RE: Gut Pain Cause?

March 25, 2010

What are you doing for a yeast protocol? Big poops like you describe and pretty much always a sign of yeast issues, as is gut, toe walking and behavior issues.nancy jSubject: Gut Pain Cause?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM

Hi everyone,

My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his

anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never this bad and he was never in obvious pain.

Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.

Here is what we have been doing:

GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)

MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010

Trienza since February 2010

Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009

Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010

Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)

Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)

Zinc since February

Zantac since he was 3 months old

We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax

He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.

To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?

Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).

March 25, 2010

What are you doing for a yeast protocol? Big poops like you describe and pretty much always a sign of yeast issues, as is gut, toe walking and behavior issues.nancy jSubject: Gut Pain Cause?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM

Hi everyone,

My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his

anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never this bad and he was never in obvious pain.

Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.

Here is what we have been doing:

GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)

MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010

Trienza since February 2010

Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009

Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010

Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)

Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)

Zinc since February

Zantac since he was 3 months old

We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax

He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.

To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?

Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).

March 25, 2010

It sounds like yeast. I WOULD NOT give him Miralax!!!Look into Dr. Buie or Dr. Krigsman (google)From: <lisa_getteyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Gut Pain Cause?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM

Hi everyone,

My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his

anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never this bad and he was never in obvious pain.

Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.

Here is what we have been doing:

GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)

MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010

Trienza since February 2010

Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009

Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010

Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)

Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)

Zinc since February

Zantac since he was 3 months old

We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax

He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.

To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?

Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).

March 25, 2010

It sounds like yeast. I WOULD NOT give him Miralax!!!Look into Dr. Buie or Dr. Krigsman (google)From: <lisa_getteyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Gut Pain Cause?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM

Hi everyone,

My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his

anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never this bad and he was never in obvious pain.

Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.

Here is what we have been doing:

GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)

MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010

Trienza since February 2010

Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009

Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010

Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)

Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)

Zinc since February

Zantac since he was 3 months old

We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax

He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.

To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?

Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).

March 25, 2010

His fecal and urine tests came back clean for yeast, bacteria, and viruses in

the gut. The DAN! said he had the cleanest gut he'd ever seen. The rest of his

body is a different matter. At this point, I'm really trying to figure out the

pain issue. He's not acting more " autistic " he's acting like a wounded little

boy and the regular docs seem clueless. We're doing a Metametrix test to check

for intestinal swelling, but I really think that something that we changed is

hurting him. Any ideas?

>

> Subject: Gut Pain Cause?

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM

>

> Â

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we

began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been

characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he

wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until

about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he

is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He

cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit

his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him

to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from

way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel

movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had

visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away

from his

> anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never

this bad and he was never in obvious pain.

>

> Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am

hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major

improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping

my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.

>

> Here is what we have been doing:

>

> GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)

>

> MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010

>

> Trienza since February 2010

>

> Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009

>

> Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010

>

> Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)

>

> Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for

the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)

>

> Zinc since February

>

> Zantac since he was 3 months old

>

> We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how

bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax

>

> He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's

pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more,

but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice

to try to balance it out.

>

> To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills

and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed

by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it.

We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone

provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does

Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first

time we tried it. What else could it be?

>

> Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).

>

March 25, 2010

Sorry, I am not an expert at all, actually don't know what I am talking about with bio-medical :-) except you said his tests came back clean... was this recently or before the protocols you are on? Because as I understand it, these things can change??

His fecal and urine tests came back clean for yeast, bacteria, and viruses in the gut. The DAN! said he had the cleanest gut he'd ever seen. The rest of his body is a different matter. At this point, I'm really trying to figure out the pain issue. He's not acting more " autistic " he's acting like a wounded little boy and the regular docs seem clueless. We're doing a Metametrix test to check for intestinal swelling, but I really think that something that we changed is hurting him. Any ideas?

>

> Subject: Gut Pain Cause?

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM

>

> Â

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his

> anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never this bad and he was never in obvious pain.

>

> Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.

>

> Here is what we have been doing:

>

> GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)

>

> MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010

>

> Trienza since February 2010

>

> Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009

>

> Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010

>

> Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)

>

> Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)

>

> Zinc since February

>

> Zantac since he was 3 months old

>

> We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax

>

> He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.

>

> To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?

>

> Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).

>

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

March 26, 2010

:Have you checked your son's ammonia levels? Diets high in protein can cause high ammonia. How about his oxalate levels? Have you checked parasites? Have you done a CMP to see his liver / kidney #'s?Just thinking of the things that we check to rule out pain and lots of discomfort. Velma. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 03:06:53 -0000To: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: Gut Pain Cause? His fecal and urine tests came back clean for yeast, bacteria, and viruses in the gut. The DAN! said he had the cleanest gut he'd ever seen. The rest of his body is a different matter. At this point, I'm really trying to figure out the pain issue. He's not acting more " autistic " he's acting like a wounded little boy and the regular docs seem clueless. We're doing a Metametrix test to check for intestinal swelling, but I really think that something that we changed is hurting him. Any ideas?> > > Subject: Gut Pain Cause?> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM> > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone,> > My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his> anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never this bad and he was never in obvious pain.> > Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.> > > > Here is what we have been doing:> > GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)> > MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010> > Trienza since February 2010> > Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009> > Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010> > Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)> > Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)> > Zinc since February> > Zantac since he was 3 months old> > We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax> > > > He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.> > > > To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?> > > > Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).> > >

March 26, 2010

:Have you checked your son's ammonia levels? Diets high in protein can cause high ammonia. How about his oxalate levels? Have you checked parasites? Have you done a CMP to see his liver / kidney #'s?Just thinking of the things that we check to rule out pain and lots of discomfort. Velma. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 03:06:53 -0000To: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: Gut Pain Cause? His fecal and urine tests came back clean for yeast, bacteria, and viruses in the gut. The DAN! said he had the cleanest gut he'd ever seen. The rest of his body is a different matter. At this point, I'm really trying to figure out the pain issue. He's not acting more " autistic " he's acting like a wounded little boy and the regular docs seem clueless. We're doing a Metametrix test to check for intestinal swelling, but I really think that something that we changed is hurting him. Any ideas?> > > Subject: Gut Pain Cause?> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM> > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone,> > My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his> anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never this bad and he was never in obvious pain.> > Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.> > > > Here is what we have been doing:> > GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)> > MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010> > Trienza since February 2010> > Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009> > Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010> > Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)> > Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)> > Zinc since February> > Zantac since he was 3 months old> > We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax> > > > He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.> > > > To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?> > > > Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).> > >

March 26, 2010

:Have you checked your son's ammonia levels? Diets high in protein can cause high ammonia. How about his oxalate levels? Have you checked parasites? Have you done a CMP to see his liver / kidney #'s?Just thinking of the things that we check to rule out pain and lots of discomfort. Velma. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 03:06:53 -0000To: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: Gut Pain Cause? His fecal and urine tests came back clean for yeast, bacteria, and viruses in the gut. The DAN! said he had the cleanest gut he'd ever seen. The rest of his body is a different matter. At this point, I'm really trying to figure out the pain issue. He's not acting more " autistic " he's acting like a wounded little boy and the regular docs seem clueless. We're doing a Metametrix test to check for intestinal swelling, but I really think that something that we changed is hurting him. Any ideas?> > > Subject: Gut Pain Cause?> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM> > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone,> > My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his> anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never this bad and he was never in obvious pain.> > Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.> > > > Here is what we have been doing:> > GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)> > MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010> > Trienza since February 2010> > Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009> > Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010> > Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)> > Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)> > Zinc since February> > Zantac since he was 3 months old> > We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax> > > > He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.> > > > To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?> > > > Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).> > >

March 26, 2010

Hi & Tracey, my son is under the care of a gastroenterologist who has him on Miralax. You both mentioned that Miralax is bad for our kids. I've never heard this. Can you tell me what you know about it?Thanks,Soraya

It sounds like yeast. I WOULD NOT give him Miralax!!!Look into Dr. Buie or Dr. Krigsman (google)From: <lisa_getteyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Gut Pain Cause?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM

Hi everyone,

My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his

anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never this bad and he was never in obvious pain.

Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.

Here is what we have been doing:

GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)

MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010

Trienza since February 2010

Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009

Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010

Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)

Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)

Zinc since February

Zantac since he was 3 months old

We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax

He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.

To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?

Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).

March 26, 2010

To get started on reading why Miralax is really, really, bad, please look in the "message" section of this board...I'll write more about it to tonight...p.s. Just go to the "messages" archive, and type in keyword "Miralax", there are stories dating back a few years about experiences other parents have had with Miralax... it can cause major regression, etc., please read it... Sent from my iPhone

Hi & Tracey, my son is under the care of a gastroenterologist who has him on Miralax. You both mentioned that Miralax is bad for our kids. I've never heard this. Can you tell me what you know about it?Thanks,Soraya On Mar 25, 2010, at 10:07 PM, wrote:

It sounds like yeast. I WOULD NOT give him Miralax!!!Look into Dr. Buie or Dr. Krigsman (google)From: <lisa_getteyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Gut Pain Cause?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM

Hi everyone,

My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his

anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never this bad and he was never in obvious pain.

Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.

Here is what we have been doing:

GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)

MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010

Trienza since February 2010

Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009

Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010

Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)

Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)

Zinc since February

Zantac since he was 3 months old

We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax

He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.

To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?

Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).

March 26, 2010

Thanks, Velma. He doesn't have parasites, but the other issues are distinct

possibilities. He also woke up with a great little fever this morning so the

plot thickens. I'll look into these potential issues.

I really appreciate your thoughts on this.

> >

> > From: <lisa_gette@>

> > Subject: Gut Pain Cause?

> > To: mb12 valtrex

> > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach. Before

we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009, would have

been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he didn;t get

what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the bio-med approach

until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy all the time. I

think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is not yet able to tell

me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time, and sometimes wants you

to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty training and asking us to

take him to the bathroom to screaming at the thought of the toilet. A

toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his toes these days. He

sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a foot long) and his last two

large movements have had visible blood. The first one showed enough blood for

me to have to wipe it away from his

> > anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never

this bad and he was never in obvious pain.

> >

> > Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I

am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major

improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't helping

my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.

> >

> > Here is what we have been doing:

> >

> > GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)

> >

> > MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010

> >

> > Trienza since February 2010

> >

> > Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009

> >

> > Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010

> >

> > Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)

> >

> > Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get in

for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)

> >

> > Zinc since February

> >

> > Zantac since he was 3 months old

> >

> > We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read how

bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax

> >

> > He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat - it's

pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him eat more,

but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins, applesauce and juice

to try to balance it out.

> >

> > To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his

skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests

prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to

address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax. Can

anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the problem.

Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was constipating the

first time we tried it. What else could it be?

> >

> > Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).

> >

>

March 26, 2010

Hi Toni,

We had the tests done after most of the bio-med things were in place. You're

right, something may have changed, but based on comments that I'm getting and

what I have seen, I think that Trienza is the culprit. I'm trying to figure out

what to try next.

Thanks for your question. Sometimes the right question is better than a great

answer.

Take care,

> > >

> > > From: <lisa_gette@>

> >

> > > Subject: Gut Pain Cause?

> > > To: mb12 valtrex <mb12 valtrex%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:53 PM

> > >

> > > Â

> >

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > My almost 3yo and I are relatively new to the bio-medical approach.

> > Before we began using bio-medical treatments, back in November 2009,

> > would have been characterized as HFA and generally happy. He whined when he

> > didn;t get what he wanted, but he was happy. He remained this way on the

> > bio-med approach until about a week or two ago when he started being grumpy

> > all the time. I think he is experiencing gastro-intestinal pain, but he is

> > not yet able to tell me. He cries frequently, wants to be held all the time,

> > and sometimes wants you to hit his stomach. He went from interest in potty

> > training and asking us to take him to the bathroom to screaming at the

> > thought of the toilet. A toe-walker from way back, he is even higher on his

> > toes these days. He sometimes has huge bowel movements (literally over a

> > foot long) and his last two large movements have had visible blood. The

> > first one showed enough blood for me to have to wipe it away from his

> > > anus. While he experienced some constipation before bio-med it was never

> > this bad and he was never in obvious pain.

> > >

> > > Can you guys help me troubleshoot what we are doing? I'm so afraid that I

> > am hurting rather than helping him. The fact that we haven't seen any major

> > improvements (except in the amount that he eats) with bio-med yet isn't

> > helping my frustration. Any advice would be really appreciated.

> > >

> > > Here is what we have been doing:

> > >

> > > GFCF since November 2009 (no noticeable improvement with GF)

> > >

> > > MB12 Subcutaneous shots since January 2010

> > >

> > > Trienza since February 2010

> > >

> > > Vitamin D3 1000 IU since October 2009

> > >

> > > Switched from Rice Milk to Soy/Hemp milk due to allergy February 2010

> > >

> > > Gummy vitamins (since forever - waiting for our DRN vitamins to arrive)

> > >

> > > Epsom Salt baths since last week (seemed really happy when he would get

> > in for the first few days, today he didn't cheer at all)

> > >

> > > Zinc since February

> > >

> > > Zantac since he was 3 months old

> > >

> > > We gave him Miralax (total of 3 tablespoons over two days) before I read

> > how bad it was for our kids - He was in pain before the Miralax

> > >

> > > He eats mostly protein (lately trying to down select from meat to fat -

> > it's pretty gross) and carbs (trying to expand his diet - zinc has made him

> > eat more, but not different foods). We give him plenty of raisins,

> > applesauce and juice to try to balance it out.

> > >

> > > To be clear, this doesn't appear to be a regression. He still has his

> > skills and is learning. This is a physical problem. We're doing some tests

> > prescribed by his DAN! to check his gut function, but it will take weeks to

> > address it. We've been to a regular gastro and his suggestion was Miralax.

> > Can anyone provide any leads on this to help us get to the root of the

> > problem. Does Trienza ever cause gastro problems? We thought it was

> > constipating the first time we tried it. What else could it be?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance (and sorry for the really long post).

> > >

> >

>

> --

> Toni

>

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> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

March 26, 2010