Re: fasting, customizing thyroid care to your lifestyle and circumstance

[Guest guest]

Hello, Jamila,

Most doctors do not have any experience living with thyroid

problems, so they just go ahead and tell you what they think. Living with

this can be a real problem. I do not have to fast for any reason, but have

done it when I get really busy with something. After six to eight hours of

nothing, I can feel pretty terrible...

When a fast is called for, I make sure that I eat something before

the required hours of the fast begin and i am allowed to have water. I can

have crackers if I begin to feel ill.

For your sake, please discuss this with your religious

leaders. There can be no point to becoming ill, but perhaps they have some

thoughts and suggestions that would be helpful for you.

Dianne

At 05:17 PM 8/18/05, you wrote:

>I ask because I fast for one month from sun up to sun down everyday (for

>religion), except when pregnant or sick of course. The thing is, I always

>feel sick, dizzy, nausous, no energy. That is expected in the beginning of

>the month but I have it all month. Some days I break my fast because I

>feel so ill I cannot do anything. My doctors all said fasting is fine w/

>hypothyroid, but I am wondering now if that isnt so true.

>

>Thanks again,

>Jamila

>

[Guest guest]

All of our scholars say that if it effects your health DONT FAST. BUT, what effects your health? If you have your doctors who are supposed to be specialist telling you fasting is fine, then what should you do? I know a strange dilemma. I just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I think I probably will do what I always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont when I cannot. When I dont eat for just a few hours I am like a crazy person, irritable, dizzy etc.... I explained to my doctors and they said I am probably becomming hypoglycemic, which means by Islamic standards, no fasting.

JamilaDianne wrote:

Hello, Jamila, Most doctors do not have any experience living with thyroid problems, so they just go ahead and tell you what they think. Living with this can be a real problem. I do not have to fast for any reason, but have done it when I get really busy with something. After six to eight hours of nothing, I can feel pretty terrible... When a fast is called for, I make sure that I eat something before the required hours of the fast begin and i am allowed to have water. I can have crackers if I begin to feel ill. For your sake, please discuss this with your religious leaders. There can be no point to becoming ill, but perhaps they have some thoughts and

suggestions that would be helpful for you. DianneAt 05:17 PM 8/18/05, you wrote:>I ask because I fast for one month from sun up to sun down everyday (for >religion), except when pregnant or sick of course. The thing is, I always >feel sick, dizzy, nausous, no energy. That is expected in the beginning of >the month but I have it all month. Some days I break my fast because I >feel so ill I cannot do anything. My doctors all said fasting is fine w/ >hypothyroid, but I am wondering now if that isnt so true.>>Thanks again,>Jamila>

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[Guest guest]

All of our scholars say that if it effects your health DONT FAST. BUT, what effects your health? If you have your doctors who are supposed to be specialist telling you fasting is fine, then what should you do? I know a strange dilemma. I just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I think I probably will do what I always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont when I cannot. When I dont eat for just a few hours I am like a crazy person, irritable, dizzy etc.... I explained to my doctors and they said I am probably becomming hypoglycemic, which means by Islamic standards, no fasting.

JamilaDianne wrote:

Hello, Jamila, Most doctors do not have any experience living with thyroid problems, so they just go ahead and tell you what they think. Living with this can be a real problem. I do not have to fast for any reason, but have done it when I get really busy with something. After six to eight hours of nothing, I can feel pretty terrible... When a fast is called for, I make sure that I eat something before the required hours of the fast begin and i am allowed to have water. I can have crackers if I begin to feel ill. For your sake, please discuss this with your religious leaders. There can be no point to becoming ill, but perhaps they have some thoughts and

suggestions that would be helpful for you. DianneAt 05:17 PM 8/18/05, you wrote:>I ask because I fast for one month from sun up to sun down everyday (for >religion), except when pregnant or sick of course. The thing is, I always >feel sick, dizzy, nausous, no energy. That is expected in the beginning of >the month but I have it all month. Some days I break my fast because I >feel so ill I cannot do anything. My doctors all said fasting is fine w/ >hypothyroid, but I am wondering now if that isnt so true.>>Thanks again,>Jamila>

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[Guest guest]

All of our scholars say that if it effects your health DONT FAST. BUT, what effects your health? If you have your doctors who are supposed to be specialist telling you fasting is fine, then what should you do? I know a strange dilemma. I just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I think I probably will do what I always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont when I cannot. When I dont eat for just a few hours I am like a crazy person, irritable, dizzy etc.... I explained to my doctors and they said I am probably becomming hypoglycemic, which means by Islamic standards, no fasting.

JamilaDianne wrote:

Hello, Jamila, Most doctors do not have any experience living with thyroid problems, so they just go ahead and tell you what they think. Living with this can be a real problem. I do not have to fast for any reason, but have done it when I get really busy with something. After six to eight hours of nothing, I can feel pretty terrible... When a fast is called for, I make sure that I eat something before the required hours of the fast begin and i am allowed to have water. I can have crackers if I begin to feel ill. For your sake, please discuss this with your religious leaders. There can be no point to becoming ill, but perhaps they have some thoughts and

suggestions that would be helpful for you. DianneAt 05:17 PM 8/18/05, you wrote:>I ask because I fast for one month from sun up to sun down everyday (for >religion), except when pregnant or sick of course. The thing is, I always >feel sick, dizzy, nausous, no energy. That is expected in the beginning of >the month but I have it all month. Some days I break my fast because I >feel so ill I cannot do anything. My doctors all said fasting is fine w/ >hypothyroid, but I am wondering now if that isnt so true.>>Thanks again,>Jamila>

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[Guest guest]

> Anyone who is ill doesnt have to fast, and that would include

anything that would hinder your body (or baby if you are nursing or

pregnant) because of your fasting. In fact we are taught not to if we

are ill as it isnt worship, it is causing ourselves harm.

>

> I just was wondering why my doctors keep telling me its ok.

>

> Jamila

My understanding from the fasting is that you only fast during the day,

at night you are allowed to eat and the food is more of a festival type

food. I am not sure if being Hypo would cause a reaction with this type

of fasting.

Now of course you know your body better than anyone and I wonder if

something else is going on as far as diabetes, iron levels vitamin B

deficency or?

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

> Anyone who is ill doesnt have to fast, and that would include

anything that would hinder your body (or baby if you are nursing or

pregnant) because of your fasting. In fact we are taught not to if we

are ill as it isnt worship, it is causing ourselves harm.

>

> I just was wondering why my doctors keep telling me its ok.

>

> Jamila

My understanding from the fasting is that you only fast during the day,

at night you are allowed to eat and the food is more of a festival type

food. I am not sure if being Hypo would cause a reaction with this type

of fasting.

Now of course you know your body better than anyone and I wonder if

something else is going on as far as diabetes, iron levels vitamin B

deficency or?

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

> Anyone who is ill doesnt have to fast, and that would include

anything that would hinder your body (or baby if you are nursing or

pregnant) because of your fasting. In fact we are taught not to if we

are ill as it isnt worship, it is causing ourselves harm.

>

> I just was wondering why my doctors keep telling me its ok.

>

> Jamila

My understanding from the fasting is that you only fast during the day,

at night you are allowed to eat and the food is more of a festival type

food. I am not sure if being Hypo would cause a reaction with this type

of fasting.

Now of course you know your body better than anyone and I wonder if

something else is going on as far as diabetes, iron levels vitamin B

deficency or?

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

Jamila, I can understand how important it is to comply with the practices that

your

religious beliefs follow. I have a great deal of respect for that. It is

sounding

like the complete fasting is something that is hurting you, though, and your

religious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that your spiritual leader would

agree with this, if you were to discuss this with them.

Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan during this time of the month?

A

no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed both of those, and they both

really

do focus the mind on what is happening around you on the spiritual level.

I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have to contemplate giving up

something that is so important to you spiritually, and I can not begin to

imagine

the pain that you must feel at having to 'give in' when you start getting sick

from

it. Deity does not want his/her/their children to become sick. Maybe instead of

focussing on what you cannot do, you might start to think about what you can do

that

will still allow you to observe the religious event.

Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have offended.

in TX

--- Jamila wrote:

> All of our scholars say that if it effects your health DONT FAST. BUT, what

> effects your health? If you have your doctors who are supposed to be

specialist

> telling you fasting is fine, then what should you do? I know a strange

dilemma. I

> just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I think I probably will do what I

> always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont when I cannot. When I dont

eat

> for just a few hours I am like a crazy person, irritable, dizzy etc.... I

> explained to my doctors and they said I am probably becomming hypoglycemic,

which

> means by Islamic standards, no fasting.

>

> Jamila

[Guest guest]

Jamila, I can understand how important it is to comply with the practices that

your

religious beliefs follow. I have a great deal of respect for that. It is

sounding

like the complete fasting is something that is hurting you, though, and your

religious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that your spiritual leader would

agree with this, if you were to discuss this with them.

Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan during this time of the month?

A

no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed both of those, and they both

really

do focus the mind on what is happening around you on the spiritual level.

I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have to contemplate giving up

something that is so important to you spiritually, and I can not begin to

imagine

the pain that you must feel at having to 'give in' when you start getting sick

from

it. Deity does not want his/her/their children to become sick. Maybe instead of

focussing on what you cannot do, you might start to think about what you can do

that

will still allow you to observe the religious event.

Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have offended.

in TX

--- Jamila wrote:

> All of our scholars say that if it effects your health DONT FAST. BUT, what

> effects your health? If you have your doctors who are supposed to be

specialist

> telling you fasting is fine, then what should you do? I know a strange

dilemma. I

> just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I think I probably will do what I

> always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont when I cannot. When I dont

eat

> for just a few hours I am like a crazy person, irritable, dizzy etc.... I

> explained to my doctors and they said I am probably becomming hypoglycemic,

which

> means by Islamic standards, no fasting.

>

> Jamila

[Guest guest]

Jamila, I can understand how important it is to comply with the practices that

your

religious beliefs follow. I have a great deal of respect for that. It is

sounding

like the complete fasting is something that is hurting you, though, and your

religious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that your spiritual leader would

agree with this, if you were to discuss this with them.

Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan during this time of the month?

A

no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed both of those, and they both

really

do focus the mind on what is happening around you on the spiritual level.

I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have to contemplate giving up

something that is so important to you spiritually, and I can not begin to

imagine

the pain that you must feel at having to 'give in' when you start getting sick

from

it. Deity does not want his/her/their children to become sick. Maybe instead of

focussing on what you cannot do, you might start to think about what you can do

that

will still allow you to observe the religious event.

Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have offended.

in TX

--- Jamila wrote:

> All of our scholars say that if it effects your health DONT FAST. BUT, what

> effects your health? If you have your doctors who are supposed to be

specialist

> telling you fasting is fine, then what should you do? I know a strange

dilemma. I

> just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I think I probably will do what I

> always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont when I cannot. When I dont

eat

> for just a few hours I am like a crazy person, irritable, dizzy etc.... I

> explained to my doctors and they said I am probably becomming hypoglycemic,

which

> means by Islamic standards, no fasting.

>

> Jamila

[Guest guest]

Yes, you must have missed my first explaination of fasting. It is from sun up to sun down. Food is regular food, of course every family and all cultures are different, so I cannot speak about Muslims all over the world. But us, we eat mostly soup and meat. I dont know if bring hypo is what gives me a hard time or not, thats why I had asked if it was common to have these problems while fasting and being hypo. When I fast I do get sick. I found out that I do have a calcium and vit. d defiency, plus yes I am anemic, have been most of my life. How does taht effect fasting? Dont know.

Jamila

kats3boys wrote:

My understanding from the fasting is that you only fast during the day, at night you are allowed to eat and the food is more of a festival type food. I am not sure if being Hypo would cause a reaction with this type of fasting.Now of course you know your body better than anyone and I wonder if something else is going on as far as diabetes, iron levels vitamin B deficency or?Kats3boys

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your kind words. No you didnt offend me at all. :-)

Jamila

in TX wrote:

Jamila, I can understand how important it is to comply with the practices that yourreligious beliefs follow. I have a great deal of respect for that. It is soundinglike the complete fasting is something that is hurting you, though, and yourreligious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that your spiritual leader wouldagree with this, if you were to discuss this with them.Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan during this time of the month? Ano-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed both of those, and they both reallydo focus the mind on what is happening around you on the spiritual level. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have to contemplate giving upsomething that is so important to you spiritually, and I can not begin to imaginethe pain that you must feel at having to 'give in' when you start getting

sick fromit. Deity does not want his/her/their children to become sick. Maybe instead offocussing on what you cannot do, you might start to think about what you can do thatwill still allow you to observe the religious event.Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have offended. in TX--- Jamila wrote:> All of our scholars say that if it effects your health DONT FAST. BUT, what> effects your health? If you have your doctors who are supposed to be specialist> telling you fasting is fine, then what should you do? I know a strange dilemma. I> just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I think I probably will do what I> always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont when I cannot. When I dont eat> for just a few hours I am like a crazy person, irritable, dizzy etc.... I> explained to my doctors and they said I am probably becomming hypoglycemic, which>

means by Islamic standards, no fasting.> > Jamila

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Thank you for your kind words. No you didnt offend me at all. :-)

Jamila

in TX wrote:

Jamila, I can understand how important it is to comply with the practices that yourreligious beliefs follow. I have a great deal of respect for that. It is soundinglike the complete fasting is something that is hurting you, though, and yourreligious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that your spiritual leader wouldagree with this, if you were to discuss this with them.Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan during this time of the month? Ano-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed both of those, and they both reallydo focus the mind on what is happening around you on the spiritual level. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have to contemplate giving upsomething that is so important to you spiritually, and I can not begin to imaginethe pain that you must feel at having to 'give in' when you start getting

sick fromit. Deity does not want his/her/their children to become sick. Maybe instead offocussing on what you cannot do, you might start to think about what you can do thatwill still allow you to observe the religious event.Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have offended. in TX--- Jamila wrote:> All of our scholars say that if it effects your health DONT FAST. BUT, what> effects your health? If you have your doctors who are supposed to be specialist> telling you fasting is fine, then what should you do? I know a strange dilemma. I> just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I think I probably will do what I> always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont when I cannot. When I dont eat> for just a few hours I am like a crazy person, irritable, dizzy etc.... I> explained to my doctors and they said I am probably becomming hypoglycemic, which>

means by Islamic standards, no fasting.> > Jamila

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Thank you for your kind words. No you didnt offend me at all. :-)

Jamila

in TX wrote:

Jamila, I can understand how important it is to comply with the practices that yourreligious beliefs follow. I have a great deal of respect for that. It is soundinglike the complete fasting is something that is hurting you, though, and yourreligious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that your spiritual leader wouldagree with this, if you were to discuss this with them.Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan during this time of the month? Ano-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed both of those, and they both reallydo focus the mind on what is happening around you on the spiritual level. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have to contemplate giving upsomething that is so important to you spiritually, and I can not begin to imaginethe pain that you must feel at having to 'give in' when you start getting

sick fromit. Deity does not want his/her/their children to become sick. Maybe instead offocussing on what you cannot do, you might start to think about what you can do thatwill still allow you to observe the religious event.Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have offended. in TX--- Jamila wrote:> All of our scholars say that if it effects your health DONT FAST. BUT, what> effects your health? If you have your doctors who are supposed to be specialist> telling you fasting is fine, then what should you do? I know a strange dilemma. I> just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I think I probably will do what I> always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont when I cannot. When I dont eat> for just a few hours I am like a crazy person, irritable, dizzy etc.... I> explained to my doctors and they said I am probably becomming hypoglycemic, which>

means by Islamic standards, no fasting.> > Jamila

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I think a vegan diet is a wonderful and compassionate

thing, but I feel very strongly that it is not good

for someone like Jamilla who is currently pregnant and

has different nutrient deficiencies such as anemia. I

agree that spiritual practices are very important but

not at the expense of one's health. I struggled a lot

with wanting to be vegetarian/vegan for years until I

realized that my body really needs meat. Especially

with anemia, red meat is important (especially if it

is from animals raised w/o hormones and antibiotics)--

and with hypothyroidism plenty of protein is crucial

-- and soy is not a good option since it is a

goitrogen.

JMO, Marlena

--- in TX wrote:

> Jamila, I can understand how important it is to

> comply with the practices that your

> religious beliefs follow. I have a great deal of

> respect for that. It is sounding

> like the complete fasting is something that is

> hurting you, though, and your

> religious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that

> your spiritual leader would

> agree with this, if you were to discuss this with

> them.

>

> Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan

> during this time of the month? A

> no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed

> both of those, and they both really

> do focus the mind on what is happening around you on

> the spiritual level.

>

> I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have

> to contemplate giving up

> something that is so important to you spiritually,

> and I can not begin to imagine

> the pain that you must feel at having to 'give in'

> when you start getting sick from

> it. Deity does not want his/her/their children to

> become sick. Maybe instead of

> focussing on what you cannot do, you might start to

> think about what you can do that

> will still allow you to observe the religious event.

>

> Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have

> offended.

> in TX

>

> --- Jamila wrote:

>

> > All of our scholars say that if it effects your

> health DONT FAST. BUT, what

> > effects your health? If you have your doctors who

> are supposed to be specialist

> > telling you fasting is fine, then what should you

> do? I know a strange dilemma. I

> > just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I

> think I probably will do what I

> > always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont

> when I cannot. When I dont eat

> > for just a few hours I am like a crazy person,

> irritable, dizzy etc.... I

> > explained to my doctors and they said I am

> probably becomming hypoglycemic, which

> > means by Islamic standards, no fasting.

> >

> > Jamila

>

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I think a vegan diet is a wonderful and compassionate

thing, but I feel very strongly that it is not good

for someone like Jamilla who is currently pregnant and

has different nutrient deficiencies such as anemia. I

agree that spiritual practices are very important but

not at the expense of one's health. I struggled a lot

with wanting to be vegetarian/vegan for years until I

realized that my body really needs meat. Especially

with anemia, red meat is important (especially if it

is from animals raised w/o hormones and antibiotics)--

and with hypothyroidism plenty of protein is crucial

-- and soy is not a good option since it is a

goitrogen.

JMO, Marlena

--- in TX wrote:

> Jamila, I can understand how important it is to

> comply with the practices that your

> religious beliefs follow. I have a great deal of

> respect for that. It is sounding

> like the complete fasting is something that is

> hurting you, though, and your

> religious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that

> your spiritual leader would

> agree with this, if you were to discuss this with

> them.

>

> Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan

> during this time of the month? A

> no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed

> both of those, and they both really

> do focus the mind on what is happening around you on

> the spiritual level.

>

> I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have

> to contemplate giving up

> something that is so important to you spiritually,

> and I can not begin to imagine

> the pain that you must feel at having to 'give in'

> when you start getting sick from

> it. Deity does not want his/her/their children to

> become sick. Maybe instead of

> focussing on what you cannot do, you might start to

> think about what you can do that

> will still allow you to observe the religious event.

>

> Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have

> offended.

> in TX

>

> --- Jamila wrote:

>

> > All of our scholars say that if it effects your

> health DONT FAST. BUT, what

> > effects your health? If you have your doctors who

> are supposed to be specialist

> > telling you fasting is fine, then what should you

> do? I know a strange dilemma. I

> > just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I

> think I probably will do what I

> > always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont

> when I cannot. When I dont eat

> > for just a few hours I am like a crazy person,

> irritable, dizzy etc.... I

> > explained to my doctors and they said I am

> probably becomming hypoglycemic, which

> > means by Islamic standards, no fasting.

> >

> > Jamila

>

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I think a vegan diet is a wonderful and compassionate

thing, but I feel very strongly that it is not good

for someone like Jamilla who is currently pregnant and

has different nutrient deficiencies such as anemia. I

agree that spiritual practices are very important but

not at the expense of one's health. I struggled a lot

with wanting to be vegetarian/vegan for years until I

realized that my body really needs meat. Especially

with anemia, red meat is important (especially if it

is from animals raised w/o hormones and antibiotics)--

and with hypothyroidism plenty of protein is crucial

-- and soy is not a good option since it is a

goitrogen.

JMO, Marlena

--- in TX wrote:

> Jamila, I can understand how important it is to

> comply with the practices that your

> religious beliefs follow. I have a great deal of

> respect for that. It is sounding

> like the complete fasting is something that is

> hurting you, though, and your

> religious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that

> your spiritual leader would

> agree with this, if you were to discuss this with

> them.

>

> Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan

> during this time of the month? A

> no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed

> both of those, and they both really

> do focus the mind on what is happening around you on

> the spiritual level.

>

> I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have

> to contemplate giving up

> something that is so important to you spiritually,

> and I can not begin to imagine

> the pain that you must feel at having to 'give in'

> when you start getting sick from

> it. Deity does not want his/her/their children to

> become sick. Maybe instead of

> focussing on what you cannot do, you might start to

> think about what you can do that

> will still allow you to observe the religious event.

>

> Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have

> offended.

> in TX

>

> --- Jamila wrote:

>

> > All of our scholars say that if it effects your

> health DONT FAST. BUT, what

> > effects your health? If you have your doctors who

> are supposed to be specialist

> > telling you fasting is fine, then what should you

> do? I know a strange dilemma. I

> > just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I

> think I probably will do what I

> > always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont

> when I cannot. When I dont eat

> > for just a few hours I am like a crazy person,

> irritable, dizzy etc.... I

> > explained to my doctors and they said I am

> probably becomming hypoglycemic, which

> > means by Islamic standards, no fasting.

> >

> > Jamila

>

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I was vegan for awhile, then vegetarian... but I need read meat. I got really ill, so I wont be trying that again. :-)

In Islam we dont bend any of the pillars. They are set in stone so to speak. ;-) Fasting is one of the five pillars of belief. so it isnt an option to change to accomodate our situations. If we are ill, we just dont do it. Therefore, I probably just wont do it. I love fasting, such a wonderful feeling, but when the day is closing in, sometimes just a few hours into the day I get really ill. God gave me a ticket (That is how we say) so I will cash it in. :-)

Thank you everyone for your help with this. I do appreciate it very much! You are a great group, I am happy to be apart of it.

JamilaMarlena wrote:

I think a vegan diet is a wonderful and compassionatething, but I feel very strongly that it is not goodfor someone like Jamilla who is currently pregnant andhas different nutrient deficiencies such as anemia. Iagree that spiritual practices are very important butnot at the expense of one's health. I struggled a lotwith wanting to be vegetarian/vegan for years until Irealized that my body really needs meat. Especiallywith anemia, red meat is important (especially if itis from animals raised w/o hormones and antibiotics)--and with hypothyroidism plenty of protein is crucial-- and soy is not a good option since it is agoitrogen.JMO, Marlena--- in TX wrote:> Jamila, I can understand how important it is to> comply with the practices that your> religious beliefs follow.

I have a great deal of> respect for that. It is sounding> like the complete fasting is something that is> hurting you, though, and your> religious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that> your spiritual leader would> agree with this, if you were to discuss this with> them.> > Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan> during this time of the month? A> no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed> both of those, and they both really> do focus the mind on what is happening around you on> the spiritual level. > > I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have> to contemplate giving up> something that is so important to you spiritually,> and I can not begin to imagine> the pain that you must feel at having to 'give in'> when you start getting sick from> it. Deity does not want his/her/their children to> become

sick. Maybe instead of> focussing on what you cannot do, you might start to> think about what you can do that> will still allow you to observe the religious event.> > Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have> offended.> in TX> > --- Jamila wrote:> > > All of our scholars say that if it effects your> health DONT FAST. BUT, what> > effects your health? If you have your doctors who> are supposed to be specialist> > telling you fasting is fine, then what should you> do? I know a strange dilemma. I> > just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I> think I probably will do what I> > always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont> when I cannot. When I dont eat> > for just a few hours I am like a crazy person,> irritable, dizzy etc.... I> > explained to my doctors

and they said I am> probably becomming hypoglycemic, which> > means by Islamic standards, no fasting.> > > > Jamila> ____________________________________________________Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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I was vegan for awhile, then vegetarian... but I need read meat. I got really ill, so I wont be trying that again. :-)

In Islam we dont bend any of the pillars. They are set in stone so to speak. ;-) Fasting is one of the five pillars of belief. so it isnt an option to change to accomodate our situations. If we are ill, we just dont do it. Therefore, I probably just wont do it. I love fasting, such a wonderful feeling, but when the day is closing in, sometimes just a few hours into the day I get really ill. God gave me a ticket (That is how we say) so I will cash it in. :-)

Thank you everyone for your help with this. I do appreciate it very much! You are a great group, I am happy to be apart of it.

JamilaMarlena wrote:

I think a vegan diet is a wonderful and compassionatething, but I feel very strongly that it is not goodfor someone like Jamilla who is currently pregnant andhas different nutrient deficiencies such as anemia. Iagree that spiritual practices are very important butnot at the expense of one's health. I struggled a lotwith wanting to be vegetarian/vegan for years until Irealized that my body really needs meat. Especiallywith anemia, red meat is important (especially if itis from animals raised w/o hormones and antibiotics)--and with hypothyroidism plenty of protein is crucial-- and soy is not a good option since it is agoitrogen.JMO, Marlena--- in TX wrote:> Jamila, I can understand how important it is to> comply with the practices that your> religious beliefs follow.

I have a great deal of> respect for that. It is sounding> like the complete fasting is something that is> hurting you, though, and your> religious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that> your spiritual leader would> agree with this, if you were to discuss this with> them.> > Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan> during this time of the month? A> no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed> both of those, and they both really> do focus the mind on what is happening around you on> the spiritual level. > > I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have> to contemplate giving up> something that is so important to you spiritually,> and I can not begin to imagine> the pain that you must feel at having to 'give in'> when you start getting sick from> it. Deity does not want his/her/their children to> become

sick. Maybe instead of> focussing on what you cannot do, you might start to> think about what you can do that> will still allow you to observe the religious event.> > Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have> offended.> in TX> > --- Jamila wrote:> > > All of our scholars say that if it effects your> health DONT FAST. BUT, what> > effects your health? If you have your doctors who> are supposed to be specialist> > telling you fasting is fine, then what should you> do? I know a strange dilemma. I> > just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I> think I probably will do what I> > always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont> when I cannot. When I dont eat> > for just a few hours I am like a crazy person,> irritable, dizzy etc.... I> > explained to my doctors

and they said I am> probably becomming hypoglycemic, which> > means by Islamic standards, no fasting.> > > > Jamila> ____________________________________________________Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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I was vegan for awhile, then vegetarian... but I need read meat. I got really ill, so I wont be trying that again. :-)

In Islam we dont bend any of the pillars. They are set in stone so to speak. ;-) Fasting is one of the five pillars of belief. so it isnt an option to change to accomodate our situations. If we are ill, we just dont do it. Therefore, I probably just wont do it. I love fasting, such a wonderful feeling, but when the day is closing in, sometimes just a few hours into the day I get really ill. God gave me a ticket (That is how we say) so I will cash it in. :-)

Thank you everyone for your help with this. I do appreciate it very much! You are a great group, I am happy to be apart of it.

JamilaMarlena wrote:

I think a vegan diet is a wonderful and compassionatething, but I feel very strongly that it is not goodfor someone like Jamilla who is currently pregnant andhas different nutrient deficiencies such as anemia. Iagree that spiritual practices are very important butnot at the expense of one's health. I struggled a lotwith wanting to be vegetarian/vegan for years until Irealized that my body really needs meat. Especiallywith anemia, red meat is important (especially if itis from animals raised w/o hormones and antibiotics)--and with hypothyroidism plenty of protein is crucial-- and soy is not a good option since it is agoitrogen.JMO, Marlena--- in TX wrote:> Jamila, I can understand how important it is to> comply with the practices that your> religious beliefs follow.

I have a great deal of> respect for that. It is sounding> like the complete fasting is something that is> hurting you, though, and your> religious beliefs do NOT endorse that. I think that> your spiritual leader would> agree with this, if you were to discuss this with> them.> > Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan> during this time of the month? A> no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed> both of those, and they both really> do focus the mind on what is happening around you on> the spiritual level. > > I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have> to contemplate giving up> something that is so important to you spiritually,> and I can not begin to imagine> the pain that you must feel at having to 'give in'> when you start getting sick from> it. Deity does not want his/her/their children to> become

sick. Maybe instead of> focussing on what you cannot do, you might start to> think about what you can do that> will still allow you to observe the religious event.> > Just a thought, I sincerely apologize if I have> offended.> in TX> > --- Jamila wrote:> > > All of our scholars say that if it effects your> health DONT FAST. BUT, what> > effects your health? If you have your doctors who> are supposed to be specialist> > telling you fasting is fine, then what should you> do? I know a strange dilemma. I> > just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I> think I probably will do what I> > always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont> when I cannot. When I dont eat> > for just a few hours I am like a crazy person,> irritable, dizzy etc.... I> > explained to my doctors

and they said I am> probably becomming hypoglycemic, which> > means by Islamic standards, no fasting.> > > > Jamila> ____________________________________________________Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Hi, Jamila,

I have Hypo-Thyroid and Hypo-Glycemia. Neither one is

particularly easy to deal with...

When it is time for me to fast, I simply cut way back on what is

eaten, but I do eat small amounts of food across the hours of the

fast. Not eating means fainting, as an extreme effect, or feeling

miserably sick all day long. I also drink a lot of water. Call it

" special dispensation " or whatever, but when fasting makes you feel ill

enough for others to notice it, then you have no business fasting at all --

you are risking bigger problems.

While testing can be done to find out about these problems, they

can often be diagnosed on the basis of symptoms alone. The tests are just

another expense, so, if the doctor can determine these problems by

listening to you, then you save $$ and time -- to your benefit.

Some words of caution for you. If the problems of mood change and

irritability get worse even when you do not fast, then you may want to look

at your diet. If have found that reducing the amount of carbohydrate

really help to stop the wild fluctuation of my blood sugar

levels. Artificial sweeteners do not help me, they only make the problems

worse and give me horrible headaches. High protein and low carbs really

helps me, as does eating smaller meals more often so that the blood sugar

levels stay pretty much stable across the waking hours. Hypoglycemia can

progress into Diabetes, so keep an eye on things and see your doctor if the

symptoms worsen.

Dianne

At 11:00 PM 8/19/05, you wrote:

>All of our scholars say that if it effects your health DONT FAST. BUT,

>what effects your health? If you have your doctors who are supposed to be

>specialist telling you fasting is fine, then what should you do? I know a

>strange dilemma. I just wish I could fast, but I know I cannot. I think I

>probably will do what I always do, fast when I feel its ok, and then dont

>when I cannot. When I dont eat for just a few hours I am like a crazy

>person, irritable, dizzy etc.... I explained to my doctors and they said I

>am probably becomming hypoglycemic, which means by Islamic standards, no

>fasting.

>

>Jamila

[Guest guest]

No arguement at all with that, Marlena! I am far from a medical professional

or

expert, and freely admit it. I was simply trying to 'think outside of the box'.

My

understanding of Ramadan is that food is acceptable after sunset. With that in

mind,

just about anything would go during those hours. The 'problem' hours would be

during

the actual fasting times. Observing some form of a vegan diet during those hours

only would be all right, wouldn't it? I just do not know. Even if this would not

be

an option, surely some foods could be set as 'off limits' during the period of

the

fasting without it causing harm? The ideal, of course, would be to follow the

fasting as given, but that is causing harm in this instance. I would hate to

simply

kiss of an integral part of a spiritual belief without working real hard at

finding

an alternate way to observe it, is all

Hugs,

in TX

--- Marlena wrote:

---------------------------------

I think a vegan diet is a wonderful and compassionate

thing, but I feel very strongly that it is not good

for someone like Jamilla who is currently pregnant and

has different nutrient deficiencies such as anemia. I

agree that spiritual practices are very important but

not at the expense of one's health. I struggled a lot

with wanting to be vegetarian/vegan for years until I

realized that my body really needs meat. Especially

with anemia, red meat is important (especially if it

is from animals raised w/o hormones and antibiotics)--

and with hypothyroidism plenty of protein is crucial

-- and soy is not a good option since it is a

goitrogen.

JMO, Marlena

--- in TX wrote:

>

> Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan

> during this time of the month? A

> no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed

> both of those, and they both really

> do focus the mind on what is happening around you on

> the spiritual level.

[Guest guest]

No arguement at all with that, Marlena! I am far from a medical professional

or

expert, and freely admit it. I was simply trying to 'think outside of the box'.

My

understanding of Ramadan is that food is acceptable after sunset. With that in

mind,

just about anything would go during those hours. The 'problem' hours would be

during

the actual fasting times. Observing some form of a vegan diet during those hours

only would be all right, wouldn't it? I just do not know. Even if this would not

be

an option, surely some foods could be set as 'off limits' during the period of

the

fasting without it causing harm? The ideal, of course, would be to follow the

fasting as given, but that is causing harm in this instance. I would hate to

simply

kiss of an integral part of a spiritual belief without working real hard at

finding

an alternate way to observe it, is all

Hugs,

in TX

--- Marlena wrote:

---------------------------------

I think a vegan diet is a wonderful and compassionate

thing, but I feel very strongly that it is not good

for someone like Jamilla who is currently pregnant and

has different nutrient deficiencies such as anemia. I

agree that spiritual practices are very important but

not at the expense of one's health. I struggled a lot

with wanting to be vegetarian/vegan for years until I

realized that my body really needs meat. Especially

with anemia, red meat is important (especially if it

is from animals raised w/o hormones and antibiotics)--

and with hypothyroidism plenty of protein is crucial

-- and soy is not a good option since it is a

goitrogen.

JMO, Marlena

--- in TX wrote:

>

> Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan

> during this time of the month? A

> no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed

> both of those, and they both really

> do focus the mind on what is happening around you on

> the spiritual level.

[Guest guest]

No arguement at all with that, Marlena! I am far from a medical professional

or

expert, and freely admit it. I was simply trying to 'think outside of the box'.

My

understanding of Ramadan is that food is acceptable after sunset. With that in

mind,

just about anything would go during those hours. The 'problem' hours would be

during

the actual fasting times. Observing some form of a vegan diet during those hours

only would be all right, wouldn't it? I just do not know. Even if this would not

be

an option, surely some foods could be set as 'off limits' during the period of

the

fasting without it causing harm? The ideal, of course, would be to follow the

fasting as given, but that is causing harm in this instance. I would hate to

simply

kiss of an integral part of a spiritual belief without working real hard at

finding

an alternate way to observe it, is all

Hugs,

in TX

--- Marlena wrote:

---------------------------------

I think a vegan diet is a wonderful and compassionate

thing, but I feel very strongly that it is not good

for someone like Jamilla who is currently pregnant and

has different nutrient deficiencies such as anemia. I

agree that spiritual practices are very important but

not at the expense of one's health. I struggled a lot

with wanting to be vegetarian/vegan for years until I

realized that my body really needs meat. Especially

with anemia, red meat is important (especially if it

is from animals raised w/o hormones and antibiotics)--

and with hypothyroidism plenty of protein is crucial

-- and soy is not a good option since it is a

goitrogen.

JMO, Marlena

--- in TX wrote:

>

> Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan

> during this time of the month? A

> no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed

> both of those, and they both really

> do focus the mind on what is happening around you on

> the spiritual level.

[Guest guest]

It occurs to me that the difficulty of fasting between

sunrise and sunset varies according to the time of

year and geographical location. In summer in northern

latitudes the hours of daylight increase and the days

are much longer than in the countries where this

practice originated.

--- in TX wrote:

> No arguement at all with that, Marlena! I am far

> from a medical professional or

> expert, and freely admit it. I was simply trying to

> 'think outside of the box'. My

> understanding of Ramadan is that food is acceptable

> after sunset. With that in mind,

> just about anything would go during those hours. The

> 'problem' hours would be during

> the actual fasting times. Observing some form of a

> vegan diet during those hours

> only would be all right, wouldn't it? I just do not

> know. Even if this would not be

> an option, surely some foods could be set as 'off

> limits' during the period of the

> fasting without it causing harm? The ideal, of

> course, would be to follow the

> fasting as given, but that is causing harm in this

> instance. I would hate to simply

> kiss of an integral part of a spiritual belief

> without working real hard at finding

> an alternate way to observe it, is all

>

> Hugs,

> in TX

>

> --- Marlena wrote:

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> I think a vegan diet is a wonderful and

> compassionate

> thing, but I feel very strongly that it is not good

> for someone like Jamilla who is currently pregnant

> and

> has different nutrient deficiencies such as anemia.

> I

> agree that spiritual practices are very important

> but

> not at the expense of one's health. I struggled a

> lot

> with wanting to be vegetarian/vegan for years until

> I

> realized that my body really needs meat. Especially

> with anemia, red meat is important (especially if it

> is from animals raised w/o hormones and

> antibiotics)--

> and with hypothyroidism plenty of protein is crucial

> -- and soy is not a good option since it is a

> goitrogen.

> JMO, Marlena

>

> --- in TX wrote:

> >

> > Maybe a possible alternative would be to go vegan

> > during this time of the month? A

> > no-kill fast, or a no meat fast? I have observed

> > both of those, and they both really

> > do focus the mind on what is happening around you

> on

> > the spiritual level.

>

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