Alcohol

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I'm so glad you posted this information. First of all, good for you for discovering what was keeping you from losing! Hurrah! And congratulations on the lost poundage.

Second, thanks for showing living proof what Dr. Atkins (and we) have said all along . . . alchohol must be burned as fuel in the body before it will resume burning fat. He doesn't recommend alcohol consumption during ongoing weight loss.

Everyone should be aware of the effects of everything that goes into their mouths, and I really appreciate you being willing to share this important information you've discovered about yourself.

Good luck with your continued weight loss.

Terry

[Guest guest]

Me neither ;-( I wonder if it has something to do w/ hyprglocemia. I also

don't sleep at all if I drink.

Beth in TX

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[Guest guest]

I do drink in moderation anyway, but would surely miss my one a day. I

believe I am around 26% remaining kidney function, have not been told about any

special dietary or other needs at this point. I have been on Diovan for 5 years

and diagnosed with IGAn for 2 months. I am now on ace inhibitors too, as well

as Procrit injections. My blood pressure is nice and steady at 115/65.

[Guest guest]

I do drink in moderation anyway, but would surely miss my one a day. I

believe I am around 26% remaining kidney function, have not been told about any

special dietary or other needs at this point. I have been on Diovan for 5 years

and diagnosed with IGAn for 2 months. I am now on ace inhibitors too, as well

as Procrit injections. My blood pressure is nice and steady at 115/65.

[Guest guest]

I do drink in moderation anyway, but would surely miss my one a day. I

believe I am around 26% remaining kidney function, have not been told about any

special dietary or other needs at this point. I have been on Diovan for 5 years

and diagnosed with IGAn for 2 months. I am now on ace inhibitors too, as well

as Procrit injections. My blood pressure is nice and steady at 115/65.

[Guest guest]

,

That is a fantastic BP! Wow. Mine was always about 110/70 until I reached

about 25% kidney function then it all went haywire. Now at 20% I am on 4 BP

meds and it runs from 150/100 when it is higher, to 130/90 when it is lower.

This past year or so I have suddenly been have quite a challenge getting it to

the desired less than 130/80 despite being very thin and exercising with a

three mile jog a minimum of three days a week. My doc keeps adding more drugs

(oh

joy!) to try and get it down.

I am so glad yours is holding steady despite being at 26%. I know the

procrit helps you to feel world better energy wise.

[Guest guest]

,

That is a fantastic BP! Wow. Mine was always about 110/70 until I reached

about 25% kidney function then it all went haywire. Now at 20% I am on 4 BP

meds and it runs from 150/100 when it is higher, to 130/90 when it is lower.

This past year or so I have suddenly been have quite a challenge getting it to

the desired less than 130/80 despite being very thin and exercising with a

three mile jog a minimum of three days a week. My doc keeps adding more drugs

(oh

joy!) to try and get it down.

I am so glad yours is holding steady despite being at 26%. I know the

procrit helps you to feel world better energy wise.

[Guest guest]

,

That is a fantastic BP! Wow. Mine was always about 110/70 until I reached

about 25% kidney function then it all went haywire. Now at 20% I am on 4 BP

meds and it runs from 150/100 when it is higher, to 130/90 when it is lower.

This past year or so I have suddenly been have quite a challenge getting it to

the desired less than 130/80 despite being very thin and exercising with a

three mile jog a minimum of three days a week. My doc keeps adding more drugs

(oh

joy!) to try and get it down.

I am so glad yours is holding steady despite being at 26%. I know the

procrit helps you to feel world better energy wise.

[Guest guest]

I was always told in moderation was Ok. By the time I was down to 30% kidney

function, then I was started on the pre-dialysis renal diet. The diet

package contains a list of suggested " energy booster " foods, 4 servings per

day. Among them are: 50ml or 1/4 cup of white or red wine, 25ml or 1 oz of

liquor - saying these can occasionally be substituted instead of a fat

choice. As you know, on a low protein diet (especially pre-dialysis), you

have to increase calories (sugars, fats, etc.) in order to compensate for

the low protein (or else the body will start cannibalizing its own muscle

tissue for protein).

In my mild-to-moderate IgAN/chronic renal failure days, say, 50 to 30%, my

nephrologist thought a beer a day was a good " tonic " for the kidneys. I

readily agreed with that prescription

In my very mild IgAN days, I probably drank too much though. No excuse, but

I WAS in or with the military!

Pierre

Re: Re: My neph has never said anything about a special

diet... ALCOHOL

> Hi Jack

> My neph, also in New York at Columbia, specifically told me I did not need

to

> cut out alcohol when I asked him the question directly. It was an

important

> issue to me, but your neph told you definitely not to drink alcohol? Very

> strange. I guess it is possible that you are in a worse state than I have

yet to

> reach? I am at between 70-75% kidney function loss, with creatinine of

2.8. It

> scares me when 2 nephs in same town give separate and very different

advice.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was always told in moderation was Ok. By the time I was down to 30% kidney

function, then I was started on the pre-dialysis renal diet. The diet

package contains a list of suggested " energy booster " foods, 4 servings per

day. Among them are: 50ml or 1/4 cup of white or red wine, 25ml or 1 oz of

liquor - saying these can occasionally be substituted instead of a fat

choice. As you know, on a low protein diet (especially pre-dialysis), you

have to increase calories (sugars, fats, etc.) in order to compensate for

the low protein (or else the body will start cannibalizing its own muscle

tissue for protein).

In my mild-to-moderate IgAN/chronic renal failure days, say, 50 to 30%, my

nephrologist thought a beer a day was a good " tonic " for the kidneys. I

readily agreed with that prescription

In my very mild IgAN days, I probably drank too much though. No excuse, but

I WAS in or with the military!

Pierre

Re: Re: My neph has never said anything about a special

diet... ALCOHOL

> Hi Jack

> My neph, also in New York at Columbia, specifically told me I did not need

to

> cut out alcohol when I asked him the question directly. It was an

important

> issue to me, but your neph told you definitely not to drink alcohol? Very

> strange. I guess it is possible that you are in a worse state than I have

yet to

> reach? I am at between 70-75% kidney function loss, with creatinine of

2.8. It

> scares me when 2 nephs in same town give separate and very different

advice.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was always told in moderation was Ok. By the time I was down to 30% kidney

function, then I was started on the pre-dialysis renal diet. The diet

package contains a list of suggested " energy booster " foods, 4 servings per

day. Among them are: 50ml or 1/4 cup of white or red wine, 25ml or 1 oz of

liquor - saying these can occasionally be substituted instead of a fat

choice. As you know, on a low protein diet (especially pre-dialysis), you

have to increase calories (sugars, fats, etc.) in order to compensate for

the low protein (or else the body will start cannibalizing its own muscle

tissue for protein).

In my mild-to-moderate IgAN/chronic renal failure days, say, 50 to 30%, my

nephrologist thought a beer a day was a good " tonic " for the kidneys. I

readily agreed with that prescription

In my very mild IgAN days, I probably drank too much though. No excuse, but

I WAS in or with the military!

Pierre

Re: Re: My neph has never said anything about a special

diet... ALCOHOL

> Hi Jack

> My neph, also in New York at Columbia, specifically told me I did not need

to

> cut out alcohol when I asked him the question directly. It was an

important

> issue to me, but your neph told you definitely not to drink alcohol? Very

> strange. I guess it is possible that you are in a worse state than I have

yet to

> reach? I am at between 70-75% kidney function loss, with creatinine of

2.8. It

> scares me when 2 nephs in same town give separate and very different

advice.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

ate or drank.

> I was always told in moderation was Ok. By the time I was down to

30% kidney

> function, then I was started on the pre-dialysis renal diet. The

diet

> package contains a list of suggested " energy booster " foods, 4

servings per

> day. Among them are: 50ml or 1/4 cup of white or red wine, 25ml or

1 oz of

> liquor - saying these can occasionally be substituted instead of a

fat

> choice. As you know, on a low protein diet (especially pre-

dialysis), you

> have to increase calories (sugars, fats, etc.) in order to

compensate for

> the low protein (or else the body will start cannibalizing its own

muscle

> tissue for protein).

>

> In my mild-to-moderate IgAN/chronic renal failure days, say, 50 to

30%, my

> nephrologist thought a beer a day was a good " tonic " for the

kidneys. I

> readily agreed with that prescription

>

> In my very mild IgAN days, I probably drank too much though. No

excuse, but

> I WAS in or with the military!

>

> Pierre

>

>

> Re: Re: My neph has never said anything about a

special

> diet... ALCOHOL

>

>

> > Hi Jack

> > My neph, also in New York at Columbia, specifically told me I did

not need

> to

> > cut out alcohol when I asked him the question directly. It was an

> important

> > issue to me, but your neph told you definitely not to drink

alcohol? Very

> > strange. I guess it is possible that you are in a worse state

than I have

> yet to

> > reach? I am at between 70-75% kidney function loss, with

creatinine of

> 2.8. It

> > scares me when 2 nephs in same town give separate and very

different

> advice.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

ate or drank.

> I was always told in moderation was Ok. By the time I was down to

30% kidney

> function, then I was started on the pre-dialysis renal diet. The

diet

> package contains a list of suggested " energy booster " foods, 4

servings per

> day. Among them are: 50ml or 1/4 cup of white or red wine, 25ml or

1 oz of

> liquor - saying these can occasionally be substituted instead of a

fat

> choice. As you know, on a low protein diet (especially pre-

dialysis), you

> have to increase calories (sugars, fats, etc.) in order to

compensate for

> the low protein (or else the body will start cannibalizing its own

muscle

> tissue for protein).

>

> In my mild-to-moderate IgAN/chronic renal failure days, say, 50 to

30%, my

> nephrologist thought a beer a day was a good " tonic " for the

kidneys. I

> readily agreed with that prescription

>

> In my very mild IgAN days, I probably drank too much though. No

excuse, but

> I WAS in or with the military!

>

> Pierre

>

>

> Re: Re: My neph has never said anything about a

special

> diet... ALCOHOL

>

>

> > Hi Jack

> > My neph, also in New York at Columbia, specifically told me I did

not need

> to

> > cut out alcohol when I asked him the question directly. It was an

> important

> > issue to me, but your neph told you definitely not to drink

alcohol? Very

> > strange. I guess it is possible that you are in a worse state

than I have

> yet to

> > reach? I am at between 70-75% kidney function loss, with

creatinine of

> 2.8. It

> > scares me when 2 nephs in same town give separate and very

different

> advice.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

ate or drank.

> I was always told in moderation was Ok. By the time I was down to

30% kidney

> function, then I was started on the pre-dialysis renal diet. The

diet

> package contains a list of suggested " energy booster " foods, 4

servings per

> day. Among them are: 50ml or 1/4 cup of white or red wine, 25ml or

1 oz of

> liquor - saying these can occasionally be substituted instead of a

fat

> choice. As you know, on a low protein diet (especially pre-

dialysis), you

> have to increase calories (sugars, fats, etc.) in order to

compensate for

> the low protein (or else the body will start cannibalizing its own

muscle

> tissue for protein).

>

> In my mild-to-moderate IgAN/chronic renal failure days, say, 50 to

30%, my

> nephrologist thought a beer a day was a good " tonic " for the

kidneys. I

> readily agreed with that prescription

>

> In my very mild IgAN days, I probably drank too much though. No

excuse, but

> I WAS in or with the military!

>

> Pierre

>

>

> Re: Re: My neph has never said anything about a

special

> diet... ALCOHOL

>

>

> > Hi Jack

> > My neph, also in New York at Columbia, specifically told me I did

not need

> to

> > cut out alcohol when I asked him the question directly. It was an

> important

> > issue to me, but your neph told you definitely not to drink

alcohol? Very

> > strange. I guess it is possible that you are in a worse state

than I have

> yet to

> > reach? I am at between 70-75% kidney function loss, with

creatinine of

> 2.8. It

> > scares me when 2 nephs in same town give separate and very

different

> advice.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

By the way, there might be other considerations regarding alcohol, like

liver function, for example. One person's regimen/treatment/diet, etc. may

not be another's, so I would recommend following your own doctor's advice.

If you don't like the advice, you can always find another doctor (but

preferably, ask why - there's probably a reason for your doctor's

recommendation).

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> I was always told in moderation was Ok. By the time I was down to 30%

kidney

> function, then I was started on the pre-dialysis renal diet. The diet

> package contains a list of suggested " energy booster " foods, 4 servings

per

> day. Among them are: 50ml or 1/4 cup of white or red wine, 25ml or 1 oz of

> liquor - saying these can occasionally be substituted instead of a fat

> choice. As you know, on a low protein diet (especially pre-dialysis), you

> have to increase calories (sugars, fats, etc.) in order to compensate for

> the low protein (or else the body will start cannibalizing its own muscle

> tissue for protein).

>

> In my mild-to-moderate IgAN/chronic renal failure days, say, 50 to 30%, my

> nephrologist thought a beer a day was a good " tonic " for the kidneys. I

> readily agreed with that prescription

>

> In my very mild IgAN days, I probably drank too much though. No excuse,

but

> I WAS in or with the military!

>

> Pierre

>

[Guest guest]

By the way, there might be other considerations regarding alcohol, like

liver function, for example. One person's regimen/treatment/diet, etc. may

not be another's, so I would recommend following your own doctor's advice.

If you don't like the advice, you can always find another doctor (but

preferably, ask why - there's probably a reason for your doctor's

recommendation).

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> I was always told in moderation was Ok. By the time I was down to 30%

kidney

> function, then I was started on the pre-dialysis renal diet. The diet

> package contains a list of suggested " energy booster " foods, 4 servings

per

> day. Among them are: 50ml or 1/4 cup of white or red wine, 25ml or 1 oz of

> liquor - saying these can occasionally be substituted instead of a fat

> choice. As you know, on a low protein diet (especially pre-dialysis), you

> have to increase calories (sugars, fats, etc.) in order to compensate for

> the low protein (or else the body will start cannibalizing its own muscle

> tissue for protein).

>

> In my mild-to-moderate IgAN/chronic renal failure days, say, 50 to 30%, my

> nephrologist thought a beer a day was a good " tonic " for the kidneys. I

> readily agreed with that prescription

>

> In my very mild IgAN days, I probably drank too much though. No excuse,

but

> I WAS in or with the military!

>

> Pierre

>

[Guest guest]

By the way, there might be other considerations regarding alcohol, like

liver function, for example. One person's regimen/treatment/diet, etc. may

not be another's, so I would recommend following your own doctor's advice.

If you don't like the advice, you can always find another doctor (but

preferably, ask why - there's probably a reason for your doctor's

recommendation).

Pierre

Re: Re:ALCOHOL

> I was always told in moderation was Ok. By the time I was down to 30%

kidney

> function, then I was started on the pre-dialysis renal diet. The diet

> package contains a list of suggested " energy booster " foods, 4 servings

per

> day. Among them are: 50ml or 1/4 cup of white or red wine, 25ml or 1 oz of

> liquor - saying these can occasionally be substituted instead of a fat

> choice. As you know, on a low protein diet (especially pre-dialysis), you

> have to increase calories (sugars, fats, etc.) in order to compensate for

> the low protein (or else the body will start cannibalizing its own muscle

> tissue for protein).

>

> In my mild-to-moderate IgAN/chronic renal failure days, say, 50 to 30%, my

> nephrologist thought a beer a day was a good " tonic " for the kidneys. I

> readily agreed with that prescription

>

> In my very mild IgAN days, I probably drank too much though. No excuse,

but

> I WAS in or with the military!

>

> Pierre

>

[Guest guest]

Another consideration is how a person might react to alcohol when taking

blood pressure pills. Some people can have problems, like low blood

pressure, fast heartbeat. Another reason for moderation, I guess.

An interesting thing I've heard about alcohol since being on dialysis is

that if you drink any a few hours before dialysis, the alcohol is rapidly

removed from your bloodstream by the dialysis machine, and you get an

instant hangover. I haven't tried it myself. The last thing I want while I'm

on the machine is a hangover!

Pierre

Re:ALCOHOL

> I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

> started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

> handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

> ate or drank.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Another consideration is how a person might react to alcohol when taking

blood pressure pills. Some people can have problems, like low blood

pressure, fast heartbeat. Another reason for moderation, I guess.

An interesting thing I've heard about alcohol since being on dialysis is

that if you drink any a few hours before dialysis, the alcohol is rapidly

removed from your bloodstream by the dialysis machine, and you get an

instant hangover. I haven't tried it myself. The last thing I want while I'm

on the machine is a hangover!

Pierre

Re:ALCOHOL

> I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

> started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

> handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

> ate or drank.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Another consideration is how a person might react to alcohol when taking

blood pressure pills. Some people can have problems, like low blood

pressure, fast heartbeat. Another reason for moderation, I guess.

An interesting thing I've heard about alcohol since being on dialysis is

that if you drink any a few hours before dialysis, the alcohol is rapidly

removed from your bloodstream by the dialysis machine, and you get an

instant hangover. I haven't tried it myself. The last thing I want while I'm

on the machine is a hangover!

Pierre

Re:ALCOHOL

> I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

> started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

> handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

> ate or drank.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Funny, the UK IgAN websites suggest alcohol isn't a factor unless you drink to

excess of course - my GP and Neph said so long as you stick to the weekly safe

levels of units it's ok! Of course approaching dialysis or on dialysis is a

different thing!

Dave

Re: Re: My neph has never said anything about a special

diet... ALCOHOL

> Hi Jack

> My neph, also in New York at Columbia, specifically told me I did not need

to

> cut out alcohol when I asked him the question directly. It was an

important

> issue to me, but your neph told you definitely not to drink alcohol? Very

> strange. I guess it is possible that you are in a worse state than I have

yet to

> reach? I am at between 70-75% kidney function loss, with creatinine of

2.8. It

> scares me when 2 nephs in same town give separate and very different

advice.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Funny, the UK IgAN websites suggest alcohol isn't a factor unless you drink to

excess of course - my GP and Neph said so long as you stick to the weekly safe

levels of units it's ok! Of course approaching dialysis or on dialysis is a

different thing!

Dave

Re: Re: My neph has never said anything about a special

diet... ALCOHOL

> Hi Jack

> My neph, also in New York at Columbia, specifically told me I did not need

to

> cut out alcohol when I asked him the question directly. It was an

important

> issue to me, but your neph told you definitely not to drink alcohol? Very

> strange. I guess it is possible that you are in a worse state than I have

yet to

> reach? I am at between 70-75% kidney function loss, with creatinine of

2.8. It

> scares me when 2 nephs in same town give separate and very different

advice.

>

>

>

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Funny, the UK IgAN websites suggest alcohol isn't a factor unless you drink to

excess of course - my GP and Neph said so long as you stick to the weekly safe

levels of units it's ok! Of course approaching dialysis or on dialysis is a

different thing!

Dave

Re: Re: My neph has never said anything about a special

diet... ALCOHOL

> Hi Jack

> My neph, also in New York at Columbia, specifically told me I did not need

to

> cut out alcohol when I asked him the question directly. It was an

important

> issue to me, but your neph told you definitely not to drink alcohol? Very

> strange. I guess it is possible that you are in a worse state than I have

yet to

> reach? I am at between 70-75% kidney function loss, with creatinine of

2.8. It

> scares me when 2 nephs in same town give separate and very different

advice.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Huh, now that one is interesting. I'd always thought (perhaps wrongly)

that hangovers were due to a combination of dehydration and metabolites of

the alcohol. Perhaps my understanding was all wrong...

Cy

Re:ALCOHOL

>

>

> > I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

> > started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

> > handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

> > ate or drank.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Huh, now that one is interesting. I'd always thought (perhaps wrongly)

that hangovers were due to a combination of dehydration and metabolites of

the alcohol. Perhaps my understanding was all wrong...

Cy

Re:ALCOHOL

>

>

> > I was also told that alcohol in moderation was okay but when I

> > started getting worse (Creatinine 7.2+), I learned that I couldn't

> > handle it anymore. Then again, I couldn't handle much of anything I

> > ate or drank.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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