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Kishline went to treatment, voluntarily I believe, after her arrest,

and subsequently pleaded guilty. She is serving four years, which is

the maximum she can apparently receive under Washington law for a

first offense and a guilty plea.

It would be very hard to be Audrey Kishline.

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Kishline went to treatment, voluntarily I believe, after her arrest,

and subsequently pleaded guilty. She is serving four years, which is

the maximum she can apparently receive under Washington law for a

first offense and a guilty plea.

It would be very hard to be Audrey Kishline.

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Where can I read about the Audrey Fishline story?

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> Kishline went to treatment, voluntarily I believe, after her arrest,

> and subsequently pleaded guilty. She is serving four years, which is

> the maximum she can apparently receive under Washington law for a

> first offense and a guilty plea.

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Where can I read about the Audrey Fishline story?

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> Kishline went to treatment, voluntarily I believe, after her arrest,

> and subsequently pleaded guilty. She is serving four years, which is

> the maximum she can apparently receive under Washington law for a

> first offense and a guilty plea.

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> It would be very hard to be Audrey Kishline.

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Where can I read about the Audrey Fishline story?

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> Kishline went to treatment, voluntarily I believe, after her arrest,

> and subsequently pleaded guilty. She is serving four years, which is

> the maximum she can apparently receive under Washington law for a

> first offense and a guilty plea.

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> It would be very hard to be Audrey Kishline.

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At 02:40 PM 5/5/01 -0400, Mike wrote:

>Where can I read about the Audrey Fishline story?

It's Audrey Kishline, with a K. If you put that name into any search

engine, especially looking for news stories you're sure to get lots of hits.

On Stanton Peele's site, there are several links about here:

<http://www.peele.net/map.html>. One of them is the introduction, written

by Peele, to Kishline's book " Moderate Drinking " (not " Moderation

Management " as I previously posted).

Here's a small collection of stories, and Jack Trimply's commentary (it's

quite clear he's intolerant of the moderate drinking idea):

<http://www.rational.org/Moderationl.madness.html>

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At 02:40 PM 5/5/01 -0400, Mike wrote:

>Where can I read about the Audrey Fishline story?

It's Audrey Kishline, with a K. If you put that name into any search

engine, especially looking for news stories you're sure to get lots of hits.

On Stanton Peele's site, there are several links about here:

<http://www.peele.net/map.html>. One of them is the introduction, written

by Peele, to Kishline's book " Moderate Drinking " (not " Moderation

Management " as I previously posted).

Here's a small collection of stories, and Jack Trimply's commentary (it's

quite clear he's intolerant of the moderate drinking idea):

<http://www.rational.org/Moderationl.madness.html>

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This post (except quoted portions) Copyright 2001, Ben Bradley.

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At 02:40 PM 5/5/01 -0400, Mike wrote:

>Where can I read about the Audrey Fishline story?

It's Audrey Kishline, with a K. If you put that name into any search

engine, especially looking for news stories you're sure to get lots of hits.

On Stanton Peele's site, there are several links about here:

<http://www.peele.net/map.html>. One of them is the introduction, written

by Peele, to Kishline's book " Moderate Drinking " (not " Moderation

Management " as I previously posted).

Here's a small collection of stories, and Jack Trimply's commentary (it's

quite clear he's intolerant of the moderate drinking idea):

<http://www.rational.org/Moderationl.madness.html>

-----

This post (except quoted portions) Copyright 2001, Ben Bradley.

http://listen.to/benbradley

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> > Where can I read about the Audrey Fishline story?

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> This is taken from 's site.

> http://www.aahorror.net/articles_links.htm#Kishline

I was just reading some of the info on Kishline from 's site

and noticed this neat piece from Dave:

" gargantuan TitAAnic (looks like the supertanker in Waterworld). "

Even those of you who have seen Waterworld may not have noticed that

the supertanker in waterworld was the Exxon Valdez. Also there was a

short clip where Dennis Hopper of the Smokers pays tribute to Joe

Hazelwood; there is a picture of Joe on a wall on the ship.

Hazelwood, as most of you will recall, supposedly had only three

drinks before grounding the Exxon Valdez on a hard reef in the

pristine waters of Alaska's Prince 's Sound in the late 1980's.

This resulted in the most damaging oil spill in history.

I'm still working two jobs, but my day work is winding down with the

finalizing of our last two cement ponds of the season coming this

week. Then I'll have lots of computer time for the next month or so

and I have not changed my plans for Coercion Watch. With the computer

time I have had recently I have been getting some things off my chest

on the Coast Guard Point-CounterPoint forum at military.com, and have

not been able to keep up with all the messages at 12sf. Hope this

link takes, as yahoo has not accepted long links well, but here was my

last thread over at military.com-- " Joe Hazelwood and Alcoholics

Anonymous "

http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y & a=tpc & s=78919038 & f=41519780

2 & m=7581921402

I also had three other related threads over there.

Tommy

http://www.angelfire.com/journal/forcedaa/

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> > Where can I read about the Audrey Fishline story?

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> This is taken from 's site.

> http://www.aahorror.net/articles_links.htm#Kishline

I was just reading some of the info on Kishline from 's site

and noticed this neat piece from Dave:

" gargantuan TitAAnic (looks like the supertanker in Waterworld). "

Even those of you who have seen Waterworld may not have noticed that

the supertanker in waterworld was the Exxon Valdez. Also there was a

short clip where Dennis Hopper of the Smokers pays tribute to Joe

Hazelwood; there is a picture of Joe on a wall on the ship.

Hazelwood, as most of you will recall, supposedly had only three

drinks before grounding the Exxon Valdez on a hard reef in the

pristine waters of Alaska's Prince 's Sound in the late 1980's.

This resulted in the most damaging oil spill in history.

I'm still working two jobs, but my day work is winding down with the

finalizing of our last two cement ponds of the season coming this

week. Then I'll have lots of computer time for the next month or so

and I have not changed my plans for Coercion Watch. With the computer

time I have had recently I have been getting some things off my chest

on the Coast Guard Point-CounterPoint forum at military.com, and have

not been able to keep up with all the messages at 12sf. Hope this

link takes, as yahoo has not accepted long links well, but here was my

last thread over at military.com-- " Joe Hazelwood and Alcoholics

Anonymous "

http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y & a=tpc & s=78919038 & f=41519780

2 & m=7581921402

I also had three other related threads over there.

Tommy

http://www.angelfire.com/journal/forcedaa/

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Anyway, had the link worked it would have taken you directly to the

initial post. Here it is:

The following is taken from the May 11, 1994 edition of the Anchorage

Daily News. It's no wonder the Coast Guard is hell-bent on sending

people to AA, considering how well it " works " . And to think I have

been accused of " not listening " .

" ANCHORAGE- For the first time since he radioed that the Exxon Valdez

had " fetched up hard aground " on Bligh Reef five years ago, Capt. Joe

Hazelwood on Tuesday began his public reckoning of his role in the

disaster and of his bouts with alcohol. Speaking as one of the first

witnesses called by the attorneys suing him and Exxon in U.S. District

Court, Hazelwood described the two-faced life he led during the years

leading up to the spill: drinking at sea, a member of Alcoholics

Anonymous at home. "

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Anyway, had the link worked it would have taken you directly to the

initial post. Here it is:

The following is taken from the May 11, 1994 edition of the Anchorage

Daily News. It's no wonder the Coast Guard is hell-bent on sending

people to AA, considering how well it " works " . And to think I have

been accused of " not listening " .

" ANCHORAGE- For the first time since he radioed that the Exxon Valdez

had " fetched up hard aground " on Bligh Reef five years ago, Capt. Joe

Hazelwood on Tuesday began his public reckoning of his role in the

disaster and of his bouts with alcohol. Speaking as one of the first

witnesses called by the attorneys suing him and Exxon in U.S. District

Court, Hazelwood described the two-faced life he led during the years

leading up to the spill: drinking at sea, a member of Alcoholics

Anonymous at home. "

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Anyway, had the link worked it would have taken you directly to the

initial post. Here it is:

The following is taken from the May 11, 1994 edition of the Anchorage

Daily News. It's no wonder the Coast Guard is hell-bent on sending

people to AA, considering how well it " works " . And to think I have

been accused of " not listening " .

" ANCHORAGE- For the first time since he radioed that the Exxon Valdez

had " fetched up hard aground " on Bligh Reef five years ago, Capt. Joe

Hazelwood on Tuesday began his public reckoning of his role in the

disaster and of his bouts with alcohol. Speaking as one of the first

witnesses called by the attorneys suing him and Exxon in U.S. District

Court, Hazelwood described the two-faced life he led during the years

leading up to the spill: drinking at sea, a member of Alcoholics

Anonymous at home. "

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Never heard of Audrey Kishline. Who is she?

She is founder of Moderation Management, a support group for those who choose attempting to moderate their use of alcohol over abstinence. About a year ago she drove incredibly drunk, and killed a man and his 12-year-old daughter. She is currently in prison.

--Mona--

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Never heard of Audrey Kishline. Who is she?

She is founder of Moderation Management, a support group for those who choose attempting to moderate their use of alcohol over abstinence. About a year ago she drove incredibly drunk, and killed a man and his 12-year-old daughter. She is currently in prison.

--Mona--

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Never heard of Audrey Kishline. Who is she?

She is founder of Moderation Management, a support group for those who choose attempting to moderate their use of alcohol over abstinence. About a year ago she drove incredibly drunk, and killed a man and his 12-year-old daughter. She is currently in prison.

--Mona--

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Tommy:

For the link Click Here

- Re: Addoction Is a Choice"---Anyway, had the link worked it would have taken you directly to the-initial post. Here it is:

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Tommy:

For the link Click Here

- Re: Addoction Is a Choice"---Anyway, had the link worked it would have taken you directly to the-initial post. Here it is:

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Prior to being involved in the accident she had given up allretense at

drinking in moderation and was once more drinking alcoholically, or

abusively, whichever description you prefer.

>From: MonaHolland@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-free

>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: Re: Addoction Is a Choice "

>Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 23:54:42 EDT

>

>In a message dated 5/5/01 5:31:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ghhws1@...

>writes:

>

>

> > Never heard of Audrey Kishline. Who is she?

>

>She is founder of Moderation Management, a support group for those who

>choose

>attempting to moderate their use of alcohol over abstinence. About a year

>ago she drove incredibly drunk, and killed a man and his 12-year-old

>daughter. She is currently in prison.

>

>--Mona--

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Prior to being involved in the accident she had given up allretense at

drinking in moderation and was once more drinking alcoholically, or

abusively, whichever description you prefer.

>From: MonaHolland@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-free

>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: Re: Addoction Is a Choice "

>Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 23:54:42 EDT

>

>In a message dated 5/5/01 5:31:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ghhws1@...

>writes:

>

>

> > Never heard of Audrey Kishline. Who is she?

>

>She is founder of Moderation Management, a support group for those who

>choose

>attempting to moderate their use of alcohol over abstinence. About a year

>ago she drove incredibly drunk, and killed a man and his 12-year-old

>daughter. She is currently in prison.

>

>--Mona--

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Prior to being involved in the accident she had given up allretense at

drinking in moderation and was once more drinking alcoholically, or

abusively, whichever description you prefer.

>From: MonaHolland@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-free

>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: Re: Addoction Is a Choice "

>Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 23:54:42 EDT

>

>In a message dated 5/5/01 5:31:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ghhws1@...

>writes:

>

>

> > Never heard of Audrey Kishline. Who is she?

>

>She is founder of Moderation Management, a support group for those who

>choose

>attempting to moderate their use of alcohol over abstinence. About a year

>ago she drove incredibly drunk, and killed a man and his 12-year-old

>daughter. She is currently in prison.

>

>--Mona--

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