Soyster

Owner, Soyster's Baby Boutique

http://babyboutique.safeshopper.com

__________________________________________________

August 10, 2000

Sleeping Habits: The doc wants me to put Dean (9 weeks old tomorrow) ona sleeping habit/pattern. He wants me to bathe him right before hegoes to bed, to put the same music on for him to hear, to pull him offthe breast before he falls asleep, to put him in his bed so he can makehimself fall asleep, and do all this at the same time everynite. Hethinks that if I don't do this, Dean will become spoiled in a few monthsand will keep the family up all nite, atleast thats the way I understoodit. I do NOT believe that a baby at his age should be put on asleeping schedule and I didn't appreciate his attitude. How doeseveryone else feel about what he told me?Rene'

I do not feel that a baby has to be put on a schedule OR learn to fall asleep on his own, I do not beleive in sleep training a child. We family bed with our youngest girls, Kelsey 22 months and Emma 8 weeks. We always lay with Kelsey til she falls asleep in her toddler bed or our bed. Sometimes she sleeps in her bed all night, sometimes she crawls in with us for the night. Whatever helps her sleep the best is fine with me.

Emma is nursing on demand, although she already sleeps through the night. We have our crib right against aour bed and beween the wall with the side off, and her bassinet inside. I bring her into bed to nurse and often fall asleep with her in my arm....so snuggly for her!

This works great for us and we love having the babies close to us!

In Love,~- Mama to Amy, Leah, Kelsey and baby Emma~Wife to My Loving Husband Phil

~Mothering creates a lifetime of memories~

August 10, 2000

Sleeping Habits: The doc wants me to put Dean (9 weeks old tomorrow) ona sleeping habit/pattern. He wants me to bathe him right before hegoes to bed, to put the same music on for him to hear, to pull him offthe breast before he falls asleep, to put him in his bed so he can makehimself fall asleep, and do all this at the same time everynite. Hethinks that if I don't do this, Dean will become spoiled in a few monthsand will keep the family up all nite, atleast thats the way I understoodit. I do NOT believe that a baby at his age should be put on asleeping schedule and I didn't appreciate his attitude. How doeseveryone else feel about what he told me?Rene'

I do not feel that a baby has to be put on a schedule OR learn to fall asleep on his own, I do not beleive in sleep training a child. We family bed with our youngest girls, Kelsey 22 months and Emma 8 weeks. We always lay with Kelsey til she falls asleep in her toddler bed or our bed. Sometimes she sleeps in her bed all night, sometimes she crawls in with us for the night. Whatever helps her sleep the best is fine with me.

Emma is nursing on demand, although she already sleeps through the night. We have our crib right against aour bed and beween the wall with the side off, and her bassinet inside. I bring her into bed to nurse and often fall asleep with her in my arm....so snuggly for her!

This works great for us and we love having the babies close to us!

In Love,~- Mama to Amy, Leah, Kelsey and baby Emma~Wife to My Loving Husband Phil

~Mothering creates a lifetime of memories~

August 10, 2000

Sleeping Habits: The doc wants me to put Dean (9 weeks old tomorrow) ona sleeping habit/pattern. He wants me to bathe him right before hegoes to bed, to put the same music on for him to hear, to pull him offthe breast before he falls asleep, to put him in his bed so he can makehimself fall asleep, and do all this at the same time everynite. Hethinks that if I don't do this, Dean will become spoiled in a few monthsand will keep the family up all nite, atleast thats the way I understoodit. I do NOT believe that a baby at his age should be put on asleeping schedule and I didn't appreciate his attitude. How doeseveryone else feel about what he told me?Rene'

I do not feel that a baby has to be put on a schedule OR learn to fall asleep on his own, I do not beleive in sleep training a child. We family bed with our youngest girls, Kelsey 22 months and Emma 8 weeks. We always lay with Kelsey til she falls asleep in her toddler bed or our bed. Sometimes she sleeps in her bed all night, sometimes she crawls in with us for the night. Whatever helps her sleep the best is fine with me.

Emma is nursing on demand, although she already sleeps through the night. We have our crib right against aour bed and beween the wall with the side off, and her bassinet inside. I bring her into bed to nurse and often fall asleep with her in my arm....so snuggly for her!

This works great for us and we love having the babies close to us!

In Love,~- Mama to Amy, Leah, Kelsey and baby Emma~Wife to My Loving Husband Phil

~Mothering creates a lifetime of memories~

August 10, 2000

I think if you leave a child to cry itself out to sleep that is spoinling them cause just like a gallon of milk your leaving it there to become spoiled instead of putting it where it belongs, in the fridge!! Babies belong at our breasts and in our arms when they need food or comfort.

Well spoken!!!!!!

In Love,~- Mama to Amy, Leah, Kelsey and baby Emma~Wife to My Loving Husband Phil

~Mothering creates a lifetime of memories~

August 10, 2000

I think if you leave a child to cry itself out to sleep that is spoinling them cause just like a gallon of milk your leaving it there to become spoiled instead of putting it where it belongs, in the fridge!! Babies belong at our breasts and in our arms when they need food or comfort.

Well spoken!!!!!!

In Love,~- Mama to Amy, Leah, Kelsey and baby Emma~Wife to My Loving Husband Phil

~Mothering creates a lifetime of memories~

August 10, 2000

I think if you leave a child to cry itself out to sleep that is spoinling them cause just like a gallon of milk your leaving it there to become spoiled instead of putting it where it belongs, in the fridge!! Babies belong at our breasts and in our arms when they need food or comfort.

Well spoken!!!!!!

In Love,~- Mama to Amy, Leah, Kelsey and baby Emma~Wife to My Loving Husband Phil

~Mothering creates a lifetime of memories~

August 10, 2000

Okay, I've been keping quiet lately but I had to respond to this post.

Here goes:

BRad Comer wrote:

> I was at the pediatrician yesterday and wanted to comment on some

> things:

>

> Vaccinations: I actually got mad yesterday over this and cried when

> they shot my son! :-( I have 3 teenage sons and at the most, they

> were given 2 shots at once.......my baby got 4 shots in the thighs

> yesterday and would have gotten a 5th if I had not gotten my husband to

> agree to atleast research this new one before giving it to Dean. I was

> outraged!!! Doesn't this seem excessive to anyone else but me? Anyone

> know anything about the new shot called " pneumococcal conjugate "

> vaccine?

>

You are the parent, you tell the doctor how many shots your baby gets. You

can always go back in a month , and get the next round, if you choose. At

my son's eighteen month visit last week, he had two shots. They wanted to

do three, I said no, and we're going back in a month for the third. If you

know you don't want more than two at a time, say so. Don't ask if it would

be okay, just tell them.

The pneumococcal conjugate vaccine is fairly new -- was in the

vaccine trials for this vax through Children's Hospital here in Boston --

and it is the third one we're going back for in a month.

> Cradle Cap: The doc yesterday actually told me to take some Selsun Blue

> shampoo, straight from the bottle, and wipe it on my babys head and

> forehead and then wash his hair for his cradle cap. Or to use another

> chemical, the fungal stuff for like athletes foot and stuff, on his

> facial skin for the cradle cap that sometimes gets on their faces.

> WHAT THE !@#$%^ & * ?!?!?!?!

Selsum Blue is often recommended for cradle cap and I have heard it works,

which makes sense, since dry skin causes dandruff and probably cradle cap,

too. Just be careful not to get it in his eyes. I always found a few

drops of baby oil in the evening worked great, then a shampoo in the

morning.

>

> Sleeping Habits: The doc wants me to put Dean (9 weeks old tomorrow) on

> a sleeping habit/pattern. He wants me to bathe him right before he

> goes to bed, to put the same music on for him to hear, to pull him off

> the breast before he falls asleep, to put him in his bed so he can make

> himself fall asleep, and do all this at the same time everynite. He

> thinks that if I don't do this, Dean will become spoiled in a few months

> and will keep the family up all nite, atleast thats the way I understood

> it. I do NOT believe that a baby at his age should be put on a

> sleeping schedule and I didn't appreciate his attitude. How does

> everyone else feel about what he told me?

I am sorry that there are docs out there who are so misinformed about

infancy and child development. You cannot spoil a baby. I think when he

is older you can implement some of these ideas -- they are tried and true

and not inherently harmful -- but at nine weeks I would just follow Dean's

cues and feed him whenever he wants and let him sleep whenever.

People have different views on sleep and children. My children do not

sleep with me, they sleep all night in their own beds. They each sleep for

about 11 hours, straight, every night and this works for us. I did try to

lead them towards this behavior by doing some of what your doc suggested,

but not until they were considerably older, like over six months. And even

then, I followed their cures -- if they weren't tired for some reason, I

didn't push it -- I let them tell me when they were tired and ready for

bed. I didn't let them cry, but I did try to put them in their beds before

they were deeply asleep, so they could experience falling asleep in their

cribs. Now eighteen month old has lots of stories, a long nursing

session, and when he is sleepy and relaxed I put him in his bed. I stay

with him for a minute and rub his tummy, and then he rolls over on his side

and falls asleep. With a tummy full of breast milk and a sleepy

half-smile on his face he looks like the most peaceful and content little

angel.

If you do not like your docs advice or attitude, I would suggest finding

another one. This is only the beginning of your relationship with him.

Margaret

August 10, 2000