Re: Fibro and Fatigue Centers

[Guest guest]

> We have been discussing Cortef (cortisol) use on one of these forums

> recently, and gave the link for Teitelbaum, endfatigue, which

> had a link for these Fibro and Fatigue Centers,

> www.fibroandfatigue.com

>

> I did alot of reading there today, and it sounds like they get it, a

> multi-faceted approach, including balancing all hormones,

> investigating infections/viruses, and getting to the bottom of things.

> They mention toxins, but don't say how they deal with them,

They won't tell you on the phone either what they do for mercury. They

people I talked to told me " they didn't know " ...

> but as far as balancing hormones they really seem to get it,

> especially the thyroid stuff, and the pituitary and hypothalamus

> connection and having standard tests that " look normal " .

>

> Anyway, since I haven't found a good hormone doctor to help with

> thyroid/adrenal stuff yet, and since my intuition tells me I may have

> an underlying virus/infection issue, I might check these guys out. Of

> course there isn't a center near me, so it would involve travel, so

> it's not something that will happen tomorrow, and I will have to

> investigate the cost of it all.

Very expensive.....

> So I would appreciate any feedback on this, either just from reading

> the site or if anybody has been to one of these centers or knows

> somebody who has.

Gikas, but I don't know if she is posting a lot just now. You

might try and drop her a line and ask. SHe was all gung ho on them, but

ended up being somewhat disappointed in the end. I think her bottom

line feeling was that they are good for somebody who doesn't know

anything about balancing hormones or toxicity, but for folks who are

already invovled in these forums and working with mercury toxicity, she

seemed to feel they had not much more to offer. Well, I shouldn't speak

for her..ask about her experience and why she quit going.

Inga

[Guest guest]

Thanks Inga. I'll try emailing directly, and when I get time, I'll

search for old postings about it from her.

Jackie T.

Re: Fibro and Fatigue Centers

> We have been discussing Cortef (cortisol) use on one of these forums

> recently, and gave the link for Teitelbaum, endfatigue, which

> had a link for these Fibro and Fatigue Centers,

> www.fibroandfatigue.com

>

> I did alot of reading there today, and it sounds like they get it, a

> multi-faceted approach, including balancing all hormones,

> investigating infections/viruses, and getting to the bottom of things.

> They mention toxins, but don't say how they deal with them,

They won't tell you on the phone either what they do for mercury. They

people I talked to told me " they didn't know " ...

> but as far as balancing hormones they really seem to get it,

> especially the thyroid stuff, and the pituitary and hypothalamus

> connection and having standard tests that " look normal " .

>

> Anyway, since I haven't found a good hormone doctor to help with

> thyroid/adrenal stuff yet, and since my intuition tells me I may have

> an underlying virus/infection issue, I might check these guys out. Of

> course there isn't a center near me, so it would involve travel, so

> it's not something that will happen tomorrow, and I will have to

> investigate the cost of it all.

Very expensive.....

> So I would appreciate any feedback on this, either just from reading

> the site or if anybody has been to one of these centers or knows

> somebody who has.

Gikas, but I don't know if she is posting a lot just now. You

might try and drop her a line and ask. SHe was all gung ho on them, but

ended up being somewhat disappointed in the end. I think her bottom

line feeling was that they are good for somebody who doesn't know

anything about balancing hormones or toxicity, but for folks who are

already invovled in these forums and working with mercury toxicity, she

seemed to feel they had not much more to offer. Well, I shouldn't speak

for her..ask about her experience and why she quit going.

Inga

[Guest guest]

Thanks Inga. I'll try emailing directly, and when I get time, I'll

search for old postings about it from her.

Jackie T.

Re: Fibro and Fatigue Centers

> We have been discussing Cortef (cortisol) use on one of these forums

> recently, and gave the link for Teitelbaum, endfatigue, which

> had a link for these Fibro and Fatigue Centers,

> www.fibroandfatigue.com

>

> I did alot of reading there today, and it sounds like they get it, a

> multi-faceted approach, including balancing all hormones,

> investigating infections/viruses, and getting to the bottom of things.

> They mention toxins, but don't say how they deal with them,

They won't tell you on the phone either what they do for mercury. They

people I talked to told me " they didn't know " ...

> but as far as balancing hormones they really seem to get it,

> especially the thyroid stuff, and the pituitary and hypothalamus

> connection and having standard tests that " look normal " .

>

> Anyway, since I haven't found a good hormone doctor to help with

> thyroid/adrenal stuff yet, and since my intuition tells me I may have

> an underlying virus/infection issue, I might check these guys out. Of

> course there isn't a center near me, so it would involve travel, so

> it's not something that will happen tomorrow, and I will have to

> investigate the cost of it all.

Very expensive.....

> So I would appreciate any feedback on this, either just from reading

> the site or if anybody has been to one of these centers or knows

> somebody who has.

Gikas, but I don't know if she is posting a lot just now. You

might try and drop her a line and ask. SHe was all gung ho on them, but

ended up being somewhat disappointed in the end. I think her bottom

line feeling was that they are good for somebody who doesn't know

anything about balancing hormones or toxicity, but for folks who are

already invovled in these forums and working with mercury toxicity, she

seemed to feel they had not much more to offer. Well, I shouldn't speak

for her..ask about her experience and why she quit going.

Inga

[Guest guest]

Thanks Inga. I'll try emailing directly, and when I get time, I'll

search for old postings about it from her.

Jackie T.

Re: Fibro and Fatigue Centers

> We have been discussing Cortef (cortisol) use on one of these forums

> recently, and gave the link for Teitelbaum, endfatigue, which

> had a link for these Fibro and Fatigue Centers,

> www.fibroandfatigue.com

>

> I did alot of reading there today, and it sounds like they get it, a

> multi-faceted approach, including balancing all hormones,

> investigating infections/viruses, and getting to the bottom of things.

> They mention toxins, but don't say how they deal with them,

They won't tell you on the phone either what they do for mercury. They

people I talked to told me " they didn't know " ...

> but as far as balancing hormones they really seem to get it,

> especially the thyroid stuff, and the pituitary and hypothalamus

> connection and having standard tests that " look normal " .

>

> Anyway, since I haven't found a good hormone doctor to help with

> thyroid/adrenal stuff yet, and since my intuition tells me I may have

> an underlying virus/infection issue, I might check these guys out. Of

> course there isn't a center near me, so it would involve travel, so

> it's not something that will happen tomorrow, and I will have to

> investigate the cost of it all.

Very expensive.....

> So I would appreciate any feedback on this, either just from reading

> the site or if anybody has been to one of these centers or knows

> somebody who has.

Gikas, but I don't know if she is posting a lot just now. You

might try and drop her a line and ask. SHe was all gung ho on them, but

ended up being somewhat disappointed in the end. I think her bottom

line feeling was that they are good for somebody who doesn't know

anything about balancing hormones or toxicity, but for folks who are

already invovled in these forums and working with mercury toxicity, she

seemed to feel they had not much more to offer. Well, I shouldn't speak

for her..ask about her experience and why she quit going.

Inga

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think it is possible that you might receive some additional

help. but for all the money you would need to spend.....

It depends on the person, I think. If you have already been researching

and studying Andy's material, and getting to understand hormone,s then

they may not have a lot more to offer, even though it is nice to talk

with somebody that has a clue. It also depends on your insurance. I

have Blue Cross Blue Shield, and with my detuctible, when I considered

how much it would cost to get there to begin treatment, well....it was

well over $2000 and probably closer to $3000, which included gas costs

down there and back, but didn't even begin address motels or anything

like that.

For me, it was definitley out of the questions. I think the only new

thing that learned was that her growth hormone levels were low..

It wold be interesting to hear what she would say about them now, a d

couple of months after the experience.

~Inga

> Thanks Inga, I emailed her personally. I would be very upset if I

> would waste thousands of dollars that I don't have, and not be happy

> with the outcome. Thank god for these groups!-------Jackie T.

>

> Re: Fibro and Fatigue Centers

>

> I am not certain if she made subsequent postings after her initial

> " Rah-rahs " about them.....I think you would be better off getting the

> newer information from her.....moight save you thoiusands of dollars.

>

> Apparently, she thought they were going to be her God send, and then

> later on refused to even go back to them....I don't want to say

> exactly

> why, because I might get some of the details wrong. Best get it from

> her....

>

> ~inga

>

>

>

> > Thanks Inga. I'll try emailing directly, and when I get time,

> > I'll search for old postings about it from her.

> >

> > Jackie T.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think it is possible that you might receive some additional

help. but for all the money you would need to spend.....

It depends on the person, I think. If you have already been researching

and studying Andy's material, and getting to understand hormone,s then

they may not have a lot more to offer, even though it is nice to talk

with somebody that has a clue. It also depends on your insurance. I

have Blue Cross Blue Shield, and with my detuctible, when I considered

how much it would cost to get there to begin treatment, well....it was

well over $2000 and probably closer to $3000, which included gas costs

down there and back, but didn't even begin address motels or anything

like that.

For me, it was definitley out of the questions. I think the only new

thing that learned was that her growth hormone levels were low..

It wold be interesting to hear what she would say about them now, a d

couple of months after the experience.

~Inga

> Thanks Inga, I emailed her personally. I would be very upset if I

> would waste thousands of dollars that I don't have, and not be happy

> with the outcome. Thank god for these groups!-------Jackie T.

>

> Re: Fibro and Fatigue Centers

>

> I am not certain if she made subsequent postings after her initial

> " Rah-rahs " about them.....I think you would be better off getting the

> newer information from her.....moight save you thoiusands of dollars.

>

> Apparently, she thought they were going to be her God send, and then

> later on refused to even go back to them....I don't want to say

> exactly

> why, because I might get some of the details wrong. Best get it from

> her....

>

> ~inga

>

>

>

> > Thanks Inga. I'll try emailing directly, and when I get time,

> > I'll search for old postings about it from her.

> >

> > Jackie T.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> What she did go on about is to get your growth hormone tested, IGF-1.

DirectLabs has a test for " IGF-1 SC Insulin-like Growth Factor " . Do

you think that's the same thing?

> Back to the Colostrum. I found that part very interesting, because

I started taking Colostrum back in January, to boost my immune system.

I felt an improvement right away after I started taking it. So maybe

I'm low in growth hormone too, and helped it without even knowing it!

What are you taking? I took the Heavy Metal Therapy:

http://heavymetaltherapy.com/colostrum.php

I think it was helpful for my dysbiosis, but I ran out and didn't get

more.

Speaking of expensive doctors, I saw one today. The good news is she

is only 15 minutes from my house and she did prescribe Armour and

Cortef for me with no qualms. She also likes to order Doctor's Data

tests for things that can't be done locally. In her lengthy

pre-appointment paperwork, I wrote that I was chelating and that I

wanted my thyroid treatment based on symptoms not TSH. She's ok with

that. (She even said she had some patients beyond the high end of the

range for T3 because that is what made them comfortable.) She wants

me to do a 6 or 12 hour DMSA challenge test (which I consider not very

worthwhile but mildly interesting), but is ok with just having it be

of a normal chelation round. She found what is probably a nodule in

my thyroid so I need to go get an ultrasound. I had a blood test for

Lyme's this afternoon. Tomorrow I go in to have 20+ vials of fasting

blood drawn for various tests. She also recommended a sleep study and

lots of various kinds of allergy testing. (Do most people think the

allergy testing is worthwhile? I'm tempted to postpone that until

I've done more chelation to see how much of that clears up on its

own.) I'm not sure where all this will lead. She gave me a big stack

of handouts and the few I've looked at give me some qualms. (e.g.

quotes from Mercola) She didn't order an RBC Elements test that I

asked for, just RBC magnesium. (I doubt insurance would cover that,

so it's no big deal if I just get it from Direct Labs.) I hope I get

something useful out of all of this rather than just spend a lot of

money. At least it is very local. My insurance said I didn't need

preapproval for any of it, but who knows what they will actually pay.

W.

[Guest guest]

> What she did go on about is to get your growth hormone tested, IGF-1.

DirectLabs has a test for " IGF-1 SC Insulin-like Growth Factor " . Do

you think that's the same thing?

> Back to the Colostrum. I found that part very interesting, because

I started taking Colostrum back in January, to boost my immune system.

I felt an improvement right away after I started taking it. So maybe

I'm low in growth hormone too, and helped it without even knowing it!

What are you taking? I took the Heavy Metal Therapy:

http://heavymetaltherapy.com/colostrum.php

I think it was helpful for my dysbiosis, but I ran out and didn't get

more.

Speaking of expensive doctors, I saw one today. The good news is she

is only 15 minutes from my house and she did prescribe Armour and

Cortef for me with no qualms. She also likes to order Doctor's Data

tests for things that can't be done locally. In her lengthy

pre-appointment paperwork, I wrote that I was chelating and that I

wanted my thyroid treatment based on symptoms not TSH. She's ok with

that. (She even said she had some patients beyond the high end of the

range for T3 because that is what made them comfortable.) She wants

me to do a 6 or 12 hour DMSA challenge test (which I consider not very

worthwhile but mildly interesting), but is ok with just having it be

of a normal chelation round. She found what is probably a nodule in

my thyroid so I need to go get an ultrasound. I had a blood test for

Lyme's this afternoon. Tomorrow I go in to have 20+ vials of fasting

blood drawn for various tests. She also recommended a sleep study and

lots of various kinds of allergy testing. (Do most people think the

allergy testing is worthwhile? I'm tempted to postpone that until

I've done more chelation to see how much of that clears up on its

own.) I'm not sure where all this will lead. She gave me a big stack

of handouts and the few I've looked at give me some qualms. (e.g.

quotes from Mercola) She didn't order an RBC Elements test that I

asked for, just RBC magnesium. (I doubt insurance would cover that,

so it's no big deal if I just get it from Direct Labs.) I hope I get

something useful out of all of this rather than just spend a lot of

money. At least it is very local. My insurance said I didn't need

preapproval for any of it, but who knows what they will actually pay.

W.

[Guest guest]

> What she did go on about is to get your growth hormone tested, IGF-1.

DirectLabs has a test for " IGF-1 SC Insulin-like Growth Factor " . Do

you think that's the same thing?

> Back to the Colostrum. I found that part very interesting, because

I started taking Colostrum back in January, to boost my immune system.

I felt an improvement right away after I started taking it. So maybe

I'm low in growth hormone too, and helped it without even knowing it!

What are you taking? I took the Heavy Metal Therapy:

http://heavymetaltherapy.com/colostrum.php

I think it was helpful for my dysbiosis, but I ran out and didn't get

more.

Speaking of expensive doctors, I saw one today. The good news is she

is only 15 minutes from my house and she did prescribe Armour and

Cortef for me with no qualms. She also likes to order Doctor's Data

tests for things that can't be done locally. In her lengthy

pre-appointment paperwork, I wrote that I was chelating and that I

wanted my thyroid treatment based on symptoms not TSH. She's ok with

that. (She even said she had some patients beyond the high end of the

range for T3 because that is what made them comfortable.) She wants

me to do a 6 or 12 hour DMSA challenge test (which I consider not very

worthwhile but mildly interesting), but is ok with just having it be

of a normal chelation round. She found what is probably a nodule in

my thyroid so I need to go get an ultrasound. I had a blood test for

Lyme's this afternoon. Tomorrow I go in to have 20+ vials of fasting

blood drawn for various tests. She also recommended a sleep study and

lots of various kinds of allergy testing. (Do most people think the

allergy testing is worthwhile? I'm tempted to postpone that until

I've done more chelation to see how much of that clears up on its

own.) I'm not sure where all this will lead. She gave me a big stack

of handouts and the few I've looked at give me some qualms. (e.g.

quotes from Mercola) She didn't order an RBC Elements test that I

asked for, just RBC magnesium. (I doubt insurance would cover that,

so it's no big deal if I just get it from Direct Labs.) I hope I get

something useful out of all of this rather than just spend a lot of

money. At least it is very local. My insurance said I didn't need

preapproval for any of it, but who knows what they will actually pay.

W.

[Guest guest]

> I realized that I don't think that I reported back to you guys on

> this. did say that they were very expensive and if you have

> learned alot on these boards already about thyroid/adrenal, etc.,

> that they probably wouldn't teach you much new. It would probably

> be much cheaper to find someone else locally to help with these

> issues. What she did go on about is to get your growth hormone

> tested, IGF-1. She said hers was quite low, and this was the only

> really new thing that they found. She was told to take Colostrum to

> raise this.

IIM------------I could be wrong but I think you may have this

incorrect, as I talked to a lot while she was going through

this process with them at FFC. The product is GAMMA GROW.

> I know they give injections for some things, and now I can't

> remember if she got any of those or not.

IIM--------------She got some growth hormone injections and reacted

very badly

> She said the injections are very expensive also. And part of how

> they make their money is requiring follow up visits, even if they

> are on the phone, to continue to get your prescriptions from them.

> She felt they were too much about the money, just her impression.

> So not that they didn't know what they were doing, she just feels

> they are very expensive and you could probably get help elsewhere

> much cheaper.

IIM---This was my impression as well from phone conversations I had

with them....like they were more of a cookie cutter system cranking

people through, and saying that it helped about 80% of the folks that

come there. When I asked about mercury, they didn't even know if and

how the doctors treated it.

>

> Back to the Colostrum. I found that part very interesting, because

> I started taking Colostrum back in January, to boost my immune

> system. I felt an improvement right away after I started taking it.

> So maybe I'm low in growth hormone too, and helped it without even

> knowing it!

>

IIM-------I didn't know about colostrum raising growth hormone, but I

have taken it in the past and also felt good on it.

~Inga

> Jackie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation , Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> I realized that I don't think that I reported back to you guys on

> this. did say that they were very expensive and if you have

> learned alot on these boards already about thyroid/adrenal, etc.,

> that they probably wouldn't teach you much new. It would probably

> be much cheaper to find someone else locally to help with these

> issues. What she did go on about is to get your growth hormone

> tested, IGF-1. She said hers was quite low, and this was the only

> really new thing that they found. She was told to take Colostrum to

> raise this.

IIM------------I could be wrong but I think you may have this

incorrect, as I talked to a lot while she was going through

this process with them at FFC. The product is GAMMA GROW.

========I don't recall her saying Gamma Grow, just Colostrum, so maybe that's

the main ingredient? I assume this is where she was told to take the Colostrum

to raise your growth hormone, but maybe I got this wrong. I was trying to jot

down notes as fast as I could!--------Jackie

> I know they give injections for some things, and now I can't

> remember if she got any of those or not.

IIM--------------She got some growth hormone injections and reacted

very badly

> She said the injections are very expensive also. And part of how

> they make their money is requiring follow up visits, even if they

> are on the phone, to continue to get your prescriptions from them.

> She felt they were too much about the money, just her impression.

> So not that they didn't know what they were doing, she just feels

> they are very expensive and you could probably get help elsewhere

> much cheaper.

IIM---This was my impression as well from phone conversations I had

with them....like they were more of a cookie cutter system cranking

people through, and saying that it helped about 80% of the folks that

come there. When I asked about mercury, they didn't even know if and

how the doctors treated it.

>

> Back to the Colostrum. I found that part very interesting, because

> I started taking Colostrum back in January, to boost my immune

> system. I felt an improvement right away after I started taking it.

> So maybe I'm low in growth hormone too, and helped it without even

> knowing it!

>

IIM-------I didn't know about colostrum raising growth hormone, but I

have taken it in the past and also felt good on it.

=========That's interesting/good to hear Inga. I would get sick quite often

after rounds of chelation, so I tried it to boost my immune system, and it

seemed to work. I felt I could chelate more often because I wasn't getting sick

between rounds as much. And I understood that it was a good immune booster,

because I grew up on a dairy farm, and my parents always said how important it

was for new calves to get the colostrum milk the first few days of their lives.

And it was one of the few supplements that I noticed something right away from,

so I know it did something good for me!---------Jackie T.

~Inga

> Jackie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation , Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> I realized that I don't think that I reported back to you guys on

> this. did say that they were very expensive and if you have

> learned alot on these boards already about thyroid/adrenal, etc.,

> that they probably wouldn't teach you much new. It would probably

> be much cheaper to find someone else locally to help with these

> issues. What she did go on about is to get your growth hormone

> tested, IGF-1. She said hers was quite low, and this was the only

> really new thing that they found. She was told to take Colostrum to

> raise this.

IIM------------I could be wrong but I think you may have this

incorrect, as I talked to a lot while she was going through

this process with them at FFC. The product is GAMMA GROW.

========I don't recall her saying Gamma Grow, just Colostrum, so maybe that's

the main ingredient? I assume this is where she was told to take the Colostrum

to raise your growth hormone, but maybe I got this wrong. I was trying to jot

down notes as fast as I could!--------Jackie

> I know they give injections for some things, and now I can't

> remember if she got any of those or not.

IIM--------------She got some growth hormone injections and reacted

very badly

> She said the injections are very expensive also. And part of how

> they make their money is requiring follow up visits, even if they

> are on the phone, to continue to get your prescriptions from them.

> She felt they were too much about the money, just her impression.

> So not that they didn't know what they were doing, she just feels

> they are very expensive and you could probably get help elsewhere

> much cheaper.

IIM---This was my impression as well from phone conversations I had

with them....like they were more of a cookie cutter system cranking

people through, and saying that it helped about 80% of the folks that

come there. When I asked about mercury, they didn't even know if and

how the doctors treated it.

>

> Back to the Colostrum. I found that part very interesting, because

> I started taking Colostrum back in January, to boost my immune

> system. I felt an improvement right away after I started taking it.

> So maybe I'm low in growth hormone too, and helped it without even

> knowing it!

>

IIM-------I didn't know about colostrum raising growth hormone, but I

have taken it in the past and also felt good on it.

=========That's interesting/good to hear Inga. I would get sick quite often

after rounds of chelation, so I tried it to boost my immune system, and it

seemed to work. I felt I could chelate more often because I wasn't getting sick

between rounds as much. And I understood that it was a good immune booster,

because I grew up on a dairy farm, and my parents always said how important it

was for new calves to get the colostrum milk the first few days of their lives.

And it was one of the few supplements that I noticed something right away from,

so I know it did something good for me!---------Jackie T.

~Inga

> Jackie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation , Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> I realized that I don't think that I reported back to you guys on

> this. did say that they were very expensive and if you have

> learned alot on these boards already about thyroid/adrenal, etc.,

> that they probably wouldn't teach you much new. It would probably

> be much cheaper to find someone else locally to help with these

> issues. What she did go on about is to get your growth hormone

> tested, IGF-1. She said hers was quite low, and this was the only

> really new thing that they found. She was told to take Colostrum to

> raise this.

IIM------------I could be wrong but I think you may have this

incorrect, as I talked to a lot while she was going through

this process with them at FFC. The product is GAMMA GROW.

========I don't recall her saying Gamma Grow, just Colostrum, so maybe that's

the main ingredient? I assume this is where she was told to take the Colostrum

to raise your growth hormone, but maybe I got this wrong. I was trying to jot

down notes as fast as I could!--------Jackie

> I know they give injections for some things, and now I can't

> remember if she got any of those or not.

IIM--------------She got some growth hormone injections and reacted

very badly

> She said the injections are very expensive also. And part of how

> they make their money is requiring follow up visits, even if they

> are on the phone, to continue to get your prescriptions from them.

> She felt they were too much about the money, just her impression.

> So not that they didn't know what they were doing, she just feels

> they are very expensive and you could probably get help elsewhere

> much cheaper.

IIM---This was my impression as well from phone conversations I had

with them....like they were more of a cookie cutter system cranking

people through, and saying that it helped about 80% of the folks that

come there. When I asked about mercury, they didn't even know if and

how the doctors treated it.

>

> Back to the Colostrum. I found that part very interesting, because

> I started taking Colostrum back in January, to boost my immune

> system. I felt an improvement right away after I started taking it.

> So maybe I'm low in growth hormone too, and helped it without even

> knowing it!

>

IIM-------I didn't know about colostrum raising growth hormone, but I

have taken it in the past and also felt good on it.

=========That's interesting/good to hear Inga. I would get sick quite often

after rounds of chelation, so I tried it to boost my immune system, and it

seemed to work. I felt I could chelate more often because I wasn't getting sick

between rounds as much. And I understood that it was a good immune booster,

because I grew up on a dairy farm, and my parents always said how important it

was for new calves to get the colostrum milk the first few days of their lives.

And it was one of the few supplements that I noticed something right away from,

so I know it did something good for me!---------Jackie T.

~Inga

> Jackie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> IIM------------I could be wrong but I think you may have this

> incorrect, as I talked to a lot while she was going through

> this process with them at FFC. The product is GAMMA GROW.

>

> ========I don't recall her saying Gamma Grow, just Colostrum, so

> maybe that's the main ingredient?

IIM>>>Nope Two totally differn things, althogh she may have been

taking colosturm as well....she had not mentioned the colostrum to me.

> I assume this is where she was told to take the Colostrum to raise

> your growth hormone, but maybe I got this wrong.

IIM>>I did a little research and apparnty it i supposed to affect

growth hormone some too. Maskes sense, as mothers give it off tot

heir hyong when they are newborns.

> I was trying to jot down notes as fast as I could!--------Jackie

>>>>Gotcha....

Inga

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In frequent-dose-chelation , W. weinert56 wrote:

> What she did go on about is to get your growth hormone tested, IGF-1.

DirectLabs has a test for " IGF-1 SC Insulin-like Growth Factor " . Do

you think that's the same thing?

------------It probably is, she just said to get your IGF-1 tested. And I

also see this listed on page 114 of AI as a sign of pituitary

problems.-------Jackie T>

> Back to the Colostrum. I found that part very interesting, because

I started taking Colostrum back in January, to boost my immune system.

I felt an improvement right away after I started taking it. So maybe

I'm low in growth hormone too, and helped it without even knowing it!

What are you taking?

------------I ordered mine from a MLM, so I know they don't like to talk about

those here. I don't sell their stuff, I have just ordered some things from them

to try. It's the same company that sells ThreeLac for candida. Email me off

list if you want the name/link. I know you are supposed to make sure that the

Colostrum you get is NOT defatted, the fat contains some important stuff. I

just looked at my bottle, and it says it contains 1.3ppm IGF-1, I have no idea

how much you need. It also contains IgG, IgM, IgA, Lactoferrin, and lots of

fatty acids.-------Jackie T

I took the Heavy Metal Therapy:

http://heavymetaltherapy.com/colostrum.php

I think it was helpful for my dysbiosis, but I ran out and didn't get

more.

-------------I have never tried any other brands, so I don't know how they

compare. I just remember feeling better after I started taking it, and I did

seem to not get sick as often last winter after I started it. I was getting

sick frequently after rounds of chelation, so I was looking for immune

boosters.------Jackie T.

Speaking of expensive doctors, I saw one today. The good news is she

is only 15 minutes from my house and she did prescribe Armour and

Cortef for me with no qualms.

--------She did this without any testing first? Wow! Or was it because you

have been self-treating already?--------Jackie T>

She also likes to order Doctor's Data

tests for things that can't be done locally. In her lengthy

pre-appointment paperwork, I wrote that I was chelating and that I

wanted my thyroid treatment based on symptoms not TSH. She's ok with

that. (She even said she had some patients beyond the high end of the

range for T3 because that is what made them comfortable.)

------------She sounds good , I hope she works out for you!------Jackie

t.

She wants

me to do a 6 or 12 hour DMSA challenge test (which I consider not very

worthwhile but mildly interesting), but is ok with just having it be

of a normal chelation round.

----------I know they can vary widely, but it would be interesting to see what

other metals come out, besides mercury. If insurance pays for it, what the

heck, I'd go for it!-------Jackie t.

She found what is probably a nodule in

my thyroid so I need to go get an ultrasound. I had a blood test for

Lyme's this afternoon. Tomorrow I go in to have 20+ vials of fasting

blood drawn for various tests.

--------Sounds like she's running the gammet, hope you don't run out of

blood!-----Jackie t.

She also recommended a sleep study and

lots of various kinds of allergy testing. (Do most people think the

allergy testing is worthwhile? I'm tempted to postpone that until

I've done more chelation to see how much of that clears up on its

own.)

----------My DO also recommended an expensive allergy clinic to me, which is

pretty far away from me, so I haven't done it yet either. I am also thinking on

your lines, that if chelation may possibly take care of this, then why bother if

it's not severe? But I believe others have benefited from it and hopefully

they'll respond.----Jackie T>

I'm not sure where all this will lead. She gave me a big stack

of handouts and the few I've looked at give me some qualms. (e.g.

quotes from Mercola) She didn't order an RBC Elements test that I

asked for, just RBC magnesium. (I doubt insurance would cover that,

so it's no big deal if I just get it from Direct Labs.) I hope I get

something useful out of all of this rather than just spend a lot of

money. At least it is very local. My insurance said I didn't need

preapproval for any of it, but who knows what they will actually pay.

-----------I sure hope this doc works out for you, , and becomes someone

you can work with, and not just a waste of money. I'm just curious, what kind

of a doctor is she? Keep us posted.----------Jackie t.

W.

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