Re: HIGH CLOSTRIDIA ISSUE

[Guest guest]

You need to do the Vancomycin to get rid of Clostrida. Add in some high qualtity

probiotics to replenish the good stuff while he is on the Vanco. Klaire Labs

makes good probiotics. Give them early in the morning and right before bed to

keep them apart from the Vanco.

Nyzoral and Diflucan are for yeast, not bacteria. Does he have yeast, too?

Glutathione cream and Enhansa are two things that will help him. They are

seperate from the Vancomycin, though, and do diffferent things. Start one at a

time.

>

> My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was diagnosed

with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics:  Vancomycin

&  Metrodizonal (Flagyl). 

>  

> His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I give him

these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the worst

once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

>  

> He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes DMA,

Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He has

speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them and

his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I know

he has some form of a mild PDD.

>  

> CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son antibiotics in

fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut and I that I

might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

>  

> I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &  Difflucan and

they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and because he's

two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral were stronger

and had worst side affects.  Mind you he's had two viral dual ear infections in

his two years.  They said that Nystatin would be the alternate medication they

would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

>  

> Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion cream

and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form of chelation? and how safe is

it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in the New

Year.   I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment because I

hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex " community.....please advise,

what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your little ones have quick

recoveries in the New Year!  Regards, " Bear " desperate father of a sweet two

year old.              

>

[Guest guest]

I am in total aggreement with your DAN doctor. You must heal the gut before

doing anything else. Question does your child have hearing sensativity? Covers

ears to loud noises?

My child has been prescribed two different anti-fungals and we only saw

improovements. However, the first couple of weeks may be difficult due to yeast

die-off. You may see rashes, behavior changes (that will go away), and nasty

bowel movements. Keep charcoal on hand. Give approx. two hours after giving

medicine if you are seeing a bad die off.

We are about to start enhansa over this winter break. However, my child has

done other things to heal the gut for a year. (diet, probiotics, natural and

prescribed anti-fungals, and supplements.) I'm worried and his stool analysis

was pretty good.

I know we feel like we want to do everything we read about right now but I would

go slowly... It sounds like your doctor is on the right track.

Dionne

>

> My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was diagnosed

with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics:  Vancomycin

&  Metrodizonal (Flagyl). 

>  

> His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I give him

these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the worst

once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

>  

> He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes DMA,

Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He has

speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them and

his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I know

he has some form of a mild PDD.

>  

> CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son antibiotics in

fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut and I that I

might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

>  

> I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &  Difflucan and

they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and because he's

two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral were stronger

and had worst side affects.  Mind you he's had two viral dual ear infections in

his two years.  They said that Nystatin would be the alternate medication they

would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

>  

> Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion cream

and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form of chelation? and how safe is

it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in the New

Year.   I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment because I

hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex " community.....please advise,

what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your little ones have quick

recoveries in the New Year!  Regards, " Bear " desperate father of a sweet two

year old.              

>

[Guest guest]

I don't mean to rock the boat here, but the idea of healing the gut before

taking care of metals is a bit of an oxymoron. I say this because it's the

metals that CAUSE the gut issues in the first place. If you wait until the gut

is healed to deal with metals, you will be chasing your tail, literally. (wink)

Google Andy Cutler and his chelation protocol.

Our son is 4 and we have been treating for a year and three months. We have

seen AMAZING gains, he is a typical boy with some emotional outbursts on bad

days, other than that, no one would notice anything different about him.

Granted, he was never diagnosed as fully autistic, but probably Asperger's with

a tendancy towards OCD.

We started with the GFCF diet which seemed to only get us so far, so we then did

an IgG panel to look for other food sensitivities, found 23 and removed them

completely, found him to have issues with grains, reduced those too. Then we

had a hair test done to look for heavy metals, confirmed probable mercury

toxicity. We started chelation Andy Cutler style and have been through 16

rounds so far. We ran an OAT test and found elevated yeast, but much higher

Clostridia. We treated with two courses of double pulsed Flagyl accompanied by

Nystatin and Diflucan, since yeast rises as the bacteria dies off, they feed

each other so you MUST have a good yeast protocol in place when treating for

Clostridia. We had recurrent bouts of the Clostridia and finally added in the

Biofilm Protocol which has been our major aid in keeping the bacteria down (we

were seeing signs of it rising again just before starting the biofilm), although

we have seen yeast flare a bit and are working on that now. We also treat for

viruses at the same time. Ultimately, it's the chelation that is going to get

things in order, but everything else keeps him maintained symptom free in the

meantime. It keeps him comfortable and us happy. I say go for it all, time is

of the essence. You don't have time to chase your tail... Feel free to contact

me by e-mail, if you have any other questions about our treatment choices.

Good luck,

>

> My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was diagnosed

with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics:  Vancomycin

&  Metrodizonal (Flagyl). 

>  

> His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I give him

these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the worst

once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

>  

> He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes DMA,

Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He has

speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them and

his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I know

he has some form of a mild PDD.

>  

> CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son antibiotics in

fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut and I that I

might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

>  

> I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &  Difflucan and

they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and because he's

two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral were stronger

and had worst side affects.  Mind you he's had two viral dual ear infections in

his two years.  They said that Nystatin would be the alternate medication they

would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

>  

> Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion cream

and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form of chelation? and how safe is

it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in the New

Year.   I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment because I

hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex " community.....please advise,

what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your little ones have quick

recoveries in the New Year!  Regards, " Bear " desperate father of a sweet two

year old.              

>

[Guest guest]

In my experience, a lot of the DAN! treatments lead to leaky gut rather than

away from it (heavy metal challenge tests, GFCF diet recommendation without

avoidance of packaged foods/soy, multivitamins with sweetners/flavors they

recommend - Kirkman labs especially, probiotics and yeast treatment supplements

that many kids are intolerant of)...

Sorry, but it's the truth. Completely agree with . If you think foods

are affecting your child, just take out all gluten, casein, and soy, cook food

at home with whole food ingredients if possible, and you can mess with all the

other stuff while you chelate. Chelation is the #1 rated ARI treatment and

gives results, there is no reason to wait. NOTHING else is going to fix the

deranged mineral transport that causes all the other problems.

> >

> > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was diagnosed

with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics:  Vancomycin

&  Metrodizonal (Flagyl). 

> >  

> > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I give

him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the worst

once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

> >  

> > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes DMA,

Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He has

speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them and

his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I know

he has some form of a mild PDD.

> >  

> > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son antibiotics in

fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut and I that I

might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> >  

> > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &  Difflucan

and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and because

he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral were

stronger and had worst side affects.  Mind you he's had two viral dual ear

infections in his two years.  They said that Nystatin would be the alternate

medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> >  

> > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form of chelation? and how

safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in

the New Year.   I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment

because I hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex "

community.....please advise, what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may

your little ones have quick recoveries in the New Year!  Regards, " Bear "

desperate father of a sweet two year old.              

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In my experience, a lot of the DAN! treatments lead to leaky gut rather than

away from it (heavy metal challenge tests, GFCF diet recommendation without

avoidance of packaged foods/soy, multivitamins with sweetners/flavors they

recommend - Kirkman labs especially, probiotics and yeast treatment supplements

that many kids are intolerant of)...

Sorry, but it's the truth. Completely agree with . If you think foods

are affecting your child, just take out all gluten, casein, and soy, cook food

at home with whole food ingredients if possible, and you can mess with all the

other stuff while you chelate. Chelation is the #1 rated ARI treatment and

gives results, there is no reason to wait. NOTHING else is going to fix the

deranged mineral transport that causes all the other problems.

> >

> > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was diagnosed

with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics:  Vancomycin

&  Metrodizonal (Flagyl). 

> >  

> > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I give

him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the worst

once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

> >  

> > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes DMA,

Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He has

speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them and

his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I know

he has some form of a mild PDD.

> >  

> > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son antibiotics in

fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut and I that I

might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> >  

> > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &  Difflucan

and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and because

he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral were

stronger and had worst side affects.  Mind you he's had two viral dual ear

infections in his two years.  They said that Nystatin would be the alternate

medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> >  

> > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form of chelation? and how

safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in

the New Year.   I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment

because I hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex "

community.....please advise, what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may

your little ones have quick recoveries in the New Year!  Regards, " Bear "

desperate father of a sweet two year old.              

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Irma, I think rice pastas, rice, potatoes and beans are fine and most kids

tolerate those okay. Yes, protein and veggies, fruits, herbs and spices,

preferably no sugar - honey or maple syrup instead. My son did low dose oral

chelation using Andy Cutler's protocol. He was on ALA for about a year and then

we recently started DMSA alone. I have not tested the metals in his body since

last year. He has moderately high lead, mercury, aluminum, arsenic.

My father-in-law gets me a subscription of Food and Wine magazine every year for

my birthday and that is actually a great magazine for ideas. Sometimes the

recipes have to be altered a bit to exclude gluten/casein, but they are sooo

good. I also have The Kid-Friendly ADHD and Autism Cookbook, which I would

highly recommend. It has lunch box meal planning and everything, very creative

stuff - even how to make mayonaise.

The best thing is that my son is getting much less reactive too accidental

exposure to no-no foods and I believe chelation is to thank for that.

Take care,

Liz

> > >

> > > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was diagnosed

with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics:  Vancomycin

&  Metrodizonal  (Flagyl). 

> > >  

> > > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I give

him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the worst

once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

> > >  

> > > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes DMA,

Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He has

speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them and

his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I

know he has some form of a mild PDD.

> > >  

> > > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son

antibiotics in fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut

and I that I might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> > >  

> > > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral

&  Difflucan and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his

tests and because he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan

& Nizoral were stronger and had worst side affects.  Mind you he's had two

viral dual ear infections in his two years.  They said that Nystatin would be

the alternate medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> > >  

> > > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form of chelation? and

how safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal

spray in the New Year.   I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic

treatment because I hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex "

community... ..please advise, what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may

your little ones have quick recoveries in the New Year!  Regards, " Bear "

desperate father of a sweet two year old.              

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My son is 16, well on the way to recovery, and we did our first chelation when

he was 7. My comments below, with **...

> >

> > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was diagnosed

with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics:  Vancomycin

&  Metrodizonal (Flagyl). 

> >  

> > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I give

him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the worst

once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

> >  

** The bigger worry is that he might have big die off taking these drugs, which

might be hard, and that his gut would be empty and vulnerable after the

treatment, allowing new bad guys to move in. If you do decide to do the drugs,

have a back up plan in place the minute you stop -- some natural antifungals

such as olive leaf, biocidin, etc. rotated every few days would be a great way

to do this, and very safe for long term, no risk of hurting him. If it was me,

with such a little guy, I might just do the rotating antifungal herbs now, and

see if you can clear up the gut that way. It takes longer, but it's gentler and

it works. I know it's possible, because I've done it.

> > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes DMA,

Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He has

speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them and

his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I know

he has some form of a mild PDD.

> >  

> > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son antibiotics in

fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut and I that I

might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> >  

** I remember when this was a huge fear for me, too. Very scary.

> > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &  Difflucan

and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and because

he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral were

stronger and had worst side affects.  Mind you he's had two viral dual ear

infections in his two years.  They said that Nystatin would be the alternate

medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> >  

> > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form of chelation? and how

safe is it?

**Glutathione is one of the substances our bodies normally use to detoxify

themselves, and something that is very low in autistic kids. It's a good thing,

but should be started slow. It is not effective as a pill, orally, but works

well in liposomal form (oral liquid) or as an IV.

**Enhansa is basically circumin. It seems to help some kids, but it inhibits

phenol sulfur transferase, which is an important detoxification enzyme.

Personally, I would not use it until after the child is mostly done detoxifying

heavy metals, to avoid slowing the process.

 I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in the New

Year.   I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment because I

hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex " community.....please advise,

what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your little ones have quick

recoveries in the New Year!  Regards, " Bear " desperate father of a sweet two

year old.              

> >

>

Feel free to ask me more questions at terri@...

Terri

[Guest guest]

My son is 16, well on the way to recovery, and we did our first chelation when

he was 7. My comments below, with **...

> >

> > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was diagnosed

with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics:  Vancomycin

&  Metrodizonal (Flagyl). 

> >  

> > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I give

him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the worst

once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

> >  

** The bigger worry is that he might have big die off taking these drugs, which

might be hard, and that his gut would be empty and vulnerable after the

treatment, allowing new bad guys to move in. If you do decide to do the drugs,

have a back up plan in place the minute you stop -- some natural antifungals

such as olive leaf, biocidin, etc. rotated every few days would be a great way

to do this, and very safe for long term, no risk of hurting him. If it was me,

with such a little guy, I might just do the rotating antifungal herbs now, and

see if you can clear up the gut that way. It takes longer, but it's gentler and

it works. I know it's possible, because I've done it.

> > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes DMA,

Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He has

speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them and

his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I know

he has some form of a mild PDD.

> >  

> > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son antibiotics in

fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut and I that I

might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> >  

** I remember when this was a huge fear for me, too. Very scary.

> > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &  Difflucan

and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and because

he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral were

stronger and had worst side affects.  Mind you he's had two viral dual ear

infections in his two years.  They said that Nystatin would be the alternate

medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> >  

> > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form of chelation? and how

safe is it?

**Glutathione is one of the substances our bodies normally use to detoxify

themselves, and something that is very low in autistic kids. It's a good thing,

but should be started slow. It is not effective as a pill, orally, but works

well in liposomal form (oral liquid) or as an IV.

**Enhansa is basically circumin. It seems to help some kids, but it inhibits

phenol sulfur transferase, which is an important detoxification enzyme.

Personally, I would not use it until after the child is mostly done detoxifying

heavy metals, to avoid slowing the process.

 I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in the New

Year.   I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment because I

hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex " community.....please advise,

what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your little ones have quick

recoveries in the New Year!  Regards, " Bear " desperate father of a sweet two

year old.              

> >

>

Feel free to ask me more questions at terri@...

Terri

[Guest guest]

My son is 16, well on the way to recovery, and we did our first chelation when

he was 7. My comments below, with **...

> >

> > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was diagnosed

with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics:  Vancomycin

&  Metrodizonal (Flagyl). 

> >  

> > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I give

him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the worst

once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

> >  

** The bigger worry is that he might have big die off taking these drugs, which

might be hard, and that his gut would be empty and vulnerable after the

treatment, allowing new bad guys to move in. If you do decide to do the drugs,

have a back up plan in place the minute you stop -- some natural antifungals

such as olive leaf, biocidin, etc. rotated every few days would be a great way

to do this, and very safe for long term, no risk of hurting him. If it was me,

with such a little guy, I might just do the rotating antifungal herbs now, and

see if you can clear up the gut that way. It takes longer, but it's gentler and

it works. I know it's possible, because I've done it.

> > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes DMA,

Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He has

speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them and

his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I know

he has some form of a mild PDD.

> >  

> > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son antibiotics in

fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut and I that I

might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> >  

** I remember when this was a huge fear for me, too. Very scary.

> > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &  Difflucan

and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and because

he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral were

stronger and had worst side affects.  Mind you he's had two viral dual ear

infections in his two years.  They said that Nystatin would be the alternate

medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> >  

> > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form of chelation? and how

safe is it?

**Glutathione is one of the substances our bodies normally use to detoxify

themselves, and something that is very low in autistic kids. It's a good thing,

but should be started slow. It is not effective as a pill, orally, but works

well in liposomal form (oral liquid) or as an IV.

**Enhansa is basically circumin. It seems to help some kids, but it inhibits

phenol sulfur transferase, which is an important detoxification enzyme.

Personally, I would not use it until after the child is mostly done detoxifying

heavy metals, to avoid slowing the process.

 I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in the New

Year.   I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment because I

hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex " community.....please advise,

what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your little ones have quick

recoveries in the New Year!  Regards, " Bear " desperate father of a sweet two

year old.              

> >

>

Feel free to ask me more questions at terri@...

Terri

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, because the public is made to be scared of chelation, the MOST

effective treatment, it is a LAST RESORT for parents and many of them wish they

would have started sooner because IT WORKS.

> > >

> > > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was

diagnosed with Clostridia. His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics: Vancomycin

& Metrodizonal (Flagyl).

> > >

> > > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I

give him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the

worst once I take him off of the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes

DMA, Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He

has speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them

and his eye contact could be better. Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I

know he has some form of a mild PDD.

> > >

> > > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son

antibiotics in fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut

and I that I might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> > >

> > > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &

Difflucan and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and

because he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral

were stronger and had worst side affects. Mind you he's had two viral dual ear

infections in his two years. They said that Nystatin would be the alternate

medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him. Is this a form of chelation? and how

safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in

the New Year. I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment

because I hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex "

community.....please advise, what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your

little ones have quick recoveries in the New Year! Regards, " Bear " desperate

father of a sweet two year old.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, because the public is made to be scared of chelation, the MOST

effective treatment, it is a LAST RESORT for parents and many of them wish they

would have started sooner because IT WORKS.

> > >

> > > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was

diagnosed with Clostridia. His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics: Vancomycin

& Metrodizonal (Flagyl).

> > >

> > > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I

give him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the

worst once I take him off of the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes

DMA, Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He

has speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them

and his eye contact could be better. Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I

know he has some form of a mild PDD.

> > >

> > > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son

antibiotics in fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut

and I that I might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> > >

> > > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &

Difflucan and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and

because he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral

were stronger and had worst side affects. Mind you he's had two viral dual ear

infections in his two years. They said that Nystatin would be the alternate

medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him. Is this a form of chelation? and how

safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in

the New Year. I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment

because I hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex "

community.....please advise, what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your

little ones have quick recoveries in the New Year! Regards, " Bear " desperate

father of a sweet two year old.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And we started it very early on, within 6 months of starting biomed. Things are

progressing very fast for us. Luckily, our son is a major responder and I am

grateful for that, but without all the treatments occurring at the same time, I

don't think we would have had such great success and would have just dragged

this out longer.

> > >

> > > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was

diagnosed with Clostridia. His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics: Vancomycin

& Metrodizonal (Flagyl).

> > >

> > > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I

give him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the

worst once I take him off of the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes

DMA, Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He

has speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them

and his eye contact could be better. Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I

know he has some form of a mild PDD.

> > >

> > > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son

antibiotics in fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut

and I that I might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> > >

> > > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &

Difflucan and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and

because he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral

were stronger and had worst side affects. Mind you he's had two viral dual ear

infections in his two years. They said that Nystatin would be the alternate

medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him. Is this a form of chelation? and how

safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in

the New Year. I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment

because I hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex "

community.....please advise, what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your

little ones have quick recoveries in the New Year! Regards, " Bear " desperate

father of a sweet two year old.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And we started it very early on, within 6 months of starting biomed. Things are

progressing very fast for us. Luckily, our son is a major responder and I am

grateful for that, but without all the treatments occurring at the same time, I

don't think we would have had such great success and would have just dragged

this out longer.

> > >

> > > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was

diagnosed with Clostridia. His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics: Vancomycin

& Metrodizonal (Flagyl).

> > >

> > > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I

give him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the

worst once I take him off of the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes

DMA, Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He

has speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them

and his eye contact could be better. Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I

know he has some form of a mild PDD.

> > >

> > > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son

antibiotics in fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut

and I that I might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> > >

> > > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &

Difflucan and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and

because he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral

were stronger and had worst side affects. Mind you he's had two viral dual ear

infections in his two years. They said that Nystatin would be the alternate

medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him. Is this a form of chelation? and how

safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in

the New Year. I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment

because I hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex "

community.....please advise, what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your

little ones have quick recoveries in the New Year! Regards, " Bear " desperate

father of a sweet two year old.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And we started it very early on, within 6 months of starting biomed. Things are

progressing very fast for us. Luckily, our son is a major responder and I am

grateful for that, but without all the treatments occurring at the same time, I

don't think we would have had such great success and would have just dragged

this out longer.

> > >

> > > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was

diagnosed with Clostridia. His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics: Vancomycin

& Metrodizonal (Flagyl).

> > >

> > > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I

give him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the

worst once I take him off of the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes

DMA, Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He

has speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them

and his eye contact could be better. Hasn't been formally diagnosed although I

know he has some form of a mild PDD.

> > >

> > > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son

antibiotics in fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his gut

and I that I might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> > >

> > > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral &

Difflucan and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his tests and

because he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that Difflucan & Nizoral

were stronger and had worst side affects. Mind you he's had two viral dual ear

infections in his two years. They said that Nystatin would be the alternate

medication they would prescribe instead of the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him. Is this a form of chelation? and how

safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and hopefully B12 nasal spray in

the New Year. I'm so confused, I haven't started the antibiotic treatment

because I hope to get a second opinion from the " mb12 valtrex "

community.....please advise, what should I do, pls. help. Thank you and may your

little ones have quick recoveries in the New Year! Regards, " Bear " desperate

father of a sweet two year old.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What is great about Andy's chelation protocol is that it's not risky like many

of the DAN! protocols out there. Don't get me wrong, seeing a DAN! was one of

the best things we did for our son, it got us on the right path and still proves

to be helpful, but as with everything else, there are limits. I take full

responsibility for the health of my children and I follow no one blindly. I

would never follow my DAN! doctor's advice for chelation, ever. I just don't

want to risk the damages of strong chelation. It's Russian Roulette.

Honey is a double-edge sword. It contains wonderful beneficial bacteria,

especially manuka honey, but it's a sweetener and yeast like sweeteners. Stevia

is fabulous, it's an herb. Don't get the flavored drops, just the all natural

stevia powder. You can also try xylitol, it fights bacteria as well (in the

mouth and ears), but some people have issues with loose stool from it, so you

just have to see how it effects your child. It works well for us, we don't use

sweeteners much. It works and tastes just like sugar, so for baking, it's

great! I use it in my coffee too.

For our heavy metals, I did what Dr. Andy Cutler recommends which is the hair

test. It's cheap and easy. Our son had little to no mercury being excreted,

which means he is holding onto it, hence....mercury toxicity. But aside from

that, you also look for deranged mineral transport and Andy Cutler's protocol

addresses that. There is a Yahoo group for Andy's protocol called

frequent_dose_chelation. This is also a very helpful link, chock full of info

for you on the Cutler protocol - http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

For your salt, I would highly recommend pink himalayan sea salt. It contains

all the same trace minerals that are in our body, it's highly healing! Not to

mention, it tastes great and you will never go back once you use it!

> > > >

> > > > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was

diagnosed with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics: 

Vancomycin &  Metrodizonal  (Flagyl). 

> > > >  

> > > > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I

give him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the

worst once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

> > > >  

> > > > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes

DMA, Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He

has speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them

and his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although

I know he has some form of a mild PDD.

> > > >  

> > > > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son

antibiotics in fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his

gut and I that I might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> > > >  

> > > > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral

&  Difflucan and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his

tests and because he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that

Difflucan & Nizoral were stronger and had worst side affects.  Mind you

he's had two viral dual ear infections in his two years.  They said that

Nystatin would be the alternate medication they would prescribe instead of

the antibiotics.

> > > >  

> > > > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form

of chelation? and how safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and

hopefully B12 nasal spray in the New Year.   I'm so confused, I

haven't started the antibiotic treatment because I hope to get a second opinion

from the " mb12 valtrex " community... ..please advise, what should I do, pls.

help. Thank you and may your little ones have quick recoveries in the

New Year!  Regards, " Bear " desperate father of a sweet two year

old.              

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What is great about Andy's chelation protocol is that it's not risky like many

of the DAN! protocols out there. Don't get me wrong, seeing a DAN! was one of

the best things we did for our son, it got us on the right path and still proves

to be helpful, but as with everything else, there are limits. I take full

responsibility for the health of my children and I follow no one blindly. I

would never follow my DAN! doctor's advice for chelation, ever. I just don't

want to risk the damages of strong chelation. It's Russian Roulette.

Honey is a double-edge sword. It contains wonderful beneficial bacteria,

especially manuka honey, but it's a sweetener and yeast like sweeteners. Stevia

is fabulous, it's an herb. Don't get the flavored drops, just the all natural

stevia powder. You can also try xylitol, it fights bacteria as well (in the

mouth and ears), but some people have issues with loose stool from it, so you

just have to see how it effects your child. It works well for us, we don't use

sweeteners much. It works and tastes just like sugar, so for baking, it's

great! I use it in my coffee too.

For our heavy metals, I did what Dr. Andy Cutler recommends which is the hair

test. It's cheap and easy. Our son had little to no mercury being excreted,

which means he is holding onto it, hence....mercury toxicity. But aside from

that, you also look for deranged mineral transport and Andy Cutler's protocol

addresses that. There is a Yahoo group for Andy's protocol called

frequent_dose_chelation. This is also a very helpful link, chock full of info

for you on the Cutler protocol - http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

For your salt, I would highly recommend pink himalayan sea salt. It contains

all the same trace minerals that are in our body, it's highly healing! Not to

mention, it tastes great and you will never go back once you use it!

> > > >

> > > > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was

diagnosed with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics: 

Vancomycin &  Metrodizonal  (Flagyl). 

> > > >  

> > > > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I

give him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the

worst once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

> > > >  

> > > > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes

DMA, Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He

has speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them

and his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although

I know he has some form of a mild PDD.

> > > >  

> > > > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son

antibiotics in fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his

gut and I that I might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> > > >  

> > > > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral

&  Difflucan and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his

tests and because he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that

Difflucan & Nizoral were stronger and had worst side affects.  Mind you

he's had two viral dual ear infections in his two years.  They said that

Nystatin would be the alternate medication they would prescribe instead of

the antibiotics.

> > > >  

> > > > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form

of chelation? and how safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and

hopefully B12 nasal spray in the New Year.   I'm so confused, I

haven't started the antibiotic treatment because I hope to get a second opinion

from the " mb12 valtrex " community... ..please advise, what should I do, pls.

help. Thank you and may your little ones have quick recoveries in the

New Year!  Regards, " Bear " desperate father of a sweet two year

old.              

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What is great about Andy's chelation protocol is that it's not risky like many

of the DAN! protocols out there. Don't get me wrong, seeing a DAN! was one of

the best things we did for our son, it got us on the right path and still proves

to be helpful, but as with everything else, there are limits. I take full

responsibility for the health of my children and I follow no one blindly. I

would never follow my DAN! doctor's advice for chelation, ever. I just don't

want to risk the damages of strong chelation. It's Russian Roulette.

Honey is a double-edge sword. It contains wonderful beneficial bacteria,

especially manuka honey, but it's a sweetener and yeast like sweeteners. Stevia

is fabulous, it's an herb. Don't get the flavored drops, just the all natural

stevia powder. You can also try xylitol, it fights bacteria as well (in the

mouth and ears), but some people have issues with loose stool from it, so you

just have to see how it effects your child. It works well for us, we don't use

sweeteners much. It works and tastes just like sugar, so for baking, it's

great! I use it in my coffee too.

For our heavy metals, I did what Dr. Andy Cutler recommends which is the hair

test. It's cheap and easy. Our son had little to no mercury being excreted,

which means he is holding onto it, hence....mercury toxicity. But aside from

that, you also look for deranged mineral transport and Andy Cutler's protocol

addresses that. There is a Yahoo group for Andy's protocol called

frequent_dose_chelation. This is also a very helpful link, chock full of info

for you on the Cutler protocol - http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

For your salt, I would highly recommend pink himalayan sea salt. It contains

all the same trace minerals that are in our body, it's highly healing! Not to

mention, it tastes great and you will never go back once you use it!

> > > >

> > > > My son's O.A.Ts test came back with high levels of DHHP, and was

diagnosed with Clostridia.  His D.A.N doctor prescribed antibiotics: 

Vancomycin &  Metrodizonal  (Flagyl). 

> > > >  

> > > > His bowel movements have always been very normal but I fear that if I

give him these antibiotics his bowels and mild personality might change for the

worst once I take him off of the antibiotics. 

> > > >  

> > > > He turned two last week, has been on a GF/CF diet for 4 months, takes

DMA, Multi.Vitamin, Zinc, D3, Folic, B6, Cod liver, Probiotics, vitamin E. He

has speech delays and has repeated 35 words but not associated any one of them

and his eye contact could be better.  Hasn't been formally diagnosed although

I know he has some form of a mild PDD.

> > > >  

> > > > CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE? I am so terrified of giving my son

antibiotics in fear that it will kill his friendly bacteria and of-set his

gut and I that I might loose him permanently to the unknown realm.

> > > >  

> > > > I asked his D.A.N Doctor if we could do Valtrex with Naizoral

&  Difflucan and they said since he didn't show any viral issues in his

tests and because he's two they could not prescribed Valtrex and that

Difflucan & Nizoral were stronger and had worst side affects.  Mind you

he's had two viral dual ear infections in his two years.  They said that

Nystatin would be the alternate medication they would prescribe instead of

the antibiotics.

> > > >  

> > > > Also, after the antibiotic treatment they would put him on a Gluthadion

cream and Enhansa (cumin) to detox him.  Is this a form

of chelation? and how safe is it? I plan to give him HBOT treatment and

hopefully B12 nasal spray in the New Year.   I'm so confused, I

haven't started the antibiotic treatment because I hope to get a second opinion

from the " mb12 valtrex " community... ..please advise, what should I do, pls.

help. Thank you and may your little ones have quick recoveries in the

New Year!  Regards, " Bear " desperate father of a sweet two year

old.              

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Vanco and Flagyl have different uses. I've used both, at different times. I

really think you need to use whichever is most appropriate for the specific bugs

you're fighting and your individual child, as recommended by your doc. They

take a lot of things into account in deciding which of these drugs to use. I

would not say that I think vanco is " better " than Flagyl for our kids, just good

for different things. Both have some real side effects, and different pro's and

con's. I found that all the gut-bug-killer drugs left the gut out of balance

and low in good flora and pretty vulnerable to bad bugs moving back in. They

were also often hard on his liver and general health.

Biocidin is an herbal product from Bio botanical research. It is awesome,

especially against bacteria. The other herbs I like are Olive Leaf, Pau D'Arco,

Oregon Grape, Garlic, Lomatium, SF-722 (a Thorne product, made of undecylenic

acid from castor beans) and for older kids, Uva Ursi. I use them one at a time,

for 4-7 days each, rotating 3 or 4 of them. The rotation is done so that the

yeast and bacteria doesn't develop a resistance to any single one of them.

In my experience, it takes 6-12 weeks to get bad gut bugs under control this

way, but the good part is that you don't lose your good bacteria, and you don't

stress the liver, and you don't get big die off symptoms, and you can keep

rotating the herbs afterward, at whatever intensity is needed to keep the bad

bugs down.

Just in case any of you are wondering, I work at BrainChild, where I developed

the candida program. I'm also mom to Zane, 16yo hfa.

Terri

>

> Thanks for your response Terri.  I was wondering if you have ever tried

Vancomycin & Flagyl?  I hear Vanco wipes out both bad &  the good bacteria

in the gut while Flagyl may not be as agressive.   

> May I ask which natural anti-fungal herbs did you use and what is Biocidin?

>

> Thanks again.

>

[Guest guest]

Vanco and Flagyl have different uses. I've used both, at different times. I

really think you need to use whichever is most appropriate for the specific bugs

you're fighting and your individual child, as recommended by your doc. They

take a lot of things into account in deciding which of these drugs to use. I

would not say that I think vanco is " better " than Flagyl for our kids, just good

for different things. Both have some real side effects, and different pro's and

con's. I found that all the gut-bug-killer drugs left the gut out of balance

and low in good flora and pretty vulnerable to bad bugs moving back in. They

were also often hard on his liver and general health.

Biocidin is an herbal product from Bio botanical research. It is awesome,

especially against bacteria. The other herbs I like are Olive Leaf, Pau D'Arco,

Oregon Grape, Garlic, Lomatium, SF-722 (a Thorne product, made of undecylenic

acid from castor beans) and for older kids, Uva Ursi. I use them one at a time,

for 4-7 days each, rotating 3 or 4 of them. The rotation is done so that the

yeast and bacteria doesn't develop a resistance to any single one of them.

In my experience, it takes 6-12 weeks to get bad gut bugs under control this

way, but the good part is that you don't lose your good bacteria, and you don't

stress the liver, and you don't get big die off symptoms, and you can keep

rotating the herbs afterward, at whatever intensity is needed to keep the bad

bugs down.

Just in case any of you are wondering, I work at BrainChild, where I developed

the candida program. I'm also mom to Zane, 16yo hfa.

Terri

>

> Thanks for your response Terri.  I was wondering if you have ever tried

Vancomycin & Flagyl?  I hear Vanco wipes out both bad &  the good bacteria

in the gut while Flagyl may not be as agressive.   

> May I ask which natural anti-fungal herbs did you use and what is Biocidin?

>

> Thanks again.

>

[Guest guest]

Vanco and Flagyl have different uses. I've used both, at different times. I

really think you need to use whichever is most appropriate for the specific bugs

you're fighting and your individual child, as recommended by your doc. They

take a lot of things into account in deciding which of these drugs to use. I

would not say that I think vanco is " better " than Flagyl for our kids, just good

for different things. Both have some real side effects, and different pro's and

con's. I found that all the gut-bug-killer drugs left the gut out of balance

and low in good flora and pretty vulnerable to bad bugs moving back in. They

were also often hard on his liver and general health.

Biocidin is an herbal product from Bio botanical research. It is awesome,

especially against bacteria. The other herbs I like are Olive Leaf, Pau D'Arco,

Oregon Grape, Garlic, Lomatium, SF-722 (a Thorne product, made of undecylenic

acid from castor beans) and for older kids, Uva Ursi. I use them one at a time,

for 4-7 days each, rotating 3 or 4 of them. The rotation is done so that the

yeast and bacteria doesn't develop a resistance to any single one of them.

In my experience, it takes 6-12 weeks to get bad gut bugs under control this

way, but the good part is that you don't lose your good bacteria, and you don't

stress the liver, and you don't get big die off symptoms, and you can keep

rotating the herbs afterward, at whatever intensity is needed to keep the bad

bugs down.

Just in case any of you are wondering, I work at BrainChild, where I developed

the candida program. I'm also mom to Zane, 16yo hfa.

Terri

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> Thanks for your response Terri.  I was wondering if you have ever tried

Vancomycin & Flagyl?  I hear Vanco wipes out both bad &  the good bacteria

in the gut while Flagyl may not be as agressive.   

> May I ask which natural anti-fungal herbs did you use and what is Biocidin?

>

> Thanks again.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, of course I've heard of the Doctor's Data Hair elements and have run it

several times on my son. It will show you several months of excretion, i.e.

what the body is getting rid of. It also gives some indication of metal

metabolism imbalances, which is what Andy uses it for. If there are a lot of

metals in the body but it's not able to get rid of them, they will not show as

high. I find it inadequate to use all by itself as a measure of what's still in

the body, because our kids are often not great at getting rid of metals.

Terri

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> Thank you Terri!  I initally did the Porphyrins test on my son  (I don'

think it was the french Porphyrins one).  I read that the " HAIR ELEMENTS

TEST " , run through DOCTOR'S DATA INC (DDI) is the one Andy Cutler recommends for

his chelation protocal.   Have you heard this one?  I guess we'll be trying

this test next.  I'm unsure if it tests for mercury in the brain/cns...but

it suppose to indicate which metals and & a what level they are.  I'll have to

research this some more and call the lab.

>  

> Thanks again for your response. 

>  

> I 

[Guest guest]

Yes, of course I've heard of the Doctor's Data Hair elements and have run it

several times on my son. It will show you several months of excretion, i.e.

what the body is getting rid of. It also gives some indication of metal

metabolism imbalances, which is what Andy uses it for. If there are a lot of

metals in the body but it's not able to get rid of them, they will not show as

high. I find it inadequate to use all by itself as a measure of what's still in

the body, because our kids are often not great at getting rid of metals.

Terri

>

> Thank you Terri!  I initally did the Porphyrins test on my son  (I don'

think it was the french Porphyrins one).  I read that the " HAIR ELEMENTS

TEST " , run through DOCTOR'S DATA INC (DDI) is the one Andy Cutler recommends for

his chelation protocal.   Have you heard this one?  I guess we'll be trying

this test next.  I'm unsure if it tests for mercury in the brain/cns...but

it suppose to indicate which metals and & a what level they are.  I'll have to

research this some more and call the lab.

>  

> Thanks again for your response. 

>  

> I 

[Guest guest]

Can you chelate without a DAN? What about the hair test, can we order them

without a doctor? ... I have the books of Andy Cutler

[Guest guest]

Can you chelate without a DAN? What about the hair test, can we order them

without a doctor? ... I have the books of Andy Cutler

[Guest guest]

Can you chelate without a DAN? What about the hair test, can we order them

without a doctor? ... I have the books of Andy Cutler