Re: Cymbalta

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her labs look HORRID! And I suspect bringing the thyroidlevels up

is uncovering weak adrenals. Can you get her a saliva tst for thyroid

and adrenals? You can order them yourself from www.canaryclub.org then

you need to find a BETTRE foctor. Thi one will keep her ill. It is

common for hypo and adrneal proble,s to surface in ALL children and

worsen when they start puberty. Thgis outs more strain on the adrenal

swiht havignot producer more of the sex hormoens which they ar partially

responsible for. For this child you need a GOOD hormone specialist.

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

UGH I HATE NY laws! Do you have a friend or relative thta lives outside

the state that could order these tests for you then send them ot you?

I knwo some others that have done this and yo can mail them back from

your address as long as oyu tell them it was not collected there. You

receive the results online so that is not a problem.

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Yes, I can do that. :-) Thanks!

B

God Bless America!

One Nation Under God

> UGH I HATE NY laws! Do you have a friend or relative thta lives outside

> the state that could order these tests for you then send them ot you?

> I knwo some others that have done this and yo can mail them back from

> your address as long as oyu tell them it was not collected there. You

> receive the results online so that is not a problem.

>

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> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

[Guest guest]

Good grief--it really is the People's Republic of NY. Glad I live in

Texas.

[Guest guest]

I sit hear holding back the tears.

I too have a DD with Down Syndrome. She is eight.

I am also outraged that your daughter is not getting the assistance she

needs.

Firstly, how come your daughter was given medication for her thyroid at

such a young age?

Secondly, please please get another Dr - check in your area for

a 'holistic' or a Dr that practices 'ingergrated medicine'. I know its

not easy but it is so worth it. These Dr's will take the whole

situation into account. I would also recomend that they do a

neurotransmitter urine test at the very least to see if she needs

particular amino acids (I read somewhere that people with DS are very

low in serotonin).

Thirdly, I would get her onto zinc supplementation. People with DS are

all generally very low in this and it is needed for all the

neurotransmitter pathways.

My DD has been on zinc supplementation on and off all her life and she

doesn't have the usual colds etc and is very healthy. I also did not

vacinate her and that could be a reason as well.

I had a hair analysis done on DD and it showed extremely low potassium

but we dont quite know what to do about that yet. There is a Dr here in

Western Australia that is treating only people with Autism atm and is

having great success. He is looking at my DD's hair analysis and

hopefully will give me some feedback.

Cinday, I know its heart renching and energy sapping to see your DD

going through this. I pray that you will find the strength to battle

and get the help she so obviously needs.

You are not alone on the journey. Much love Geraldine

>

> Does anyone else here have experience with children who

have

> Downs? Any words of wisdom? I need some encouragement.

>

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I would not worry so much especially if you are part of this group. If the Ad's

stress your adrenal glands you have certainly come to the right place to do

something about that!

I find they help me.

Hensley

Cymbalta

Val,

I was put on Cymbalta last week and wasn't feeling to great. My hubby looked

up some info and we were rather concerned by what we read. I wanted to get your

response here. What do you think?

This is from: http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/pinealstory.htm

" But why do I hear people talking about benefits from these

SSRI-AntiDepressants? " , you might want to ask in this stage. " They surely must

work somehow don't they? " The answer is yes, they " work " somehow, but not in a

very proper way. The mechanism of action on serotonergic neurons implies a lot

of other neuro- endocrine responses. What actually happens when you increase

serotonergic neuronal activity or elevate your serotonin levels is this: the

stress hormones " Cortisol " & " Adrenaline " (Epinephrine) in the brain and body

are triggered by increased serotonergic activity or elevated serotonin levels.

It is a natural reaction from the body to combat the excessive serotonin levels.

These released hormones, cortisol and adrenaline, are secreted from the " Adrenal

Glands. " They give the human personality a boost, producing a euphoric state,

which can last for a prolonged period of time. In this manner

SSRI-AntiDepressants initially poduce the deceptive results the doctor

and " patient " are both expecting. *

If a patient continues to ingest a particular SSRI-antidepressant over a

prolonged period of time, eventually the bodies Adrenal Glands may lose their

efficiency and " Adrenal Exhaustion Syndrome " will be the end result. Adrenal

Exhaustion causes levels of adrenaline initially to fall and levels of cortisol

to rise. Ultimately, also cortisol levels fall. When untreated, Adrenal

Exhaustion will lead to seriously declining physical health. Many (former)

SSRI-AntiDepressant users reported fatigue as a long term side-effect or were

diagnosed with " Chronigue Fatigue Syndrome. " People suffering from stress are

generally diagnosed with this disorder. Symptoms range from simple exhaustion to

much more complex problems that are secondary to excessive output of adrenal

hormones in the bloodstream, leading to Adrenal Exhaustion. Unlike the other

hormones, it takes a long time before the Adrenal Glands have their adrenaline

levels restored. Could we say that the

SSRI-AntiDepressant " works " by slowly excavating the body's Adrenal Glands?

* [ Actually, when a family doctor (GP) or psychiatrist is observing a patient

in a " euphoric " state of being, this should ring warning bells immediately! The

drug induced (iatrogenic) conditions Akathisia & Mania are well documented in

the medical litarature. Drug induced Mania, an abnormally elated mental state,

typically characterized by feelings of euphoria, racing thoughts and

talkativeness, is a " forerunner " of Akathisia, a neurologically driven agitation

ranging from mild leg tapping, feeling " caffeinated " to severe panic, an extreme

manic state and hyper-sensitivity of the nervous system. Akathisia can lead to

suicidal, aggressive and/or homicidal thoughts and behaviours. When a doctor or

psychiatrist is observing symptoms of mania and/or akathisia in a patient,

SSRI-AntiDepressant use should be discontinued immediately! The pharmaceutical

companies are well informed regarding above mentioned conditions and the

capacity of their antidepressant

pituitary-adrenal (HPA) system dysregulation/hyperactivity (and thus excessive

secretion of cortisol) played an important role in the pathophysiology of

depression and that normalization of HPA axis hyperactivity could be achieved by

(SSRI) anti-depressant treatment, and thus relief of depression. However, a

study and a case report involving the non-SSRI antidepressant Remeron

(mirtazapine) and a review show us that nor amelioration of HPA system

dysregulation, nor reduction of cortisol secretion in depressed patients is

correlated with relief of symptoms of depression. See: (1), (2), (3).

Furthermore, a study developed by D. Jezova & R. Duncko, Laboratory of

Pharmacological

Neuroendocrinology, demonstrated that repeated SSRI-antidepressant treatment

in healthy men does not inhibit, but enhances stress-induced pituitary hormone

release (neuroendocrine activation). Cortisol levels failed to be modified by

antidepressants. A simple search through available PubMed articles uncovers

clearly that SSRI-antidepressants not only fail to modify cortisol, but actually

stimulate/increase cortisol release. See: (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6).

Initially the rise in cortisol & adrenaline (secreted from the Adrenal Glands)

may create the illusion of a patient making progress in his/her situation, but a

potential tragedy may be surfacing very soon. It is very well known that

(SSRI-AntiDepressant induced) increased cortisol secretion can lead to violent

suicidal behaviour.

(I would like to encourage you to use your discernment when viewing

antidepressant involved suicide/homicide/violence cases represented by the

media. In the section casualties of this website, these cases are carefully

stored up to be a " silent " witness for the future, in order to testify regarding

the devastating & powerful destructive effects these " legal drugs " exercised on

children, adolescents and adults, not discriminating between men and women). ]

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[Guest guest]

5htp will help you make more seratonion. Cymbalta will help you use what

seratonin you do make more efficiently. They can work very well together. I take

two AD's and htp tryptophan together. They both work better with each other than

by themselves.

Hensley

Re: Cymbalta

The ridiculous thing about his comment is that most studies involve small

numbers to

begin with!!

Linn

>

> Geraldine,

>

> Yea, my doctor was trying to help me with a fibro flare that's pretty

bad pain wise. I

brought in four books about thyroid and fibro and since they were not

written by someone

with an MD or DO after their name, he wouldn't even look at them. He said

to send him a

LARGE study done by REAL doctors, and then he'd think about prescribing

Cytomel. He

said in this county and in this state, he could get sued if I went hyper

and had a heart

attack. I'm glad to see he was so concerned about doing the right thing as

opposed to

getting sued. NOT!

>

> How are you doing on the 5HTP and L-Tyrosine? Do you have fibro by any

chance?

>

> You and I are in complete agreement...but Big Pharma will never make

selling Cytomel

and such what they make selling ADs. So no funding for big studies done by

real doctors.

>

> Be well, W

[Guest guest]

Liz,

I'm glad the ADs are helpful to you. Cymbalta made me feel like death though

and I had to stop taking it. We fibromites can be hypersensitive to

prescriptions and the like.

I enjoy reading your posts and appreciate hearing your views. You always have a

lot to add to a topic of discussion.

Be well, W

Liz Hensley wrote: I

would not worry so much especially if you are part of this group. If the Ad's

stress your adrenal glands you have certainly come to the right place to do

something about that!

I find they help me.

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It took me three attempts to finally ween from Prozac. I sounded just like you

described! I had to do it very, very slowly...ugh.

Be well, W

Liz Hensley wrote: I

was on pure T3, tried to go off of one of my AD's. I thought I was doing fine

but I was having bursts of irrational anger and treating people so bad my

Fundamentalist minister begged me to go back on them, and he is usually pretty

antidrug.

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