Paramedic Pay

[Guest guest]

I have a question. Are you saying that your new job is NOT paying time and

a half over 40 hours each week and that is why you aren't making any money

or what? EMS agencies are NOT exempt from this requirement according to the

most recent successful lawsuits and FLSA representatives. I also am not

sure that I am understanding your post on your pay rates. Are you saying

that you are being paid 2 different rates depending on whether you are

working 12 or 24 hour shifts but are performing the same job? Cause if they

are doing that, it is not legal either. You have to be paid the same hourly

rate (with OT if applicable) even if you are working in different

departments for the same company if you are doing the same job in each of

the departments.

Jane Hill

paramedic pay

> I work for a private service. I left a 24 hr shift to work a 12 hr

> shift because my hourly rate went up almost 5 dollars an hour.

> Management says that your hourly rate is what it is, so if you work

> an extra shift for OT and you are on a 24 hr shift, your hr rate

> stinks.

> I have worked extra the last pay period, 122 hrs in 2 wk period,

> common on 24/48. My check was almost double from when I was on a 24

> hr shift with that hourly rate. I am not complaining, but what law in

> Texas says that a company can set a salary per year, but pay

> different rates when you work different shifts? Approx. 2920 hours

> per year for 24 hr shifts vs. 2184 hrs per year for 12 hr shifts. The

> company I work for (you don't sleep) we are to busy with transfers,

> 24 hr shifts get slammed. I just feel bad for the other guys on the

> 24hr shifts. I am staying on the 12hr shifts, 736 hrs per year less

> work with same pay, I can spend with family. Somebody tell me what

> labor laws or avenues that I can persue to look this up. Thank you

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, Mike, according to our FLSA rep it has nothing to do with an " explicit

agreement at the time of hire. " There are certain guidelines for pay and

those are the same for everyone, regardless, is my understanding. Am I

missing something?

Jane Hill

paramedic pay

> >

> >

> > I work for a private service. I left a 24 hr shift to work a 12 hr

> > shift because my hourly rate went up almost 5 dollars an hour.

> > Management says that your hourly rate is what it is, so if you work

> > an extra shift for OT and you are on a 24 hr shift, your hr rate

> > stinks.

> > I have worked extra the last pay period, 122 hrs in 2 wk period,

> > common on 24/48. My check was almost double from when I was on a 24

> > hr shift with that hourly rate. I am not complaining, but what law in

> > Texas says that a company can set a salary per year, but pay

> > different rates when you work different shifts? Approx. 2920 hours

> > per year for 24 hr shifts vs. 2184 hrs per year for 12 hr shifts. The

> > company I work for (you don't sleep) we are to busy with transfers,

> > 24 hr shifts get slammed. I just feel bad for the other guys on the

> > 24hr shifts. I am staying on the 12hr shifts, 736 hrs per year less

> > work with same pay, I can spend with family. Somebody tell me what

> > labor laws or avenues that I can persue to look this up. Thank you

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jane,

My understanding of his post was that while

permanently assigned to the 24 hour shift his pay was

a certain amount, and while permanently assigned to

the 12 hour shift is was another rate. Many, if not

all, EMS services with different shift lengths do

this. When you multiply the number of hours worked in

a year and the base salary of any shift you end up

with the same annual salary. Do you want the salary

of $X for 10 shifts a month or for 20 shifts a month?

This is nothing new. Probably a little something

Arthur Andersen came up with.

E. Tate, LP

103º in the shade

Tyler, Texas

--- Jane Hill & lt;jehill@... & gt; wrote:

& gt; I have a question. Are you saying that your new

job

& gt; is NOT paying time and

& gt; a half over 40 hours each week and that is why

you

& gt; aren't making any money

& gt; or what? EMS agencies are NOT exempt from this

& gt; requirement according to the

& gt; most recent successful lawsuits and FLSA

& gt; representatives. I also am not

& gt; sure that I am understanding your post on your

pay

& gt; rates. Are you saying

& gt; that you are being paid 2 different rates

depending

& gt; on whether you are

& gt; working 12 or 24 hour shifts but are performing

the

& gt; same job? Cause if they

& gt; are doing that, it is not legal either. You have

to

& gt; be paid the same hourly

& gt; rate (with OT if applicable) even if you are

working

& gt; in different

& gt; departments for the same company if you are doing

& gt; the same job in each of

& gt; the departments.

& gt;

& gt; Jane Hill

& gt;

& gt; paramedic pay

& gt;

& gt;

& gt; & gt; I work for a private service. I left a 24 hr

shift

& gt; to work a 12 hr

& gt; & gt; shift because my hourly rate went up almost

5

& gt; dollars an hour.

& gt; & gt; Management says that your hourly rate is

what it

& gt; is, so if you work

& gt; & gt; an extra shift for OT and you are on a 24 hr

& gt; shift, your hr rate

& gt; & gt; stinks.

& gt; & gt; I have worked extra the last pay period, 122

hrs

& gt; in 2 wk period,

& gt; & gt; common on 24/48. My check was almost double

from

& gt; when I was on a 24

& gt; & gt; hr shift with that hourly rate. I am not

& gt; complaining, but what law in

& gt; & gt; Texas says that a company can set a salary

per

& gt; year, but pay

& gt; & gt; different rates when you work different

shifts?

& gt; Approx. 2920 hours

& gt; & gt; per year for 24 hr shifts vs. 2184 hrs per

year

& gt; for 12 hr shifts. The

& gt; & gt; company I work for (you don't sleep) we are

to

& gt; busy with transfers,

& gt; & gt; 24 hr shifts get slammed. I just feel bad

for the

& gt; other guys on the

& gt; & gt; 24hr shifts. I am staying on the 12hr

shifts, 736

& gt; hrs per year less

& gt; & gt; work with same pay, I can spend with family.

& gt; Somebody tell me what

& gt; & gt; labor laws or avenues that I can persue to

look

& gt; this up. Thank you

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt;

[Guest guest]

I, too, work for a transfer service and totally sympathize with the lower pay.

My partner, for the last four years, has decided to reenlist in the army to get

a better pay scale and more secure job. Transfer services are in the business to

make money.When you work 24 hr. shifts, you save them money. They feel that the

" trade off " is that you only work 2-3 days a week. But if you work at a transfer

service that is busy or is back up for a major service, then you are making them

more money than the 12 hr. or " day crews " while busting your butt. Night shifts

have more potential for the high dollar transfers such as ACLS, PALS and MICU.

So, you may run several calls during the day for dialysis/BLS and then run 4-5

calls from 2300-0700 that are more severe. And, we do all this for a $12.00/hr

salary that can't support our families without another job. We asked for it

however. I don't remember anyone telling me I'd be rich or well rested 25 yrs

ago. when I got into this mess.

[Guest guest]

I work a Transfer service that does 911 backup for a large town. We have 1

" Day crew " that works 8 hrs a day for 5 days a week. I am on shift (24hrs on

and 48hrs off). Shift employees are paid as follows: Paid from 07:00 -

23:00, paid when on calls only from 23:00 - 07:00 unless up for 3 hrs then we

get paid the full 8 hrs. All out crews are MICU. We do local and long

distance MICU transfers (over 20 hrs). Paramedics are paid, when paid,

$9.00/hr. We do get paid overtime when we work over 40 hrs/wk. Hope the

input is helpful.

[Guest guest]

I guess that is a sleep agreement. We (people on shift) do sleep since we

are not getting paid. We do have a bunk room.

In a message dated 8/4/02 9:51:08 PM Central Daylight Time,

annieannieruok@... writes:

> Subj:Re: paramedic pay

> Date:8/4/02 9:51:08 PM Central Daylight Time

> From: annieannieruok@... (annieannieruok)

> Reply-to: <A

HREF= " mailto: " > </A>

> To:

>

>

>

>

>

> Is that considered a " sleep agreement " ?

>

> It's sad that for what we have to know, do and with the little sleep and

> food we do it on, we don't get paid like a nurse or even an aide in some

> hospitals!

>

[Guest guest]

Our FLSA rep told me that you can't pay an employee one pay rate for one

shift and then pay that same employee another pay rate for another type of

shift when that employee is doing the same job on both shifts. That was my

understanding anyway.

Jane

paramedic pay

> & gt;

> & gt;

> & gt; & gt; I work for a private service. I left a 24 hr

> shift

> & gt; to work a 12 hr

> & gt; & gt; shift because my hourly rate went up almost

> 5

> & gt; dollars an hour.

> & gt; & gt; Management says that your hourly rate is

> what it

> & gt; is, so if you work

> & gt; & gt; an extra shift for OT and you are on a 24 hr

> & gt; shift, your hr rate

> & gt; & gt; stinks.

> & gt; & gt; I have worked extra the last pay period, 122

> hrs

> & gt; in 2 wk period,

> & gt; & gt; common on 24/48. My check was almost double

> from

> & gt; when I was on a 24

> & gt; & gt; hr shift with that hourly rate. I am not

> & gt; complaining, but what law in

> & gt; & gt; Texas says that a company can set a salary

> per

> & gt; year, but pay

> & gt; & gt; different rates when you work different

> shifts?

> & gt; Approx. 2920 hours

> & gt; & gt; per year for 24 hr shifts vs. 2184 hrs per

> year

> & gt; for 12 hr shifts. The

> & gt; & gt; company I work for (you don't sleep) we are

> to

> & gt; busy with transfers,

> & gt; & gt; 24 hr shifts get slammed. I just feel bad

> for the

> & gt; other guys on the

> & gt; & gt; 24hr shifts. I am staying on the 12hr

> shifts, 736

> & gt; hrs per year less

> & gt; & gt; work with same pay, I can spend with family.

> & gt; Somebody tell me what

> & gt; & gt; labor laws or avenues that I can persue to

> look

> & gt; this up. Thank you

> & gt; & gt;

> & gt; & gt;

> & gt; & gt;

> & gt; & gt;

> & gt; & gt;

[Guest guest]

Twelve dollars an hour???? Man, I wish my board would let me pay my crews

THAT!!!!

Jane Hill

Re: paramedic pay

>

> I, too, work for a transfer service and totally sympathize with the lower

pay. My partner, for the last four years, has decided to reenlist in the

army to get a better pay scale and more secure job. Transfer services are in

the business to make money.When you work 24 hr. shifts, you save them money.

They feel that the " trade off " is that you only work 2-3 days a week. But if

you work at a transfer service that is busy or is back up for a major

service, then you are making them more money than the 12 hr. or " day crews "

while busting your butt. Night shifts have more potential for the high

dollar transfers such as ACLS, PALS and MICU. So, you may run several calls

during the day for dialysis/BLS and then run 4-5 calls from 2300-0700 that

are more severe. And, we do all this for a $12.00/hr salary that can't

support our families without another job. We asked for it however. I don't

remember anyone telling me I'd be rich or well rested 25 yrs ago. when I got

into this mess.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wish we could get that at ours to.....

On a funny note I had a nurse fried ask me about my pat and she was

shocked that we made what we do. She thought we made at least what she

did... 25.00/hr.

AJ Emt-P

Health and Safety Director

Priority ONE EMS Beaumont

Jane Hill wrote:

> Twelve dollars an hour???? Man, I wish my board would let me pay my

> crews

> THAT!!!!

>

> Jane Hill

>

> Re: paramedic pay

>

>

> >

> > I, too, work for a transfer service and totally sympathize with the

> lower

> pay. My partner, for the last four years, has decided to reenlist in

> the

> army to get a better pay scale and more secure job. Transfer services

> are in

> the business to make money.When you work 24 hr. shifts, you save them

> money.

> They feel that the " trade off " is that you only work 2-3 days a week.

> But if

> you work at a transfer service that is busy or is back up for a major

> service, then you are making them more money than the 12 hr. or " day

> crews "

> while busting your butt. Night shifts have more potential for the high

>

> dollar transfers such as ACLS, PALS and MICU. So, you may run several

> calls

> during the day for dialysis/BLS and then run 4-5 calls from 2300-0700

> that

> are more severe. And, we do all this for a $12.00/hr salary that can't

>

> support our families without another job. We asked for it however. I

> don't

> remember anyone telling me I'd be rich or well rested 25 yrs ago. when

> I got

> into this mess.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, we are held to no more than 40 hrs a week and with four kids and

a Basic for a husband, mine is the highest income in this family. Makes me wish

I never left the office " nurse " part of medicine. And the partner that's joining

the army; that's my husband!

Annie {}

[Guest guest]

Is that considered a " sleep agreement " ?

It's sad that for what we have to know, do and with the little sleep and food we

do it on, we don't get paid like a nurse or even an aide in some hospitals!

[Guest guest]

But I'm not completely sure these are legal, strictly speaking. Can you

leave the premises during this " sleep time " ? If so, then you could be

paid " on-call " pay. If not, you're an on the clock employee. At least

that's how it would stack up in a challenge. Otherwise, firefighters

everywhere would lose money on " sleep time. "

Or, is it that they wouldn't accept such an arrangement in the first

place? It doesn't change until you make it change.

Mike

> Re: paramedic pay

>

>

>

> Is that considered a " sleep agreement " ?

>

> It's sad that for what we have to know, do and with the

> little sleep and food we do it on, we don't get paid like a

> nurse or even an aide in some hospitals!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know in my case that we are not allowed to leave durring " sleep time " .

There is no on call pay where I work at. We are not paid durring " sleep

time " unless we get a call.

In a message dated 8/4/02 10:01:35 PM Central Daylight Time,

mreed911@... writes:

> Subj:RE: paramedic pay

> Date:8/4/02 10:01:35 PM Central Daylight Time

> From: mreed911@... (Mike , LP)

> Reply-to: <A

HREF= " mailto: " > </A>

> To:

>

>

>

>

> But I'm not completely sure these are legal, strictly speaking. Can you

> leave the premises during this " sleep time " ? If so, then you could be

> paid " on-call " pay. If not, you're an on the clock employee. At least

> that's how it would stack up in a challenge. Otherwise, firefighters

> everywhere would lose money on " sleep time. "

>

> Or, is it that they wouldn't accept such an arrangement in the first

> place? It doesn't change until you make it change.

>

>

[Guest guest]

You have got to be kidding!!!!!!

Who wants to work for no pay?

Re: paramedic pay

>

>

> >

> > I, too, work for a transfer service and totally sympathize with the

lower

> pay. My partner, for the last four years, has decided to reenlist in the

> army to get a better pay scale and more secure job. Transfer services are

in

> the business to make money.When you work 24 hr. shifts, you save them

money.

> They feel that the " trade off " is that you only work 2-3 days a week. But

if

> you work at a transfer service that is busy or is back up for a major

> service, then you are making them more money than the 12 hr. or " day

crews "

> while busting your butt. Night shifts have more potential for the high

> dollar transfers such as ACLS, PALS and MICU. So, you may run several

calls

> during the day for dialysis/BLS and then run 4-5 calls from 2300-0700 that

> are more severe. And, we do all this for a $12.00/hr salary that can't

> support our families without another job. We asked for it however. I don't

> remember anyone telling me I'd be rich or well rested 25 yrs ago. when I

got

> into this mess.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I was offered a position at Rural/Metro - MedStar for between $10 and

$11/hr, 48 hours a week. That included the differential for being a

Licensed Paramedic, which was less than $.50/hr. This offer was made

during this calendar year.

Unfortunately, I was not able to take them up on that offer. They were

also unwilling to consider two 24 hr shifts a week (or more!) vs. 4

12's. They're big on SSM and because of that and their pay scale,

hurting for people. Unfortunately, as a single dad, 4 12's takes me

away from my family SIGNIFICANTLY more than 2 or 3 24's does, and I

can't make that compromise. Otherwise, I'd have enjoyed running my *ss

off in Stop Six. I'm really sorry that didn't work out - but it shows

why R/M is having a hard time meeting their numbers up there - the

system they've set up is inflexible and doesn't allow them many outs.

Mike

> Re: paramedic pay

> ~

> ~

> ~ follow up......

> ~

> ~ Is $12.00 / hour considered high wages in your area, Jane?

> Forgive my ~ ignorance, I am employed in Central Texas and

> the pay scale is much ~ different then that. ~ ~ Thanks, ~ ~

> ~ Re: paramedic pay ~

> > > ~ > > ~ > > > ~ > > > I, too, work for a transfer service

> and totally sympathize with the ~ > lower ~ > > pay. My

> partner, for the last four years, has decided to ~ reenlist

> in the ~ > > army to get a better pay scale and more secure

> job. Transfer services ~ are ~ > in ~ > > the business to

> make money.When you work 24 hr. shifts, you save them ~ >

> money. ~ > > They feel that the " trade off " is that you only

> work 2-3 days a week. ~ But ~ > if ~ > > you work at a

> transfer service that is busy or is back up for a major ~ > >

> service, then you are making them more money than the 12 hr.

> or " day ~ > crews " ~ > > while busting your butt. Night

> shifts have more potential for the high ~ > > dollar

> transfers such as ACLS, PALS and MICU. So, you may run

> several ~ > calls ~ > > during the day for dialysis/BLS and

> then run 4-5 calls from 2300-0700 ~ that ~ > > are more

> severe. And, we do all this for a $12.00/hr salary that can't

> ~ > > support our families without another job. We asked for

> it however. I ~ don't ~ > > remember anyone telling me I'd be

> rich or well rested 25 yrs ~ ago. when I ~ > got ~ > > into

> this mess. ~ > > > ~ > > > ~ > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message have been removed] ~ > > > ~ > > > ~ > > > ~ > > > ~

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Then I'm not sure that would hold up under a challenge from the DOL and

TWC. If it's worth it to you, check into it. Most places that do this

" just get away with it. " Too many of us are willing to work for minimum

wage or accept generally substandard work agreements just to be in EMS.

Until we demand respect, pay and benefits, nothing will change.

There's already an EMS shortage in Texas. It's a crisis that only we

know about, for the most part. Imagine how quickly the public would

react if all of a sudden 20% of the EMS workforce walked off the job

because of substandard pay and benefits, and more places were left with

no coverage, or waiting 45+ minutes for an ambulance (911). Imagine if

nursing homes had *nobody* to turn to when patients needed transport -

if dialysis clinics had no means of shuttling patients back and forth.

Sure, some patients would fare for the worse - but how else are people

going to realize what they don't have unless it's gone? And don't go

" ethical " on me - look at the trauma surgeons in NV, or the OB/GYN docs

in FL. In the case of NV, they LEFT. A trauma surgery program SHUT

DOWN because of premiums for malpractice insurance that were UNPAYABLE.

And now look at the reforms they're getting. Sure, in that interim,

some people that needed service died because it wasn't available where

they needed it. But they didn't have to - legislators could have

listened EARLIER and prevented it. It's not the doctor's fault... And

it wouldn't be " our " fault if we left either... And you can damn sure

bet the public would listen then.

" Thank you for calling 9-1-1. For fire, press 1. For police, press 2.

For EMS, get in your car and drive yourself, or call 555-1212 for Yellow

Cab - we no longer have an ambulance. Good luck, and thanks for calling

9-1-1. " Uh-huh. That would last, what, days? Hours? Emergency

funding would appear from NOWHERE to get EMS folks back on the streets,

and legislation would appear in HOURS to prevent it from happening

again.

But wait, I keep forgetting, we don't have a solid voice, much less ANY

group putting forth plans and ideas. Bob Kellow is about the closest it

comes to actually mitigating problems with EMS in Texas, and he's pretty

much limited himself to email responses. I guess we all like making

less than the folks at 's, and working 60 hours a week to earn

welfare and food stamps. That's why we went to school, and what we

aspired to. Oh, yeah, and we get to help people. That is, while

there's still a " we " left to help them...

Mike

> Re: paramedic pay

>

>

> I know in my case that we are not allowed to leave durring

> " sleep time " . There is no on call pay where I work at. We

> are not paid durring " sleep time " unless we get a call.

>

>

> In a message dated 8/4/02 10:01:35 PM Central Daylight Time,

> mreed911@... writes:

>

>

> > Subj:RE: paramedic pay

> > Date:8/4/02 10:01:35 PM Central Daylight Time

> > From: mreed911@... (Mike , LP)

> > Reply-to: <A

> HREF= " mailto: " >@yahoogroup

> s.com</A>

> > To:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > But I'm not completely sure these are legal, strictly

> speaking. Can

> > you leave the premises during this " sleep time " ? If so, then you

> > could be paid " on-call " pay. If not, you're an on the

> clock employee.

> > At least that's how it would stack up in a challenge. Otherwise,

> > firefighters everywhere would lose money on " sleep time. "

> >

> > Or, is it that they wouldn't accept such an arrangement in

> the first

> > place? It doesn't change until you make it change.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm actually about to go through this with a non-EMS employer I did some

P/T work for. We had an employment agreement they didn't live up to,

and I'm having to challenge it under FLSA. I'll keep you posted on what

I find out.

Mike

> Re: paramedic pay

>

>

> Hey, Mike, according to our FLSA rep it has nothing to do

> with an " explicit agreement at the time of hire. " There are

> certain guidelines for pay and those are the same for

> everyone, regardless, is my understanding. Am I missing something?

>

> Jane Hill

>

> paramedic pay

> > >

> > >

> > > I work for a private service. I left a 24 hr shift to

> work a 12 hr

> > > shift because my hourly rate went up almost 5 dollars an hour.

> > > Management says that your hourly rate is what it is, so

> if you work

> > > an extra shift for OT and you are on a 24 hr shift, your hr rate

> > > stinks. I have worked extra the last pay period, 122 hrs in 2 wk

> > > period, common on 24/48. My check was almost double from

> when I was

> > > on a 24 hr shift with that hourly rate. I am not complaining, but

> > > what law in Texas says that a company can set a salary

> per year, but

> > > pay different rates when you work different shifts? Approx. 2920

> > > hours per year for 24 hr shifts vs. 2184 hrs per year for 12 hr

> > > shifts. The company I work for (you don't sleep) we are

> to busy with

> > > transfers, 24 hr shifts get slammed. I just feel bad for

> the other

> > > guys on the 24hr shifts. I am staying on the 12hr shifts, 736 hrs

> > > per year less work with same pay, I can spend with

> family. Somebody

> > > tell me what labor laws or avenues that I can persue to look this

> > > up. Thank you

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/4/2002 6:44:28 PM Central Standard Time,

jehill@... writes:

>

> Twelve dollars an hour???? Man, I wish my board would let me pay my crews

> THAT!!!!

>

> Jane Hill

>

Then do not, I repeat, do not let them know anything on the whereabouts that

The City of Beaumont EMS is located. Andy

[Guest guest]

I totally empathize with the 72hr shift during (been there, done that).

I know of one medic that works 72hrs straight every week. He's proud to say it's

his shift but my concern is how is this affecting his work, health and pt.

outcome? We're supposed to be tough, or so I've been told since 1977, but

martyrs? And under paid at that?

Annie {}

[Guest guest]

Mike-

Your link to the Cypress Creek site provided some most useful insights into this

common and reprehensible practice. I suggest every respondent to this thread

read the Department of Labor responses and examine their own situations

accordingly.

Until medics begin to learn how to protect their rights as workers and refuse to

accept the abuses of a number of unscrupulous businesses, these vile

manipulations will continue.

The insult of having an individual acquire the extensive training and experience

then shoulder the life and death responsibility of being a Paramedic, and then

receive the hourly pay due a day laborer is untenable.

As an EMS educator and life-long volunteer, I am incensed by these practices.

Within my own county, wages for a Paramedic range from $7 to $20 per hour. The

low-end employers have a range of " questionable " practices to confuse or obscure

their outright illegal abuse of their employees. Paid staff in the EMS service

I volunteer with are close to the top of the pay scale and are not allowed to

volunteer within the service in any capacity.

I would like to illuminate these scams to my students before they are burned.

Throwing a bright light on these practices and the recourses available is the

way to give medics the tools to protect their interests.

What other resources do you have discovered regarding these wage/hour scams?

And how about you, Counselor Gandy? Can you help out as well?

Contact me off-list if you like at dinerman@...

Regards to all-

T.A. Dinerman EMTP

Re: paramedic pay

>

>

>

> Services that pay per shift and do not pay time and a half

> are out there and to my understanding ( I'm just an

> " ignorant " paramedic) they are " exempt " from labor laws due

> to the " nature of the employment " . This is my employer's

> justification for my questioing of no overtime pay

> adjustments and working more than 24hrs at a time.

>

> How many times have EMS personnel worked 48, 72 hours

> straight? That's illegal too but we're asked to do it much

> more than seems legal or safe. Relief doesn't show up, you're

> stuck! Seems very unhealthy for the medic and the patients

> they serve or at least try to serve.

>

> " It doesn't change until we change it " is all well and good

> but when it's a transfer service, they'll let you go in a

> heart beat because they know there's more " newbies " out there

> who'll work for less and NOT complain.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is one of the more informative sites I have found with reference to

FLSA.

http://www.flsa.com/

It answers many of the questions regarding, 'salary' employees, EMS, Fire

etc.

Hatfield EMT-P

" I would rather you call me and not need me, than need me and not call me. "

Re: paramedic pay

> >

> >

> >

> > Services that pay per shift and do not pay time and a half

> > are out there and to my understanding ( I'm just an

> > " ignorant " paramedic) they are " exempt " from labor laws due

> > to the " nature of the employment " . This is my employer's

> > justification for my questioing of no overtime pay

> > adjustments and working more than 24hrs at a time.

> >

> > How many times have EMS personnel worked 48, 72 hours

> > straight? That's illegal too but we're asked to do it much

> > more than seems legal or safe. Relief doesn't show up, you're

> > stuck! Seems very unhealthy for the medic and the patients

> > they serve or at least try to serve.

> >

> > " It doesn't change until we change it " is all well and good

> > but when it's a transfer service, they'll let you go in a

> > heart beat because they know there's more " newbies " out there

> > who'll work for less and NOT complain.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

www.overtimelawyer.com

> This is one of the more informative sites I have found with

reference to

> FLSA.

>

> http://www.flsa.com/

>

> It answers many of the questions regarding, 'salary' employees,

EMS, Fire

> etc.

>

> Hatfield EMT-P

>

> " I would rather you call me and not need me, than need me and not

call me. "

> Re: paramedic pay

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Services that pay per shift and do not pay time and a half

> > > are out there and to my understanding ( I'm just an

> > > " ignorant " paramedic) they are " exempt " from labor laws due

> > > to the " nature of the employment " . This is my employer's

> > > justification for my questioing of no overtime pay

> > > adjustments and working more than 24hrs at a time.

> > >

> > > How many times have EMS personnel worked 48, 72 hours

> > > straight? That's illegal too but we're asked to do it much

> > > more than seems legal or safe. Relief doesn't show up, you're

> > > stuck! Seems very unhealthy for the medic and the patients

> > > they serve or at least try to serve.

> > >

> > > " It doesn't change until we change it " is all well and good

> > > but when it's a transfer service, they'll let you go in a

> > > heart beat because they know there's more " newbies " out there

> > > who'll work for less and NOT complain.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Okay, but let's call a spade a spade. - is the firm

running ccemsovertime.com (look at the contact us page, it lists the

very email address this came from). In fact, a lot of their verbiage

appears to be cut-and-paste or slightly altered from the flsa.com web

site. While I don't have a problem with them commenting in this forum

on the issues, and their take, a brazen " dropped link advertisement " is

probably not appropriate, IMHO. Especially without a signature or other

indication that the " poster " was in fact someone listed as a contact on

the " ccemsovertime.com " web site, and linked to " overtimelawyer.com " .

You want to comment? Fine.

You want to advertise? Go somewhere else.

And sign your posts, please. Especially when you're supposed to present

yourself like a professional. We don't need the image of " lawyers

hiding under the covers. " We've already got GG to worry about...

<grin>.

Mike

> Re: paramedic pay

>

>

> www.overtimelawyer.com

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,

It's people who get " excited " , angry, frustrated and can intellegently put their

concerns out that are the back bone of making a difference. People like you!

Ever thought of running for office? You are exactly what EMS needs to move in a

positive, professional direction.

Until we ALL act professional, look professional etc., we will still be

considered " ambulance drivers " , " medical taxis " .

Annie {}

[Guest guest]

Annie,

Are you a member of EMSAT? If not, you need to join before the November

elections. go to http://www.emsatoftx.org/index8.html and download the

membership application form, send in your $35.00 and become a member. Mike

may well be one of the nominees for board membership in the November

elections. You want to vote for him, you've got to be a member. We need him,

so we need you.

Regards,

Donn

~ RE: Re: paramedic pay

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~

~

~ Mike,

~

~ It's people who get " excited " , angry, frustrated and can

~ intellegently put their concerns out that are the back bone of

~ making a difference. People like you!

~

~ Ever thought of running for office? You are exactly what EMS

~ needs to move in a positive, professional direction.

~

~ Until we ALL act professional, look professional etc., we will

~ still be considered " ambulance drivers " , " medical taxis " .

~

~

~

~ Annie {}

~

~

~