Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Both. Keep washing your hands. And it's media hype too. Danger is that it might mutate into something more dangerous, and I think that's why they did a hype on it. Didn't happen, yet.. So far, the normal flu we have running around is far worse... and at the same time, they're more and more admitting that the flu vaccines don't usually work very well. Dave My 2 ¢ McGuire wrote: > Is Swine Flu something to be worried about, or is it just media hype? Should I beleive the hype? > > A. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Both. Keep washing your hands. And it's media hype too. Danger is that it might mutate into something more dangerous, and I think that's why they did a hype on it. Didn't happen, yet.. So far, the normal flu we have running around is far worse... and at the same time, they're more and more admitting that the flu vaccines don't usually work very well. Dave My 2 ¢ McGuire wrote: > Is Swine Flu something to be worried about, or is it just media hype? Should I beleive the hype? > > A. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Both. Keep washing your hands. And it's media hype too. Danger is that it might mutate into something more dangerous, and I think that's why they did a hype on it. Didn't happen, yet.. So far, the normal flu we have running around is far worse... and at the same time, they're more and more admitting that the flu vaccines don't usually work very well. Dave My 2 ¢ McGuire wrote: > Is Swine Flu something to be worried about, or is it just media hype? Should I beleive the hype? > > A. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 My two cents on this, for the moment...from what I have gathered from many reports...I don't have time to give links to everything, but please ask if you want more information or supporting material. - Any one particular news report is likely incomplete, and only a snapshot in time. - There are many more cases than are being reported. Most are mild (subject to definition of what is mild?), some are not. Many cases are in young people and young adults, thus the concern at schools. Most more serious / hospitalized cases are in those same age groups. This is a reversal of the usual elderly age pattern for hospitalizations from influenza complications. According to recently released information, older folks (about 55 and up) may carry effective antibodies from pre-1957 exposures to influenza viruses. - Most swine flu cases are not being tested. When someone in a doc's office does get a " rapid " influenza test, that test carries a 30-40% false negative rate. Labs are running behind with more advanced testing, and there is a shortage of technicians. So, any " confirmed cases " numbers you see published by WHO, CDC, or the press are subject to these factors. - Many journalists, health care workers, and some alt-health folks are uninformed as regards the science behind influenza viruses. Opinion pieces in news sources are frankly sometimes worthless. - The swine virus appears to be fairly easily transmitted, especially in certain localities and/or where people are in close proximity to each other. - The primary concerns expressed by influenza scientists are 1) it could become resistant to Tamiflu, making that drug ineffective for the more serious cases - and would also result in more viral shedding; 2) the swine virus could combine with the avian H5N1 and make that virus, which is more lethal to humans, more easily transmissable. H5N1 is currently endemic in certain areas of the world, especially parts of Egypt, Indonesia, China, and Vietnam - even though we don't hear about it in mainstream news - and it does continue to cause serious human infections, albeit in low numbers at this time. Not all of those infections are from poultry...some family clusters are seen. - For these reasons, it is shortsighted to look at this swine flu situation through " North American eyeglasses " (or, northern latitude), with our medical systems, and summer coming on. Other countries are very concerned due to population density, lack of medical facilities, advent of winter in southern latitudes, endemic H5N1, etc. - If you want to keep up with daily news on this sugject, you can read the daily news thread at Pandemic Influenza Forum (https://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewforum.php?f=1), then click on (for example) News - May 22, 2009 which will be a sticky near the top of the thread list. Today for instance, a lab technican from Nashville TN is talking about testing problems, and there is news from Australia, Japan, about US school closures, etc. There are people at this forum who have become quite skilled at finding & translating news reports from foreign newspapers. - In the meantime, I'll include below an article, " Why the New Flu Matters " , written by an epidemiologist from North Carolina USA. It's well-written and easy to read. - Bottom line? People may have to figure it out for themselves, and use common sense/intuition. In other words, to some degree you may be on your own if the situation changes in the future. Keep in mind all our infrastructure and supplies are run by or provided by humans (surprise!!) ....all of whom will be susceptible to possible future outbreaks. Perhaps exposure to the current swine virus would be a blessing in disguise (in the big picture). If it's a " mild " case, that is. Best wishes, Char ________ Sunday, May 17, 2009 Why the New Flu Matters http://apexdbs.blogspot.com/2009/05/why-new-flu-matters.html Take a look at this image. It isn't all that much to look at, but that is what the influenza virus looks like up close and personal. This photo comes courtesy of the Public Health Image Library at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And this little bugger is what has had most of us in my profession running on high alert since the end of March. I am a the Food Borne Disease epidemiologist for the State of North Carolina Division of Public Health. But before that, I was a general infectious disease epidemiologist with the Texas Department of Health in Austin, Texas. There I worked as much on respiratory diseases like tuberculosis, Legionnaire's disease, and influenza as I did on enteric pathogens like cryptosporidium, salmonella and E. coli. In the late 1990s I was the influenza surveillance coordinator for the State of Texas. So when this novel strain of influenza (H1N1) popped up, I was extremely interested. And, as it turned out, I was also on call that first weekend it hit in the U.S., and wound up working as part of our response team on this issue for the past several weeks. I know that a lot of people think the hype over novel influenza this past month was overblown, and I have read the same snarky comments that everyone else has about this all being much ado about nothing really important. That could not be further from the truth. And for everyone who thinks this has all blown over, I'm sorry, but this has not even started yet for us here in the U.S. For the past several years, we in public health have been sounding warning bells that the world is overdue for an influenza pandemic. Pandemics are world-wide epidemics of disease occurring simultaneously or in close succession, caused by the same organism. Very few pathogens are capable of causing pandemics. Influenza is one that not only can, it does. In the past century there have been three major pandemics: 1918, 1957, and 1967. Most of us don't remember them, although I was 3 years old in 1967 and lived through it. The worst one of course was 1918 when more than 40 million people died world-wide. We really don't know how many people died, because there are no accurate records from that era for places like India and China. Pandemic influenza is caused when a novel virus emerges, usually due to reassortment of genetic pieces from a combination of influenza viruses that can infect both humans and animals. There are many different kinds of influenza viruses. When a host organism gets infected with two or more virus strains at the same time, the genes can get scrambled and a new virus emerges. That creates what is known as a shift virus, which is different from the genetic drift we see with influenza from one annual epidemic to the next one. With drifting viruses, the changes from one year to the next are subtle and can be mild. People who have been exposed to a prior version of the virus may have partial immunity, and they don't get as sick. Herd immunity from the general population keeps the numbers of newly infected people down as well. Shift viruses are different. With shift viruses, everyone on Earth is susceptible to them. No one has the benefit of prior infection, so the numbers of new cases are likely to be higher. Sometimes the illnesses can also be much worse. The annual influenza epidemic in the U.S. infects anywhere from 5%-20% of the population. With shift viruses, we can expect the numbers to be higher--but not until next flu season, when this virus should return as the dominant strain causing illness in the U.S. Right now the new virus is a minor player. Next year, this one is likely to steal the show. For the past several years the World Health Organization has tracked a different new influenza virus, the avian influenza H5N1 virus. That one is a bad actor, with a 60% mortality rate. But it does not transmit easily from person-to-person, and even though we have tracked it since 2003, so far it has only caused 424 confirmed human infections with 261 deaths (as of May 15, according to WHO). That is after six years. This new influenza H1N1 has caused 8,480 confirmed cases in 39 countries with 72 deaths since March 2009. (As of May 17, according to WHO). It is less than two months into this virus. It is moving much more easily, and since everyone is susceptible, it should become well established. This one is not going away and it has already taken flight. So, yeah, we have been overdue for a pandemic for a long time. It is looking like we will soon have one on our hands, if we don't already. ----- Original Message ----- > Both. Keep washing your hands. And it's media hype too. > > Danger is that it might mutate into something more dangerous, and I > think that's why they did a hype on it. Didn't happen, yet.. So far, > the normal flu we have running around is far worse... and at the same > time, they're more and more admitting that the flu vaccines don't > usually work very well. > > Dave My 2 ¢ > > McGuire wrote: > > Is Swine Flu something to be worried about, or is it just media hype? Should I beleive the hype? > > > > A. _____________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 My two cents on this, for the moment...from what I have gathered from many reports...I don't have time to give links to everything, but please ask if you want more information or supporting material. - Any one particular news report is likely incomplete, and only a snapshot in time. - There are many more cases than are being reported. Most are mild (subject to definition of what is mild?), some are not. Many cases are in young people and young adults, thus the concern at schools. Most more serious / hospitalized cases are in those same age groups. This is a reversal of the usual elderly age pattern for hospitalizations from influenza complications. According to recently released information, older folks (about 55 and up) may carry effective antibodies from pre-1957 exposures to influenza viruses. - Most swine flu cases are not being tested. When someone in a doc's office does get a " rapid " influenza test, that test carries a 30-40% false negative rate. Labs are running behind with more advanced testing, and there is a shortage of technicians. So, any " confirmed cases " numbers you see published by WHO, CDC, or the press are subject to these factors. - Many journalists, health care workers, and some alt-health folks are uninformed as regards the science behind influenza viruses. Opinion pieces in news sources are frankly sometimes worthless. - The swine virus appears to be fairly easily transmitted, especially in certain localities and/or where people are in close proximity to each other. - The primary concerns expressed by influenza scientists are 1) it could become resistant to Tamiflu, making that drug ineffective for the more serious cases - and would also result in more viral shedding; 2) the swine virus could combine with the avian H5N1 and make that virus, which is more lethal to humans, more easily transmissable. H5N1 is currently endemic in certain areas of the world, especially parts of Egypt, Indonesia, China, and Vietnam - even though we don't hear about it in mainstream news - and it does continue to cause serious human infections, albeit in low numbers at this time. Not all of those infections are from poultry...some family clusters are seen. - For these reasons, it is shortsighted to look at this swine flu situation through " North American eyeglasses " (or, northern latitude), with our medical systems, and summer coming on. Other countries are very concerned due to population density, lack of medical facilities, advent of winter in southern latitudes, endemic H5N1, etc. - If you want to keep up with daily news on this sugject, you can read the daily news thread at Pandemic Influenza Forum (https://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewforum.php?f=1), then click on (for example) News - May 22, 2009 which will be a sticky near the top of the thread list. Today for instance, a lab technican from Nashville TN is talking about testing problems, and there is news from Australia, Japan, about US school closures, etc. There are people at this forum who have become quite skilled at finding & translating news reports from foreign newspapers. - In the meantime, I'll include below an article, " Why the New Flu Matters " , written by an epidemiologist from North Carolina USA. It's well-written and easy to read. - Bottom line? People may have to figure it out for themselves, and use common sense/intuition. In other words, to some degree you may be on your own if the situation changes in the future. Keep in mind all our infrastructure and supplies are run by or provided by humans (surprise!!) ....all of whom will be susceptible to possible future outbreaks. Perhaps exposure to the current swine virus would be a blessing in disguise (in the big picture). If it's a " mild " case, that is. Best wishes, Char ________ Sunday, May 17, 2009 Why the New Flu Matters http://apexdbs.blogspot.com/2009/05/why-new-flu-matters.html Take a look at this image. It isn't all that much to look at, but that is what the influenza virus looks like up close and personal. This photo comes courtesy of the Public Health Image Library at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And this little bugger is what has had most of us in my profession running on high alert since the end of March. I am a the Food Borne Disease epidemiologist for the State of North Carolina Division of Public Health. But before that, I was a general infectious disease epidemiologist with the Texas Department of Health in Austin, Texas. There I worked as much on respiratory diseases like tuberculosis, Legionnaire's disease, and influenza as I did on enteric pathogens like cryptosporidium, salmonella and E. coli. In the late 1990s I was the influenza surveillance coordinator for the State of Texas. So when this novel strain of influenza (H1N1) popped up, I was extremely interested. And, as it turned out, I was also on call that first weekend it hit in the U.S., and wound up working as part of our response team on this issue for the past several weeks. I know that a lot of people think the hype over novel influenza this past month was overblown, and I have read the same snarky comments that everyone else has about this all being much ado about nothing really important. That could not be further from the truth. And for everyone who thinks this has all blown over, I'm sorry, but this has not even started yet for us here in the U.S. For the past several years, we in public health have been sounding warning bells that the world is overdue for an influenza pandemic. Pandemics are world-wide epidemics of disease occurring simultaneously or in close succession, caused by the same organism. Very few pathogens are capable of causing pandemics. Influenza is one that not only can, it does. In the past century there have been three major pandemics: 1918, 1957, and 1967. Most of us don't remember them, although I was 3 years old in 1967 and lived through it. The worst one of course was 1918 when more than 40 million people died world-wide. We really don't know how many people died, because there are no accurate records from that era for places like India and China. Pandemic influenza is caused when a novel virus emerges, usually due to reassortment of genetic pieces from a combination of influenza viruses that can infect both humans and animals. There are many different kinds of influenza viruses. When a host organism gets infected with two or more virus strains at the same time, the genes can get scrambled and a new virus emerges. That creates what is known as a shift virus, which is different from the genetic drift we see with influenza from one annual epidemic to the next one. With drifting viruses, the changes from one year to the next are subtle and can be mild. People who have been exposed to a prior version of the virus may have partial immunity, and they don't get as sick. Herd immunity from the general population keeps the numbers of newly infected people down as well. Shift viruses are different. With shift viruses, everyone on Earth is susceptible to them. No one has the benefit of prior infection, so the numbers of new cases are likely to be higher. Sometimes the illnesses can also be much worse. The annual influenza epidemic in the U.S. infects anywhere from 5%-20% of the population. With shift viruses, we can expect the numbers to be higher--but not until next flu season, when this virus should return as the dominant strain causing illness in the U.S. Right now the new virus is a minor player. Next year, this one is likely to steal the show. For the past several years the World Health Organization has tracked a different new influenza virus, the avian influenza H5N1 virus. That one is a bad actor, with a 60% mortality rate. But it does not transmit easily from person-to-person, and even though we have tracked it since 2003, so far it has only caused 424 confirmed human infections with 261 deaths (as of May 15, according to WHO). That is after six years. This new influenza H1N1 has caused 8,480 confirmed cases in 39 countries with 72 deaths since March 2009. (As of May 17, according to WHO). It is less than two months into this virus. It is moving much more easily, and since everyone is susceptible, it should become well established. This one is not going away and it has already taken flight. So, yeah, we have been overdue for a pandemic for a long time. It is looking like we will soon have one on our hands, if we don't already. ----- Original Message ----- > Both. Keep washing your hands. And it's media hype too. > > Danger is that it might mutate into something more dangerous, and I > think that's why they did a hype on it. Didn't happen, yet.. So far, > the normal flu we have running around is far worse... and at the same > time, they're more and more admitting that the flu vaccines don't > usually work very well. > > Dave My 2 ¢ > > McGuire wrote: > > Is Swine Flu something to be worried about, or is it just media hype? Should I beleive the hype? > > > > A. _____________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 General advice, in the UK at least, is that HIV-positive people are not at additional risk compared to general population, though it does makes sense to try to avoid catching any flu. An idea of what might happen during the seasonal flu here (from September) will come from Australia, which is just going into winter now. An online set of Q & As is at this link: http://www.i-base.info/qa/?p=878 S >Swine Flu is now Pandemic and out there in our communities, should >HIVers be getting together in things like peer support groups? > >Here in the UK the government has clearly indicated we are more at >risk from complications and those who have died have been those with >underlying health conditions so to my mind it makes sense to avoid >placing anyone at risk, I don't want to be alarmist or catastrophise >the situation but I am averse to putting myself in social situations >where my health may be at risk until the situation is clearer, what >do you think, the views of anyone who is a clinician would be >especially appreciated because I can't get any advice that makes any >sense from our own public health advisors... -- Simon HIV i-Base http://www.i-Base.info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 It is very difficult to know what to do in this situation. We have had many cases here in Broward County, and I suspect I have had it, though I am awaiting confirmation. I would not be panicked, I would go about your life normally. Pay careful attention to washing your hands. Public transportation in the winter is probably the perfect incubator, as flu likes cool temperatures and low humidity for optimal spread. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Thank you for that. I see the advice on Directgov and given this is a new type of flu that no one has immunity too I can understand why we are at no greater risk of infection, this is not my concern. My concern is the impact it would have on my health if I did contract it. According to Directgov people with compromised immune systems whether through treatment or infection are likely to suffer much worse and it is those with underlying health conditions who have died. I am such a person. I know from past experience once I get one thing going wrong other things follow... I can find no guidance which says anything about people on HAART being less likely to suffer complications, for example if someone has a CD4 below 350 on HAART or not is that worse than having a higher CD4 count. Like so many other HIVers I have legacy health issues and to be seen off by the flu having lasted this long causes me concern... If I am to try to avoid catching any flu then surely it makes sense for me to avoid a social situation where I might catch it or G-d forbid, if I caught it, gave it to others with HIV... I want to do right by myself and others....I have a feeling its taking an unnecessary risk to be out and about until things settle down or become clearer...does this make sense? simon collins wrote: General advice, in the UK at least, is that HIV-positive people are not at additional risk compared to general population, though it does makes sense to try to avoid catching any flu. An idea of what might happen during the seasonal flu here (from September) will come from Australia, which is just going into winter now. An online set of Q & As is at this link: http://www.i-base.info/qa/?p=878 S Swine Flu is now Pandemic and out there in our communities, should HIVers be getting together in things like peer support groups? Here in the UK the government has clearly indicated we are more at risk from complications and those who have died have been those with underlying health conditions so to my mind it makes sense to avoid placing anyone at risk, I don't want to be alarmist or catastrophise the situation but I am averse to putting myself in social situations where my health may be at risk until the situation is clearer, what do you think, the views of anyone who is a clinician would be especially appreciated because I can't get any advice that makes any sense from our own public health advisors... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.8/2226 - Release Date: 07/08/09 21:51:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 "It is very difficult to know what to do in this situation. We have had many cases here in Broward County, and I suspect I have had it, though I am awaiting confirmation.I would not be panicked, I would go about your life normally. Pay careful attention to washing your hands. Public transportation in the winter is probably the perfect incubator, as flu likes cool temperatures and low humidity for optimal spread.JB "Thankfully it sounds like you are doing well, after a possible brush with this.Does "awaiting confirmation" mean that you got tested for swine flu - as a result of having had some sort of flu-like illness recently? Do you recall being exposed to someone in particular who seemed sick, or did it just pop up suddenly without warning?How does getting tested work at this point - can someone just go in and ask their doctor to get tested for swine flu, or are doctors now required to automatically test anyone they see who exhibits flu-like symptoms?Now if you did get a positive test back, and are doing well now - does this mean you now have natural antibodies to swine flu?I've also been wondering if there could be lots of people who have not had any flu illness, but would still happen to test positive for swine flu exposure?~~~~~~~~~~A 7-10-09 Miami Herald piece - "Florida preparing for huge swine flu shot program" - might offer more assurances for hiver's concerned about swine flu. Towards the end of the article (which might only show up in the 'printer friendly' version for some odd reason) it says:"U.S. Health officials say the H1N1 flu has been relatively mild so far, and has shown no evidence of mutating into a more violent strain.Of 170 deaths so far in the United States, 75 percent were of people with underlying health conditions such as asthma or heart problems"I was surprised they didn't include the usual phrase 'patients with hiv or on immunosuppressive therapies', that we see so often. And on the CDC swine flu page for hiv - it sounds like they are not considering this threat any different than regular flu for stable hiv patients.Maybe our heavy duty anti-virals are helping protect us from the swine flu virus?That would be a nice little bonus perhaps to go with my recent $1900 donut hole monthly Rx purchase copay :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Probably just a pharma-troll. > > Someone posted this in another group. How do you talk sense into these people? > > " I agree that it isn't the governments place to mandate flu vaccinations but I do believe that it is important the action be taken quickly against this possibly evolving virus. I have read that this virus or a variant of it was first found in the early 80's It was not able to reproduce it self and went dormant until recently where it has managed to pick up additional genetic information making it possible to spread person to person. If it continues to evolve it could become a super virus and kill millions of people. Will the pharmaceutical companies make money on the vaccine, definitely. Will people's lives be saved? Well that is one question that no one can answer. It could be that it never evolves enough to become anymore deadly than it currently is but what if......That is the problem, the what ifs. I know that there are dangers to any vaccine, but compared to the dangers of many of the viruses that we currently vaccinate against I for one am glad that we no longer have small pox or many of the other viruses that killed so many. I definitely believe that if you have a reaction to a particular vaccine you should be more cautious but lets not blow this thing up, they aren't trying to harm people but the help them. " > Dawn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 yeah sadly people are ignorant about how viruses work and that this " swine flu " virus is man made, in a laboratory. They just don't know is all. I wish they would stop calling it " swine flu " it's really a merge of human flu, bird flu and pig flu. That DOES NOT occur naturally. They have also bought hook, line and sinker whatever they are told. Which is why they think vaccines are good and viruses are bad. Some do not have faith in the immune system God gave them to protect their bodies. Nor in natural antivirals and immune support. Another words, they are easily terrified and that is why they will take that shot. > > Someone posted this in another group. How do you talk sense into these people? > > " I agree that it isn't the governments place to mandate flu vaccinations but I do believe that it is important the action be taken quickly against this possibly evolving virus. I have read that this virus or a variant of it was first found in the early 80's It was not able to reproduce it self and went dormant until recently where it has managed to pick up additional genetic information making it possible to spread person to person. If it continues to evolve it could become a super virus and kill millions of people. Will the pharmaceutical companies make money on the vaccine, definitely. Will people's lives be saved? Well that is one question that no one can answer. It could be that it never evolves enough to become anymore deadly than it currently is but what if......That is the problem, the what ifs. I know that there are dangers to any vaccine, but compared to the dangers of many of the viruses that we currently vaccinate against I for one am glad that we no longer have small pox or many of the other viruses that killed so many. I definitely believe that if you have a reaction to a particular vaccine you should be more cautious but lets not blow this thing up, they aren't trying to harm people but the help them. " > Dawn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Hi, I had swine flu too, I didn't feel that poorly either, sore throat, tight chest, headache, earache and tired was all. Til today when my friend and I went out to celebrate finishing our uni courses for this year, we went for a meal, (first proper meal in a week) which I had a light meal, and went to see the Harry Potter film, 'Half Blood Prince'. For the whole of the afternoon I was light headed, dizzy and felt very unwell, perhaps it was too much for one day!! I shall be spending the day in bed tomorrow with a JK Rowling book!! I passed my Foundation Degree by the way, with a Merit!! Glynis I just thought it may be of interest to know that I and my two sons had the swine flu just over a week ago (there were two confirmed cases at school). Apart from feeling a bit rubbish for approx four days, it wasn't too bad at all. > > julia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:54:27 -0000, you wrote: >I passed my Foundation Degree by the way, with a Merit!! Congratulations Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Congratulations Glynis, you did well to get through with thyroid problems ~ stress just makes it that much worse .... look out for the rebound as your adrenals 'recover' (hopefully) over the next few days.......my finger nails get a bashing after a stressful period of work ...insight and retrospect are wonderful after fifty/sixty years...... I think I've got the 'wrong' version of MTHFR (gene controlling the methylating cycle).....more on that later...and why I've needed extra folic acid this last couple of years.......it made a tremendous difference...especially to short-term memory, but also to intellectual functioning as well, which feature is impossible to understand subjectively... best wishes Bob >> Hi, I had swine flu too, I didn't feel that poorly either, sore throat, tight chest, headache, earache and tired was all. Til today when my friend and I went out to celebrate finishing our uni courses for this year, we went for a meal, (first proper meal in a week) which I had a light meal, and went to see the Harry Potter film, 'Half Blood Prince'. For the whole of the afternoon I was light headed, dizzy and felt very unwell, perhaps it was too much for one day!! I shall be spending the day in bed tomorrow with a JK Rowling book!!> I passed my Foundation Degree by the way, with a Merit!!> Glynis > > > > I just thought it may be of interest to know that I and my two sons had the swine flu just over a week ago (there were two confirmed cases at school). Apart from feeling a bit rubbish for approx four days, it wasn't too bad at all. > > > > julia> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hi Glynis; Congratulations on the degree, well done you, what was it in? Regards Jane > > I passed my Foundation Degree by the way, with a Merit!! > Glynis > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hi Jane, It was Heritage & Culture, I'm off the Open Uni in February to do another course then after that I have to do another 60 credits to get a full degree. I did the Foundation degree part time over 3 years, I'm glad I didn't try and go full time on it as it has been a real struggle at times!! > Hi Glynis; Congratulations on the degree, well done you, what was it in? > Regards > Jane > > I passed my Foundation Degree by the way, with a Merit!! > > Glynis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Thanks Bob, For the first two years of the course I was at Cannock college and it wasn't too bad but this last year I had to transfer to Lichfield college which meant very early mornings when I went to college and the course tutor there tried to force me into attending full time. He bullied me from day one but I ignored him! I'm lucky that the voluntary job that supported the course was my work at the Botanical Gardens, they were great and helped me a lot, it was also a relief that I had the Gardens to walk in and de-stress! Glynis > Congratulations Glynis, > > you did well to get through with thyroid problems ~ stress just makes it > that much worse .... > > look out for the rebound as your adrenals 'recover' (hopefully) over the > next few days.......my finger nails get a bashing after a stressful > period of work ...insight and retrospect are wonderful after > fifty/sixty years...... > > best wishes > > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hi Glynis, My g/g-father was from Macclesfield via Leek to Derby....:-) same locality ? Bob ah, Botanical Gardens, lovely ~ used to be able to get to the Arboretum at Derby (walking distance) where famous gardener(s) worked... > > Thanks Bob, > For the first two years of the course I was at Cannock college and it wasn't too bad but this last year I had to transfer to Lichfield college which meant very early mornings when I went to college and the course tutor there tried to force me into attending full time. He bullied me from day one but I ignored him! I'm lucky that the voluntary job that supported the course was my work at the Botanical Gardens, they were great and helped me a lot, it was also a relief that I had the Gardens to walk in and de-stress! > Glynis > > > > > Congratulations Glynis, > > > > you did well to get through with thyroid problems ~ stress just makes it > > that much worse .... > > > > look out for the rebound as your adrenals 'recover' (hopefully) over the > > next few days.......my finger nails get a bashing after a stressful > > period of work ...insight and retrospect are wonderful after > > fifty/sixty years...... > > > > > best wishes > > > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 > I think I've got the 'wrong' version of MTHFR (gene controlling the > methylating cycle).....more on that later...and why I've needed extra > folic acid this last couple of years.......it made a tremendous > difference...especially to short-term memory, but also to intellectual > functioning as well, which feature is impossible to understand > subjectively... I’m not entirely sure I understand methylation, but I have a suspicion weak liver is a major player in my own case …never had a homocysteine test but I decided to take tri-methyl glycine in addition to B complex and sublingual B12 spray. Recently I’ve thrown in an extra folic acid and extra B6, (purely on an intuitive basis rather than anything scientific). (since writing the above, I have found this link: http://www.nutriwest.com/articles/homovmsm.htm Bob, how much folic acid do you take, please? By the way I believe there’s a test for the MTHFR “wrong†version. One of my cats has just been diagnosed with an unspecified liver dysfunction, implied as the cause of arrhythmia …I was wondering about the safety of TGM for animals??? (I just read that TGM is betaine). I hope you’ll forgive this slight tangent, but he was also prescribed Baytril antibiotics. I gave him one dose and he clearly did not appreciate the drug …by means of a superficial cat bite I got the message not to give him any more By coincidence, I was just sent this: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/18/Antibiotics-to-Avo\ id-Like-the-Plague-Due-to-FDAs-Oversight-Failure.aspx Fluoroquinolone is in the human antibiotics and it is also in Baytril. “Fluoride is a known poison to your body, more toxic than lead and nearly as toxic as arsenic. Fluoride disrupts collagen synthesis, thereby breaking down collagen in your muscles, tendons, cartilage, bone, kidneys, lungs and skinâ€. Trish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Not Derby, Birmingham! Also a hangout of famous gardeners and plant hunters, Earnest Henry (China) learned his craft at the Birmingham Botanical Gardens!! Glynis > > My g/g-father was from Macclesfield via Leek to Derby....:-) > same locality ? > > Bob > ah, Botanical Gardens, lovely ~ used to be able to get to the Arboretum at Derby (walking distance) where famous gardener(s) worked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hi Glynis Ah, maternal g/g-father was from Birmingham so didn't get to see the botanical gardens in Birmingham, just yet.... must get my younger son to visit on a 'prospecting' mission....he works in Birmingham. Bob > > Not Derby, Birmingham! Also a hangout of famous gardeners and plant hunters, Earnest Henry (China) learned his craft at the Birmingham Botanical Gardens!! > Glynis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Hi Trish [[..Bob, how much folic acid do you take, please? By the way I believe there's a test for the MTHFR 'wrong' version....]] I'm taking (prescribed) 5mg of folic acid at the moment (and for the last 18mths). I was surprised at the effect and the time it took to start working... about 6weeks). I bet I can't get the test for the wrong version of MTHFR ~ but will ask anyway. best wishes Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 glad to hear that, Mandy! I was concerned too, but had NO info... best to you and good luck and all Jean From: amandanewell06@... Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:35 AM BB-Pals ; ; FIBRO_FROG ; Crohns ; crohns-friends ; HomeHeartstrings Subject: Swine flu I spoke to my gp short time ago and he is not worried that I have been in contact with swine flu he said if I get flu then he will treat me he is more worried about my crohns than swine flu. he said if i get flu from the child it will be in 5 days of being in contact with the virus. love Mandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hi Mandy, Take care, ok? Please see ur GP immediately when u feel flu symptoms coming....danger comes only if we do not see a doc soon enough. although the swine flu is scary, I guess we have to accept the fact that it is almost impossible to stop it from disrupting our lives... Ling From: gettingthere35 verizon <gettingthere35@...> Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 10:57:10Subject: Re: Swine flu glad to hear that, Mandy! I was concerned too, but had NO info... best to you and good luck and all Jean From: amandanewell06@ aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:35 AM BB-Pals@groups .com ; @grou ps.com ; FIBRO_FROG@gro ups.com ; Crohnsgroups (DOT) com ; crohns-friends ; HomeHeartstrings Subject: Swine flu I spoke to my gp short time ago and he is not worried that I have been in contact with swine flu he said if I get flu then he will treat me he is more worried about my crohns than swine flu. he said if i get flu from the child it will be in 5 days of being in contact with the virus. love Mandy Start chatting with friends on the all-new Pingbox today! It's easy to create your personal chat space on your blogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hi , I couldn't see an obvious goitre by simple manipulation of the colour and contrast etc. ...but, perhaps a Hashimoto's rash around the neck at about collar bone level? best wishes Bob > > Hi all, Has anyone else noticed that the poor girl that has been airlifted to Sweden for treatment looks like she has a thyroid condition (goiter in her neck). See Daily Mail Saturday 25th July (you can go online as well). What IF she is an undiagnosed thyroid patient - isn't that more power to our elbow that people are going undiagnosed and are suffering the consequences of such. > > I can send the picture to anyone who is interested in this theory. > > Kind regards > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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