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In a message dated 8/1/00 3:11:50 PM Central Daylight Time,

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<< swat him! :o) Another thing you can do is pull their hair along the back

of their neck whenever they do it so that they associate pain with biting you

and they will stop. >>

I have to say that I don't think this is the best recommendation for dealing

with a baby who's learning not to bite. Hurting a child is never ok and it

teaches them that if someone hurts you, you are entitled to hurt them back

and I just don't live by that philosophy. Not only that, but for a sensitive

baby it could ensue a nursing strike.

For me, when Drake went through the phase of occasionally biting I would very

firmly tell him " NO, NO bit mommy--biting hurts " and take him off for a

second and then relatch him. I did have to do this several/many times in a

row a few times and once even removed him from the breast totally and gave

him a teething toy, telling him this was for chewing, " nursie " was not for

chewing. It doesn't take them very long to figure it out if you do it

consistently, lovingly, yet firmly.........good luck.

Fawn

sahm to Drake 8-18-98

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In a message dated 8/1/00 8:38:11 PM Central Daylight Time, lam@...

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<< As for the choking, just watch her. If she is continuing to stuff things

in then take it away and explain small bites. otherwise let her go to town.

DS takes big bites and I just keep a glass of juice or bm near by to help

wash it down if he needs. He will usually gag when he gets to much in the

back of the throat.

>>

I just wanted to add to this that when a baby/toddler is choking it's

important that you don't automatically try to stick your finger in their

mouth to " get it " . It can push the food item down into their throat even

farther. We all have a gag reflex and the choking is very alarming but just

try to let him/her get it out on their own. Of course if it becomes aparent

that they aren't able to do this, then you need to intervene with the

heimlich maneuver. Just my .02 on the subject! I see way too many people

automatically jump up and start ramming adult sized fingers into little

mouths which actually interrupts the process and can make it worse!

Fawn

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In a message dated 8/1/00 8:38:11 PM Central Daylight Time, lam@...

writes:

<< As for the choking, just watch her. If she is continuing to stuff things

in then take it away and explain small bites. otherwise let her go to town.

DS takes big bites and I just keep a glass of juice or bm near by to help

wash it down if he needs. He will usually gag when he gets to much in the

back of the throat.

>>

I just wanted to add to this that when a baby/toddler is choking it's

important that you don't automatically try to stick your finger in their

mouth to " get it " . It can push the food item down into their throat even

farther. We all have a gag reflex and the choking is very alarming but just

try to let him/her get it out on their own. Of course if it becomes aparent

that they aren't able to do this, then you need to intervene with the

heimlich maneuver. Just my .02 on the subject! I see way too many people

automatically jump up and start ramming adult sized fingers into little

mouths which actually interrupts the process and can make it worse!

Fawn

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In a message dated 8/1/00 8:38:11 PM Central Daylight Time, lam@...

writes:

<< As for the choking, just watch her. If she is continuing to stuff things

in then take it away and explain small bites. otherwise let her go to town.

DS takes big bites and I just keep a glass of juice or bm near by to help

wash it down if he needs. He will usually gag when he gets to much in the

back of the throat.

>>

I just wanted to add to this that when a baby/toddler is choking it's

important that you don't automatically try to stick your finger in their

mouth to " get it " . It can push the food item down into their throat even

farther. We all have a gag reflex and the choking is very alarming but just

try to let him/her get it out on their own. Of course if it becomes aparent

that they aren't able to do this, then you need to intervene with the

heimlich maneuver. Just my .02 on the subject! I see way too many people

automatically jump up and start ramming adult sized fingers into little

mouths which actually interrupts the process and can make it worse!

Fawn

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<< swat him! :o) Another thing you can do is pull their hair along the back

of their neck whenever they do it so that they associate pain with biting

you

and they will stop. >> >>

Was this a serious piece of advice? Children cannot understand that what

they do causes someone else pain AND actually care until they are out of

their egocentric stage developmentally. This does not happen anywhere near

babyhood.

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<< swat him! :o) Another thing you can do is pull their hair along the back

of their neck whenever they do it so that they associate pain with biting

you

and they will stop. >> >>

Was this a serious piece of advice? Children cannot understand that what

they do causes someone else pain AND actually care until they are out of

their egocentric stage developmentally. This does not happen anywhere near

babyhood.

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<< swat him! :o) Another thing you can do is pull their hair along the back

of their neck whenever they do it so that they associate pain with biting

you

and they will stop. >> >>

Was this a serious piece of advice? Children cannot understand that what

they do causes someone else pain AND actually care until they are out of

their egocentric stage developmentally. This does not happen anywhere near

babyhood.

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In addition, if they can cough do nothing. They are breathing. It is a high squeak you worry about.

Laurie

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<< As for the choking, just watch her. If she is continuing to stuff things in then take it away and explain small bites. otherwise let her go to town. DS takes big bites and I just keep a glass of juice or bm near by to help wash it down if he needs. He will usually gag when he gets to much in the back of the throat. >>I just wanted to add to this that when a baby/toddler is choking it's important that you don't automatically try to stick your finger in their mouth to "get it". It can push the food item down into their throat even farther. We all have a gag reflex and the choking is very alarming but just try to let him/her get it out on their own. Of course if it becomes aparent that they aren't able to do this, then you need to intervene with the heimlich maneuver. Just my .02 on the subject! I see way too many people automatically jump up and start ramming adult sized fingers into little mouths which actually interrupts the process and can make it worse!FawnGive the Gift of Life Breastfeed!http://www.lactivist.com

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A friend of mine was visiting and we were giving the girls little bits

of pizza. Her daughter started to gag and I was pretty pleased at how

I kept my cool (and I think helped my friend to keep hers a little) and

let the baby manage to cough the pixxa bit out on her own and she was

fine. You're right about letting the reflexes take over! Why don't I

think of that when does it! WHen she gags my first thing to do

is try to reach in there and get the food out!!! I'll have to keep my

head the next time gags on something - last time it happened I

thought about it afterwards and told myself I should probably let her

work it out as long as she wasn't truly choking - just gagging.

Thanks!

--- Fawnf12@... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/1/00 8:38:11 PM Central Daylight Time,

> lam@...

> writes:

>

> << As for the choking, just watch her. If she is continuing to stuff

> things

> in then take it away and explain small bites. otherwise let her go

> to town.

> DS takes big bites and I just keep a glass of juice or bm near by to

> help

> wash it down if he needs. He will usually gag when he gets to much

> in the

> back of the throat.

> >>

> I just wanted to add to this that when a baby/toddler is choking it's

>

> important that you don't automatically try to stick your finger in

> their

> mouth to " get it " . It can push the food item down into their throat

> even

> farther. We all have a gag reflex and the choking is very alarming

> but just

> try to let him/her get it out on their own. Of course if it becomes

> aparent

> that they aren't able to do this, then you need to intervene with the

>

> heimlich maneuver. Just my .02 on the subject! I see way too many

> people

> automatically jump up and start ramming adult sized fingers into

> little

> mouths which actually interrupts the process and can make it worse!

> Fawn

>

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Owner, Soyster's Baby Boutique

http://babyboutique.safeshopper.com

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A friend of mine was visiting and we were giving the girls little bits

of pizza. Her daughter started to gag and I was pretty pleased at how

I kept my cool (and I think helped my friend to keep hers a little) and

let the baby manage to cough the pixxa bit out on her own and she was

fine. You're right about letting the reflexes take over! Why don't I

think of that when does it! WHen she gags my first thing to do

is try to reach in there and get the food out!!! I'll have to keep my

head the next time gags on something - last time it happened I

thought about it afterwards and told myself I should probably let her

work it out as long as she wasn't truly choking - just gagging.

Thanks!

--- Fawnf12@... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/1/00 8:38:11 PM Central Daylight Time,

> lam@...

> writes:

>

> << As for the choking, just watch her. If she is continuing to stuff

> things

> in then take it away and explain small bites. otherwise let her go

> to town.

> DS takes big bites and I just keep a glass of juice or bm near by to

> help

> wash it down if he needs. He will usually gag when he gets to much

> in the

> back of the throat.

> >>

> I just wanted to add to this that when a baby/toddler is choking it's

>

> important that you don't automatically try to stick your finger in

> their

> mouth to " get it " . It can push the food item down into their throat

> even

> farther. We all have a gag reflex and the choking is very alarming

> but just

> try to let him/her get it out on their own. Of course if it becomes

> aparent

> that they aren't able to do this, then you need to intervene with the

>

> heimlich maneuver. Just my .02 on the subject! I see way too many

> people

> automatically jump up and start ramming adult sized fingers into

> little

> mouths which actually interrupts the process and can make it worse!

> Fawn

>

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Owner, Soyster's Baby Boutique

http://babyboutique.safeshopper.com

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A friend of mine was visiting and we were giving the girls little bits

of pizza. Her daughter started to gag and I was pretty pleased at how

I kept my cool (and I think helped my friend to keep hers a little) and

let the baby manage to cough the pixxa bit out on her own and she was

fine. You're right about letting the reflexes take over! Why don't I

think of that when does it! WHen she gags my first thing to do

is try to reach in there and get the food out!!! I'll have to keep my

head the next time gags on something - last time it happened I

thought about it afterwards and told myself I should probably let her

work it out as long as she wasn't truly choking - just gagging.

Thanks!

--- Fawnf12@... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/1/00 8:38:11 PM Central Daylight Time,

> lam@...

> writes:

>

> << As for the choking, just watch her. If she is continuing to stuff

> things

> in then take it away and explain small bites. otherwise let her go

> to town.

> DS takes big bites and I just keep a glass of juice or bm near by to

> help

> wash it down if he needs. He will usually gag when he gets to much

> in the

> back of the throat.

> >>

> I just wanted to add to this that when a baby/toddler is choking it's

>

> important that you don't automatically try to stick your finger in

> their

> mouth to " get it " . It can push the food item down into their throat

> even

> farther. We all have a gag reflex and the choking is very alarming

> but just

> try to let him/her get it out on their own. Of course if it becomes

> aparent

> that they aren't able to do this, then you need to intervene with the

>

> heimlich maneuver. Just my .02 on the subject! I see way too many

> people

> automatically jump up and start ramming adult sized fingers into

> little

> mouths which actually interrupts the process and can make it worse!

> Fawn

>

=====

Soyster

Owner, Soyster's Baby Boutique

http://babyboutique.safeshopper.com

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Welcome Cheryl,

I feel that you would find many friends among this group that would

be happy to share their experiences with you, and help you with your

questions. To the best of my knowledge, there are no restrictions

upon a person's profession in the rules of membership, and there are

other health care professionals in our group.

Having a chronic illness can be very lonely, and FRUSTRATING......you

will see that word many times among our posts. That is why I have

found this group to be a haven, a place to go to vent, laugh, cry,

offer kind words, scream if you need to....whatever suits the mood.

But better than that, the information shared here, the wealth of

knowledge and personal experiences in dealing with Chronic

Pancreatitis and it's many related diseases has been overwhelming.

It has truly helped me personally in my efforts to deal with this

disease to have this group to turn to. I would hope that you would

find the same unity here that I have.

Plus, we can always use some " inside advise " , if you're willing to

share it! Our lives seem pretty centered between ourselves and our

health care, so to speak, but there's a whole lot more to it, outside

of that, that we discuss, too. Like, do you have any cats?

Please feel welcome!

Heidi in SC

> HI

> I am trying to find a group to discuss CP with, that does not judge

> me for being a health care professional and defensive when the

health

> care profession is critisized.I am well aware of the pitfalls of

> health care, Ihave been in it for eighteen years. I have seen a

> decline in treatment and a major decline in pt. care.

>

> But I am also a person with a chronic illness that needs to talk.

> I do not know what to expect from this disorder and at times ask

why

> me.

>

> If this acceptable to everyone please let me know. Becuase one

group

> I spoke with is not able to accept my defense of medicine. But keep

> in mind that I know there are problems (I myself have encountered

> them), but would like to help other sort through the problems and

> maybe get the answers that other have concerns about.

>

> Thank you

> Cheryl

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Welcome Cheryl,

I feel that you would find many friends among this group that would

be happy to share their experiences with you, and help you with your

questions. To the best of my knowledge, there are no restrictions

upon a person's profession in the rules of membership, and there are

other health care professionals in our group.

Having a chronic illness can be very lonely, and FRUSTRATING......you

will see that word many times among our posts. That is why I have

found this group to be a haven, a place to go to vent, laugh, cry,

offer kind words, scream if you need to....whatever suits the mood.

But better than that, the information shared here, the wealth of

knowledge and personal experiences in dealing with Chronic

Pancreatitis and it's many related diseases has been overwhelming.

It has truly helped me personally in my efforts to deal with this

disease to have this group to turn to. I would hope that you would

find the same unity here that I have.

Plus, we can always use some " inside advise " , if you're willing to

share it! Our lives seem pretty centered between ourselves and our

health care, so to speak, but there's a whole lot more to it, outside

of that, that we discuss, too. Like, do you have any cats?

Please feel welcome!

Heidi in SC

> HI

> I am trying to find a group to discuss CP with, that does not judge

> me for being a health care professional and defensive when the

health

> care profession is critisized.I am well aware of the pitfalls of

> health care, Ihave been in it for eighteen years. I have seen a

> decline in treatment and a major decline in pt. care.

>

> But I am also a person with a chronic illness that needs to talk.

> I do not know what to expect from this disorder and at times ask

why

> me.

>

> If this acceptable to everyone please let me know. Becuase one

group

> I spoke with is not able to accept my defense of medicine. But keep

> in mind that I know there are problems (I myself have encountered

> them), but would like to help other sort through the problems and

> maybe get the answers that other have concerns about.

>

> Thank you

> Cheryl

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Heidi,

Thank you and the other for the note. YES this very frustrating. I

just heard from my DR. a little while ago, and they are not sure why

I had such a bad episode a couple a weeks ago. Just have to wait for

next one and take it from there.

And no we do not have cats. We have have 3 very large dogs. My

husband is allergic to cats. The dogs range from 10 yrs. to 10 months.

Again thank you and everyone for their positve responses.

Cheryl

> > HI

> > I am trying to find a group to discuss CP with, that does not

judge

> > me for being a health care professional and defensive when the

> health

> > care profession is critisized.I am well aware of the pitfalls of

> > health care, Ihave been in it for eighteen years. I have seen a

> > decline in treatment and a major decline in pt. care.

> >

> > But I am also a person with a chronic illness that needs to talk.

> > I do not know what to expect from this disorder and at times ask

> why

> > me.

> >

> > If this acceptable to everyone please let me know. Becuase one

> group

> > I spoke with is not able to accept my defense of medicine. But

keep

> > in mind that I know there are problems (I myself have encountered

> > them), but would like to help other sort through the problems and

> > maybe get the answers that other have concerns about.

> >

> > Thank you

> > Cheryl

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Heidi,

Thank you and the other for the note. YES this very frustrating. I

just heard from my DR. a little while ago, and they are not sure why

I had such a bad episode a couple a weeks ago. Just have to wait for

next one and take it from there.

And no we do not have cats. We have have 3 very large dogs. My

husband is allergic to cats. The dogs range from 10 yrs. to 10 months.

Again thank you and everyone for their positve responses.

Cheryl

> > HI

> > I am trying to find a group to discuss CP with, that does not

judge

> > me for being a health care professional and defensive when the

> health

> > care profession is critisized.I am well aware of the pitfalls of

> > health care, Ihave been in it for eighteen years. I have seen a

> > decline in treatment and a major decline in pt. care.

> >

> > But I am also a person with a chronic illness that needs to talk.

> > I do not know what to expect from this disorder and at times ask

> why

> > me.

> >

> > If this acceptable to everyone please let me know. Becuase one

> group

> > I spoke with is not able to accept my defense of medicine. But

keep

> > in mind that I know there are problems (I myself have encountered

> > them), but would like to help other sort through the problems and

> > maybe get the answers that other have concerns about.

> >

> > Thank you

> > Cheryl

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Dear Cheryl,

Welcome to the list! You'll find plenty of " Medical field bashing " here,

a virtual buttload, but I suppose, boiled down, it's because so many folks on

this list feel so " burned " by a good deal of the medical community based on

their amazing lack of understanding of this disease.

I suppose in truth we've all had good experiences and we've all had bad

experiences... As have you, as you've indicated. Hopefully in the end, the

good will outweigh the bad for each of us.

That said, I don't think ANYbody here would ever suggest that you don't

defend the field which you obviously must love, in order to have been a part

of it for so long! Perhaps you can teach us and help guide us in many

respects... That would be great! With only minor exception, I think that

you'll find most folks here very open and willing to learn, in fact probably

more " eager " than willing, and that is one of the more pronounced factors

that draws persons to this list it seems.

Some of the other reasons that folks seem to be here are to experience

acceptance, camaraderie, sympathy, empathy and support; to learn new

techniques, information about medications, drugs, therapies, pain control and

management, surgical techniques and opportunities, advances in understanding

and study... just about every conceivable reason that could pertain to

chronic illness, specifically pancreatitis, that one could imagine and that

you probably already HAVE imagined, given your background!

So welcome, Cheryl, I hope you will find this list helpful, and I look

forward to learning from what you bring to the table. I think you will also

find that most of the folks on this list are also quite helpful, so all you

need to do is ask, and you'll find a very receptive crowd receiving your

query.

If it's okay, I'd like to start by asking a question of you - You

mentioned that one group that you spoke with was " not able to accept my

(your) defense of medicine. "

Would you be willing to expound on that a little?? I think it's very

interesting, and I'd love to know the how's and why's of a group of folks not

being receptive to your background... I can't imagine how it could be

anything but helpful... Please, please, fill me in!

Thanks Cheryl, and welcome to the circle. I'm sorry for that which - in

essence - brings you here, but I greatly look forward to learning from what

you bring.

Peace,

Terry in KC

<< HI

I am trying to find a group to discuss CP with, that does not judge

me for being a health care professional and defensive when the health

care profession is critisized.I am well aware of the pitfalls of

health care, Ihave been in it for eighteen years. I have seen a

decline in treatment and a major decline in pt. care.

But I am also a person with a chronic illness that needs to talk.

I do not know what to expect from this disorder and at times ask why

me.

If this acceptable to everyone please let me know. Becuase one group

I spoke with is not able to accept my defense of medicine. But keep

in mind that I know there are problems (I myself have encountered

them), but would like to help other sort through the problems and

maybe get the answers that other have concerns about.

Thank you

Cheryl

>>

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Dear Cheryl,

Welcome to the list! You'll find plenty of " Medical field bashing " here,

a virtual buttload, but I suppose, boiled down, it's because so many folks on

this list feel so " burned " by a good deal of the medical community based on

their amazing lack of understanding of this disease.

I suppose in truth we've all had good experiences and we've all had bad

experiences... As have you, as you've indicated. Hopefully in the end, the

good will outweigh the bad for each of us.

That said, I don't think ANYbody here would ever suggest that you don't

defend the field which you obviously must love, in order to have been a part

of it for so long! Perhaps you can teach us and help guide us in many

respects... That would be great! With only minor exception, I think that

you'll find most folks here very open and willing to learn, in fact probably

more " eager " than willing, and that is one of the more pronounced factors

that draws persons to this list it seems.

Some of the other reasons that folks seem to be here are to experience

acceptance, camaraderie, sympathy, empathy and support; to learn new

techniques, information about medications, drugs, therapies, pain control and

management, surgical techniques and opportunities, advances in understanding

and study... just about every conceivable reason that could pertain to

chronic illness, specifically pancreatitis, that one could imagine and that

you probably already HAVE imagined, given your background!

So welcome, Cheryl, I hope you will find this list helpful, and I look

forward to learning from what you bring to the table. I think you will also

find that most of the folks on this list are also quite helpful, so all you

need to do is ask, and you'll find a very receptive crowd receiving your

query.

If it's okay, I'd like to start by asking a question of you - You

mentioned that one group that you spoke with was " not able to accept my

(your) defense of medicine. "

Would you be willing to expound on that a little?? I think it's very

interesting, and I'd love to know the how's and why's of a group of folks not

being receptive to your background... I can't imagine how it could be

anything but helpful... Please, please, fill me in!

Thanks Cheryl, and welcome to the circle. I'm sorry for that which - in

essence - brings you here, but I greatly look forward to learning from what

you bring.

Peace,

Terry in KC

<< HI

I am trying to find a group to discuss CP with, that does not judge

me for being a health care professional and defensive when the health

care profession is critisized.I am well aware of the pitfalls of

health care, Ihave been in it for eighteen years. I have seen a

decline in treatment and a major decline in pt. care.

But I am also a person with a chronic illness that needs to talk.

I do not know what to expect from this disorder and at times ask why

me.

If this acceptable to everyone please let me know. Becuase one group

I spoke with is not able to accept my defense of medicine. But keep

in mind that I know there are problems (I myself have encountered

them), but would like to help other sort through the problems and

maybe get the answers that other have concerns about.

Thank you

Cheryl

>>

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Dear Cheryl,

Welcome to the list! You'll find plenty of " Medical field bashing " here,

a virtual buttload, but I suppose, boiled down, it's because so many folks on

this list feel so " burned " by a good deal of the medical community based on

their amazing lack of understanding of this disease.

I suppose in truth we've all had good experiences and we've all had bad

experiences... As have you, as you've indicated. Hopefully in the end, the

good will outweigh the bad for each of us.

That said, I don't think ANYbody here would ever suggest that you don't

defend the field which you obviously must love, in order to have been a part

of it for so long! Perhaps you can teach us and help guide us in many

respects... That would be great! With only minor exception, I think that

you'll find most folks here very open and willing to learn, in fact probably

more " eager " than willing, and that is one of the more pronounced factors

that draws persons to this list it seems.

Some of the other reasons that folks seem to be here are to experience

acceptance, camaraderie, sympathy, empathy and support; to learn new

techniques, information about medications, drugs, therapies, pain control and

management, surgical techniques and opportunities, advances in understanding

and study... just about every conceivable reason that could pertain to

chronic illness, specifically pancreatitis, that one could imagine and that

you probably already HAVE imagined, given your background!

So welcome, Cheryl, I hope you will find this list helpful, and I look

forward to learning from what you bring to the table. I think you will also

find that most of the folks on this list are also quite helpful, so all you

need to do is ask, and you'll find a very receptive crowd receiving your

query.

If it's okay, I'd like to start by asking a question of you - You

mentioned that one group that you spoke with was " not able to accept my

(your) defense of medicine. "

Would you be willing to expound on that a little?? I think it's very

interesting, and I'd love to know the how's and why's of a group of folks not

being receptive to your background... I can't imagine how it could be

anything but helpful... Please, please, fill me in!

Thanks Cheryl, and welcome to the circle. I'm sorry for that which - in

essence - brings you here, but I greatly look forward to learning from what

you bring.

Peace,

Terry in KC

<< HI

I am trying to find a group to discuss CP with, that does not judge

me for being a health care professional and defensive when the health

care profession is critisized.I am well aware of the pitfalls of

health care, Ihave been in it for eighteen years. I have seen a

decline in treatment and a major decline in pt. care.

But I am also a person with a chronic illness that needs to talk.

I do not know what to expect from this disorder and at times ask why

me.

If this acceptable to everyone please let me know. Becuase one group

I spoke with is not able to accept my defense of medicine. But keep

in mind that I know there are problems (I myself have encountered

them), but would like to help other sort through the problems and

maybe get the answers that other have concerns about.

Thank you

Cheryl

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Cheryl,

there are several people in this group who are medical professional (I

myself work for a medical center). Just try not to be too offended when

someone really vents about a problem dealing with some of the more

obtuse and obstructive members of the medical profession. Part of the

reason for this group is to allow a person to have somewhere they can

vent about anything, medical professionals included. Most of us are

aware that there are good doctors out there as well as bad. It's just a

question of finding them.

Kimber

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Pancreatitis Association, International

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Cheryl,

there are several people in this group who are medical professional (I

myself work for a medical center). Just try not to be too offended when

someone really vents about a problem dealing with some of the more

obtuse and obstructive members of the medical profession. Part of the

reason for this group is to allow a person to have somewhere they can

vent about anything, medical professionals included. Most of us are

aware that there are good doctors out there as well as bad. It's just a

question of finding them.

Kimber

--

Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

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Cheryl,

there are several people in this group who are medical professional (I

myself work for a medical center). Just try not to be too offended when

someone really vents about a problem dealing with some of the more

obtuse and obstructive members of the medical profession. Part of the

reason for this group is to allow a person to have somewhere they can

vent about anything, medical professionals included. Most of us are

aware that there are good doctors out there as well as bad. It's just a

question of finding them.

Kimber

--

Kimber

hominid2@...

California State Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association, International

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--Kimber

I agree totally. I just happened to be opinionated to a point.

Normally I am pretty sedate on most subjects. But this was a case

where JCAHO was being refered to as " laws " , and there was no way to

get across that they were standards not laws. Although I do speak my

mind,I am not offensive or rude. But in some cases it is just not

worth making a fuss over some issues, and that is why I most of the

time I keep quiet.

I really am very easy to get along with. I do not become offended

very easily.I just like to discuss the other side of issues, it helps

me know what other people are thinking.

THanks

Cheryl

- In pancreatitis@y..., Kimber <hominid2@c...> wrote:

> Cheryl,

> there are several people in this group who are medical professional

(I

> myself work for a medical center). Just try not to be too offended

when

> someone really vents about a problem dealing with some of the more

> obtuse and obstructive members of the medical profession. Part of

the

> reason for this group is to allow a person to have somewhere they

can

> vent about anything, medical professionals included. Most of us are

> aware that there are good doctors out there as well as bad. It's

just a

> question of finding them.

> Kimber

>

> --

> Kimber

>

> hominid2@c...

>

> California State Chapter Representative

>

> Pancreatitis Association, International

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--Kimber

I agree totally. I just happened to be opinionated to a point.

Normally I am pretty sedate on most subjects. But this was a case

where JCAHO was being refered to as " laws " , and there was no way to

get across that they were standards not laws. Although I do speak my

mind,I am not offensive or rude. But in some cases it is just not

worth making a fuss over some issues, and that is why I most of the

time I keep quiet.

I really am very easy to get along with. I do not become offended

very easily.I just like to discuss the other side of issues, it helps

me know what other people are thinking.

THanks

Cheryl

- In pancreatitis@y..., Kimber <hominid2@c...> wrote:

> Cheryl,

> there are several people in this group who are medical professional

(I

> myself work for a medical center). Just try not to be too offended

when

> someone really vents about a problem dealing with some of the more

> obtuse and obstructive members of the medical profession. Part of

the

> reason for this group is to allow a person to have somewhere they

can

> vent about anything, medical professionals included. Most of us are

> aware that there are good doctors out there as well as bad. It's

just a

> question of finding them.

> Kimber

>

> --

> Kimber

>

> hominid2@c...

>

> California State Chapter Representative

>

> Pancreatitis Association, International

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--Kimber

I agree totally. I just happened to be opinionated to a point.

Normally I am pretty sedate on most subjects. But this was a case

where JCAHO was being refered to as " laws " , and there was no way to

get across that they were standards not laws. Although I do speak my

mind,I am not offensive or rude. But in some cases it is just not

worth making a fuss over some issues, and that is why I most of the

time I keep quiet.

I really am very easy to get along with. I do not become offended

very easily.I just like to discuss the other side of issues, it helps

me know what other people are thinking.

THanks

Cheryl

- In pancreatitis@y..., Kimber <hominid2@c...> wrote:

> Cheryl,

> there are several people in this group who are medical professional

(I

> myself work for a medical center). Just try not to be too offended

when

> someone really vents about a problem dealing with some of the more

> obtuse and obstructive members of the medical profession. Part of

the

> reason for this group is to allow a person to have somewhere they

can

> vent about anything, medical professionals included. Most of us are

> aware that there are good doctors out there as well as bad. It's

just a

> question of finding them.

> Kimber

>

> --

> Kimber

>

> hominid2@c...

>

> California State Chapter Representative

>

> Pancreatitis Association, International

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