Introduction

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In a message dated 06/20/2000 7:52:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

bcomer@... writes:

<< The problem? He's still in the hospital for starters. Secondly, they've

been feeding him my pumped milk with a bottle. >>

First, ask if they can cup the baby.. they do this here at our NICU.. they

take a medicine cup, and the baby laps at the milk.. that way they keep from

getting nipple confusion.. You can certainly request any kind of care that

you would see fit, within medically reason.. and they should accomodate you..

Just because he is having a hard time breathing, and has to be in the

hospital.. he is still your baby..

Take care, any questions, feel free to EMail me

Christi

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In a message dated 06/20/2000 7:52:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

bcomer@... writes:

<< The problem? He's still in the hospital for starters. Secondly, they've

been feeding him my pumped milk with a bottle. >>

First, ask if they can cup the baby.. they do this here at our NICU.. they

take a medicine cup, and the baby laps at the milk.. that way they keep from

getting nipple confusion.. You can certainly request any kind of care that

you would see fit, within medically reason.. and they should accomodate you..

Just because he is having a hard time breathing, and has to be in the

hospital.. he is still your baby..

Take care, any questions, feel free to EMail me

Christi

[Guest guest]

Rene,

That's unfortunate what they put you thru in the hospital . When my

first child had to stay in the hospital for 5 days after I was released,

I couldn't bf him either - they let me express milk and give it to him

in a bottle - I didn't know any better then. But he would suck on

anything, so when we got home he took to the breast again. When you

bring your baby home just keep trying to get him to take the breast and

he will eventually. I was always self conscious to bf with someone

standing over my shoulder watching what I was doing. Prayers and best

wishes to you and your family! Joan

[Guest guest]

Rene,

That's unfortunate what they put you thru in the hospital . When my

first child had to stay in the hospital for 5 days after I was released,

I couldn't bf him either - they let me express milk and give it to him

in a bottle - I didn't know any better then. But he would suck on

anything, so when we got home he took to the breast again. When you

bring your baby home just keep trying to get him to take the breast and

he will eventually. I was always self conscious to bf with someone

standing over my shoulder watching what I was doing. Prayers and best

wishes to you and your family! Joan

[Guest guest]

Rene,

That's unfortunate what they put you thru in the hospital . When my

first child had to stay in the hospital for 5 days after I was released,

I couldn't bf him either - they let me express milk and give it to him

in a bottle - I didn't know any better then. But he would suck on

anything, so when we got home he took to the breast again. When you

bring your baby home just keep trying to get him to take the breast and

he will eventually. I was always self conscious to bf with someone

standing over my shoulder watching what I was doing. Prayers and best

wishes to you and your family! Joan

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list! I am glad that your little boy is healthy and I hope he

comes home soon. I am sure that these ladies can help you!

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Christian 8, Caleb 6, Kiernan 2 & Nick 2 months

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list! I am glad that your little boy is healthy and I hope he

comes home soon. I am sure that these ladies can help you!

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</A>

Christian 8, Caleb 6, Kiernan 2 & Nick 2 months

[Guest guest]

Rene,

You need to find an IBCLC or a La Leche League Leader in your area. It is

important that you get some QUALITY help getting him to breast. It is not

impossible and when you bring him home you will find it to be much easier.

He was probably suctioned quite a bit and having nurses jam your head to the

breast doesn't help. He is probably having mouth aversion where he is not

liking everything they have done to his mouth and he is a little reluctant

to try anything new. Do they not know how to fingerfeed in that hospital.

That would help him get to the breast easier than with bottles. Here is a

link to help you find a LLL leader in your area. It is a volunteer

organization so they don't charge for talking with them.

http://www.lalecheleague.org/WebIndex.html

Wendi

http://www.lactivist.com

breastfeeding info & resources

Introduction

Hello...my name is René and I was once a part of this list but it was some

months ago and my baby was not born yet. I have since given birth to my 4th

son, Dean, who is now 11 days old. He was born at 36 weeks and is still in

the NICU recovering from respiratory distress syndrome and jaundice. Even

at 36 weeks, he weighed in at 7lbs, 19 in. I have 3 teenage sons as well

and none of them were breastfed for various reasons but I am bound and very

determined to breastfeed Dean.

The problem? He's still in the hospital for starters. Secondly, they've

been feeding him my pumped milk with a bottle. Thirdly, he's also had

periodic access to a pacifier, even though I expressly asked them not to

give it to him. Point number four, I had my first breastfeeding experience

at the hospital about 3 days ago and here's what happened: I put him to

breast and he was screaming because obviously it was a bottle like he was

used to. The nurse at this point, takes a hold of his little head and

shoves it onto my nipple and hold it there while he starts to scream louder

and throw his little arms around in frustration. Another nurse comes over

and

offers her two cents worth, to no avail, at this point as well. After a

whole 2 minutes of trying this, the nurse lets go of his head and hands me a

bottle and tells my husband and I that its time for him to eat. Period.

I attempted once more to breastfeed him and that was a failed attempt as

well.......luckily the nurses left me alone this time. I felt more positive

about it even though it wasn't successful. But now I find myself refusing

to make attempts at the hospital, despite some of the nurses offering to

help me directly or even to give me the opportunity to breastfeed.

I'm soooooooooooo worried that after 5 days of bottle nipples, I'll never

get him to the breast. Hell, I'm still waiting to take him home!!

I'm also worried about my milk supply and how that whole thing

works.....I know its the perpetual " supply and demand " thing but pumping can

only do so much, right? Doesn't the baby have to actually be with me to

make this whole breastfeeding experience a success story?

Is there anything that I can do while he's in the hospital to increase my

milk supply? What do I need to do when he comes home to get him

exclusively on the breast? HELP!!!

René

Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Rene,

You need to find an IBCLC or a La Leche League Leader in your area. It is

important that you get some QUALITY help getting him to breast. It is not

impossible and when you bring him home you will find it to be much easier.

He was probably suctioned quite a bit and having nurses jam your head to the

breast doesn't help. He is probably having mouth aversion where he is not

liking everything they have done to his mouth and he is a little reluctant

to try anything new. Do they not know how to fingerfeed in that hospital.

That would help him get to the breast easier than with bottles. Here is a

link to help you find a LLL leader in your area. It is a volunteer

organization so they don't charge for talking with them.

http://www.lalecheleague.org/WebIndex.html

Wendi

http://www.lactivist.com

breastfeeding info & resources

Introduction

Hello...my name is René and I was once a part of this list but it was some

months ago and my baby was not born yet. I have since given birth to my 4th

son, Dean, who is now 11 days old. He was born at 36 weeks and is still in

the NICU recovering from respiratory distress syndrome and jaundice. Even

at 36 weeks, he weighed in at 7lbs, 19 in. I have 3 teenage sons as well

and none of them were breastfed for various reasons but I am bound and very

determined to breastfeed Dean.

The problem? He's still in the hospital for starters. Secondly, they've

been feeding him my pumped milk with a bottle. Thirdly, he's also had

periodic access to a pacifier, even though I expressly asked them not to

give it to him. Point number four, I had my first breastfeeding experience

at the hospital about 3 days ago and here's what happened: I put him to

breast and he was screaming because obviously it was a bottle like he was

used to. The nurse at this point, takes a hold of his little head and

shoves it onto my nipple and hold it there while he starts to scream louder

and throw his little arms around in frustration. Another nurse comes over

and

offers her two cents worth, to no avail, at this point as well. After a

whole 2 minutes of trying this, the nurse lets go of his head and hands me a

bottle and tells my husband and I that its time for him to eat. Period.

I attempted once more to breastfeed him and that was a failed attempt as

well.......luckily the nurses left me alone this time. I felt more positive

about it even though it wasn't successful. But now I find myself refusing

to make attempts at the hospital, despite some of the nurses offering to

help me directly or even to give me the opportunity to breastfeed.

I'm soooooooooooo worried that after 5 days of bottle nipples, I'll never

get him to the breast. Hell, I'm still waiting to take him home!!

I'm also worried about my milk supply and how that whole thing

works.....I know its the perpetual " supply and demand " thing but pumping can

only do so much, right? Doesn't the baby have to actually be with me to

make this whole breastfeeding experience a success story?

Is there anything that I can do while he's in the hospital to increase my

milk supply? What do I need to do when he comes home to get him

exclusively on the breast? HELP!!!

René

Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

http://www.lactivist.com

[Guest guest]

Rene,

First of all congratulations on your son! Secondly, I may not have much

to offer in what to do about helping to get him to nurse better but I will

say that I would tell that/those nurses to butt out that you want to see the

lactation consultant. I cannot believe that nurse did that--it was rude,

inconsiderate and mean to do to all of you. Secondly, tell them again, and

again and again that he is not to have a pacifier if that is your desire. If

you have to, ask to talk to a head nurse or someone in charge. Remember he

is YOUR son and you have every right to demand that he's taken care of in the

way you and your husband wish.

Do not give up on nursing him from your breast. I know it may take awhile

and some real hard work and determination but hang in there. Maybe you could

just start out trying to hold him skin to skin on your chest without actually

trying to get him to nurse. Maybe nature will just help him along and he'll

wiggle himself to your breast. I'm certainly no expert but from that point I

think he may " mess around " with it for a while and maybe end up

nursing.....Holding his head there and expecting him not to react to that is

preposterous--of course he won't nurse that way. BTW--no slam on you by any

means, it's those nurses I'm frustrated at! I'm sure you'll get lots of

great ideas from the ladies here and I'm pulling for you! Please keep in

touch!

Fawn

sahm to Drake 8-18-98

[Guest guest]

Rene,

First of all congratulations on your son! Secondly, I may not have much

to offer in what to do about helping to get him to nurse better but I will

say that I would tell that/those nurses to butt out that you want to see the

lactation consultant. I cannot believe that nurse did that--it was rude,

inconsiderate and mean to do to all of you. Secondly, tell them again, and

again and again that he is not to have a pacifier if that is your desire. If

you have to, ask to talk to a head nurse or someone in charge. Remember he

is YOUR son and you have every right to demand that he's taken care of in the

way you and your husband wish.

Do not give up on nursing him from your breast. I know it may take awhile

and some real hard work and determination but hang in there. Maybe you could

just start out trying to hold him skin to skin on your chest without actually

trying to get him to nurse. Maybe nature will just help him along and he'll

wiggle himself to your breast. I'm certainly no expert but from that point I

think he may " mess around " with it for a while and maybe end up

nursing.....Holding his head there and expecting him not to react to that is

preposterous--of course he won't nurse that way. BTW--no slam on you by any

means, it's those nurses I'm frustrated at! I'm sure you'll get lots of

great ideas from the ladies here and I'm pulling for you! Please keep in

touch!

Fawn

sahm to Drake 8-18-98

[Guest guest]

Rene,

First of all congratulations on your son! Secondly, I may not have much

to offer in what to do about helping to get him to nurse better but I will

say that I would tell that/those nurses to butt out that you want to see the

lactation consultant. I cannot believe that nurse did that--it was rude,

inconsiderate and mean to do to all of you. Secondly, tell them again, and

again and again that he is not to have a pacifier if that is your desire. If

you have to, ask to talk to a head nurse or someone in charge. Remember he

is YOUR son and you have every right to demand that he's taken care of in the

way you and your husband wish.

Do not give up on nursing him from your breast. I know it may take awhile

and some real hard work and determination but hang in there. Maybe you could

just start out trying to hold him skin to skin on your chest without actually

trying to get him to nurse. Maybe nature will just help him along and he'll

wiggle himself to your breast. I'm certainly no expert but from that point I

think he may " mess around " with it for a while and maybe end up

nursing.....Holding his head there and expecting him not to react to that is

preposterous--of course he won't nurse that way. BTW--no slam on you by any

means, it's those nurses I'm frustrated at! I'm sure you'll get lots of

great ideas from the ladies here and I'm pulling for you! Please keep in

touch!

Fawn

sahm to Drake 8-18-98

[Guest guest]

Hi Rene!

Congratulations on Dean's birth! Take in some DEEEP whiffs of that newborn

for me!! Mmmm!

Since Dean's nurses are aware that there is some difficulty getting nursing

started for you and Dean, would they be willing to feed him from a

non-bottle container so that he will learn to meet his sucking needs at

your breast? If they could feed him from a cup, a syringe, a medicine

spoon, a dropper, or a feeding tube on their finger, it might help him be

more willing to accept your breast for sucking... which will eventually

transition to nursing.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rene!

Congratulations on Dean's birth! Take in some DEEEP whiffs of that newborn

for me!! Mmmm!

Since Dean's nurses are aware that there is some difficulty getting nursing

started for you and Dean, would they be willing to feed him from a

non-bottle container so that he will learn to meet his sucking needs at

your breast? If they could feed him from a cup, a syringe, a medicine

spoon, a dropper, or a feeding tube on their finger, it might help him be

more willing to accept your breast for sucking... which will eventually

transition to nursing.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rene!

Congratulations on Dean's birth! Take in some DEEEP whiffs of that newborn

for me!! Mmmm!

Since Dean's nurses are aware that there is some difficulty getting nursing

started for you and Dean, would they be willing to feed him from a

non-bottle container so that he will learn to meet his sucking needs at

your breast? If they could feed him from a cup, a syringe, a medicine

spoon, a dropper, or a feeding tube on their finger, it might help him be

more willing to accept your breast for sucking... which will eventually

transition to nursing.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/20/00 2:14:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Fawnf12@...

writes:

<< BTW--no slam on you by any

means, it's those nurses I'm frustrated at! I'm sure you'll get lots of

great ideas from the ladies here and I'm pulling for you! Please keep in

touch! >>

I am mad at those nurses also !! Why in the world would that baby want to

latch on with someone shoving his poor little head into the breast the first

instinct would be to pull back, it has to be done with a slow, loving hand

not roughly done, for goodness sakes the baby needs to learn how to latch and

eat not fight for breath. I am not in no way saying anything about you either

because sometimes in a situation things can get overwhelming and things just

happen, but you would think that IC nurses would know how important a loving

hand is, when you get your baby home things will get calmer and I am sure you

will have a wonderful breastfeeding relationship.

Rhonda

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In a message dated 6/20/00 2:14:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Fawnf12@...

writes:

<< BTW--no slam on you by any

means, it's those nurses I'm frustrated at! I'm sure you'll get lots of

great ideas from the ladies here and I'm pulling for you! Please keep in

touch! >>

I am mad at those nurses also !! Why in the world would that baby want to

latch on with someone shoving his poor little head into the breast the first

instinct would be to pull back, it has to be done with a slow, loving hand

not roughly done, for goodness sakes the baby needs to learn how to latch and

eat not fight for breath. I am not in no way saying anything about you either

because sometimes in a situation things can get overwhelming and things just

happen, but you would think that IC nurses would know how important a loving

hand is, when you get your baby home things will get calmer and I am sure you

will have a wonderful breastfeeding relationship.

Rhonda

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alladvantage.com and make money for surfing the net !!!!</A>

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In a message dated 6/20/00 2:14:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Fawnf12@...

writes:

<< BTW--no slam on you by any

means, it's those nurses I'm frustrated at! I'm sure you'll get lots of

great ideas from the ladies here and I'm pulling for you! Please keep in

touch! >>

I am mad at those nurses also !! Why in the world would that baby want to

latch on with someone shoving his poor little head into the breast the first

instinct would be to pull back, it has to be done with a slow, loving hand

not roughly done, for goodness sakes the baby needs to learn how to latch and

eat not fight for breath. I am not in no way saying anything about you either

because sometimes in a situation things can get overwhelming and things just

happen, but you would think that IC nurses would know how important a loving

hand is, when you get your baby home things will get calmer and I am sure you

will have a wonderful breastfeeding relationship.

Rhonda

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alladvantage.com and make money for surfing the net !!!!</A>

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Hello Everyone,

I am new to this list and thought I would introduce myself. My name is

Debbie and I have a 4 month old little boy named AJ. I am BF exclusively

since he is not too excited about taking a bottle. I feed him before I go

to work in the morning, come home at lunch and feed him and then feed him

right after work. So he has about 4 hours between feedings (does this sound

reasonable?) Even when I get home at lunch he doesn't appear to be THAT

hungry and doesn't really eat that long...same thing after work. He just

doesn't appear to be a real big eater...any ideas on how to increase his

appetite?

I am heading out of town for a family reunion so I won't be here for a few

days. This will be AJ's first long road trip....

Thanks, Debbie

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[Guest guest]

Hello Everyone,

I am new to this list and thought I would introduce myself. My name is

Debbie and I have a 4 month old little boy named AJ. I am BF exclusively

since he is not too excited about taking a bottle. I feed him before I go

to work in the morning, come home at lunch and feed him and then feed him

right after work. So he has about 4 hours between feedings (does this sound

reasonable?) Even when I get home at lunch he doesn't appear to be THAT

hungry and doesn't really eat that long...same thing after work. He just

doesn't appear to be a real big eater...any ideas on how to increase his

appetite?

I am heading out of town for a family reunion so I won't be here for a few

days. This will be AJ's first long road trip....

Thanks, Debbie

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[Guest guest]

Hello Everyone,

I am new to this list and thought I would introduce myself. My name is

Debbie and I have a 4 month old little boy named AJ. I am BF exclusively

since he is not too excited about taking a bottle. I feed him before I go

to work in the morning, come home at lunch and feed him and then feed him

right after work. So he has about 4 hours between feedings (does this sound

reasonable?) Even when I get home at lunch he doesn't appear to be THAT

hungry and doesn't really eat that long...same thing after work. He just

doesn't appear to be a real big eater...any ideas on how to increase his

appetite?

I am heading out of town for a family reunion so I won't be here for a few

days. This will be AJ's first long road trip....

Thanks, Debbie

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[Guest guest]

I can totally relate. Although my daughter would not nurse to begin with at

all.

She is now 8 weeks old and its just within the last couple weeks that we're

getting better at nursing. She is on mostly breastmilk but does get

supplemented with formula every now and then. We are hopeing that

eventually we'll move strictly to breastfeeding. Being that she completely

refused the breast to begin with and screamed at the top of her lungs, I think

we've come a long way.

I am nursing about 2-4 times a day pumping the rest of the time. Since we

had so much trouble my supply is not equal with what she needs, which is

why every now and then she gets the formula.

I am still experiencing nipple soreness but MUCH less than before. Someone

on this list suggested that I take Tylenol (THANK YOU whoever that was) and

that has helped tremendously. Also expressing some milk and leaving that on

the nipple to dry completely helps a great deal. I was told that the milk has

healing properties and sure enough it must because that really helps.

As far as DH's feeling helpless I can relate to that also. My hubby could help

when Abby wasnt nursing well...he'd sit with a syringe while I had her at the

breast and he'd squirt the milk into her mouth and she'd suck for a second.

Now he cant really do much to help with the nipple soreness except offer

support. I'm told that eventually it gets better. And I must say,

comparitively

speaking our situation is MUCH MUCH better than it was 8 weeks ago.

Try the Tylenol and the milk and I'm sure there will be lots and lots of other

suggestions from those that know much much more than me.

> Hello,

> I am introducing myself. I just joined yesterday and am interested in

> making breastfeeding work, so I have been reading the pointers given so

> far. My son, Adam, is 6 weeks old, born 5-9-00 at 9 lbs. 7 oz. I

> continue to experience pain, sometimes very bad pain, mostly due to nipple

> soreness. I am hoping that support will help me continue to breastfeed.

> My mom has been helpful and I have been in touch with my local lactation

> consultant (took her class before Adam was born). My husband is very

> supportive though he feels somewhat helpless.

>

> Carla Zorko

> carladee@...

>

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> http://www.lactivist.com

>

>

-Jen

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[Guest guest]

I can totally relate. Although my daughter would not nurse to begin with at

all.

She is now 8 weeks old and its just within the last couple weeks that we're

getting better at nursing. She is on mostly breastmilk but does get

supplemented with formula every now and then. We are hopeing that

eventually we'll move strictly to breastfeeding. Being that she completely

refused the breast to begin with and screamed at the top of her lungs, I think

we've come a long way.

I am nursing about 2-4 times a day pumping the rest of the time. Since we

had so much trouble my supply is not equal with what she needs, which is

why every now and then she gets the formula.

I am still experiencing nipple soreness but MUCH less than before. Someone

on this list suggested that I take Tylenol (THANK YOU whoever that was) and

that has helped tremendously. Also expressing some milk and leaving that on

the nipple to dry completely helps a great deal. I was told that the milk has

healing properties and sure enough it must because that really helps.

As far as DH's feeling helpless I can relate to that also. My hubby could help

when Abby wasnt nursing well...he'd sit with a syringe while I had her at the

breast and he'd squirt the milk into her mouth and she'd suck for a second.

Now he cant really do much to help with the nipple soreness except offer

support. I'm told that eventually it gets better. And I must say,

comparitively

speaking our situation is MUCH MUCH better than it was 8 weeks ago.

Try the Tylenol and the milk and I'm sure there will be lots and lots of other

suggestions from those that know much much more than me.

> Hello,

> I am introducing myself. I just joined yesterday and am interested in

> making breastfeeding work, so I have been reading the pointers given so

> far. My son, Adam, is 6 weeks old, born 5-9-00 at 9 lbs. 7 oz. I

> continue to experience pain, sometimes very bad pain, mostly due to nipple

> soreness. I am hoping that support will help me continue to breastfeed.

> My mom has been helpful and I have been in touch with my local lactation

> consultant (took her class before Adam was born). My husband is very

> supportive though he feels somewhat helpless.

>

> Carla Zorko

> carladee@...

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE Secure, online sales force

> automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year!

> http://click./1/2658/0/_/410002/_/961630576/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

> http://www.lactivist.com

>

>

-Jen

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I was born Creative, not Patient.

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Debbie,

I am curious as to whether AJ nurses a lot at night? If he does, then he

makes up for the difference in the daytime. It could be that he is an

efficient eater and doesn't need much time to complete his meals. Does he

produce 6 or so wet diapers a day? How is his weight gain?

If your answers are all affirmative you are in good shape. Otherwise, I

hope others have clues on how to increase his eating. That was never a need

for me.

Amy Lynn M.

mother of 2/10/00 and 1/25/98

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Debbie,

I am curious as to whether AJ nurses a lot at night? If he does, then he

makes up for the difference in the daytime. It could be that he is an

efficient eater and doesn't need much time to complete his meals. Does he

produce 6 or so wet diapers a day? How is his weight gain?

If your answers are all affirmative you are in good shape. Otherwise, I

hope others have clues on how to increase his eating. That was never a need

for me.

Amy Lynn M.

mother of 2/10/00 and 1/25/98