Newbie with Questions

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sherry. I'll definitely give the Zantac a try. I think we

even have some in the cabinet. If I can get rid of the nausea with the

mtx, I will be really thrilled.

Angie

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT.......dont fix what aint broken. If your car

drove well and your mechanic said you needed a new engine...would you get

one. Many people have horrible MRIs but have no back pain...... if it is an

episodic thing (the pain) I would treat it conservatively as you are doing.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of hepburnbs

Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:07 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Newbie with questions

Hi,

After spinal x-rays and an MRI, a neurosurgeon has recommended a fusion

with titanium hardware for my spondylolesthesis and degenerative disk

disease - L5/s1. This all came to light when I had intermittent

numbness and tingling in my feet. During the period between my x-ray

and the MRI, the GP sent me to PT. My feet stopped tingling. I very

rarely have back pain. When I do, it can be traced to a specific

strenuous activity. When I asked the neurosurgeon (a guy with minus

interpersonal skills<g>) if I could wait on surgery, and if so, how

long, he said " At your age, you'll probably live at least another 25

years. If you come to me when you're 80, I won't be able to help

you. " (I'm 65) I have had excellent health all of my life and was

blindsided by this issue.

I'm at a total loss as to what to do now. I've read everything on line

about my problems and back surgery. I've read all of the post 2001

books in my library on the subject. My GP says to do what the neuro

says. The neurosurgeon is the head of his dept at a well-known

university. He has done these surgeries for years. My " friends " have

told me horror stories. I really want to know why I should have major

intrusive surgery to (maybe) fix something that doesn't hurt. And, I

don't know how to investigate the alternatives.

Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks for listening.

Sharon Hepburn

[Guest guest]

Ditto -Sharon

My god, if your numbness goes away and you dont have back pain, you can manage

with intermittent Physical Therapy, massage, swimming, hot baths, accupuncture,

anything but surgery.

RN

Newbie with questions

Hi,

After spinal x-rays and an MRI, a neurosurgeon has recommended a fusion

with titanium hardware for my spondylolesthesis and degenerative disk

disease - L5/s1. This all came to light when I had intermittent

numbness and tingling in my feet. During the period between my x-ray

and the MRI, the GP sent me to PT. My feet stopped tingling. I very

rarely have back pain. When I do, it can be traced to a specific

strenuous activity. When I asked the neurosurgeon (a guy with minus

interpersonal skills<g>) if I could wait on surgery, and if so, how

long, he said " At your age, you'll probably live at least another 25

years. If you come to me when you're 80, I won't be able to help

you. " (I'm 65) I have had excellent health all of my life and was

blindsided by this issue.

I'm at a total loss as to what to do now. I've read everything on line

about my problems and back surgery. I've read all of the post 2001

books in my library on the subject. My GP says to do what the neuro

says. The neurosurgeon is the head of his dept at a well-known

university. He has done these surgeries for years. My " friends " have

told me horror stories. I really want to know why I should have major

intrusive surgery to (maybe) fix something that doesn't hurt. And, I

don't know how to investigate the alternatives.

Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks for listening.

Sharon Hepburn

[Guest guest]

hepburnbs wrote:

My GP says to do what the neuro says.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There is your answer...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Guest guest]

There could also be major advancement in this type of  spinal surgeries just

around the corner. Would not that be an insenitive, the wait and see approach?

Newbie with questions

Hi,

After spinal x-rays and an MRI, a neurosurgeon has recommended a fusion

with titanium hardware for my spondylolesthesis and degenerative disk

disease - L5/s1. This all came to light when I had intermittent

numbness and tingling in my feet. During the period between my x-ray

and the MRI, the GP sent me to PT. My feet stopped tingling. I very

rarely have back pain. When I do, it can be traced to a specific

strenuous activity. When I asked the neurosurgeon (a guy with minus

interpersonal skills<g>) if I could wait on surgery, and if so, how

long, he said " At your age, you'll probably live at least another 25

years. If you come to me when you're 80, I won't be able to help

you. " (I'm 65) I have had excellent health all of my life and was

blindsided by this issue.

I'm at a total loss as to what to do now. I've read everything on line

about my problems and back surgery. I've read all of the post 2001

books in my library on the subject. My GP says to do what the neuro

says. The neurosurgeon is the head of his dept at a well-known

university. He has done these surgeries for years. My " friends " have

told me horror stories. I really want to know why I should have major

intrusive surgery to (maybe) fix something that doesn't hurt. And, I

don't know how to investigate the alternatives.

Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks for listening.

Sharon Hepburn

[Guest guest]

To those of you who are RN's......Can you treat a cervical herniated

disc conservatively and not cause further nerve damage? If the

tingling in my hand is intermittent, (meaning off & on each day, but

maybe not as consistent as previous) as well as the arm pain being no

worse or leaning toward less painful than a month ago.....can I

continue the conservation route and not worry about doing any further

damage?

My dr already has told me he can't guarantee the back pain will

improve with the microdisectomy. I'm concerned that (as with any

surgery) I'll have additional symptoms than when I went in????

Several yrs ago my dr told me my gallbladder was filled with stones

and would cause me problems. I didn't question it, I had surgery.

The surgery left me with the dumping syndrome (which I previously

wasn't bothered with).

RN's, your ideas on continuing treating the disc conservatively with

exercise, etc ?

Thanks,

Ang

>

> Sharon,

>

> YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT.......dont fix what aint broken. If

your car

> drove well and your mechanic said you needed a new engine...would

you get

> one. Many people have horrible MRIs but have no back pain...... if

it is an

> episodic thing (the pain) I would treat it conservatively as you

are doing.

>

> Deb RN

>

>

>

> From: spinal problems

> [mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of

hepburnbs

> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:07 PM

> spinal problems

> Subject: Newbie with questions

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> After spinal x-rays and an MRI, a neurosurgeon has recommended a

fusion

> with titanium hardware for my spondylolesthesis and degenerative

disk

> disease - L5/s1. This all came to light when I had intermittent

> numbness and tingling in my feet. During the period between my x-

ray

> and the MRI, the GP sent me to PT. My feet stopped tingling. I very

> rarely have back pain. When I do, it can be traced to a specific

> strenuous activity. When I asked the neurosurgeon (a guy with minus

> interpersonal skills<g>) if I could wait on surgery, and if so, how

> long, he said " At your age, you'll probably live at least another

25

> years. If you come to me when you're 80, I won't be able to help

> you. " (I'm 65) I have had excellent health all of my life and was

> blindsided by this issue.

>

> I'm at a total loss as to what to do now. I've read everything on

line

> about my problems and back surgery. I've read all of the post 2001

> books in my library on the subject. My GP says to do what the neuro

> says. The neurosurgeon is the head of his dept at a well-known

> university. He has done these surgeries for years. My " friends "

have

> told me horror stories. I really want to know why I should have

major

> intrusive surgery to (maybe) fix something that doesn't hurt. And,

I

> don't know how to investigate the alternatives.

>

> Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks for listening.

> Sharon Hepburn

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I appreciate your questions, but this is not my area of experience. In 30

years, I have done a lot in nursing but not orthopedics or neuro. I am

learning myself. I had asked re: getting a calcification in a muscle to

resolve enough for PT to be successful. I had also asked re: when do you

know you need surgery versus when can you get by with less? I need to ask

if anyone has ever had thoracic outlet syndrome related to tight cervical

muscles as well.

I have not always had positive experiences with orthopods, but will be

seeing a spinal OS in with a group of neurosurgeons. I am nervous about my

appointment. I find some orthopods can be very overbearing, hardened and

ignore their patients. (Mark this up to being 13 in bed with a fractured

pelvis with one of the gruffest doctors in the business, plus nursing

experience the few times I had to work orthopedics.) This is one reason I

would like to have a way to gauge my symptoms to what others have

experienced/felt so I would have an idea of what recommendations I might

hear. I have found little re: changing a long term calcified muscles on the

internet. I felt doing this, I would know whether to blindly accept

whatever the OS says or if I need to request to try something different.

The only advice I have for you is to ask your doctor how long you can

postpone surgery. I do know there is a point in time where you have it done

or you have gone too long/far for anything to work. Personally, I would

lean towards being conservative if you can stand the symptoms. There comes

a point when it interferes with life too much and then you have to ask what

are the odds it can work.

Vickie

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:59 PM, missygal1970 <angie360@...> wrote:

> To those of you who are RN's......Can you treat a cervical herniated

> disc conservatively and not cause further nerve damage? If the

> tingling in my hand is intermittent, (meaning off & on each day, but

> maybe not as consistent as previous) as well as the arm pain being no

> worse or leaning toward less painful than a month ago.....can I

> continue the conservation route and not worry about doing any further

> damage?

>

> My dr already has told me he can't guarantee the back pain will

> improve with the microdisectomy. I'm concerned that (as with any

> surgery) I'll have additional symptoms than when I went in????

> Several yrs ago my dr told me my gallbladder was filled with stones

> and would cause me problems. I didn't question it, I had surgery.

> The surgery left me with the dumping syndrome (which I previously

> wasn't bothered with).

>

> RN's, your ideas on continuing treating the disc conservatively with

> exercise, etc ?

>

> Thanks,

> Ang

>

>

> >

> > Sharon,

> >

> > YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT.......dont fix what aint broken. If

> your car

> > drove well and your mechanic said you needed a new engine...would

> you get

> > one. Many people have horrible MRIs but have no back pain...... if

> it is an

> > episodic thing (the pain) I would treat it conservatively as you

> are doing.

> >

> > Deb RN

> >

> >

> >

> > From:

spinal problems <spinal problems%40gro\

ups.com>

> >

[mailto:spinal problems <spinal problems%40\

>]

> On Behalf Of

> hepburnbs

> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:07 PM

> > To:

spinal problems <spinal problems%40gro\

ups.com>

> > Subject: Newbie with questions

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > After spinal x-rays and an MRI, a neurosurgeon has recommended a

> fusion

> > with titanium hardware for my spondylolesthesis and degenerative

> disk

> > disease - L5/s1. This all came to light when I had intermittent

> > numbness and tingling in my feet. During the period between my x-

> ray

> > and the MRI, the GP sent me to PT. My feet stopped tingling. I very

> > rarely have back pain. When I do, it can be traced to a specific

> > strenuous activity. When I asked the neurosurgeon (a guy with minus

> > interpersonal skills<g>) if I could wait on surgery, and if so, how

> > long, he said " At your age, you'll probably live at least another

> 25

> > years. If you come to me when you're 80, I won't be able to help

> > you. " (I'm 65) I have had excellent health all of my life and was

> > blindsided by this issue.

> >

> > I'm at a total loss as to what to do now. I've read everything on

> line

> > about my problems and back surgery. I've read all of the post 2001

> > books in my library on the subject. My GP says to do what the neuro

> > says. The neurosurgeon is the head of his dept at a well-known

> > university. He has done these surgeries for years. My " friends "

> have

> > told me horror stories. I really want to know why I should have

> major

> > intrusive surgery to (maybe) fix something that doesn't hurt. And,

> I

> > don't know how to investigate the alternatives.

> >

> > Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks for listening.

> > Sharon Hepburn

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Treat conservatively as long as you are not having major neuro symptoms

such as loss of bladder and bowel control and loss of balance and inability

to walk.......so the answer is YES if the symptoms are lessening it sounds

as though it is betting better.

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of

missygal1970

Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:59 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Newbie with questions

To those of you who are RN's......Can you treat a cervical herniated

disc conservatively and not cause further nerve damage? If the

tingling in my hand is intermittent, (meaning off & on each day, but

maybe not as consistent as previous) as well as the arm pain being no

worse or leaning toward less painful than a month ago.....can I

continue the conservation route and not worry about doing any further

damage?

My dr already has told me he can't guarantee the back pain will

improve with the microdisectomy. I'm concerned that (as with any

surgery) I'll have additional symptoms than when I went in????

Several yrs ago my dr told me my gallbladder was filled with stones

and would cause me problems. I didn't question it, I had surgery.

The surgery left me with the dumping syndrome (which I previously

wasn't bothered with).

RN's, your ideas on continuing treating the disc conservatively with

exercise, etc ?

Thanks,

Ang

>

> Sharon,

>

> YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT.......dont fix what aint broken. If

your car

> drove well and your mechanic said you needed a new engine...would

you get

> one. Many people have horrible MRIs but have no back pain...... if

it is an

> episodic thing (the pain) I would treat it conservatively as you

are doing.

>

> Deb RN

>

>

>

> From: spinal problems

<mailto:spinal problems%40>

> [mailto:spinal problems

<mailto:spinal problems%40> ] On Behalf Of

hepburnbs

> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:07 PM

> spinal problems

<mailto:spinal problems%40>

> Subject: Newbie with questions

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> After spinal x-rays and an MRI, a neurosurgeon has recommended a

fusion

> with titanium hardware for my spondylolesthesis and degenerative

disk

> disease - L5/s1. This all came to light when I had intermittent

> numbness and tingling in my feet. During the period between my x-

ray

> and the MRI, the GP sent me to PT. My feet stopped tingling. I very

> rarely have back pain. When I do, it can be traced to a specific

> strenuous activity. When I asked the neurosurgeon (a guy with minus

> interpersonal skills<g>) if I could wait on surgery, and if so, how

> long, he said " At your age, you'll probably live at least another

25

> years. If you come to me when you're 80, I won't be able to help

> you. " (I'm 65) I have had excellent health all of my life and was

> blindsided by this issue.

>

> I'm at a total loss as to what to do now. I've read everything on

line

> about my problems and back surgery. I've read all of the post 2001

> books in my library on the subject. My GP says to do what the neuro

> says. The neurosurgeon is the head of his dept at a well-known

> university. He has done these surgeries for years. My " friends "

have

> told me horror stories. I really want to know why I should have

major

> intrusive surgery to (maybe) fix something that doesn't hurt. And,

I

> don't know how to investigate the alternatives.

>

> Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks for listening.

> Sharon Hepburn

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Read my posting of last weekend. I am recovered from a herniated disc

without surgery, and even without medical care. Tumpliner

>

> To those of you who are RN's......Can you treat a cervical

herniated

> disc conservatively and not cause further nerve damage? If the

> tingling in my hand is intermittent, (meaning off & on each day,

but

> maybe not as consistent as previous) as well as the arm pain being

no

> worse or leaning toward less painful than a month ago.....can I

> continue the conservation route and not worry about doing any

further

> damage?

>

> My dr already has told me he can't guarantee the back pain will

> improve with the microdisectomy. I'm concerned that (as with any

> surgery) I'll have additional symptoms than when I went in????

> Several yrs ago my dr told me my gallbladder was filled with stones

> and would cause me problems. I didn't question it, I had surgery.

> The surgery left me with the dumping syndrome (which I previously

> wasn't bothered with).

>

> RN's, your ideas on continuing treating the disc conservatively

with

> exercise, etc ?

>

> Thanks,

> Ang

>

>

> >

> > Sharon,

> >

> > YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT.......dont fix what aint broken. If

> your car

> > drove well and your mechanic said you needed a new engine...would

> you get

> > one. Many people have horrible MRIs but have no back pain......

if

> it is an

> > episodic thing (the pain) I would treat it conservatively as you

> are doing.

> >

> > Deb RN

> >

> >

> >

> > From: spinal problems

> <mailto:spinal problems%40>

> > [mailto:spinal problems

> <mailto:spinal problems%40> ] On Behalf

Of

> hepburnbs

> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:07 PM

> > spinal problems

> <mailto:spinal problems%40>

> > Subject: Newbie with questions

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > After spinal x-rays and an MRI, a neurosurgeon has recommended a

> fusion

> > with titanium hardware for my spondylolesthesis and degenerative

> disk

> > disease - L5/s1. This all came to light when I had intermittent

> > numbness and tingling in my feet. During the period between my x-

> ray

> > and the MRI, the GP sent me to PT. My feet stopped tingling. I

very

> > rarely have back pain. When I do, it can be traced to a specific

> > strenuous activity. When I asked the neurosurgeon (a guy with

minus

> > interpersonal skills<g>) if I could wait on surgery, and if so,

how

> > long, he said " At your age, you'll probably live at least another

> 25

> > years. If you come to me when you're 80, I won't be able to help

> > you. " (I'm 65) I have had excellent health all of my life and was

> > blindsided by this issue.

> >

> > I'm at a total loss as to what to do now. I've read everything on

> line

> > about my problems and back surgery. I've read all of the post

2001

> > books in my library on the subject. My GP says to do what the

neuro

> > says. The neurosurgeon is the head of his dept at a well-known

> > university. He has done these surgeries for years. My " friends "

> have

> > told me horror stories. I really want to know why I should have

> major

> > intrusive surgery to (maybe) fix something that doesn't hurt.

And,

> I

> > don't know how to investigate the alternatives.

> >

> > Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks for listening.

> > Sharon Hepburn

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

I agree with the RN... I had many episodes of back pain from

digeneritive disk at L5-S1 and had fusion. I am worse off now with

chronic daily low back pain that has changed my way of life big

time... The only thing I would be concerend with is to get that

numbness and tignling thing looked at further as more serious issues

and damage could accure if you don't.

Steve

>

> Sharon,

>

> YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT.......dont fix what aint broken. If

your car

> drove well and your mechanic said you needed a new engine...would

you get

> one. Many people have horrible MRIs but have no back pain...... if

it is an

> episodic thing (the pain) I would treat it conservatively as you

are doing.

>

> Deb RN

>

>

>

> From: spinal problems

> [mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of

hepburnbs

> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:07 PM

> spinal problems

> Subject: Newbie with questions

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> After spinal x-rays and an MRI, a neurosurgeon has recommended a

fusion

> with titanium hardware for my spondylolesthesis and degenerative

disk

> disease - L5/s1. This all came to light when I had intermittent

> numbness and tingling in my feet. During the period between my x-

ray

> and the MRI, the GP sent me to PT. My feet stopped tingling. I very

> rarely have back pain. When I do, it can be traced to a specific

> strenuous activity. When I asked the neurosurgeon (a guy with minus

> interpersonal skills<g>) if I could wait on surgery, and if so, how

> long, he said " At your age, you'll probably live at least another

25

> years. If you come to me when you're 80, I won't be able to help

> you. " (I'm 65) I have had excellent health all of my life and was

> blindsided by this issue.

>

> I'm at a total loss as to what to do now. I've read everything on

line

> about my problems and back surgery. I've read all of the post 2001

> books in my library on the subject. My GP says to do what the neuro

> says. The neurosurgeon is the head of his dept at a well-known

> university. He has done these surgeries for years. My " friends "

have

> told me horror stories. I really want to know why I should have

major

> intrusive surgery to (maybe) fix something that doesn't hurt. And,

I

> don't know how to investigate the alternatives.

>

> Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks for listening.

> Sharon Hepburn

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

I would have to second or third that motion also, I have had the lower lumbar

fusion done, I was 50 then, 51 now and I find laying in bed more than 5 hours I

get a really sharp lower back pain and feels like I can't get up and when I do

the pads of my feet are numb.  My PM says my disc have not started drying yet my

neuro recommended I have the surgery done, even though I know a PM is no neuro

surgeon, but I tend to want to believe in the PM, but like you said, you have

lived a very excellent life, and at the age of 80-85, will it make a difference?

Besides Deb is a very good source of information, she has answered my questions

with a 100% report card (A+). If you believe pray for a decision.

I hope you can find the way.

Newbie with questions

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> After spinal x-rays and an MRI, a neurosurgeon has recommended a

fusion

> with titanium hardware for my spondylolesthesis and degenerative

disk

> disease - L5/s1. This all came to light when I had intermittent

> numbness and tingling in my feet. During the period between my x-

ray

> and the MRI, the GP sent me to PT. My feet stopped tingling. I very

> rarely have back pain. When I do, it can be traced to a specific

> strenuous activity. When I asked the neurosurgeon (a guy with minus

> interpersonal skills<g>) if I could wait on surgery, and if so, how

> long, he said " At your age, you'll probably live at least another

25

> years. If you come to me when you're 80, I won't be able to help

> you. " (I'm 65) I have had excellent health all of my life and was

> blindsided by this issue.

>

> I'm at a total loss as to what to do now. I've read everything on

line

> about my problems and back surgery. I've read all of the post 2001

> books in my library on the subject. My GP says to do what the neuro

> says. The neurosurgeon is the head of his dept at a well-known

> university. He has done these surgeries for years. My " friends "

have

> told me horror stories. I really want to know why I should have

major

> intrusive surgery to (maybe) fix something that doesn't hurt. And,

I

> don't know how to investigate the alternatives.

>

> Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks for listening.

> Sharon Hepburn

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the sweet words....they are appreciated..

Deb RN

From: spinal problems

[mailto:spinal problems ] On Behalf Of

Lambert

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:31 PM

spinal problems

Subject: Re: Newbie with questions

Sharon,

I would have to second or third that motion also, I have had the lower

lumbar fusion done, I was 50 then, 51 now and I find laying in bed more than

5 hours I get a really sharp lower back pain and feels like I can't get up

and when I do the pads of my feet are numb. My PM says my disc have not

started drying yet my neuro recommended I have the surgery done, even though

I know a PM is no neuro surgeon, but I tend to want to believe in the PM,

but like you said, you have lived a very excellent life, and at the age of

80-85, will it make a difference?

Besides Deb is a very good source of information, she has answered my

questions with a 100% report card (A+). If you believe pray for a decision.

I hope you can find the way.

Newbie with questions

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> After spinal x-rays and an MRI, a neurosurgeon has recommended a

fusion

> with titanium hardware for my spondylolesthesis and degenerative

disk

> disease - L5/s1. This all came to light when I had intermittent

> numbness and tingling in my feet. During the period between my x-

ray

> and the MRI, the GP sent me to PT. My feet stopped tingling. I very

> rarely have back pain. When I do, it can be traced to a specific

> strenuous activity. When I asked the neurosurgeon (a guy with minus

> interpersonal skills<g>) if I could wait on surgery, and if so, how

> long, he said " At your age, you'll probably live at least another

25

> years. If you come to me when you're 80, I won't be able to help

> you. " (I'm 65) I have had excellent health all of my life and was

> blindsided by this issue.

>

> I'm at a total loss as to what to do now. I've read everything on

line

> about my problems and back surgery. I've read all of the post 2001

> books in my library on the subject. My GP says to do what the neuro

> says. The neurosurgeon is the head of his dept at a well-known

> university. He has done these surgeries for years. My " friends "

have

> told me horror stories. I really want to know why I should have

major

> intrusive surgery to (maybe) fix something that doesn't hurt. And,

I

> don't know how to investigate the alternatives.

>

> Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks for listening.

> Sharon Hepburn

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

for hashimoto and ldn you might want to join this group.

http://www.ahsta.com/Home/tabid/90/Default.aspx

the pil is dissolved after a short time,you will see it.the

important thing is to shake it good before use.

when they talk about gel then it is ready made gel.made in the

pharmacy

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm so happy to have found this list, after finding the ldn site,

my endo agreed to a 2 month trial of ldn for Hashimoto's (and if it

is successful, I'm going to submit myself as a case study for

publication). I did a search for thyroid on messages and didn't

find anything, so I hope somebody can help with my questions.

> I saw that thyroid sufferers should start with 1.5 and move to

4.5, but I don't know how fast to move up. I was also wondering how

long the dissolved tablet solution will retain efficacy in the

refrigerator. I also saw something about a gel, but couldn't find

any instructions for mixing the tablet into a gel (the solution

tastes pretty bad, I'd love a topical gel).

> Thanks for any help you can provide, tonight will be day 3 of 1.5

and I'm really hoping this works!!

>

> Jill

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello,

>

> I am new here.

>

> I have some questions I hope its okay to ask.

>

> 1) Does Candida affect sensory issues such as being sensitive to lights (such

as fatiguing under fluorescent tubes, etc.)

+++Hi Hannah. Welcome to our group. Fluorescent lights deplete the body of

vitamin A, and being sensitive to any lights is due to lack of, or imbalances,

in vitamin A and D and other " good " fats (they all work together). That's why I

recommend taking cod liver oil:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cod2.php

+++The diet and all supplements work together, so ensure you take all of them:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/supp1.php

>

> 2) Where can I find a " safe food " list?

+++All of the lists and articles are on my website, so you can search for

anything - here's the food list:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foodslist.php

>

> 3) If a blood test comes back as false negitive what other tests other than

internal examinations can be done to see if yeast is a feeder? Nurse doesn't

want to do a skin test due to allergies.

+++No tests can be accurate for having candida - see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro3.php

The best to you, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jane.

Yeah cottons' fine. 3-6 volts should be fine, eurovolts or yankeevolts, same

deal.

find your own best pads/device, it's really that simple. stick a wire end into

the damp cloth and apply. if it irritates, add more cloth or lower the volts.

do a few times a day, for 5-10 minutes reverse the pads every 5 min or so.

Place on either side of infected area, outside mouth is fine. If wrapped up in

a cigarette-cigar sized roll you can lay one of them alongside the gumline, too,

just to punish those germs but it may not be needed.

teeth hurt from 3 things, infection, pressure, death of nerve.

infections this should help with, pressure will have to subside, try ice, etc.

nerves dying hurt and don't stop dying just because infection goes away. they

get " offended " and die off, leaving dead junk in the root canal areas. Ask any

dentist or endo-dontist they should be able to confirm this or amplify on my

simple explanations.

Some people do get lasting relief depending what's happening in there.

I have got 3 months relief then the tooth just collapsed and the nerve was

exposed raw. No way electricity will fix that. So, best of luck, and keep us

posted here.

bG

>

> Hello,

>

> A few days ago, I came across this group by reading a post in another group.

>

> What a wonderful group this is!

> I've been reading back in the post and going through the Files section for the

past days, and am very excited about this MicroElectricity concept.

>

> Currently, I'm looking to control a dental problem until I can afford to go to

the torturer and have the work done. The main problem is infections (and pain,

obviously).

>

> I have some questions:

>

> - What kind of device would you recommend that I try to build when it will be

mainly used fot gum issues? - I have seen people refer to other designs than the

Godzilla, but have been unable to locate any schematics or descriptions of these

in the Files or Photos section.

> Is there a website that has these other designs?

>

> - I have watched a lecture by Bob Beck about his electrolizer/zapper, where he

again and again warns about the dangers of consuming garlic, onions and

prescription drugs around using this zapper. Does the same apply to your group's

concept(s)? I have not seen any warnings about it when reading back in the

archives. To a newbie like myself, it seems Beck's system is the same as your

system? What's the difference? Or ARE there realy dangers involved with garlic

etc when using something like the Godzilla? Is there anything you have to avoid

eating/drinking when using your system?

>

> - What about amalgam [mercury] fillings and using MicroElectricity?

> Doesn't sending current through the filling heat up the mercury, which will

have it leech off more mercury fumes than usually and send excess mercury to

your system?

>

> - I see some posts about controlling voltate/current with some sort of a

device/meter. What exactly is this. What is it called and where can one get

this? I'm horribly inept with matters of electronics, so please excuse my

ignorance. Is it important to control the current/voltate? I'm assuming it is,

since many here seem to be using it.

>

> - This is probably a silly question, but is there any difference in the

batteries sold in Europe and America? I'm in Europe, and I think most of you are

in the States. I just want to be sure I'm not going to end up electrocuting

myself by using batteries not suited for the Godzilla (or whichever unit I end

up building).

>

> - Materials for pads. Am I right in thinking that one can also use cotton

instead of sponges for pads? Whatever the material, it just has to be wet,

right?

> I have a sponge phobia (yes, you may laugh). So it would really make things

easier if I could use cotton instead.

>

>

> Thank you for any feedback.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi bG,

Many thanks for your answers.

Could you advise me on the device needed to control current/volts/amps, please?

I understand this is used to send more/less electricity through?

I'd like to get a unit, unless its too expensive.

Thank you.

[Guest guest]

sure, scissors and a knife will do .. you either cut the insulation back on the

wire, exposing more wire to the sponge or cloth, or you snip off some of the

wire to expose less wire. Less=less power, more=more power to ya. This is the

easiest way to do it, or would you rather go to Radio Shack and buy: 100K Ohm

Linear Potentiometer and solder the center and one of the outer terminals into

one of the wires?

Up to you, I personally have all that, and I still use knife and scissors, since

it takes less time and is way cooler.

bG

>

> Hi bG,

>

> Many thanks for your answers.

>

> Could you advise me on the device needed to control current/volts/amps,

please?

>

> I understand this is used to send more/less electricity through?

> I'd like to get a unit, unless its too expensive.

>

>

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

I should explain, and I need to update those darned photos, too. We can simply

take a sponge and stick the end of the wire into a slot in sponge. No forks, no

" electrodes " needed anymore. I have found it does not matter and really the

best is the easiest, fortunately for us all. Just strip the wire about an inch,

and stick into a slot in the edge of the sponge so the bare wire goes in around

the middle of the sponge. Try that using a 6volt battery. If too harsh, remove

and trim back the exposed wire a little and try again. Keep on like that until

you reach a point where it is right..meaning 10 minutes without skin irritation.

Reverse the sponges position on the body every 5 minutes when using, to avoid

electrolysis effects, which can sometimes show up as temporary soreness in

nearby joints we have found. Over 10 minutes is needed to produce the soreness

in many cases reporting in.

bG

> >

> > Hi bG,

> >

> > Many thanks for your answers.

> >

> > Could you advise me on the device needed to control current/volts/amps,

please?

> >

> > I understand this is used to send more/less electricity through?

> > I'd like to get a unit, unless its too expensive.

> >

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, bG.

You cleared up some things for me.

I'm aiming for building an apprentice unit this weekend or next week.

I had to order a 6v battery online, as they were impossible to get where I live.

(prior to this, I had never even heard of 6v batteries - I only know 1.5v & 9v)

Wish me luck!

[Guest guest]

Certainly, good luck!

You can combine 1.5's in a battery holder if they sell those near you. That

also gives you 6 volts (4 batteries) in a smaller sized package, but you have to

find the darned holders which usually sell at Radio Shack or similar electronics

places. Some hardware stores might have them.

bG

>

> Thank you, bG.

>

> You cleared up some things for me.

>

> I'm aiming for building an apprentice unit this weekend or next week.

> I had to order a 6v battery online, as they were impossible to get where I

live. (prior to this, I had never even heard of 6v batteries - I only know 1.5v

& 9v)

>

> Wish me luck!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,I will be sleeved 2/15 and chose the sleeve after initially planning for the band for the following reasons.1) Superior weight loss with sleeve compared to band - this is confirmed in a number of peer-reviewed studies

2) Lower rate of complications - the band has proven to be problematic for many, although there are also folks who have found it to be successful for them. Complications of the band may include adhesions, erosion, slips etc. No thanks.

3) When the greater curvature of the stomach is removed, this affects the level of ghrelin in your system. Ghrelin, which is produced in that part of the stomach that is removed, is a hormone that stimulates hunger. Less ghrelin = less hunger. Although it appears that the body may start to produce some ghrelin after a couple years, this is not in the same amount as in your stomach prior to surgery.

4) Comparable weight loss to RNY, without the risk of malnutrition associated with a malabsorptive procedure.5) Ability to have a more normal diet once reaching maintenance phase6) I know a few people with the band who seem to spend a lot of time spitting up food, have a difficult time eating in general and it just grosses me out. Honestly, I would rather be fat than barfy.

7) The sleeve, once one is recovered from surgery, is finished. No fills, unfills etc etc. My province does not cover the band, so I would be self-paying (alot) for fills forever.Margo margo.nelson@...

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:52 PM, DougG <doug.graham72@...> wrote:

 

Hello all, i am new to this forum and have a few questions, i do not want to seem lazy but i did not have time to search through all the archives etc to answer a couple questions.

i see alot of people are switching from the band to sleeve and i wonder why, do they essentialy not do the same thing? with the pouch you can only eat so much and it is full, with the sleeve, you can only eat so much and it is full, what is the difference, can the sleeve stretch out to the same size as your original stomach, or is it the fact that the pouch with a band leaves the stomach almost empty and with that a hunger, i am planning surgery but i am not sure which one to get, i just dont want the band to not do the job and have to 3-4 years later get the sleeve anyway, FYI, i am a male 37, with a BMI of 56.

Thanx

Doug

[Guest guest]

HI Doug,

I'm pretty new here also, I am getting the sleeve done on Feb 15th and at first

I was leaning toward the Band, but what turned me off were the number of people

with alot of misc problems with it.

What helped me research and make my decision was the following 2 forums:

verticalsleevetalk.com and lapbandtalk.com you can go in and read all of the

different post from the people who who are living with both.

Research as much as you can, and decide what you feel is best for yourself and

your lifestyle.

Good Luck,

>

> Hello all, i am new to this forum and have a few questions, i do not want to

seem lazy but i did not have time to search through all the archives etc to

answer a couple questions.

>

> i see alot of people are switching from the band to sleeve and i wonder why,

do they essentialy not do the same thing? with the pouch you can only eat so

much and it is full, with the sleeve, you can only eat so much and it is full,

what is the difference, can the sleeve stretch out to the same size as your

original stomach, or is it the fact that the pouch with a band leaves the

stomach almost empty and with that a hunger, i am planning surgery but i am not

sure which one to get, i just dont want the band to not do the job and have to

3-4 years later get the sleeve anyway, FYI, i am a male 37, with a BMI of 56.

>

> Thanx

> Doug

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't want to take the chance of the band not doing its job or causing problems. So I decided on the sleeve instead. I know several local folks that have had the sleeve and all are happy. This is from Dr. Aceves. If you are considering Lap Band Surgery you might want to consider Gastric Sleeve Surgery Instead. Proven effective by thousands of patients worldwide. Advantages:No fills or adjustments.No portsNo risk of slippageNo risk of erosionMinimal risk surgery The Gastric Sleeve Surgery is a procedure that induces weight loss by restricting food intake. Currently, the procedure is becoming very, very popular amongst surgeons in specialized centers because of the low risks and the great results that they are getting. With this procedure, approximately 60 to 85 percent of the stomach is removed laparoscopically so that the stomach takes the shape of a tube or "sleeve." With a smaller stomach, patients eat less. The gastric sleeve procedure can be done in about an hour laparoscopically. There is also another benefit: The hormones that control the appetite are created in a portion of the stomach (that is removed), and by taking out that portion of the stomach, the patient's appetite is reduced.Nevertheless, it is important to point out that no obesity surgery is a cure-all, but simply a tool to help patients cut portions and calories.MarilouDr. AcevesVSG~February 5, 2010 On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:52 PM, DougG wrote:Hello all, i am new to this forum and have a few questions, i do not want to seem lazy but i did not have time to search through all the archives etc to answer a couple questions.i see alot of people are switching from the band to sleeve and i wonder why, do they essentialy not do the same thing? with the pouch you can only eat so much and it is full, with the sleeve, you can only eat so much and it is full, what is the difference, can the sleeve stretch out to the same size as your original stomach, or is it the fact that the pouch with a band leaves the stomach almost empty and with that a hunger, i am planning surgery but i am not sure which one to get, i just dont want the band to not do the job and have to 3-4 years later get the sleeve anyway, FYI, i am a male 37, with a BMI of 56.ThanxDoug

[Guest guest]

doug,

I can only speak from personal experience. I had the band placed in Sept of 07. In May of 08 it started causing me problems. The addition of saline would make it too tight. I'd spend a week or two sick and vomiting and struggling and go get an unfill. Wait a few weeks for everything to settle down and do it all again. in June of 2009 I was totally unfilled for the 4th or 5th time and started researching the sleeve again. My body just could not tolerate the band and believe me..it's expensive to keep paying for fills and unfills trying to find the proper restriction. I would have been way ahead financially if I'd have gotten the sleeve in the beginning. On Dec 14 2009 I had revision surgery to remove the lapband and convert to a VSG. I'm totally at peace with that decision. I'm losing steadily now. I don't vomit. I manage to get in all my fluids and proteins. I'm not hungry.....to me...and for me..it's a

miracle. Best wishes in making your personal decision!

tracy

From: DougG <doug.graham72@...>Subject: newbie with questions Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 3:52 PM

Hello all, i am new to this forum and have a few questions, i do not want to seem lazy but i did not have time to search through all the archives etc to answer a couple questions.i see alot of people are switching from the band to sleeve and i wonder why, do they essentialy not do the same thing? with the pouch you can only eat so much and it is full, with the sleeve, you can only eat so much and it is full, what is the difference, can the sleeve stretch out to the same size as your original stomach, or is it the fact that the pouch with a band leaves the stomach almost empty and with that a hunger, i am planning surgery but i am not sure which one to get, i just dont want the band to not do the job and have to 3-4 years later get the sleeve anyway, FYI, i am a male 37, with a BMI of 56.ThanxDoug

[Guest guest]

There is a ton of information on these subjects in this forum. You should

probably spend some time and read back through it. Lots of new people come here

and ask the exact same thing that you're asking, so rather than continually

repeat the same answers, it'd be better for you to research the information just

by reading. I know the questions seem straightforward to you, but the answers

are not. You've got some inaccurate impressions of what a band and a sleeve are

and are not, so please educate yourself and see where the read takes you. If you

can't figure it out after researching, come back again.

>

> Hello all, i am new to this forum and have a few questions, i do not want to

seem lazy but i did not have time to search through all the archives etc to

answer a couple questions.

>

> i see alot of people are switching from the band to sleeve and i wonder why,

do they essentialy not do the same thing? with the pouch you can only eat so

much and it is full, with the sleeve, you can only eat so much and it is full,

what is the difference, can the sleeve stretch out to the same size as your

original stomach, or is it the fact that the pouch with a band leaves the

stomach almost empty and with that a hunger, i am planning surgery but i am not

sure which one to get, i just dont want the band to not do the job and have to

3-4 years later get the sleeve anyway, FYI, i am a male 37, with a BMI of 56.

>

> Thanx

> Doug

>