Re: Metals need to go first...right?

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I want to note that McCarthy's kid isn't fully chelating and she just wrote in a "Living without" magazine that he keeps having reccurent yeast flare ups and they have to keep on top of it ....made me thing that this must be b/c of metals she hasn't dealt with....

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 4:22:09 PMSubject: Re: Metals need to go first...right?

Trying my best not to sound like a know-it-all, but I think there are some things wrong with the DAN! way of doing things, or at least the DAN! way of doing things two years ago when I was seeing one. As far as I know, the first things DAN!s usually do are challenge tests, supplementation (vits, mins, probiotics, enzymes) and recommend GFCF diet, am I correct? What I have been seeing though on these discussion boards is that after people put their kids on "the diet" and supplements, their kids start to have screaming tantrums and/or uncontrollable yeast...and just like a vaccine reaction, they join the group of moms dealing with these issues and all of a sudden they don't make the connection because it's "normal" because all the other moms/dads who bring their kids for autism treatment have the same things going on. So the DAN!s, not wanting to chelate with the horrible stomach issues going on, get into this vicious cycle of "treating

candida" with all kinds of anti-fungals, GSE, etc. etc. with temporary results but frequent set-backs into the same candida issues over and over. One problem is that many kids have issues with more than just gluten and casein and of course you know this Christel, but DAN!s don't always get what is going on or expect the parents to do all this diet messing around, so the kid ends up with undigested food or food and/or supplements they are sensitive to bringing on problems all the time...almost worse than before GFCF! Not to mention the way the DAN!s recommend the Kirkman flavored vitamins and other multi's that kids are intolerant of!I hope the DAN!s would be saying "no sweets" and make cultured vegetables, but I am not sure because I have to constantly reiterate the importance of this on discussion boards. Andy Cutler has mentioned this problem himself about kids who are on the GFCF diet having out-of-control yeast problems when

he thought the diet was supposed to heal the gut and make chelation more tolerable. He was basically saying chelation was more tolerable when the kids weren't on a restricted diet!Mind you, I value dietary intervention very much and believe it has lessened inflammation for my child, but not everyone has the time or patience or will to screw around with diet as much as others. I believe they can try enzymes in place of the diet and chelation if the child is not so bad off.My son has increased his tolerance of certain supplements and foods and I believe some of this is due to chelation. At the last DAN! Conference (Dallas), one of the sessions was about chelating in order to break up biofilm in the gut. What is funny is that my friend who follows the DAN! protocol told me about it and I said, "well, that sounds like what we are doing with DMSA." http://www1. biogema.de/ biodam/htdocs/ Archive/biodam_ 040128_03. pdf"Succimer, chemical name meso-2,3-dimercapto succinic (DMSA), an active heavy metal chelating agent, was also capable of permeabilizing P. aeruginosa."Over-the-counter supplements like DMSA and ALA are not as profitable for DAN! doctors and so they are not interested in studying them as much nor are they interested in inexpensive low dose chelation regimens. I am not saying I blame them, I am just saying it's not as profitable as having someone come in the office for IV chelation or ordering prescriptions and supplements from suppliers you have partnered with.> >> > not necessarily, you can get rid of yeast issues,

bacteria issues, and viral issues with out metal stuff. we have eliminiated yeast issues, and bacteria issues with out removing metals and treated viral issues early on and been successful with out doing metal treatments yet> > > > Metals need to go first...right?> >

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No colds? Why do you go to extremes? It's not a good debate tactic, makes it look like desparation. It's clear we cannot discuss this without you getting all worked up so we won't.

Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > Rose>

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Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>

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You can get *some* metals out by treating viruses, or even by getting them methylated, but once the metals cross the bbb you will not remove them without a chelator as the body has no natural way of doing this.

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Honestly though, Natasa, I think Stan's experience was rare. I have been around a couple years and have seen people doing antivirals: Valtrex, OLE, Zovirax, etc. etc. Haven't heard of any amazing recoveries on them.>> Metals often start pouring out once viruses are addressed correctly:> > http://stankurtz.com/biomedical/comprehensive-antiviral-approach.html> > > Natasa>

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Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>

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No he didn't tell me about other patients who used it,that isn't something he seems to do. I don't know if it contains alcohol.He says he doesn't like DMSA,because he says it just moves the metals around,which is just what everybody else says. Subject: Re: Metals need to go first...right?To:

mb12 valtrex Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:07 PM

, I looked around for some more info on that supplement HMD that Dr. Stoller recommended for you. I only found one person who used it with her son and she claims he regressed and had to regain skills for a year afterward. (the name is Penumbra if you want to search) This is only one experience, yes. I do know someone in NM whose husband is on HMD and tolerating it well, so there is another case. I wish there were more positive/negative stories to read...did Dr. Stoller say what his experience has been in patients who he's recommended it to? Does it contain alcohol?

I am biased to the Cutler protocol because my children both are doing well on it. We have done both ALA and DMSA on Cutler's dosage schedule. My younger boy I can't tell much the results because he was doing lots of things concurrently that all made him better, but the older one has resolved a lot of issues including: tics, odd social behavior, auditory processing, and has better concentration in school.

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That's what I'm worried about. Subject: Re: Re: Metals need to go first...right?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 1:51 PM

you can't rip metals out of a very damaged body, some times, many times, MOST of the time you have to address other issue first. food allergens, treatable yeast and bacteria issues, digestion, stool issues suppliment issues, low or defienct minieral or vitamine issues so the body is as healthy as possible to START chealtion. or you can make things worse, get the oxidative stress as low as possible to have the least amount of side effects from chelation

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Rose- Our DAN told us we need to deal with the viruses and yeast first before the metals, but our chiropractor (who is also a naturopath) said we need to go after the metals concurrently to get optimal healing. I'm still trying to sort this out myself.Nanci>> Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > Rose>

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Not true about DMSA , DMSA moves metals out of the body via the kidneys. I

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Can they also accumulate ?Is this why you would have an autistic adult,with unaddressed metals issues,who has porphyrin levels three or four times normal levels,like I do ? Subject: Re: Re: Metals need to go first...right?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 11:44 AM

Metals take many years to leave, it doesn't make sense to deal with them last.

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Rose- Our DAN told us we need to deal with the viruses and yeast first before the metals, but our chiropractor (who is also a naturopath) said we need to go after the metals concurrently to get optimal healing. I'm still trying to sort this out myself.Nanci>> Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > Rose>

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Re: Metals need to go first...right?

Rose- Our DAN told us we need to deal with the viruses and yeast first before the metals, but our chiropractor (who is also a naturopath) said we need to go after the metals concurrently to get optimal healing. I'm still trying to sort this out myself.Nanci>> Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > Rose>

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, you should really look into the Cutler protocol. I would suggest getting

on the Frequent Dose Chelation group and researching and asking questions about

chelation, especially asking people's experiences with chlorella and cilantro

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nope not at all, it's bacterial

Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>

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nope not at all, it's bacterial

Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>

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every DAN is different and they have just changed the program to be called a DAN dr that they have to have continuting education, I can't remember if it's every other year or every year so that the difference in the GREAT DAN dr's and not so great is less of a gap. OUR DAN is fabulous, he is an MD (both of them) and one is an Allergist. the FIRST thing he does is IGE panels in office and IGG send out, usually an OATS and stool comp if there are digestion/stool issues. ours doesn't do IV so far as I know, he does DMSA mostly oral I believe, and does blood testing to find out what nutrients are missing, he doesn't sell suppliments in house with partners so that people get what they NEED not profiting and forcing them to take this or that. he researches what suppliments HAVE in them so they are safe for those with allergies (that I have not seen alot of DANs do....can't tell you how many DANs I have seen make kids regress with putting them on milk based probiotics or suppliments with soy, or peanuts ect that kids can't do) NOT all DANs are make equaly, another valuable part of this board is finding out who the great ones are. DMSA will not address bacteria, yeast, viral biofilm, EDTA does and enzymes, different stuff. our DAN in VT takes insurence, our Once a year allergist DAN has the most reasonable prices I have yet to see (75 dollars for an hour of HBOT) for hourly appointments, has done free phone calls for us with questions, written free letters to schools ect for us and he also takes insurence like blue cross blue shield. and he has even worked with our other speicalist ect to make sure procecdures are safe for us. he also stresses HEALTHY eating, rotating, yeast is an issue most all kids so again HOW you do diet is important. if you have been around for any time (i have been here over 6.5 years now) I ALWAYS pass on what we have learned which is non yesat feeding fruits, low carbs, healthy foods you CAN do verses what you can't do. I have also stressed this diet is NEVER just gfcf, it's what your child can't do, and what they can do, different for each kid, peeling layers and findign out what your childs issues are and treating those. kids should never be screaming ect a GOOD DAN would be walking you through benifit, slow chelation, slow detox, yeast treatments with mop up while dealing with diet things making it worse and feeding it. not sure who you saw but challenge testing has been discouraged for years at the conferences as it can do more damage then good lossening lots of metals to resettle with out clean up ect. it doesn't give a good glance either at things. just looses up a mess. I know so many kids that have been damaged by them with badly trained DANs back in the day, the GREAT DANs I have been encourageing people to go to say this order, diet, cut healing, nutritens in, bacteria and yeast, then viral and metals

Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>

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DMSA loosens and escorts OUT the metals...not sure why he would say that....

Re: Metals need to go first...right?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:07 PM

, I looked around for some more info on that supplement HMD that Dr. Stoller recommended for you. I only found one person who used it with her son and she claims he regressed and had to regain skills for a year afterward. (the name is Penumbra if you want to search) This is only one experience, yes. I do know someone in NM whose husband is on HMD and tolerating it well, so there is another case. I wish there were more positive/negative stories to read...did Dr. Stoller say what his experience has been in patients who he's recommended it to? Does it contain alcohol? I am biased to the Cutler protocol because my children both are doing well on it. We have done both ALA and DMSA on Cutler's dosage schedule. My younger boy I can't tell much the results because he was doing lots of things concurrently that all made him better, but the older one has resolved a lot of issues including: tics, odd social behavior, auditory processing, and has better concentration in school.> > >> > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > > >  I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol.   > > > > > >  My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right?  So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > > > Rose> > >>

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DMSA loosens and escorts OUT the metals...not sure why he would say that....

Re: Metals need to go first...right?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:07 PM

, I looked around for some more info on that supplement HMD that Dr. Stoller recommended for you. I only found one person who used it with her son and she claims he regressed and had to regain skills for a year afterward. (the name is Penumbra if you want to search) This is only one experience, yes. I do know someone in NM whose husband is on HMD and tolerating it well, so there is another case. I wish there were more positive/negative stories to read...did Dr. Stoller say what his experience has been in patients who he's recommended it to? Does it contain alcohol? I am biased to the Cutler protocol because my children both are doing well on it. We have done both ALA and DMSA on Cutler's dosage schedule. My younger boy I can't tell much the results because he was doing lots of things concurrently that all made him better, but the older one has resolved a lot of issues including: tics, odd social behavior, auditory processing, and has better concentration in school.> > >> > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > > >  I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol.   > > > > > >  My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right?  So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > > > Rose> > >>

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PANDAS is bacterial...... NOT metals...

Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>

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Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>

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I think the problem here is that kids are so different and it is not so black

and white. If it were as clear cut as just the metals, then there would be alot

more recovered kids. , I know you have good intentions and I think it is

more than wonderful that your grand-daugher recovered the way she did. But there

have been people chelating for alot longer with not near the results you have

seen. In those cases, I would definitely recommend going other routes in

treating other things more aggressively (viruses, yeast, bacteria, etc). I know

your grand-daugher had lots of great skills before, had language, etc. The AC

protocol is a very safe protocol, so it is a great fit for alot of kids. But

feeling judged if you do NOT do the protocol doesn't feel too good. We all come

here for advice and don't want to be told that we are brain damaging our kids

because we all have only the best intentions here with our precious kids. I had

recently thought about doing an adapted AC type of chelation, but I'm not so

sure anymore. I feel like I need to run when someone has found the cure for all

autism, because I don't think that even exists. Christel has seen great results

with her son with lots and lots of blood, sweat and tears. And to have that

discounted because he has some lintering auto-immune problems is sad. There are

SOOOOOO many related auto-immune problems and diseases. Some kids and adults can

overcome, but for others, the immune system has been thrown so out of whack that

you might have to continue to put out fires for a lifetime. Even if the metals

are removed, the immune system has been damaged.

So, I think all people just want to feel like their opinion is respected and we

all obviously want to help our kids. I would hate for AC to get a bad name or

DAN to get a bad name because there are wonderful people following both

protocols. My particular DAN doesn't care if you want to do AC or other

chelation, but she does not believe in IV's. Oh, and she does not profit at all

from buying chelators, we buy direct from pharmacy. I think someone had

mentioned DAN's not being able to profit from DMSA???

I think it's wonderful for people to strive for " full recovery " but I think it's

amazing for kids to even be partially recovered. Just didn't want to leave those

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foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our

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You may not be aware of this,but most DAN!s have at least a couple of adult patients each. Think of the unusual,awkward,and downright scary position we have found ourself in lately. Here we are, going to see these doctors for what we thought were immune problems,GI disease,or seizures,then along comes all these studies that prove porphyrins,and methylation as big biomarkers of autism.The doctor says why don't we test you,and see how it turns out.Your numbers are off the charts,proving you had mercury all along that was never treated,often with no clue as to where it came from.Talk about leaving people out there.I think even a lot of DAN! doctors sort of thought this mercury stuff all began with the MMR shot.

Subject: Re: Metals need to go first...right?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:08 PM

I think the problem here is that kids are so different and it is not so black and white. If it were as clear cut as just the metals, then there would be alot more recovered kids. , I know you have good intentions and I think it is more than wonderful that your grand-daugher recovered the way she did. But there have been people chelating for alot longer with not near the results you have seen. In those cases, I would definitely recommend going other routes in treating other things more aggressively (viruses, yeast, bacteria, etc). I know your grand-daugher had lots of great skills before, had language, etc. The AC protocol is a very safe protocol, so it is a great fit for alot of kids. But feeling judged if you do NOT do the protocol doesn't feel too good. We all come here for advice and don't want to be told that we are brain damaging our kids because we all have only the best intentions here with our precious kids. I had recently thought

about doing an adapted AC type of chelation, but I'm not so sure anymore. I feel like I need to run when someone has found the cure for all autism, because I don't think that even exists. Christel has seen great results with her son with lots and lots of blood, sweat and tears. And to have that discounted because he has some lintering auto-immune problems is sad. There are SOOOOOO many related auto-immune problems and diseases. Some kids and adults can overcome, but for others, the immune system has been thrown so out of whack that you might have to continue to put out fires for a lifetime. Even if the metals are removed, the immune system has been damaged.

So, I think all people just want to feel like their opinion is respected and we all obviously want to help our kids. I would hate for AC to get a bad name or DAN to get a bad name because there are wonderful people following both protocols. My particular DAN doesn't care if you want to do AC or other chelation, but she does not believe in IV's. Oh, and she does not profit at all from buying chelators, we buy direct from pharmacy. I think someone had mentioned DAN's not being able to profit from DMSA???

I think it's wonderful for people to strive for "full recovery" but I think it's amazing for kids to even be partially recovered. Just didn't want to leave those kids out here.

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Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>

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again CAUSED by bacteria issues with strep

Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>

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my son was also MR basically when we started, non verbal at 2 with the developmental age of 2-4 months old....we have had 2 big set backs with PANDAS and a scope when his dx was to be cleared that sent us back a whole year development and a whole year of trying to fight to get it back) loss of 2 years total just from his scope and Nitrious used....due to his genetic mutations and dr's not listening and strep exposure while being under. to go from that and being told he would never talk agian and needed to be institutionlaized and so self abusive to be shut in his room with padded walls and a helmet and ONLY eating gram crackers, animal crackers and milk, to now mainestreamed, in his age class with normal peers, years ahead in some classes even, fully functioing with friends, relationships, playing with toys, part of the family, lost over 22 allergies, fixed immune issues, being able to remove many suppliments, and holding those gains, conquiring viral issues, yeast issues and all bacterial issues execpt his cronic strep (for which he is having his tonsils removed in the next 6 months where they believe it may be harboring).....we have surpassed in healingnone who may have been mild and now have nothing. we have had ALOT Of damage to fix.

i have helped families HUNDREDS, if not thousands over all the years we have been doing biomedical, I have seen well over a hundred s of kids charts in helping those families, OATS, STOOLS, METALS< allergy testing ect....there are those kids out there even with OUT metal issues....I have seen there tests. I have seen kids with no allergy issues, no yeast issues, no viral issues, no bacterial issues,. its never even we have it all! some kids it's just one issue, others it's many , or many but not this or that, all our kids or so different, I pray for the full healing of all our kids bodies, but the reality is that some damage may be to great. and that kids may be left with damaged immune system, or allergies and still need diet, or have mito issues and require suppliments although they may carry no more label ect. doesn't make them less or more autistic, just they may still have OTHER issues that remain to do perment damage, or allergy genetics (like celiac) ect....somethings you can't control. the rest you work on and get them better at all costs. we are all here to do that! those kids are still recovered from "autism" that bus has passed!

Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>

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roger there has never been mercury in the MMR, it's a live virus shot....they are in things like tetnus, the flu, ect

MMR how ever is viral and can cause viral issues, my son actually CONTRACTED measels FROM his shots., and when treated broke out in measles from head to toe

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Metals need to go first...right?> > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I'm doing this right, I wanted to put this out there and make sure.> > > > I'm treating my son for food allergies by having him on the gfcf diet, I'm treating him for yeast overgrowth and viral and bacterial overgrowth as well, pretty much all at the same time. I'm also chelating according Andy's protocol. > > > > My question ...The yeast, bacteria and viruses are going to keep coming back unless I remove the heavy metal load first.....right? So no matter how under control they seem unless the metals are removed I'm going to see them come back?> > > > I guess the reason I'm asking is that this thought process is the foundation of our treatments. Chelation is the center of our healing for our son, and I just wanted to make sure that I am doing things correct.> > > > Rose> >>