Re: I've mastered moderate alcohol use/vs.helplessness

[Guest guest]

sounds healthy to me

>

>

> Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> much mastered moderate alcohol use. It's just a

> question of doing what you set out to do. Remembering

> what you want to do and why and not changing your mind

> half way through. Deciding to be a person who's in

> control of their actions instead of throwing up your

> hands in helplessness and saying " Oh, gee- ha ha ! (Or

> " boo-hoo! " ) " I can't do it- SEE? I TOLD you I need

> someone else to control my physical body 'cause I

> can't !(Rape, anyone?) HOLY FRIG. Talk about setting

> yourself up to be victimized all over again. Shit.

> Again- let me say I am NOT talking about blaming

> victims - I'm talking about HOW TO NOT GET VICTIMIZED

> ANY MORE. Is anyone with me on this?!

>

> Kim

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

> Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> much mastered moderate alcohol use.

That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol use

because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See http://www.neo-

tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol is doing to

yourself. For the full matrix see http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

Sincerely,

Hunter

[Guest guest]

Ken,

I'm a bit concerned that you havent responded in anyway to this guy

who seems to be here for spamming purposes. Maybe his being here is

cool, but I'm anbit concerned about it.

Regarding the health aspects of alcohol, the epidemiology is actually

very clear that *moderate* use of alcohol is very good for one's

health, and does not produce neurological problems. This of course

may cease to be true if a person has damaged themselves by prolonged

excessive use. The optimal amount is surprisingly high to the point

that Stanton Peele says he has a problem drinking up to it.

Rather greater concern for me is Kim's " legal cannabis " question.

although moderate cannabis use probably isnt harmful either except

perhaps to the lungs, that you should ask such a question Kim suggests

that you are still thinking a little bit too much about getting

stoned; if the Drug War Gestapo wont let you do drugs that maybe you

can handle then I dont really see its worth trying to get round it.

If you happen to fall in with some social banana skin smokers or toad

lickers then good luck to you, but that you should go looking for

something, in and of itself, is to me a bit worrisome.

P.

>

> > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

>

> That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol use

> because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See http://www.neo-

> tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol is doing

to

> yourself. For the full matrix see http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

>

> Sincerely,

> Hunter

[Guest guest]

Hunter wrote:

>

>

>

> > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

>

> That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol use

> because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See http://www.neo-

> tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol is doing to

> yourself. For the full matrix see http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

>

> Sincerely,

> Hunter

,

This is a joke, isn't it?

Ken Ragge

[Guest guest]

unfortunatly no, look back at his earlier posts. this guy needs a

boot.

> >

> > > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

> >

> > That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol

use

> > because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See

http://www.neo-

> > tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol

is doing to

> > yourself. For the full matrix see

http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Hunter

>

> ,

>

> This is a joke, isn't it?

>

> Ken Ragge

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/23/01 5:47:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, kenr1@...

writes:

<< > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

>

> That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol use

> because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See http://www.neo-

> tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol is doing to

> yourself. For the full matrix see http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

>

> Sincerely,

> Hunter

,

This is a joke, isn't it?

Ken Ragge >>

Is it true that the list sometimes gets Scientology trolls?

(shudder). Piper.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/23/01 5:47:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, kenr1@...

writes:

<< > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

>

> That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol use

> because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See http://www.neo-

> tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol is doing to

> yourself. For the full matrix see http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

>

> Sincerely,

> Hunter

,

This is a joke, isn't it?

Ken Ragge >>

Is it true that the list sometimes gets Scientology trolls?

(shudder). Piper.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/23/01 5:47:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, kenr1@...

writes:

<< > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

>

> That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol use

> because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See http://www.neo-

> tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol is doing to

> yourself. For the full matrix see http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

>

> Sincerely,

> Hunter

,

This is a joke, isn't it?

Ken Ragge >>

Is it true that the list sometimes gets Scientology trolls?

(shudder). Piper.

[Guest guest]

I think Nate might like this. Or maybe Hunter is Nate. From the

" Neo-Tech " website:

IMMORAL CONCEPTS: ALTRUISM AND SACRIFICE

Genghis Khan an altruist? Stalin and Hitler[ 3 ] too? Yes,

they were altruists as were Jesus, Lincoln,

Mao, Schweitzer, Nader, Pope , and almost all other

professional mystics and

neocheaters. And as demonstrated in the Neo-Tech/Psychuous

Concepts, all current religions and

governments exist through altruism.

The dictionary definition of altruism is: " Uncalculated

consideration of, regard for, or devotion to

other's interests sometimes in accordance with ethical

principle. "

[Guest guest]

I think Nate might like this. Or maybe Hunter is Nate. From the

" Neo-Tech " website:

IMMORAL CONCEPTS: ALTRUISM AND SACRIFICE

Genghis Khan an altruist? Stalin and Hitler[ 3 ] too? Yes,

they were altruists as were Jesus, Lincoln,

Mao, Schweitzer, Nader, Pope , and almost all other

professional mystics and

neocheaters. And as demonstrated in the Neo-Tech/Psychuous

Concepts, all current religions and

governments exist through altruism.

The dictionary definition of altruism is: " Uncalculated

consideration of, regard for, or devotion to

other's interests sometimes in accordance with ethical

principle. "

[Guest guest]

not that i know of.

have seen them trolling alt.reocvery.from-12-steps

> In a message dated 1/23/01 5:47:22 PM Pacific Standard

Time, kenr1@c...

> writes:

>

> << > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

> >

> > That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol

use

> > because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See

http://www.neo-

> > tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol

is doing to

> > yourself. For the full matrix see

http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Hunter

>

> ,

>

> This is a joke, isn't it?

>

> Ken Ragge >>

>

> Is it true that the list sometimes gets Scientology trolls?

> (shudder). Piper.

[Guest guest]

not that i know of.

have seen them trolling alt.reocvery.from-12-steps

> In a message dated 1/23/01 5:47:22 PM Pacific Standard

Time, kenr1@c...

> writes:

>

> << > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

> >

> > That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol

use

> > because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See

http://www.neo-

> > tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol

is doing to

> > yourself. For the full matrix see

http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Hunter

>

> ,

>

> This is a joke, isn't it?

>

> Ken Ragge >>

>

> Is it true that the list sometimes gets Scientology trolls?

> (shudder). Piper.

[Guest guest]

not that i know of.

have seen them trolling alt.reocvery.from-12-steps

> In a message dated 1/23/01 5:47:22 PM Pacific Standard

Time, kenr1@c...

> writes:

>

> << > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

> >

> > That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol

use

> > because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See

http://www.neo-

> > tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol

is doing to

> > yourself. For the full matrix see

http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Hunter

>

> ,

>

> This is a joke, isn't it?

>

> Ken Ragge >>

>

> Is it true that the list sometimes gets Scientology trolls?

> (shudder). Piper.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

> >

> > That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol use

> > because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See http://www.neo-

> > tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol is doing to

> > yourself. For the full matrix see http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Hunter

[Guest guest]

> >

> > > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

> >

> > That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol use

> > because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See http://www.neo-

> > tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol is doing to

> > yourself. For the full matrix see http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Hunter

[Guest guest]

> >

> > > Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> > > much mastered moderate alcohol use.

> >

> > That's good. Now the next step would be to eliminate alcohol use

> > because it irreparably destroys brain cells. See http://www.neo-

> > tech.com/advantages/advantage60.html for the harm alcohol is doing to

> > yourself. For the full matrix see http://www.neo-tech.com/advantages

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Hunter

[Guest guest]

I think Nate might like this. Or maybe Hunter is Nate.

Pete-

You've got me. It's time for me to come out of the closet. I'm not Hunter, but I'm also not who I claim to be.

I am....................the bastard son of Bill .

He never recognized me publicly.

When I asked him to play catch or take me to a ball game, he told me to turn it over.

When I told him he hurt my feelings he told me it was a spiritual axiom that nobody could make me feel a certain way, that I chose to feel that way.

It's my life's goal to undermine his work.

Nate J. (The bastard son of Bill W.)

[Guest guest]

I think Nate might like this. Or maybe Hunter is Nate.

Pete-

You've got me. It's time for me to come out of the closet. I'm not Hunter, but I'm also not who I claim to be.

I am....................the bastard son of Bill .

He never recognized me publicly.

When I asked him to play catch or take me to a ball game, he told me to turn it over.

When I told him he hurt my feelings he told me it was a spiritual axiom that nobody could make me feel a certain way, that I chose to feel that way.

It's my life's goal to undermine his work.

Nate J. (The bastard son of Bill W.)

[Guest guest]

I think Nate might like this. Or maybe Hunter is Nate.

Pete-

You've got me. It's time for me to come out of the closet. I'm not Hunter, but I'm also not who I claim to be.

I am....................the bastard son of Bill .

He never recognized me publicly.

When I asked him to play catch or take me to a ball game, he told me to turn it over.

When I told him he hurt my feelings he told me it was a spiritual axiom that nobody could make me feel a certain way, that I chose to feel that way.

It's my life's goal to undermine his work.

Nate J. (The bastard son of Bill W.)

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> much mastered moderate alcohol use. It's just a

> question of doing what you set out to do. Remembering

> what you want to do and why and not changing your mind

> half way through. Deciding to be a person who's in

> control of their actions instead of throwing up your

> hands in helplessness and saying " Oh, gee- ha ha ! (Or

> " boo-hoo! " ) " I can't do it- SEE? I TOLD you I need

> someone else to control my physical body 'cause I

> can't !(Rape, anyone?) HOLY FRIG. Talk about setting

> yourself up to be victimized all over again. Shit.

> Again- let me say I am NOT talking about blaming

> victims - I'm talking about HOW TO NOT GET VICTIMIZED

> ANY MORE. Is anyone with me on this?!

>

<slaps Kim a high-five>

I'm with you!

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> much mastered moderate alcohol use. It's just a

> question of doing what you set out to do. Remembering

> what you want to do and why and not changing your mind

> half way through. Deciding to be a person who's in

> control of their actions instead of throwing up your

> hands in helplessness and saying " Oh, gee- ha ha ! (Or

> " boo-hoo! " ) " I can't do it- SEE? I TOLD you I need

> someone else to control my physical body 'cause I

> can't !(Rape, anyone?) HOLY FRIG. Talk about setting

> yourself up to be victimized all over again. Shit.

> Again- let me say I am NOT talking about blaming

> victims - I'm talking about HOW TO NOT GET VICTIMIZED

> ANY MORE. Is anyone with me on this?!

>

<slaps Kim a high-five>

I'm with you!

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Well, it's taken a bit of time but I have pretty

> much mastered moderate alcohol use. It's just a

> question of doing what you set out to do. Remembering

> what you want to do and why and not changing your mind

> half way through. Deciding to be a person who's in

> control of their actions instead of throwing up your

> hands in helplessness and saying " Oh, gee- ha ha ! (Or

> " boo-hoo! " ) " I can't do it- SEE? I TOLD you I need

> someone else to control my physical body 'cause I

> can't !(Rape, anyone?) HOLY FRIG. Talk about setting

> yourself up to be victimized all over again. Shit.

> Again- let me say I am NOT talking about blaming

> victims - I'm talking about HOW TO NOT GET VICTIMIZED

> ANY MORE. Is anyone with me on this?!

>

<slaps Kim a high-five>

I'm with you!

[Guest guest]

Hi Railroad.

Hunter

[Guest guest]

Hi Railroad.

Hunter

[Guest guest]

> the epidemiology is actually

> very clear that *moderate* use of alcohol is very good for one's

> health...

and

> although moderate cannabis use probably isnt harmful either except

> perhaps to the lungs...

Both alcohol and pot harm the human mind and body. In small amounts

they produce small but cumulative damage. Long-term use could result

in permanent damage. Neither is necessary for a healthy human life.

The most rational approach would be to discard these and other body

toxins.

But this does not mean that government should prevent the use of pot

or any other mind-disorienting drug. The only proper role of

government is to protect citizens from the use of initiatory force,

coercive threats, and fraud.

Hunter