Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLY

January 4, 2010

>Buuuut like said earlier, we shouldn't trust a digital thermometer. Now

I know there are split opinions on this, but.. I can't see how a mercury (?)

thermometer could lie. If they could only have kept the mercury in THERMOMETERS

- They had to put it into my mouth and give me hypothyroidism too!

My personal experience of digital is that they have done the job for

me and agreed well with a mercury one.

When they have given trouble is when they have been much colder than

normal as a starting point and then they made the part of my mouth

that they were in cold as they had too much thermal mass to be warmed

without taking heat away from me.

I found that moving the digital around in my mouth as it warmed up

gave me a more plausible and higher number. This made a big difference

when the thermometer was in the car overnight.

Nick

January 4, 2010

>Buuuut like said earlier, we shouldn't trust a digital thermometer. Now

I know there are split opinions on this, but.. I can't see how a mercury (?)

thermometer could lie. If they could only have kept the mercury in THERMOMETERS

- They had to put it into my mouth and give me hypothyroidism too!

My personal experience of digital is that they have done the job for

me and agreed well with a mercury one.

When they have given trouble is when they have been much colder than

normal as a starting point and then they made the part of my mouth

that they were in cold as they had too much thermal mass to be warmed

without taking heat away from me.

I found that moving the digital around in my mouth as it warmed up

gave me a more plausible and higher number. This made a big difference

when the thermometer was in the car overnight.

Nick

January 4, 2010

Well I'll get an oldstyle one just to compare!Nick, shouldt my temps be lower than than I am "hypo" ? My face looks HYPO-horrible!

>Buuuut like said earlier, we shouldn't trust a digital thermometer. Now I know there are split opinions on this, but.. I can't see how a mercury (?) thermometer could lie. If they could only have kept the mercury in THERMOMETERS - They had to put it into my mouth and give me hypothyroidism too!

My personal experience of digital is that they have done the job for

me and agreed well with a mercury one.

When they have given trouble is when they have been much colder than

normal as a starting point and then they made the part of my mouth

that they were in cold as they had too much thermal mass to be warmed

without taking heat away from me.

I found that moving the digital around in my mouth as it warmed up

gave me a more plausible and higher number. This made a big difference

when the thermometer was in the car overnight.

Nick

January 4, 2010

Well I'll get an oldstyle one just to compare!Nick, shouldt my temps be lower than than I am "hypo" ? My face looks HYPO-horrible!

>Buuuut like said earlier, we shouldn't trust a digital thermometer. Now I know there are split opinions on this, but.. I can't see how a mercury (?) thermometer could lie. If they could only have kept the mercury in THERMOMETERS - They had to put it into my mouth and give me hypothyroidism too!

My personal experience of digital is that they have done the job for

me and agreed well with a mercury one.

When they have given trouble is when they have been much colder than

normal as a starting point and then they made the part of my mouth

that they were in cold as they had too much thermal mass to be warmed

without taking heat away from me.

I found that moving the digital around in my mouth as it warmed up

gave me a more plausible and higher number. This made a big difference

when the thermometer was in the car overnight.

Nick

January 4, 2010

Well I'll get an oldstyle one just to compare!Nick, shouldt my temps be lower than than I am "hypo" ? My face looks HYPO-horrible!

>Buuuut like said earlier, we shouldn't trust a digital thermometer. Now I know there are split opinions on this, but.. I can't see how a mercury (?) thermometer could lie. If they could only have kept the mercury in THERMOMETERS - They had to put it into my mouth and give me hypothyroidism too!

My personal experience of digital is that they have done the job for

me and agreed well with a mercury one.

When they have given trouble is when they have been much colder than

normal as a starting point and then they made the part of my mouth

that they were in cold as they had too much thermal mass to be warmed

without taking heat away from me.

I found that moving the digital around in my mouth as it warmed up

gave me a more plausible and higher number. This made a big difference

when the thermometer was in the car overnight.

Nick

January 4, 2010

Maybe you are one of the very few people who can take thyroid meds and it

actually adds to what your body is making instead of suppressing the TSH.

Or you could have a chronic infection that is causing the high temps, like EBV

or Lymes. No doctor will likely believe you on this one, though, unless you go

to a CFS specialist like Holtorf group.

A final possibility is that for YOU, an optimal temp is higher than 98.6. My

husband's normal temp is 98.9 and has been his entire life. And that lucky dog

is healthy as a horse and has tons of energy!!

Kathleen

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> However, Nick, my shouldn't my temps have been lower due to my

Hypothyroid-state?

> I am on 15 mcg T3 daily. NOT a lot. How does this work? Is it juuust enough T3

to not

> set down my temp or do I still have enough production of T4/T3 myself to keep

temps stable?

> I remember freezing in my teens before I got diagnosed and got T4-med.

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January 4, 2010

Maybe you are one of the very few people who can take thyroid meds and it

actually adds to what your body is making instead of suppressing the TSH.

Or you could have a chronic infection that is causing the high temps, like EBV

or Lymes. No doctor will likely believe you on this one, though, unless you go

to a CFS specialist like Holtorf group.

A final possibility is that for YOU, an optimal temp is higher than 98.6. My

husband's normal temp is 98.9 and has been his entire life. And that lucky dog

is healthy as a horse and has tons of energy!!

Kathleen

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> However, Nick, my shouldn't my temps have been lower due to my

Hypothyroid-state?

> I am on 15 mcg T3 daily. NOT a lot. How does this work? Is it juuust enough T3

to not

> set down my temp or do I still have enough production of T4/T3 myself to keep

temps stable?

> I remember freezing in my teens before I got diagnosed and got T4-med.

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January 4, 2010

Maybe you are one of the very few people who can take thyroid meds and it

actually adds to what your body is making instead of suppressing the TSH.

Or you could have a chronic infection that is causing the high temps, like EBV

or Lymes. No doctor will likely believe you on this one, though, unless you go

to a CFS specialist like Holtorf group.

A final possibility is that for YOU, an optimal temp is higher than 98.6. My

husband's normal temp is 98.9 and has been his entire life. And that lucky dog

is healthy as a horse and has tons of energy!!

Kathleen

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> However, Nick, my shouldn't my temps have been lower due to my

Hypothyroid-state?

> I am on 15 mcg T3 daily. NOT a lot. How does this work? Is it juuust enough T3

to not

> set down my temp or do I still have enough production of T4/T3 myself to keep

temps stable?

> I remember freezing in my teens before I got diagnosed and got T4-med.

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January 4, 2010

Maybe you are one of the very few people who can take thyroid meds and it

actually adds to what your body is making instead of suppressing the TSH.

Or you could have a chronic infection that is causing the high temps, like EBV

or Lymes. No doctor will likely believe you on this one, though, unless you go

to a CFS specialist like Holtorf group.

A final possibility is that for YOU, an optimal temp is higher than 98.6. My

husband's normal temp is 98.9 and has been his entire life. And that lucky dog

is healthy as a horse and has tons of energy!!

Kathleen

>

> However, Nick, my shouldn't my temps have been lower due to my

Hypothyroid-state?

> I am on 15 mcg T3 daily. NOT a lot. How does this work? Is it juuust enough T3

to not

> set down my temp or do I still have enough production of T4/T3 myself to keep

temps stable?

> I remember freezing in my teens before I got diagnosed and got T4-med.

>

January 4, 2010

Yes, there is a way. One is symptoms like you said, but another way is TAKE YOUR

TEMP 3 times a day and you will quickly see if you are on enough HC or not.

You have repeatedly posted here that your temps are stable. SO you are on enough

HC and do not need more. For all we know you may even need less. You don't just

go up to 40 because it's the safe upper limit!!

Have you even tested your free t3 lately to see exactly what your levels are on

the dose of Cytomel you are taking?

There ARE other things that can make people feel badly even if there temps are

good. I already mentioned in another post that a chronic infection could be

causing falsely high temps. Check out Holtorf's website. Google it; I don't know

the URL off the top of my head.

For a woman, so can progesterone make temps falsely high. Maybe your

progesterone is high even though you are a man. I don't know. Have you have sex

hormones checked?

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urine levels of cortisol while on 20-40 mg HC? Cause then HC alone could raise

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January 4, 2010

Yes, there is a way. One is symptoms like you said, but another way is TAKE YOUR

TEMP 3 times a day and you will quickly see if you are on enough HC or not.

You have repeatedly posted here that your temps are stable. SO you are on enough

HC and do not need more. For all we know you may even need less. You don't just

go up to 40 because it's the safe upper limit!!

Have you even tested your free t3 lately to see exactly what your levels are on

the dose of Cytomel you are taking?

There ARE other things that can make people feel badly even if there temps are

good. I already mentioned in another post that a chronic infection could be

causing falsely high temps. Check out Holtorf's website. Google it; I don't know

the URL off the top of my head.

For a woman, so can progesterone make temps falsely high. Maybe your

progesterone is high even though you are a man. I don't know. Have you have sex

hormones checked?

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urine levels of cortisol while on 20-40 mg HC? Cause then HC alone could raise

rT3! Just checking.

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January 4, 2010

Yes, there is a way. One is symptoms like you said, but another way is TAKE YOUR

TEMP 3 times a day and you will quickly see if you are on enough HC or not.

You have repeatedly posted here that your temps are stable. SO you are on enough

HC and do not need more. For all we know you may even need less. You don't just

go up to 40 because it's the safe upper limit!!

Have you even tested your free t3 lately to see exactly what your levels are on

the dose of Cytomel you are taking?

There ARE other things that can make people feel badly even if there temps are

good. I already mentioned in another post that a chronic infection could be

causing falsely high temps. Check out Holtorf's website. Google it; I don't know

the URL off the top of my head.

For a woman, so can progesterone make temps falsely high. Maybe your

progesterone is high even though you are a man. I don't know. Have you have sex

hormones checked?

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urine levels of cortisol while on 20-40 mg HC? Cause then HC alone could raise

rT3! Just checking.

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January 4, 2010

Thanks for your feedback!! I appreciate it!You are right. I have no idea how much HC I need. Maybe I should've stopped at 10 mgfor all I know. I just raised the dose to 27.5 mg because my specialist said I needed tobe "backed up good" by HC when I started taking T3-only. I was on 100 mcg T4 and40 mcg T3 when I got atrial fibrillation. I survived. It lasted for 20 minutes. It was the mosthorrifying experience of my life!I've had my sex hormones checked and the female ones are normal, haha.. BUT my shbgand testosterone are low.I also Know that I have chronically infected tonsil. They've been like that for 8 years,possibly contributing to my Adrenal Fatigue.I also have a crooked (not straight) nose wall (what do you call it? septum deviation?)which is causing possible infections. I just took some nose

spray and can breathemore easily with my nose now. But I still have that horrible headache! HORRIBLE.Just went down to 25 mg HC.This is soooo hard! Figuring out what is what!As for iron folks - Can it be dangerous to a person even if the Ferritin is quite low?I take 100 mg amino ferrochel iron daily. My Ferritin was at 55 last time I checked.(30th of December 2009)Subject: Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:59 AM

Yes, there is a way. One is symptoms like you said, but another way is TAKE YOUR TEMP 3 times a day and you will quickly see if you are on enough HC or not.

You have repeatedly posted here that your temps are stable. SO you are on enough HC and do not need more. For all we know you may even need less. You don't just go up to 40 because it's the safe upper limit!!

Have you even tested your free t3 lately to see exactly what your levels are on the dose of Cytomel you are taking?

There ARE other things that can make people feel badly even if there temps are good. I already mentioned in another post that a chronic infection could be causing falsely high temps. Check out Holtorf's website. Google it; I don't know the URL off the top of my head.

For a woman, so can progesterone make temps falsely high. Maybe your progesterone is high even though you are a man. I don't know. Have you have sex hormones checked?

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January 4, 2010

Thanks for your feedback!! I appreciate it!You are right. I have no idea how much HC I need. Maybe I should've stopped at 10 mgfor all I know. I just raised the dose to 27.5 mg because my specialist said I needed tobe "backed up good" by HC when I started taking T3-only. I was on 100 mcg T4 and40 mcg T3 when I got atrial fibrillation. I survived. It lasted for 20 minutes. It was the mosthorrifying experience of my life!I've had my sex hormones checked and the female ones are normal, haha.. BUT my shbgand testosterone are low.I also Know that I have chronically infected tonsil. They've been like that for 8 years,possibly contributing to my Adrenal Fatigue.I also have a crooked (not straight) nose wall (what do you call it? septum deviation?)which is causing possible infections. I just took some nose

spray and can breathemore easily with my nose now. But I still have that horrible headache! HORRIBLE.Just went down to 25 mg HC.This is soooo hard! Figuring out what is what!As for iron folks - Can it be dangerous to a person even if the Ferritin is quite low?I take 100 mg amino ferrochel iron daily. My Ferritin was at 55 last time I checked.(30th of December 2009)Subject: Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:59 AM

Yes, there is a way. One is symptoms like you said, but another way is TAKE YOUR TEMP 3 times a day and you will quickly see if you are on enough HC or not.

You have repeatedly posted here that your temps are stable. SO you are on enough HC and do not need more. For all we know you may even need less. You don't just go up to 40 because it's the safe upper limit!!

Have you even tested your free t3 lately to see exactly what your levels are on the dose of Cytomel you are taking?

There ARE other things that can make people feel badly even if there temps are good. I already mentioned in another post that a chronic infection could be causing falsely high temps. Check out Holtorf's website. Google it; I don't know the URL off the top of my head.

For a woman, so can progesterone make temps falsely high. Maybe your progesterone is high even though you are a man. I don't know. Have you have sex hormones checked?

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January 4, 2010

Thanks for your feedback!! I appreciate it!You are right. I have no idea how much HC I need. Maybe I should've stopped at 10 mgfor all I know. I just raised the dose to 27.5 mg because my specialist said I needed tobe "backed up good" by HC when I started taking T3-only. I was on 100 mcg T4 and40 mcg T3 when I got atrial fibrillation. I survived. It lasted for 20 minutes. It was the mosthorrifying experience of my life!I've had my sex hormones checked and the female ones are normal, haha.. BUT my shbgand testosterone are low.I also Know that I have chronically infected tonsil. They've been like that for 8 years,possibly contributing to my Adrenal Fatigue.I also have a crooked (not straight) nose wall (what do you call it? septum deviation?)which is causing possible infections. I just took some nose

spray and can breathemore easily with my nose now. But I still have that horrible headache! HORRIBLE.Just went down to 25 mg HC.This is soooo hard! Figuring out what is what!As for iron folks - Can it be dangerous to a person even if the Ferritin is quite low?I take 100 mg amino ferrochel iron daily. My Ferritin was at 55 last time I checked.(30th of December 2009)Subject: Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:59 AM

Yes, there is a way. One is symptoms like you said, but another way is TAKE YOUR TEMP 3 times a day and you will quickly see if you are on enough HC or not.

You have repeatedly posted here that your temps are stable. SO you are on enough HC and do not need more. For all we know you may even need less. You don't just go up to 40 because it's the safe upper limit!!

Have you even tested your free t3 lately to see exactly what your levels are on the dose of Cytomel you are taking?

There ARE other things that can make people feel badly even if there temps are good. I already mentioned in another post that a chronic infection could be causing falsely high temps. Check out Holtorf's website. Google it; I don't know the URL off the top of my head.

For a woman, so can progesterone make temps falsely high. Maybe your progesterone is high even though you are a man. I don't know. Have you have sex hormones checked?

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January 4, 2010

Your " specialist " just put you on HC without testing your cortisol first?!

Regardless, since your temps are stable, I would still try to wean down to 20

and if your temps stay stable as you wean, well, that's your answer.

If you can get to Hertoghe, I would run there. He is excellent.

If testosterone is low, you need to get that up. That alone could cause fatigue.

Hertoghe likes high testosterone levels I do believe.

Chronic infections -- if you can't get a doctor to believe you and treat it, try

self remedies with various herbs. Get the book: Fatigued to Fantasic. It has a

great section on treating infections naturally with herbs. It CAN work - but you

have to take a lot. I'm not sure you can get all the herbs in your ountry or

not, but you could try to import. www.iherb.com has good prices and many people

buy from them internationally.

Yes, it's called deviated septum and could cause problems.

I think you need to get rid of the infections even if it's with herbs as you

will have a hard time figuring out what is what. But you also need some thryoid

labs to see what is going on with that, too. It is hard to beat infections with

low thyroid levels.

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January 4, 2010

Your " specialist " just put you on HC without testing your cortisol first?!

Regardless, since your temps are stable, I would still try to wean down to 20

and if your temps stay stable as you wean, well, that's your answer.

If you can get to Hertoghe, I would run there. He is excellent.

If testosterone is low, you need to get that up. That alone could cause fatigue.

Hertoghe likes high testosterone levels I do believe.

Chronic infections -- if you can't get a doctor to believe you and treat it, try

self remedies with various herbs. Get the book: Fatigued to Fantasic. It has a

great section on treating infections naturally with herbs. It CAN work - but you

have to take a lot. I'm not sure you can get all the herbs in your ountry or

not, but you could try to import. www.iherb.com has good prices and many people

buy from them internationally.

Yes, it's called deviated septum and could cause problems.

I think you need to get rid of the infections even if it's with herbs as you

will have a hard time figuring out what is what. But you also need some thryoid

labs to see what is going on with that, too. It is hard to beat infections with

low thyroid levels.

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January 4, 2010

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The atrial fibrillation is VERY scary! I woke up with it on Mother's Day in May. My heart rate was 180 and I felt awful all over. I was in an a-fib state from before 8:00 a.m. until it went back into a normal rhythm almost 24 hours later. If it didn't go back they were going to have to shock me. I am so glad the medication helped. So I know what you mean about being scared that it will return. I was in the hospital for 3 days.

Terri

January 4, 2010

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The atrial fibrillation is VERY scary! I woke up with it on Mother's Day in May. My heart rate was 180 and I felt awful all over. I was in an a-fib state from before 8:00 a.m. until it went back into a normal rhythm almost 24 hours later. If it didn't go back they were going to have to shock me. I am so glad the medication helped. So I know what you mean about being scared that it will return. I was in the hospital for 3 days.

Terri

January 4, 2010

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The atrial fibrillation is VERY scary! I woke up with it on Mother's Day in May. My heart rate was 180 and I felt awful all over. I was in an a-fib state from before 8:00 a.m. until it went back into a normal rhythm almost 24 hours later. If it didn't go back they were going to have to shock me. I am so glad the medication helped. So I know what you mean about being scared that it will return. I was in the hospital for 3 days.

Terri

January 5, 2010

I still don't know exactly what kind of fibrillation this was. It went like this: (Story!)For 3 weeks in the beginning of 2008, I had tachycardia every single night when I went tobed (at 4-5 am). The heart was beating HARD and fast. I am a drummer so I know mybeats and timing. It beat at least 300 bpm. Real heartbeats, hard and fast. No skipping, noirregularities.Then one night, in late January 2008, while on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3, which I hadbeen on for 4 years already (and T4-only 6 years before that), I was trying to sleep.It was about 4 am, and I was staying at my parents house cause I couldn't sleep alonein my apartment - I was too worried about the tachycardia coming to me every night.But this night was going to be different.I had been stressing more and more in the last months, ever since suffering

frompressure on the chest in May 2007. From May 2007, it was just getting worse and worse - my condition. More and more stress, and I couldn't tell why this was happening to me.Finally, that night in late January 2008, my heart started skipping beats, and beatingvery irregularly, for maybe 5-6 seconds, then it started to beat very weakly, then it happened:An extreme TICKLING feeling started inside my chest, and right in my heart. Like tenthousand feathers was tickling me at the same time, and it also felt like sharp needlespoking my heart at the same time as that. It was the most horrible feeling I ever, ever had!And BOOM - The heart started to RACE. But it wasn't beating. Not like it did beforewhen I got my tachycardias. This time, the heart went totally NUTS. I quickly measuredthe "pulse" to more than 800 bpm, which is impossible. Then it became clear to me:The heart isn't beating - It's SHAKING, very

weakly, and extremely FAST.For 20 minutes this lasted. I called the ambulance, but refused from having them come over. Don't ask me why. I couldn't think clearly. My parents woke up and didn't understand anything.After 20 minutes it passed and I lived on. In the coming days I was put in the hospital, they found nothing wrong with my heart except a right blockage of the electricity (within normal limits they said) and some leaking of a valve (also normal). I was trying to tell them that I am starting to get very sick - And that there is something going on with my heart. They thought I was a mental case, cause they didn't find anything wrong with my heart, even on ultrasound. "You have been thoroughly checked! You are healthy!" And that was it. Soon after this, the new endocrinologist I was given, immediately stopped my T3 because of HIGH FT3 (16.0 - Range: 3.5 - 7.0) and because she said that I had never had Hypothyroidism. Even

when 100 lbs was added to my weight in my teens, I was healthy she said. Even when I was freezing in my teens, and barely could not think. Healthy. She brainwashed me into thinking I was healthy at that time, so I thought "hey let's give it a go!" and accepted that we would start the removal of my thyroid meds.40 mcg T3 went down to 0 mcg in 4 weeks. (Isn't that a BIT fast?)100 mcg T4 was dosed UP to 150 mcg in one day, to "compensate" for the lack of T3-meds, she said.Then, after a few months, we dosed down the T4, down down down all through 2008 and into 2009. When I finally stopped the attempt to remove my medications. At 50/75 mcg T4 every other day.I only felt worse and worse like that - I couldn't go on. Adrenal Fatigue was diagnosed later in 2009, in June, by 1 saliva test, and by taking my blood pressure when I was sitting, then standing up. This was at a new specialists office. That new specialist is my current

one!Now, what the HECK was that thing with my heart? What caused it? Was it adrenal fatiguecausing T3 to pool in my blood or what? Or rT3 stopping T3 from entering my cells?My temp was normal at the time. I was just VERY, VERY STRESSED ALL THE TIMEback then.Hmmm! Trying to sovle my mystery. What's REALLY wrong with me?Subject: Re: Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 2:20 AM

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The atrial fibrillation is VERY scary! I woke up with it on Mother's Day in May. My heart rate was 180 and I felt awful all over. I was in an a-fib state from before 8:00 a.m. until it went back into a normal rhythm almost 24 hours later. If it didn't go back they were going to have to shock me. I am so glad the medication helped. So I know what you mean about being scared that it will return. I was in the hospital for 3 days.

Terri

January 5, 2010

I still don't know exactly what kind of fibrillation this was. It went like this: (Story!)For 3 weeks in the beginning of 2008, I had tachycardia every single night when I went tobed (at 4-5 am). The heart was beating HARD and fast. I am a drummer so I know mybeats and timing. It beat at least 300 bpm. Real heartbeats, hard and fast. No skipping, noirregularities.Then one night, in late January 2008, while on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3, which I hadbeen on for 4 years already (and T4-only 6 years before that), I was trying to sleep.It was about 4 am, and I was staying at my parents house cause I couldn't sleep alonein my apartment - I was too worried about the tachycardia coming to me every night.But this night was going to be different.I had been stressing more and more in the last months, ever since suffering

frompressure on the chest in May 2007. From May 2007, it was just getting worse and worse - my condition. More and more stress, and I couldn't tell why this was happening to me.Finally, that night in late January 2008, my heart started skipping beats, and beatingvery irregularly, for maybe 5-6 seconds, then it started to beat very weakly, then it happened:An extreme TICKLING feeling started inside my chest, and right in my heart. Like tenthousand feathers was tickling me at the same time, and it also felt like sharp needlespoking my heart at the same time as that. It was the most horrible feeling I ever, ever had!And BOOM - The heart started to RACE. But it wasn't beating. Not like it did beforewhen I got my tachycardias. This time, the heart went totally NUTS. I quickly measuredthe "pulse" to more than 800 bpm, which is impossible. Then it became clear to me:The heart isn't beating - It's SHAKING, very

weakly, and extremely FAST.For 20 minutes this lasted. I called the ambulance, but refused from having them come over. Don't ask me why. I couldn't think clearly. My parents woke up and didn't understand anything.After 20 minutes it passed and I lived on. In the coming days I was put in the hospital, they found nothing wrong with my heart except a right blockage of the electricity (within normal limits they said) and some leaking of a valve (also normal). I was trying to tell them that I am starting to get very sick - And that there is something going on with my heart. They thought I was a mental case, cause they didn't find anything wrong with my heart, even on ultrasound. "You have been thoroughly checked! You are healthy!" And that was it. Soon after this, the new endocrinologist I was given, immediately stopped my T3 because of HIGH FT3 (16.0 - Range: 3.5 - 7.0) and because she said that I had never had Hypothyroidism. Even

when 100 lbs was added to my weight in my teens, I was healthy she said. Even when I was freezing in my teens, and barely could not think. Healthy. She brainwashed me into thinking I was healthy at that time, so I thought "hey let's give it a go!" and accepted that we would start the removal of my thyroid meds.40 mcg T3 went down to 0 mcg in 4 weeks. (Isn't that a BIT fast?)100 mcg T4 was dosed UP to 150 mcg in one day, to "compensate" for the lack of T3-meds, she said.Then, after a few months, we dosed down the T4, down down down all through 2008 and into 2009. When I finally stopped the attempt to remove my medications. At 50/75 mcg T4 every other day.I only felt worse and worse like that - I couldn't go on. Adrenal Fatigue was diagnosed later in 2009, in June, by 1 saliva test, and by taking my blood pressure when I was sitting, then standing up. This was at a new specialists office. That new specialist is my current

one!Now, what the HECK was that thing with my heart? What caused it? Was it adrenal fatiguecausing T3 to pool in my blood or what? Or rT3 stopping T3 from entering my cells?My temp was normal at the time. I was just VERY, VERY STRESSED ALL THE TIMEback then.Hmmm! Trying to sovle my mystery. What's REALLY wrong with me?Subject: Re: Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLYTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 2:20 AM

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The atrial fibrillation is VERY scary! I woke up with it on Mother's Day in May. My heart rate was 180 and I felt awful all over. I was in an a-fib state from before 8:00 a.m. until it went back into a normal rhythm almost 24 hours later. If it didn't go back they were going to have to shock me. I am so glad the medication helped. So I know what you mean about being scared that it will return. I was in the hospital for 3 days.

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She made 1 saliva sample (http://www.nightrangerweb.net/cortisol.pdf) and based on that,the story of my life especially concentrating on the past 2 years I had felt extreme stressin my body after a traumatic experience, and measuring my blood pressure while sittingThen immediately after I stood up, she gave me HC. Without a doubt, she said I had AF.I can't trust my own temperature readings from before I started taking HC (I did thedrrind.com things for 1 month prior to starting HC!) cause I was measuring for 10 minutessometimes, then 5 minutes, and I got like different readings depeding on how long Imeasured. No system! Today, I measure for about 1 minute every time and just writedown the temp I am getting when I do so. I use a digital thermometer.I will call Hertoghe today. I will even fly down to Belgium (not too

far from Norway)if I must. I need to get of this condition! Nobody knows what's wrong with me.If I could only have normal Hypothyroidism. I have Type 2, Hypo from an unknown cause.My testosterone has been low since we measured it for the first time in 1997. It was likenear the bottom. 16, I believe. How do one get that up?Thank you - I use iherb.com regularly! I'll check out the book.Well, dear group, there is something I don't get about my thyroid levels:The endos tried to remove ALL my medications in 2008, based on the fact that myvery first thyroid bloodwork was NORMAL back in 1997 before I took any thyroid meds.(I was put on T4 a few weeks later, by a private specialist who believes in treating bySymptoms!) But, see, when I did ween off T3, and almost weened off T4 this spring,I got results like theis while on 50/75 mcg T4 daily: (I had been on 50/75 mcg T4 daily for2 weeks when I took

this test, and 75 mcg T4 daily for a few months before that!)FT4 15.4 (9 - 20)FT3 5.7 (3.5 - 7.0)TSH 0.75 (0.5 - 3.6)This is a PROOF that after 10 years on normal high doses of T4 and T3 combo, mythyroid gland is still working! I have no idea what these levels would look like with NOmedication at all.BUT LEVELS DON'T MATTER if you have cell-resistance and the T3 won't reach the cells!I can very well be a person like this. . . . .I want to cry now. So much confision. So many fights. I've been sick for almost 20 years now. I am 31.Anyone have a take on the thyroid levels from this spring?I am currently on 15 mcg T3 and 25.0 mg HC. (Went down from 27.5 mg HC yesterdaydue to utterly horrible headaches!)As for the temps... They've been quite stable since before I started taking HC, and quitenormal. Maybe a bit more stable while on HC. But who knows, maybe I just needed 10

mgHC? 20 mg HC? Should I ween down until my temps start go off whack?Thanks..

Your "specialist" just put you on HC without testing your cortisol first?! Regardless, since your temps are stable, I would still try to wean down to 20 and if your temps stay stable as you wean, well, that's your answer.

If you can get to Hertoghe, I would run there. He is excellent.

If testosterone is low, you need to get that up. That alone could cause fatigue. Hertoghe likes high testosterone levels I do believe.

Chronic infections -- if you can't get a doctor to believe you and treat it, try self remedies with various herbs. Get the book: Fatigued to Fantasic. It has a great section on treating infections naturally with herbs. It CAN work - but you have to take a lot. I'm not sure you can get all the herbs in your ountry or not, but you could try to import. www.iherb.com has good prices and many people buy from them internationally.

Yes, it's called deviated septum and could cause problems.

I think you need to get rid of the infections even if it's with herbs as you will have a hard time figuring out what is what. But you also need some thryoid labs to see what is going on with that, too. It is hard to beat infections with low thyroid levels.

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