Shelly

[Guest guest]

,

If you go to the website, on the left side there are some links. One

is called the Database. In there we have some more links and one is

called recipes. There are only 3 in there right now, (sorry! we need

to get more!), but one is for the raw sauerkraut.

Patty

>

> Patty ,

> you said there are recipes in the data base HOw do I get there? And

by the

> way I ordered the Gerson Book (thank You) I hope this will be

helpful. HOw many

> probiotics should I take a day? I am taking primal Defense ultra

> 2tablets 3 times a day.(6altogether) Is that enough?

>

> Love ya ,

>

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

[Guest guest]

,

If you go to the website, on the left side there are some links. One

is called the Database. In there we have some more links and one is

called recipes. There are only 3 in there right now, (sorry! we need

to get more!), but one is for the raw sauerkraut.

Patty

>

> Patty ,

> you said there are recipes in the data base HOw do I get there? And

by the

> way I ordered the Gerson Book (thank You) I hope this will be

helpful. HOw many

> probiotics should I take a day? I am taking primal Defense ultra

> 2tablets 3 times a day.(6altogether) Is that enough?

>

> Love ya ,

>

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

[Guest guest]

Beth and I were actually talking about this on the phone the other

day...It'd be nice if each of us would contribute recipes for one

day, including breakfast, lunch, dinner and snack. We could then put

them in the Database. We've both found that figuring out what to eat

has been a huge challenge. So if anyone has any yeast-free, sugar

free recipes they want to share, please do! Love, PH

> >

> > Patty ,

> > you said there are recipes in the data base HOw do I get there?

And

> by the

> > way I ordered the Gerson Book (thank You) I hope this will be

> helpful. HOw many

> > probiotics should I take a day? I am taking primal Defense

ultra

> > 2tablets 3 times a day.(6altogether) Is that enough?

> >

> > Love ya ,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

> shape.

> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Beth and I were actually talking about this on the phone the other

day...It'd be nice if each of us would contribute recipes for one

day, including breakfast, lunch, dinner and snack. We could then put

them in the Database. We've both found that figuring out what to eat

has been a huge challenge. So if anyone has any yeast-free, sugar

free recipes they want to share, please do! Love, PH

> >

> > Patty ,

> > you said there are recipes in the data base HOw do I get there?

And

> by the

> > way I ordered the Gerson Book (thank You) I hope this will be

> helpful. HOw many

> > probiotics should I take a day? I am taking primal Defense

ultra

> > 2tablets 3 times a day.(6altogether) Is that enough?

> >

> > Love ya ,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

> shape.

> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dede,

My pee pee is really clear. But I feel like my mouth is muscus and my pee feels thick but not sure. Now this morning I pooped out garlic. It floated in the toilet is this normal? But one thing I didn't have with my back hurting and blood in my urine is my urine dont burn? Is that strange?

Love

In a message dated 1/24/2008 9:36:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, DGRAHAMA@... writes:

Sweetie, in my experience, leave out the fact

you had implants for now. Start with 6 months

ago you started swelling. Give them your symptoms

and tell them you want a really good check up. A

regular MD will be fine at first. It doesnt mean you

have to take drugs, ok, it is to get info, and to get

tests done, OK.......most of all, try not to worry.

Think of it as educating yourself on the body you

occupy. Use the doctor as a tool to get tests done.

I think that is a good place to start.

Bless your heart, I know this is scarey, but I have

been walking the walk, and from my experience,

use the doc for info and his opinion, and for testing.

Then take the testing and info and research research,

research.

Tell the doctor you havent felt well for about 6 mos to

a year. Tell him about your fluid gain and gut problems

and your blood in the pee, and pain in the kidneys,

and tiredness and what ever else , but dont mention the implants

or you will be judged and immediately everything you say, written off.

Save the implant issue for later. When he asks you why you

didnt tell him, just say, because the AMA and FDA say

they are safe and dont cause medical problems.

Do you get short of breath quickly or for no reason?

How many pillows do you sleep on?

Do you get heart palps

Do you ever feel your whole body beating like a heartbeat?

How does it feel when you deep breathe?

I highly suggest you measure the amount of fluid you drink

along with an estimation of what you take in from foods.

and measure the amount of pee you are peeing out. Do this

every day for awhile. Keep a journal about it. I say pee in a

clear bottle, when my kidneys were shutting down, my pee looked

dark yellow in the potty, but like dark tea in a glass bottle, this is

a huge sign that your kidneys are not functioning properly.

Love you ~ Dede

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

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[Guest guest]

~

Floating poop can mean you arent metabolizing

your lipids properly, or there is alot of gas in it,

but it can mean other things

too. Here is a site dedicated to POOP ! !

http://www.smellypoop.com/facts_about_poop.php

Its funny.......

I am worried about the fact you are swollen with edema

and your belly is big. How much do you weigh? how much

did you gain and over what period of time?

I think you still have a fungal component you are

dealing with.

Love DedeStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Oh, I forgot, if you pooped garlic, and

you actually saw it in the toilet,

then you didnt chew or crush it well

enough before eating it. It has to be

crushed and sit about 10 minutes to get

the full benefits, then chewed well.

Hugs DedeStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

dede,

I weigh 143 lbs now . This is a lot !!!!!!!!!!!! I gained in a total of 40 lbs. in 6months. I cant wait to see thyroid doctor I was thinking maybe this was it. I will try to remember to crush my garlic I was waiting 10 minutes I think it takes me that long to peel and cut it all up. I am farting alot. I feel like a have a little brain fog today. I dont know if I am dealing with a fungal component I took fugual defense right after explant and stayed on primal defense.

Does any one know of a good ND and MD so my insurance will cover some of it in my area Ohio.

Love

In a message dated 1/24/2008 1:38:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, DGRAHAMA@... writes:

~

Floating poop can mean you arent metabolizing

your lipids properly, or there is alot of gas in it,

but it can mean other things

too. Here is a site dedicated to POOP ! !

http://www.smellypoop.com/facts_about_poop.php

Its funny.......

I am worried about the fact you are swollen with edema

and your belly is big. How much do you weigh? how much

did you gain and over what period of time?

I think you still have a fungal component you are

dealing with.

Love Dede

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[Guest guest]

This is the reason I dont want to go back to a doctor because Cleveland Clinic wanted to admitt me to psychic ward. And the last doctor wanted me to see a psychocllgist for diarrhea. I dont know where to look for a doctor. Patty gave me some sights to find a doctor but no luck for ND AND MD>.>>>>>>> That's what I am really looking for Heck I will take anything at this point just to find one to listen.

Any insights girls.

Love and prayers,

In a message dated 1/24/2008 2:07:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, angmattoni@... writes:

I agree with Dede 100%. Do not tell them about how you think

the implants are the problem or they will look at you are nuts

and won't take you seriously. Just use them as a tool to get

the tests done. You will have everything documented instead

of being referred to a psych.

Sweetie, in my experience, leave out the fact

you had implants for now. Start with 6 months

ago you started swelling. Give them your symptoms

and tell them you want a really good check up. A

regular MD will be fine at first. It doesnt mean you

have to take drugs, ok, it is to get info, and to get

tests done, OK.......most of all, try not to worry.

Think of it as educating yourself on the body you

occupy. Use the doctor as a tool to get tests done.

I think that is a good place to start.

Bless your heart, I know this is scarey, but I have

been walking the walk, and from my experience,

use the doc for info and his opinion, and for testing.

Then take the testing and info and research research,

research.

Tell the doctor you havent felt well for about 6 mos to

a year. Tell him about your fluid gain and gut problems

and your blood in the pee, and pain in the kidneys,

and tiredness and what ever else , but dont mention the implants

or you will be judged and immediately everything you say, written off.

Save the implant issue for later. When he asks you why you

didnt tell him, just say, because the AMA and FDA say

they are safe and dont cause medical problems.

Do you get short of breath quickly or for no reason?

How many pillows do you sleep on?

Do you get heart palps

Do you ever feel your whole body beating like a heartbeat?

How does it feel when you deep breathe?

I highly suggest you measure the amount of fluid you drink

along with an estimation of what you take in from foods.

and measure the amount of pee you are peeing out. Do this

every day for awhile. Keep a journal about it. I say pee in a

clear bottle, when my kidneys were shutting down, my pee looked

dark yellow in the potty, but like dark tea in a glass bottle, this is

a huge sign that your kidneys are not functioning properly.

Love you ~ Dede

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

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[Guest guest]

~ will you answer these questions ?

If you dont want to, it is ok, I am curious tho,

it will help me decide if I need to tell you anything

else.........Luvya ~ Dede

Do you get short of breath quickly or for no reason?

How many pillows do you sleep on?

Do you get heart palps

Do you ever feel your whole body beating like a heartbeat?

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[Guest guest]

~

I have a bum thyroid too. That is not normal

to gain that much weight in such a short time.

You sound too much like me. I think you need

the testing so you can see what you are dealing

with, did you know that candida can cause thyroid

malfunction?? it can. Anyway, I say, see the doc,

get some tests done, see where you stand with those,

and work from there. I still think you are dealing

with fungal issues, are your scar caps still in?

This may be what is keeping you so sick........

Get the tests, then maybe take some cap acid,

work up to 3600 mg a day, then take that much

for 16-18 days, and drink the kefir, and pray !

Love DedeStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Dede,

I can not fly or Drive to Atlanta, or will she help me online? I have a big mortgage on getting better now. There is not much I can do right now?

In a message dated 1/24/2008 2:50:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, DGRAHAMA@... writes:

~

I bet if you contact Dr Kolb in Atlanta

email: drkolbmindspring her web

page: http://www.plastikos.com/

she would be kind enough to help you.

You do NOT need a psyche ward ! ! !

Bless your heart, you dont need that kind

of crap from idiot doctors that dont know

their behind from their front end.

Love Dede

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[Guest guest]

When you mean are my scar caps still in does that mean capsules. IF so I did not have a capsulectomy so I guess yes.

Love and pray for me

In a message dated 1/24/2008 2:43:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, DGRAHAMA@... writes:

~

I have a bum thyroid too. That is not normal

to gain that much weight in such a short time.

You sound too much like me. I think you need

the testing so you can see what you are dealing

with, did you know that candida can cause thyroid

malfunction?? it can. Anyway, I say, see the doc,

get some tests done, see where you stand with those,

and work from there. I still think you are dealing

with fungal issues, are your scar caps still in?

This may be what is keeping you so sick........

Get the tests, then maybe take some cap acid,

work up to 3600 mg a day, then take that much

for 16-18 days, and drink the kefir, and pray !

Love Dede

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

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[Guest guest]

Yes I get short of breath llike my chest is heavy.

I sleep on about 3 and now I put one under my feet.

Yes I feel my body beat like a heartbeat.

MY I deep breathe which I do a lot it feels like I am getting some kind of relief. I feel like its going to make me feel normal.

I have been crying all day.This has been too long

In a message dated 1/24/2008 2:37:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, DGRAHAMA@... writes:

~ will you answer these questions ?

If you dont want to, it is ok, I am curious tho,

it will help me decide if I need to tell you anything

else.........Luvya ~ Dede

Do you get short of breath quickly or for no reason?

How many pillows do you sleep on?

Do you get heart palps

Do you ever feel your whole body beating like a heartbeat?

How does it feel when you deep breathe?

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[Guest guest]

Yes, that is what I meant. Bless your heart.

I bet those durn capsules are keeping you ill.

You may eventually have to have them removed.

You are definately in my prayers, and you will

get well.

Love DedeWho's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

[Guest guest]

~

Bless your heart, I was afraid you were

crying all day. I wish I could hug you and

comfort you. Honey, you definately need

to go have a good check-up.

Important question, how long have you slept

on more than one pillow?

Honey, you need a good laugh, so here is one:

http://www.dorks.com/videos/Jeff-Foxworthy-Big-Deck.html

this will help you feel better.

Please let me know how long you been up on more than

one pillow......

Love , Hugs, Hope, Prayers, and lots of Laughter ! !

DedeWho's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

[Guest guest]

I agree with Dede 100%. Do not tell them about how you think

the implants are the problem or they will look at you are nuts

and won't take you seriously. Just use them as a tool to get

the tests done. You will have everything documented instead

of being referred to a psych.

Sweetie, in my experience, leave out the fact

you had implants for now. Start with 6 months

ago you started swelling. Give them your symptoms

and tell them you want a really good check up. A

regular MD will be fine at first. It doesnt mean you

have to take drugs, ok, it is to get info, and to get

tests done, OK.......most of all, try not to worry.

Think of it as educating yourself on the body you

occupy. Use the doctor as a tool to get tests done.

I think that is a good place to start.

Bless your heart, I know this is scarey, but I have

been walking the walk, and from my experience,

use the doc for info and his opinion, and for testing.

Then take the testing and info and research research,

research.

Tell the doctor you havent felt well for about 6 mos to

a year. Tell him about your fluid gain and gut problems

and your blood in the pee, and pain in the kidneys,

and tiredness and what ever else , but dont mention the implants

or you will be judged and immediately everything you say, written off.

Save the implant issue for later. When he asks you why you

didnt tell him, just say, because the AMA and FDA say

they are safe and dont cause medical problems.

Do you get short of breath quickly or for no reason?

How many pillows do you sleep on?

Do you get heart palps

Do you ever feel your whole body beating like a heartbeat?

How does it feel when you deep breathe?

I highly suggest you measure the amount of fluid you drink

along with an estimation of what you take in from foods.

and measure the amount of pee you are peeing out. Do this

every day for awhile. Keep a journal about it. I say pee in a

clear bottle, when my kidneys were shutting down, my pee looked

dark yellow in the potty, but like dark tea in a glass bottle, this is

a huge sign that your kidneys are not functioning properly.

Love you ~ Dede

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

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[Guest guest]

Use us here to listen and give you support not the docs. Just find

one and don't have them transfer your med records because all

of those negative comments from the other doc with taint the new

doctors perspective.

Sweetie, in my experience, leave out the fact

you had implants for now. Start with 6 months

ago you started swelling. Give them your symptoms

and tell them you want a really good check up. A

regular MD will be fine at first. It doesnt mean you

have to take drugs, ok, it is to get info, and to get

tests done, OK.......most of all, try not to worry.

Think of it as educating yourself on the body you

occupy. Use the doctor as a tool to get tests done.

I think that is a good place to start.

Bless your heart, I know this is scarey, but I have

been walking the walk, and from my experience,

use the doc for info and his opinion, and for testing.

Then take the testing and info and research research,

research.

Tell the doctor you havent felt well for about 6 mos to

a year. Tell him about your fluid gain and gut problems

and your blood in the pee, and pain in the kidneys,

and tiredness and what ever else , but dont mention the implants

or you will be judged and immediately everything you say, written off.

Save the implant issue for later. When he asks you why you

didnt tell him, just say, because the AMA and FDA say

they are safe and dont cause medical problems.

Do you get short of breath quickly or for no reason?

How many pillows do you sleep on?

Do you get heart palps

Do you ever feel your whole body beating like a heartbeat?

How does it feel when you deep breathe?

I highly suggest you measure the amount of fluid you drink

along with an estimation of what you take in from foods.

and measure the amount of pee you are peeing out. Do this

every day for awhile. Keep a journal about it. I say pee in a

clear bottle, when my kidneys were shutting down, my pee looked

dark yellow in the potty, but like dark tea in a glass bottle, this is

a huge sign that your kidneys are not functioning properly.

Love you ~ Dede

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Rogene,

You said dr huang is the closes to me Denver. I live in OHio would that be dr feng for me. How much does it cost for a capsulectomy? anyone know?

a message dated 1/24/2008 8:05:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, saxony01@... writes:

Dr. Kolb, Dr. Huang, and Dr. Feng will all help you either online or by phone.

If you decide to see one of these doctors, you'll be able to get your lab work done prior to leaving, have a consult the day before surgery and get your surgery over with in one trip. Generally you will stay a couple days after surgery before returning home.

They can help you with places to stay - eat - everything . . .

Dr. Huang is in Denver . . . probably the closest to you as well as the least expensive.

Hugs,

Rogene

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[Guest guest]

Rogene,

No i dont have my implants for 3 years now. Yeh that what it feels like a dog sitting on my chest. Thanks Rogene I had a hard time describing that.

In a message dated 1/24/2008 7:56:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, saxony01@... writes:

,

I haven't seen all the messages yet . . . Do you still have your implants? . . .

If so, think of trying to breath with a 50 pound dog sitting on your chest . . .

Your heart will have to work very hard!

Hugs,

Rogene

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[Guest guest]

Rogene,

I have been massaging my chest maybe this is the problem.

In a message dated 1/24/2008 8:18:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, saxony01@... writes:

,

I'm guessing, but you might have massive adhesions left from your implants - of course the capsules are probably a major part of the problem. . . Think of scar tissue binding your chest so it's can't expand and contract with each breath. Your heart must work that much harder to do it's job.

I recently had deep tissue massage to release my own adhesions . . . Very painful . . . but it brought blood back to chest muscles that were atrophying. . .

However, until those capsules are out, don't massage . . . it would only push those toxins out into your system.

Hugs,

Rogene

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[Guest guest]

Rogene,

Yes i ate raw crushed garlic and I let it set for 10 minutes.

In a message dated 1/24/2008 8:25:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, saxony01@... writes:

,

Did you eat crushed garlic? . . .

You get the most benefit if it's fresh, raw and crushed . . .

Once it's heated, most of the medicinal benefits are gone.

Hugs,

Rogene

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[Guest guest]

In my opinion, me just thinking about it, I would think they would

be keeping you ill. I think of them as the contaminated sponges.

They surrounded your implants the entire time, your implants (if saline)

still have a silicone shell. I think I remember dr. blais mentioning that

some valves (i maybe wrong about it being all or some) act like pumps.

They suck in what is on the outside of the implant and pump out

what is inside of the implant.

My implants had bacteria, staff infection, etc. which is obviously not healthy,

one of my valves was faulty and leaking. I am very grateful that I had Patty

as my support. She gave me all the info prior to my surgery . I made it clear

they remove the capsules and had them put it in writing.

I would really think about having them removed.

Re:

Yes, that is what I meant. Bless your heart.

I bet those durn capsules are keeping you ill.

You may eventually have to have them removed.

You are definately in my prayers, and you will

get well.

Love Dede

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,

I haven't seen all the messages yet . . . Do you still have your implants? . . .

If so, think of trying to breath with a 50 pound dog sitting on your chest . . .

Your heart will have to work very hard!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Dr. Kolb, Dr. Huang, and Dr. Feng will all help you either online or by phone.

If you decide to see one of these doctors, you'll be able to get your lab work done prior to leaving, have a consult the day before surgery and get your surgery over with in one trip. Generally you will stay a couple days after surgery before returning home.

They can help you with places to stay - eat - everything . . .

Dr. Huang is in Denver . . . probably the closest to you as well as the least expensive.

Hugs,

Rogene