Alcohol

[Guest guest]

I always thought a hangover is actually withdrawal from alcohol. Not sure

what happens exactly, but dialysis certainly does dehydrate you fast, on

purpose (think of what it would feel like if you rapidly, over a period of 3

hours, lost 2 or 3 kgs worth of fluid!), and it takes out many things,

including whatever alcohol puts in you. The nurses where I go know that

phenomenon well. Another interesting thing I didn't know until I started

dialysis is that hemodialysis is often used to quickly remove drugs and

other things in the case of various drug overdose scenarios, even if the

person doesn't have kidney failure.

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> Huh, now that one is interesting. I'd always thought (perhaps wrongly)

> that hangovers were due to a combination of dehydration and metabolites of

> the alcohol. Perhaps my understanding was all wrong...

>

> Cy

[Guest guest]

I always thought a hangover is actually withdrawal from alcohol. Not sure

what happens exactly, but dialysis certainly does dehydrate you fast, on

purpose (think of what it would feel like if you rapidly, over a period of 3

hours, lost 2 or 3 kgs worth of fluid!), and it takes out many things,

including whatever alcohol puts in you. The nurses where I go know that

phenomenon well. Another interesting thing I didn't know until I started

dialysis is that hemodialysis is often used to quickly remove drugs and

other things in the case of various drug overdose scenarios, even if the

person doesn't have kidney failure.

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> Huh, now that one is interesting. I'd always thought (perhaps wrongly)

> that hangovers were due to a combination of dehydration and metabolites of

> the alcohol. Perhaps my understanding was all wrong...

>

> Cy

[Guest guest]

I always thought a hangover is actually withdrawal from alcohol. Not sure

what happens exactly, but dialysis certainly does dehydrate you fast, on

purpose (think of what it would feel like if you rapidly, over a period of 3

hours, lost 2 or 3 kgs worth of fluid!), and it takes out many things,

including whatever alcohol puts in you. The nurses where I go know that

phenomenon well. Another interesting thing I didn't know until I started

dialysis is that hemodialysis is often used to quickly remove drugs and

other things in the case of various drug overdose scenarios, even if the

person doesn't have kidney failure.

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> Huh, now that one is interesting. I'd always thought (perhaps wrongly)

> that hangovers were due to a combination of dehydration and metabolites of

> the alcohol. Perhaps my understanding was all wrong...

>

> Cy

[Guest guest]

Dave,

Our hero! Suffering for the sake of the group. What a sacrifice :-)

In a message dated 3/20/2004 2:18:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,

garradh@... writes:

> Ok, for the sake of science I will have a load of beer tonight and talk you

> all through this!

>

> Tsk the things I have to do! ;o)

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, for the sake of science I will have a load of beer tonight and talk you all

through this!

Tsk the things I have to do! ;o)

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> Huh, now that one is interesting. I'd always thought (perhaps wrongly)

> that hangovers were due to a combination of dehydration and metabolites of

> the alcohol. Perhaps my understanding was all wrong...

>

> Cy

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I know - you know I was wanting to go to bed, but no I opened ANOTHER beer!

Things I do for friends ;o)

Dave

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

Dave,

Our hero! Suffering for the sake of the group. What a sacrifice :-)

In a message dated 3/20/2004 2:18:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,

garradh@... writes:

> Ok, for the sake of science I will have a load of beer tonight and talk you

> all through this!

>

> Tsk the things I have to do! ;o)

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, that is fascinating. Alcohol dehydrates you big time. I used to use

100% pure ethanol in my standards when I ran blood alcohol levels on serum

samples in lab. It's problematic stuff to work with because if you don't

cap it fast, it literally pulls the moisture out of the air and you end up

with a greater volume of liquid than you started with! Hate to think what

it does to water concentration in tissues if you indulge too much...

Cy

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

>

>

> > Huh, now that one is interesting. I'd always thought (perhaps wrongly)

> > that hangovers were due to a combination of dehydration and metabolites

of

> > the alcohol. Perhaps my understanding was all wrong...

> >

> > Cy

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Actually Cy you were right. A hangover is largely due to the dehydration

caused by alcohol as the alcohol blocks anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). This

is also why you have to pee so much when you drink, as your body can't

regulate its water content and lets too much water " go " . This also causes

a loss of some vitamins (e.g. B12), and all that added with the

metabolites from liver hydrolyzing the alcohol floating around your

bloodstream can make for a rough " day after " !!

Quick withdrawal from the alcohol during dialysis shouldn't cause a

hangover, unless there is an alcoholism/dependency issue going on

there....

-

Cy Webb

03/20/2004 12:45 AM

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Subject: Re: Re:ALCOHOL

Huh, now that one is interesting. I'd always thought (perhaps wrongly)

that hangovers were due to a combination of dehydration and metabolites of

the alcohol. Perhaps my understanding was all wrong...

Cy

Re:ALCOHOL

>

>

> > I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

> > started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

> > handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

> > ate or drank.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Actually Cy you were right. A hangover is largely due to the dehydration

caused by alcohol as the alcohol blocks anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). This

is also why you have to pee so much when you drink, as your body can't

regulate its water content and lets too much water " go " . This also causes

a loss of some vitamins (e.g. B12), and all that added with the

metabolites from liver hydrolyzing the alcohol floating around your

bloodstream can make for a rough " day after " !!

Quick withdrawal from the alcohol during dialysis shouldn't cause a

hangover, unless there is an alcoholism/dependency issue going on

there....

-

Cy Webb

03/20/2004 12:45 AM

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To: iga-nephropathy

cc:

Subject: Re: Re:ALCOHOL

Huh, now that one is interesting. I'd always thought (perhaps wrongly)

that hangovers were due to a combination of dehydration and metabolites of

the alcohol. Perhaps my understanding was all wrong...

Cy

Re:ALCOHOL

>

>

> > I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

> > started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

> > handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

> > ate or drank.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Just don't expect me to try it just to prove it

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> Actually Cy you were right. A hangover is largely due to the dehydration

> caused by alcohol as the alcohol blocks anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). This

> is also why you have to pee so much when you drink, as your body can't

> regulate its water content and lets too much water " go " . This also causes

> a loss of some vitamins (e.g. B12), and all that added with the

> metabolites from liver hydrolyzing the alcohol floating around your

> bloodstream can make for a rough " day after " !!

>

> Quick withdrawal from the alcohol during dialysis shouldn't cause a

> hangover, unless there is an alcoholism/dependency issue going on

> there....

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just don't expect me to try it just to prove it

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> Actually Cy you were right. A hangover is largely due to the dehydration

> caused by alcohol as the alcohol blocks anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). This

> is also why you have to pee so much when you drink, as your body can't

> regulate its water content and lets too much water " go " . This also causes

> a loss of some vitamins (e.g. B12), and all that added with the

> metabolites from liver hydrolyzing the alcohol floating around your

> bloodstream can make for a rough " day after " !!

>

> Quick withdrawal from the alcohol during dialysis shouldn't cause a

> hangover, unless there is an alcoholism/dependency issue going on

> there....

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just don't expect me to try it just to prove it

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> Actually Cy you were right. A hangover is largely due to the dehydration

> caused by alcohol as the alcohol blocks anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). This

> is also why you have to pee so much when you drink, as your body can't

> regulate its water content and lets too much water " go " . This also causes

> a loss of some vitamins (e.g. B12), and all that added with the

> metabolites from liver hydrolyzing the alcohol floating around your

> bloodstream can make for a rough " day after " !!

>

> Quick withdrawal from the alcohol during dialysis shouldn't cause a

> hangover, unless there is an alcoholism/dependency issue going on

> there....

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just don't expect me to try it just to prove it

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> Actually Cy you were right. A hangover is largely due to the dehydration

> caused by alcohol as the alcohol blocks anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). This

> is also why you have to pee so much when you drink, as your body can't

> regulate its water content and lets too much water " go " . This also causes

> a loss of some vitamins (e.g. B12), and all that added with the

> metabolites from liver hydrolyzing the alcohol floating around your

> bloodstream can make for a rough " day after " !!

>

> Quick withdrawal from the alcohol during dialysis shouldn't cause a

> hangover, unless there is an alcoholism/dependency issue going on

> there....

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just don't expect me to try it just to prove it

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> Actually Cy you were right. A hangover is largely due to the dehydration

> caused by alcohol as the alcohol blocks anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). This

> is also why you have to pee so much when you drink, as your body can't

> regulate its water content and lets too much water " go " . This also causes

> a loss of some vitamins (e.g. B12), and all that added with the

> metabolites from liver hydrolyzing the alcohol floating around your

> bloodstream can make for a rough " day after " !!

>

> Quick withdrawal from the alcohol during dialysis shouldn't cause a

> hangover, unless there is an alcoholism/dependency issue going on

> there....

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

You're a real trooper, Dave.

I have plenty of experience in having hangovers, but I've never studied the

physiology of it

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

>

>

> I always thought a hangover is actually withdrawal from alcohol. Not

sure

> what happens exactly, but dialysis certainly does dehydrate you fast, on

> purpose (think of what it would feel like if you rapidly, over a period

of 3

> hours, lost 2 or 3 kgs worth of fluid!), and it takes out many things,

> including whatever alcohol puts in you. The nurses where I go know that

> phenomenon well. Another interesting thing I didn't know until I started

> dialysis is that hemodialysis is often used to quickly remove drugs and

> other things in the case of various drug overdose scenarios, even if the

> person doesn't have kidney failure.

> Pierre

>

[Guest guest]

You're a real trooper, Dave.

I have plenty of experience in having hangovers, but I've never studied the

physiology of it

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

>

>

> I always thought a hangover is actually withdrawal from alcohol. Not

sure

> what happens exactly, but dialysis certainly does dehydrate you fast, on

> purpose (think of what it would feel like if you rapidly, over a period

of 3

> hours, lost 2 or 3 kgs worth of fluid!), and it takes out many things,

> including whatever alcohol puts in you. The nurses where I go know that

> phenomenon well. Another interesting thing I didn't know until I started

> dialysis is that hemodialysis is often used to quickly remove drugs and

> other things in the case of various drug overdose scenarios, even if the

> person doesn't have kidney failure.

> Pierre

>

[Guest guest]

You're a real trooper, Dave.

I have plenty of experience in having hangovers, but I've never studied the

physiology of it

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

>

>

> I always thought a hangover is actually withdrawal from alcohol. Not

sure

> what happens exactly, but dialysis certainly does dehydrate you fast, on

> purpose (think of what it would feel like if you rapidly, over a period

of 3

> hours, lost 2 or 3 kgs worth of fluid!), and it takes out many things,

> including whatever alcohol puts in you. The nurses where I go know that

> phenomenon well. Another interesting thing I didn't know until I started

> dialysis is that hemodialysis is often used to quickly remove drugs and

> other things in the case of various drug overdose scenarios, even if the

> person doesn't have kidney failure.

> Pierre

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks !

Cy

Re:ALCOHOL

> >

> >

> > > I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

> > > started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

> > > handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

> > > ate or drank.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks !

Cy

Re:ALCOHOL

> >

> >

> > > I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

> > > started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

> > > handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

> > > ate or drank.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group

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> > Thank you

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks !

Cy

Re:ALCOHOL

> >

> >

> > > I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

> > > started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

> > > handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

> > > ate or drank.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Happy birthday to you! And here you are doing research for the group on your

special day :-) What a guy! We are forever indebted to you!

Enjoy your special day.

[Guest guest]

Happy birthday to you! And here you are doing research for the group on your

special day :-) What a guy! We are forever indebted to you!

Enjoy your special day.

[Guest guest]

Happy birthday to you! And here you are doing research for the group on your

special day :-) What a guy! We are forever indebted to you!

Enjoy your special day.

[Guest guest]

37 does NOT sound old when you are 57 like me. I have socks older than 37!

[Guest guest]

37 does NOT sound old when you are 57 like me. I have socks older than 37!