Re: Further Akron AA lunacy

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I think you have misunderstood. Even though she's spelled it

out in a post.

> > > > > In a message dated 6/24/01 8:01:28 AM US Eastern Standard

Time,

> > > > > mikdan7@h... writes:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > . PS You threw around as many ten dollar words as you

could

> > get

> > > > your

> > > > > > spell-check program to find for you, but you revealed

> > something

> > > > else about

> > > > > > yourself-your spell check could not save you from using

the

> > wrong

> > > > version

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You are clearly untutored in reader-repsonse theory and have

not

> > yet

> > > > gleaned

> > > > > that, when deconstructed in the socioeconomic text-based

memes,

> > then

> > > > shifts

> > > > > its signifier-status to than. But this is all beside the

point.

> > > > How can you

> > > > > not comprehend that Homo Faber can never properly be placed

in

> > > > parity with

> > > > > Homo sapiens? Have you read any Derridda? Or attempted

> > > > deconstructing the

> > > > > paradigm of agape? (Or do you think it always comes back to

the

> > > > demotic Eros?)

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you cite one higher-functioning prestidigitator who

endorses

> > > > humility cum

> > > > > absement, or gratitude?

> > > > >

> > > > > In sum: Have you understood one word I have written?

> > > >

> > > > Hi Mona,

> > > >

> > > > *NO*! 10-to-1 very few others on the list here have

> > " attempted

> > > > deconstructing the paradigm of agape " either. Or if they did,

> > maybe

> > > > they weren't even aware of the fact! Can you please be more

> > > > specific...examples...and a little less wordy? I am

interested in

> > > > these topics. The program is all about humility and

powerlessness

> > and

> > > > I ended up rejecting these ideas on my own, but would be

> > interested in

> > > > finding a disciplined discussion of it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PS: here is a link to www.dictionary.com. Did you really

mean

> > > > " juggler " ?

> > > >

> > > > http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=prestidigitator

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Mike, you weren't there long enough. Or the people in your meetings

didn't behave that way (I admit that's possible). But why should you

disbelieve everyone who testifies to what they have actually seen?

There are people from all over the country here who are testifying to

similar experiences. Does that mean nothing to you? If they are

lying, what is their motivation?

> I get agitated and defensive when I see people bashing someone or

> something with no regards to truth , reasonableness and reality. The

things

> I see people here say happen at twelve step group meetings I NEVER

saw once

> in about 100 - 150 meetings . Mike.

> Re: Re: Further Akron AA lunacy

> > >

> > >

> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > From: <ahicks@s...>

> > > > <snip>

> > > > > They " reconcile " by *blaming*

> > > > > the person suffering and by minimizing the issues ( " get off

your

> > > > > pity-pot. At least you can walk. Did you ever think about

people

> who

> > > > > don't have the use of their legs? " I heard this too).

> > > >

> > > > Or, as I once read:

> > > >

> > > > " I cried because I had no feet, until I met a man who

had no

> > >penis. "

> > > >

> > > > (Can't remember where, or I would credit the author.)

> > > >

> > > > -- Bob Marshall

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Lighten up.

> The only psychodrama Manson knows about is being a guru and

manipulating weak minded people. the only pugilistics john wayne gacy

engaged in was beating up on a boy half his size and age, with the

boys hands tied behind his back,while the boy was tied to a chair.

Please do not cite these filth to me as something to think about-they

are both where they belong- nonexistent. As to why I persist-why

should I change my opinion because some alleged 'giant' thinks some

other way is better.

> You think you are pretty smart, but I bet I could WAX you in a game

of chess. Boys are better than girls at chess-you know why? Because

boys are SMARTER than girls. Mike.

> Re: Re: Further Akron AA lunacy

>

>

> In a message dated 6/25/01 6:09:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

> mikdan7@h... writes:

>

>

>

> She is full of shit. She cannot admit she made a grammar error,

and she

> cannot, of course prove she is right. I didn't know she was

like this, but

> like I said, I have learned something about her.

>

>

> Your inability to transcend dichotomous, text-based Strunk-Whitism

is

> perturbing at best. The orations giving rise to your paeans to

> self-mutiliation of the psyche, are the issue at hand. Not one of

the many

> giants of self-aware theodicy, from Horatio Alger to Martha

, embraces

> your meekness-cum-virtue leitmotif. Yet you persist.

>

> Why?

>

> Perhaps if you pondered this facile theory at the level I intend

you to, you

> would surmount your difficulty. Try C. Manson on the Skeltering

of

> Psychodrama, or J. W. Gacy on Pugilistics.

>

> --Mona--

>

> --Mona--

>

[Guest guest]

Duh,

Is this satire?

P., with a child's level of meta-physics.

> In a message dated 6/23/01 3:51:20 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

> mikdan7@h... writes:

>

>

> > I guess humility and thankfulness for

>

> Of course. Humility is the very foundation of all immorality, and

> thankfulness is on par with mental illness. While the larded ardor

of a weak

> and listless people may think otherwise, all philosophers beyond a

child's

> level of meta-physics realize these things.

>

> --Mona--

[Guest guest]

This group is called 12 step free. Of course none of have much that

is positive to say about 12 step groups. Why does that surprise you?

> > > I get agitated and defensive when I see people bashing someone

or

> > > something with no regards to truth , reasonableness and reality.

The

> > things

> > > I see people here say happen at twelve step group meetings I

NEVER

> > saw once

> > > in about 100 - 150 meetings . Mike.

> > > Re: Re: Further Akron AA lunacy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > > From: <ahicks@s...>

> > > > > > <snip>

> > > > > > > They " reconcile " by *blaming*

> > > > > > > the person suffering and by minimizing the issues ( " get

off

> > your

> > > > > > > pity-pot. At least you can walk. Did you ever think

about

> > people

> > > who

> > > > > > > don't have the use of their legs? " I heard this too).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Or, as I once read:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " I cried because I had no feet, until I met a man

who

> > had no

> > > > >penis. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (Can't remember where, or I would credit the

author.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- Bob Marshall

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Mona,

I'd love to see you go 1 on 1 w Punk Floyd Garrett. The guy wouldn't

know what hit him. Wouldnt mind you seeing you head to head in debate

either.

P.

> What about my post was unclear? Waxing pedantic about my own

thought

> processes was not my purpose, but if you learned my actual opinion

than you

> also know the uncontradicted holding of every higher-functioning

Dionysian or

> Casuist in recorded history. You cannot be such a sheeple that you

would

> countenance the ignominy of those whose ratiocination is superior

abasing

> themselves (so-called humility) before the spawning and swarming

masses?

>

> We should express gratitude to those who are best fit to wash our

feet? And

> why would this be?

>

> --Mona--

[Guest guest]

Mike,

Go to different meetings and know what to watch for. The 'gurus'

I'm aware of have their own home group(their turf) and when looking

for a new prospect usually go back to home base -cause I think- most

of his victims are afraid to return do to the fact he knows so much

about them and will use it against them if need be. (keep you quiet)

I've seen this done--and has been used on me. Also have

seen 'guru's' fight over new prospect's. Learn what to watch for,

ask about previous sponsee's--then check the story out. Cause they

can lie like a son-of-bicth.

netty

> > I get agitated and defensive when I see people bashing someone

or

> > something with no regards to truth , reasonableness and reality.

The

> things

> > I see people here say happen at twelve step group meetings I

NEVER

> saw once

> > in about 100 - 150 meetings . Mike.

> > Re: Re: Further Akron AA lunacy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > From: <ahicks@s...>

> > > > > <snip>

> > > > > > They " reconcile " by *blaming*

> > > > > > the person suffering and by minimizing the issues ( " get

off

> your

> > > > > > pity-pot. At least you can walk. Did you ever think

about

> people

> > who

> > > > > > don't have the use of their legs? " I heard this too).

> > > > >

> > > > > Or, as I once read:

> > > > >

> > > > > " I cried because I had no feet, until I met a man

who

> had no

> > > >penis. "

> > > > >

> > > > > (Can't remember where, or I would credit the

author.)

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Bob Marshall

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Really!----LOL.

Pete, I agree with

you.

netty

> > In a message dated 6/23/01 3:51:20 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

> > mikdan7@h... writes:

> >

> >

> > > I guess humility and thankfulness for

> >

> > Of course. Humility is the very foundation of all immorality,

and

> > thankfulness is on par with mental illness. While the larded

ardor

> of a weak

> > and listless people may think otherwise, all philosophers beyond

a

> child's

> > level of meta-physics realize these things.

> >

> > --Mona--

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 6/25/01 7:37:41 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

> caenemy@y... writes:

>

>

> > Where did you learn this stuff? It's so far over my head I tip

> > over. I'm impressed, and my dictionary is wore out. My husband

was

> > always trying to get me to learn new words and I find it helps to

get

> > the brain working in parts I never realized I had.

>

> Netty, I can't properly lay claim to having learned any of that

stuff,

> because actually, it is all adulterated [sic] bullshit. It was my

way of

> communicating what Ken said to Mike much, much more directly. But

I am a

> lady, and do not care to resort to vulgarity.

>

> --Mona--

That's even better........love it. netty

[Guest guest]

Hey Mona,

To paraphrase a line from " Blazing Saddles " :

" You can use your tongue pertier than a $20 whore, Ms Holland! " .

In the nicest possible way of course - $20 was a lot of money back

then!

P.

> In a message dated 6/24/01 8:01:28 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

> mikdan7@h... writes:

>

>

> > . PS You threw around as many ten dollar words as you could get

your

> > spell-check program to find for you, but you revealed something

else about

> > yourself-your spell check could not save you from using the wrong

version

> >

>

> You are clearly untutored in reader-repsonse theory and have not yet

gleaned

> that, when deconstructed in the socioeconomic text-based memes, then

shifts

> its signifier-status to than. But this is all beside the point.

How can you

> not comprehend that Homo Faber can never properly be placed in

parity with

> Homo sapiens? Have you read any Derridda? Or attempted

deconstructing the

> paradigm of agape? (Or do you think it always comes back to the

demotic Eros?)

>

> Can you cite one higher-functioning prestidigitator who endorses

humility cum

> absement, or gratitude?

>

> In sum: Have you understood one word I have written?

>

> --Mona--

[Guest guest]

> >

> > " I cried because I had no feet, until I met a man who had

no

> penis. "

>

> What was that guy's problem??!!! I don't feel a lack at all...

Well funny I've met women who do - goes with a single

internal application however, if only temporarily....

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 6/25/01 6:09:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

> mikdan7@h... writes:

Martha

embraces

> your meekness-cum-virtue leitmotif.

Meekness-cum-virtue? Ms Hollamd, now you are indeed becoming kinky!

P.

[Guest guest]

> By the way, Jesus Christ is a 'high functioning prestidigitator "

who

> advocates " humility cum abasement " .

" Humility, cum, a basement " is pretty well a description of those

Sexaholics meetings I went to under a church.....

[Guest guest]

> I get agitated and defensive when I see people bashing someone or

> something with no regards to truth , reasonableness and reality. The

things

> I see people here say happen at twelve step group meetings I NEVER

saw once

> in about 100 - 150 meetings . Mike.

Well aint you the fucking lucky one then. Believe it or not, they

were in different meetings!

[Guest guest]

> You think you are pretty smart, but I bet I could WAX you in a game

>of chess. Boys are better than girls at chess-you know why? Because

>boys are SMARTER than girls. Mike.

The Polgar sisters could eat your liver at chess, together with 99.9%

of male chessplayers. Even Britain's own Kathy Forbes'd have your ass

I've no doubt. If Mona plays, I'd bet she could.

The jury is out on the relative abilities of males and females at

chess, but it's likely that there are few top women players simply

because girls are smart enough to spot a waste of time when they see

it. It is a decdiedly male characteristic to become obsessional about

intricate matters of no consequence; it's called autism.

P., a regular and indifferent chess player.

[Guest guest]

Well stone me, what a surprise that there might be comtempt for 12

step groups and their advocates on a list called " 12 step free " .

Who'da though it?

Well get this. We dont know whether youre lying and what your

motivation might be either, and you clearly show a comptempt for us

when you claim to know that our statements are exagerration and lies.

If you get so riled up pal by what you read here, then the obvious

solution is to fuck off so you dont have to read it.

> > > I get agitated and defensive when I see people bashing someone

or

> > > something with no regards to truth , reasonableness and reality.

The

> > things

> > > I see people here say happen at twelve step group meetings I

NEVER

> > saw once

> > > in about 100 - 150 meetings . Mike.

> > > Re: Re: Further Akron AA lunacy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > > From: <ahicks@s...>

> > > > > > <snip>

> > > > > > > They " reconcile " by *blaming*

> > > > > > > the person suffering and by minimizing the issues ( " get

off

> > your

> > > > > > > pity-pot. At least you can walk. Did you ever think

about

> > people

> > > who

> > > > > > > don't have the use of their legs? " I heard this too).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Or, as I once read:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " I cried because I had no feet, until I met a man

who

> > had no

> > > > >penis. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (Can't remember where, or I would credit the

author.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- Bob Marshall

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 6/26/01 12:48:11 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

> mikdan7@h... writes:

>

>

> > I thought you said I could not name one-that's why I mentioned

Jesus.

>

> Words mean exactly what I want them to mean, nothing more, and

nothing less.

> Logicians such as Carroll have long insisted that this is so.

There's Glory for you!

[Guest guest]

All I understand is you are trying to confuse with a barrage of words. You must be a big fan of F Buckley, but it doesn't mean you are smart, the fact that you can copy phrases, and use a thesaurus. Mike.

Re: Further Akron AA lunacy

.. PS You threw around as many ten dollar words as you could get your spell-check program to find for you, but you revealed something else about yourself-your spell check could not save you from using the wrong version of the word "then". You are clearly untutored in reader-repsonse theory and have not yet gleaned that, when deconstructed in the socioeconomic text-based memes, then shifts its signifier-status to than. But this is all beside the point. How can you not comprehend that Homo Faber can never properly be placed in parity with Homo sapiens? Have you read any Derridda? Or attempted deconstructing the paradigm of agape? (Or do you think it always comes back to the demotic Eros?) Can you cite one higher-functioning prestidigitator who endorses humility cum absement, or gratitude? In sum: Have you understood one word I have written? --Mona--

[Guest guest]

" Women's category " for Bridge is bullshit. Some of the greatest

players in the world are women. This is just hangover from

fluffy-little-women-cant-do-shit days. Women may well close in on

both chess and poker, where they are making inroads. Of course the

greater variance of male intelligence may stil;l mean that the alll

time greats remain male, but the average performance by women may well

be at least as good.

> I don't know how to play bridge, but I bet I could play spades as

good as you. By the way men are better card players than women,

also-it seems in almost every category of competition there are men's

categories and then there is the sub-category for women competitors.

In fact, I cannot think of one competitive arena where the men are

in a sub-category to the women. No offense. Mike.

> Re: Re: Further Akron AA lunacy

>

>

> In a message dated 6/26/01 12:34:52 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

> watts_pete@h... writes:

>

>

>

> The jury is out on the relative abilities of males and females

at

> chess, but it's likely that there are few top women players

simply

> because girls are smart enough to spot a waste of time when they

see

> it. It is a decdiedly male characteristic to become obsessional

about

> intricate matters of no consequence; it's called autism.

>

>

>

> Ah Pete, I could only wish that were true. I have little doubt

Mikey could

> beat me at Chess, because it never caught my fancy. What Mikey

could not beat

> me at, however, is the utterly inconsequential but rapturously

enjoyable game

> called Bridge.

>

> --Mona--

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm sorry if I seemed flippant about Autism and Asperger's Syndrome in

these posts and I hope you werent upset but it. I have studied them as

part of a Psychology degree. As you will be knowledgeable

about them you probably know that Asperger himself thought that the

syndrome and the related autism are merely extremes of male

psychology, that tend to be characterized by greater social aloofness,

stereotypical habits, and preoccupation with mechanical devices and

intellectual abstractions, than females, which is why they are more

common in males. My own father might well have been dxed with

Asperger's if he had ever been evaluated. He could name the lengths

of all the railway tunnnels and cuttings between Manchester nad

Liverpool and London. when I told a clinical psychologist this he

laughed and said that that was practically diagnostic by itself. I

often joked with a psychologist friend about how chess, bridge,

computer programmers and science fiction fans are mostly men who are

either fat with beards (like me) or skinny and clean shaven, and

both socially gauche: Either impulsive and chaotic, or excessively

restrained and conscientious. You can probably add poker players to

the list too.

P.

> <snip>

>

> The jury is out on the relative abilities of males and females at

> >chess, but it's likely that there are few top women players simply

> >because girls are smart enough to spot a waste of time when they

see

> >it. It is a decdiedly male characteristic to become obsessional

about

> >intricate matters of no consequence; it's called autism.

>

> My son has Autism. If you'd like to learn about it, I could

recommend

> several good web sites. There is now fortunetly alot of good info

available

> to help educate people regarding this neurological disorder.

>

> ,

> ~I will not take my thoughts for granted,

> for they may be my only guide.

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

For what it's worth, spatial relations was one of my highest scoring

aptitude tests in high school and one reason (together with the rest

of my profile) that my counselor said if I weren't a girl, I could ber

an engineer. Yet I've never won a game of chess in my life.

Obviously, however, it's easy to say that men are better chess players

when so many more men than women play.

> In a message dated 6/26/01 1:15:31 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

> mikdan7@h... writes:

>

>

> >

>

> This is true. In the aggregate, men are superior in matters

concerning

> spatial relationships than women are. Of course, this us tells

nothing about

> the capabilities of any particular man or woman.

>

> I haven't played Chess in over 20 years, and have no doubt that most

> regular-playing kids could beat me at that game. You probably could

too,

> Mikey.

>

> But I'd have ya screaming for mercy, Mikey, at:

>

> 1. Trivial Pursuit;

> 2. Outburst;

> 3. Jeopardy; or

> 4. The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding.

>

> --Mona--

[Guest guest]

> You have a lot of apologistic excuses for why there are different

levels of

> competition for men and women. Mike.

No Mike,

I have studied psychology and I am hopefully fortunate enough to have

a measure of common sense.

[Guest guest]

> For what it's worth, spatial relations was one of my highest scoring

> aptitude tests in high school and one reason (together with the rest

> of my profile) that my counselor said if I weren't a girl, I could

ber

> an engineer. Yet I've never won a game of chess in my life.

Well it does require study and practice as well as motivation.

However, you are perhaps evidence that there is much more to good

chess playing than visuo-spatial reasoning.

P.

[Guest guest]

Christ, you just described my so, except that socially he is very

adept.

> > <snip>

> >

> > The jury is out on the relative abilities of males and females at

> > >chess, but it's likely that there are few top women players

simply

> > >because girls are smart enough to spot a waste of time when they

> see

> > >it. It is a decdiedly male characteristic to become obsessional

> about

> > >intricate matters of no consequence; it's called autism.

> >

> > My son has Autism. If you'd like to learn about it, I could

> recommend

> > several good web sites. There is now fortunetly alot of good info

> available

> > to help educate people regarding this neurological disorder.

> >

> > ,

> > ~I will not take my thoughts for granted,

> > for they may be my only guide.

> >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

> Christ, you just described my so, except that socially he is very

> adept.

Not anything anyone would have said about my Dad. According to my

brothers, the priest at his funeral (not knowing they were there or

that they even existed) basically said what a complete pain-in-the-ass

my Dad had been, as if to kind of damp down any unease folks might

have had at the sense of relief the congregation had at his passing.

Superficially he appeared affable to tohers, but he had a very dark

side to him I have written about before. In response to my little

" Feorge Formby " skit, Mandolin replied as if my stepfather had raised

me (he didnt). If he wonders where I get it from, my real father

and mother are the place to look.

P.