Re: Cymbalta

[Guest guest]

I have often said peopel with adrenal OR thyroi ddysfunction should not

take these antidepressants. T3 is what you need to releive depression

and cortisol releives anxiety. That ois th efunciton of these hormones

on our psych. Som eof the worst depressions I have seen were nothing but

low T3. Look for instance at Janis Joplin, a perfect example of

untreated hypo! My mother was her double,,, and commited suicide at 35

years young.

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[Guest guest]

,

Ditch the Cymbalta and use Vitalzyme instead. Start with 3 capsules in between

meals, 3

times a day. You increase every 3 - 4 days by 1 capsule, to 4 capsules, etc.

up to 6

capsules 3 times a day. Enzymes can solve all kinds of problems.

(Contraindicated on an

empty stomach if you have ulcers.) I have had stomach trouble in the past but

am

tolerating the Vitalzyme just fine and am up to 5 capsules 3 times a day. I

have not felt

this good in a very long time. Did go through small amount of detox symptoms

but not

bad. My energy level and my attitude have seriously improved. Has definitely

lifted the

fog I've been in. I've even read lots of info lately regarding Vitalzyme curing

IC problems.

Linn

>

> Val,

>

> I was put on Cymbalta last week and wasn't feeling to great. My hubby looked

up some

info and we were rather concerned by what we read. I wanted to get your

response here.

What do you think?

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the information about SSRI's. I was on Cypramil and

Lexapro for eight years and knew that these were 'perking' me up (felt

really tired if I lowered my dose). Then guess what - adrenal

exhaustion.

I think what was initially happening was my Hashimotos starting and

therefore some depression.

I will be off my SSRI's in two weeks - must wean off slowly.

I feel much much better. I have been taking 5HTP and L-Tyrosine along

with zinc and B1 & B6 (vital for neurotransmitters)

I am so angry with the pharma's - treating depression with SSRI's is

immoral! All we need is to treat our thyroids and use amino acids.

Cheers

Geraldine

[Guest guest]

Geraldine,

Yea, my doctor was trying to help me with a fibro flare that's pretty bad pain

wise. I brought in four books about thyroid and fibro and since they were not

written by someone with an MD or DO after their name, he wouldn't even look at

them. He said to send him a LARGE study done by REAL doctors, and then he'd

think about prescribing Cytomel. He said in this county and in this state, he

could get sued if I went hyper and had a heart attack. I'm glad to see he was

so concerned about doing the right thing as opposed to getting sued. NOT!

How are you doing on the 5HTP and L-Tyrosine? Do you have fibro by any chance?

You and I are in complete agreement...but Big Pharma will never make selling

Cytomel and such what they make selling ADs. So no funding for big studies done

by real doctors.

Be well, W

gmaddrell wrote:

Thank you for the information about SSRI's. I was on Cypramil and

Lexapro for eight years and knew that these were 'perking' me up (felt

really tired if I lowered my dose). Then guess what - adrenal

exhaustion.

I think what was initially happening was my Hashimotos starting and

therefore some depression.

I will be off my SSRI's in two weeks - must wean off slowly.

I feel much much better. I have been taking 5HTP and L-Tyrosine along

with zinc and B1 & B6 (vital for neurotransmitters)

I am so angry with the pharma's - treating depression with SSRI's is

immoral! All we need is to treat our thyroids and use amino acids.

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[Guest guest]

>>He said to send him a LARGE study done by REAL doctors, and then he'd

think about prescribing Cytomel. <<

Go to www.drlowe.com there he has listed studies and real statistics

abotu the use of T3. He could even CALL Dr. Lowe.

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[Guest guest]

IN addendum, Ask him to show YOU the studies done that show T3 is

dangerous to the heart. I can tell you rightnoew, there are NONE. In

fact, in today's medical world, T3 is given to heart patients prior to

open heart surgeries as it increases their chances of survival about 30%.

http://ats.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/extract/61/5/1328

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Lowe's book was one of the four I brought in that my doc would not look at.

I brought in one of Dr. Lowe's studies and since it was only done on something

like 20 people, my doc disregarded it. I love Dr. Lowe! Just wish I could find

a doc to listen because I was so much better when I was following the T3

protocol. I'll get back there...the world is round!

Sad, huh?

Be well, W

T wrote:

>>He said to send him a LARGE study done by REAL doctors, and then he'd

think about prescribing Cytomel. <<

Go to www.drlowe.com there he has listed studies and real statistics

abotu the use of T3. He could even CALL Dr. Lowe.

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Oh THANK YOU Val for this abstract! I will send it to him pronto!

Be well, W

T wrote:

IN addendum, Ask him to show YOU the studies done that show T3 is

dangerous to the heart. I can tell you rightnoew, there are NONE. In

fact, in today's medical world, T3 is given to heart patients prior to

open heart surgeries as it increases their chances of survival about 30%.

http://ats.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/extract/61/5/1328

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[Guest guest]

>>Just wish I could find a doc to listen because I was so much better when I

was following the T3 protocol.<<

Maybe it is time to invest in your health rather than in doctors.

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[Guest guest]

I don't know why I go through this from time to time. I had this appointment

and thought wow, I've done things his way for six months and gotten steadily

worse, now I'll ask him to do things my way (and the DO's way who had me try the

WIlson's TRT3) and we'll see how THAT works! NOT!

I just keep beating my head against a wall. But I do need a doc for things like

those liver stones...it's hard when you're so chronically ill. This doc wants

me to take another blood test for TSH and Frees. How long does it take Val for

T3 to leave your system? Is it relatively short acting???

Thanks again for your urging me to take care of me. I don't know what I'd do

without this group.

Be well, W

T wrote:

>>Just wish I could find a doc to listen because I was so much better when I was

following the T3 protocol.<<

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[Guest guest]

48 hours T3 is gone. But probably takes another day for TSH to rise.

That is a guess wiht TSH as I never go off my meds ot please my

dooctor! Actually hmine has given up telling me whta ot do wiht thyroid.

He has seen me go from a dying invalid to a healthy thricing 53 year old

woman thta is MUCH healtier wiht my own treatments than wanything hew

has done for me. Can;t argue wht success if thye have ANY sense at all ,

which many do not.

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[Guest guest]

Linn,

I just added Standard Process Zypan and Interplexus Mega PolyZyme to my regimen.

I take them with meals though per the instructions. Would this cover the

Vitalzyme protocol???

The reason my doc put me on Cymbalta was for pain. I'm having the worst fibro

flare I've had in probably four years.

Be well, W

mwm1glm wrote: ,

Ditch the Cymbalta and use Vitalzyme instead. Start with 3 capsules in between

meals, 3

times a day. You increase every 3 - 4 days by 1 capsule, to 4 capsules, etc.

up to 6

capsules 3 times a day. Enzymes can solve all kinds of problems.

(Contraindicated on an

empty stomach if you have ulcers.) I have had stomach trouble in the past but

am

tolerating the Vitalzyme just fine and am up to 5 capsules 3 times a day. I

have not felt

this good in a very long time. Did go through small amount of detox symptoms

but not

bad. My energy level and my attitude have seriously improved. Has definitely

lifted the

fog I've been in. I've even read lots of info lately regarding Vitalzyme

curing IC problems.

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[Guest guest]

No I don't have Fibro. I have Hashimotos, PCOS and Adrenal fatigue. I

sent the article you posted to my Dr and he said that it was very

useful. He also sent me some more on the dreadfull effects of SSRI's.

He is the Dr that finally treated my thyroid with Armour and did all

the right bloodwork. I have put his name up as a good holistic Dr for

treating thyroid here in Western Australia. Can I encourage you to Dr

shop - its so worth having one who is knowledgeable and lets you take

responsibility for your own health.

Sorry to hear you are having a flare up. Do you take any magnesium? I

found that taking that with Evening Prim Oil helped any aching I had.

Keep strong - there is a road to recovery

PS I am doing great on the 5HTP and L- Tyrosine.

Geraldine

>

> Thank you for the information about SSRI's. I was on Cypramil and

> Lexapro for eight years and knew that these were 'perking' me up

(felt

> really tired if I lowered my dose). Then guess what - adrenal

> exhaustion.

> I think what was initially happening was my Hashimotos starting

and

> therefore some depression.

> I will be off my SSRI's in two weeks - must wean off slowly.

> I feel much much better. I have been taking 5HTP and L-Tyrosine

along

> with zinc and B1 & B6 (vital for neurotransmitters)

> I am so angry with the pharma's - treating depression with SSRI's

is

> immoral! All we need is to treat our thyroids and use amino acids.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

The ridiculous thing about his comment is that most studies involve small

numbers to

begin with!!

Linn

>

> Geraldine,

>

> Yea, my doctor was trying to help me with a fibro flare that's pretty bad pain

wise. I

brought in four books about thyroid and fibro and since they were not written by

someone

with an MD or DO after their name, he wouldn't even look at them. He said to

send him a

LARGE study done by REAL doctors, and then he'd think about prescribing Cytomel.

He

said in this county and in this state, he could get sued if I went hyper and had

a heart

attack. I'm glad to see he was so concerned about doing the right thing as

opposed to

getting sued. NOT!

>

> How are you doing on the 5HTP and L-Tyrosine? Do you have fibro by any

chance?

>

> You and I are in complete agreement...but Big Pharma will never make selling

Cytomel

and such what they make selling ADs. So no funding for big studies done by real

doctors.

>

> Be well, W

[Guest guest]

No it won't. They're working on the food not your system. Vitalzyme has other

enzymes

in it that Standard Process, Infinity, etc. don't have. Vitalzyme will relieve

the pain!! A lot

of people take it specifically for pain, in lieu of painkillers. I would highly

recommend it.

Check out http://www.totalityofbeing.com/Articles/Cystitis.htm, there's a lot

more info on

Vitalzyme on this website also.

Linn

>

> Linn,

>

> I just added Standard Process Zypan and Interplexus Mega PolyZyme to my

regimen. I

take them with meals though per the instructions. Would this cover the

Vitalzyme

protocol???

>

> The reason my doc put me on Cymbalta was for pain. I'm having the worst fibro

flare

I've had in probably four years.

>

> Be well, W

[Guest guest]

Does 5HTP cause any of the problems with seritonin as cymbalta does/

Re: Cymbalta

The ridiculous thing about his comment is that most studies involve small

numbers to

begin with!!

Linn

>

> Geraldine,

>

> Yea, my doctor was trying to help me with a fibro flare that's pretty

bad pain wise. I

brought in four books about thyroid and fibro and since they were not

written by someone

with an MD or DO after their name, he wouldn't even look at them. He said

to send him a

LARGE study done by REAL doctors, and then he'd think about prescribing

Cytomel. He

said in this county and in this state, he could get sued if I went hyper

and had a heart

attack. I'm glad to see he was so concerned about doing the right thing as

opposed to

getting sued. NOT!

>

> How are you doing on the 5HTP and L-Tyrosine? Do you have fibro by any

chance?

>

> You and I are in complete agreement...but Big Pharma will never make

selling Cytomel

and such what they make selling ADs. So no funding for big studies done by

real doctors.

>

> Be well, W

[Guest guest]

If it weren't for the ladies in this group I'd probably be dead or damn near by

now. I know not everyone likes what I say from time to time, but I am immensely

thankful for every one of you. Without the input I wouldn't be able to tick

everyone off! Seriously. . .thanks.

Amy the Redhead.

[Guest guest]

Amy,

That's what I love about this group, it's one of my favorites. Most of us can

disagree and still

get along!! Good to hear from Amy.

Linn

>

> If it weren't for the ladies in this group I'd probably be dead or damn near

by now. I know

not everyone likes what I say from time to time, but I am immensely thankful for

every one of

you. Without the input I wouldn't be able to tick everyone off! Seriously. .

..thanks.

> Amy the Redhead.

[Guest guest]

The very best book on this is The Mood Cure by Ross. Another

good one is Depression Free Naturally by Joan Mathews-Larson, Ph.D.

Do a google on these two books.

This guy is pretty good: http://www.raysahelian.com/5-htp.html

Here is a very good article on autoimmunne conditions:

http://www.gethealthyagain.com/autoimmune.html

I have just started using 4Lifes Transfer Factor (was very reluctant

as they are a network marketing group) but my basal has risen so it

must be doing something. My husband is also taking it and his has

risen too. I have not had any illness since starting though did have

one very high temp (must have been fighting something already in my

system and this also happened to hubby)

Let me know if you find anything else that is helpful.

Cheers

Geraldine

>

> Geraldine

>

> I could have written this post. Congratulations on being close to

> being off that poison. I was on paxil for 12 years and I'm hoping

> the aminos can help me. Having my seratonin levels at abnormally

> high levels for so long from antidepressants use I'm hoping the

> aminos will work. Where are you getting your info on depression,

> neurotransmitters?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Geraldine,

Thanks so much for your encouragement. When you're hurting that means a LOT! I

do take magnesium and it does make quite a difference in fibro symptoms.

Haven't tried the evening primrose oil though.

I've been to 27 doctors now without any luck finding someone progressive enough

to think outside the box. This doctor is the only one thus far who was okay

with my self-treating and that's what I'm going to have to do.

I did see a DO about an hour north of here who worked with 's Thyroid

Sydrome protocol using TRT3. He basically let you do your own thing...didn't

advise...didn't review my temp/pulse charts when I brought them in.

TRT3 cycles didn't work for me, so that's why I switched to self-treating with

straight T3. Honestly, I've gotten more help from Val here than I ever did from

that doc and he was the best I found.

I am so glad you found a doc to properly care for you! Can you clone him???

Be well, W

gmaddrell wrote:

Sorry to hear you are having a flare up. Do you take any magnesium? I

found that taking that with Evening Prim Oil helped any aching I had.

Keep strong - there is a road to recovery

PS I am doing great on the 5HTP and L- Tyrosine.

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[Guest guest]

REALLY?????? Wow, thanks Linn...I had no idea. I'll check into this today!

Thanks for the heads up. You're a life-saver.

Be well, W

mwm1glm wrote: No it won't.

They're working on the food not your system. Vitalzyme has other enzymes

in it that Standard Process, Infinity, etc. don't have. Vitalzyme will relieve

the pain!! A lot

of people take it specifically for pain, in lieu of painkillers. I would

highly recommend it.

Check out http://www.totalityofbeing.com/Articles/Cystitis.htm, there's a lot

more info on

Vitalzyme on this website also.

Linn

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and Val,

Thank you both for this info. We are having quite a time with my

DD who is 17. She has Down syndrome and has been on synthroid for hypoT

since she was 1 year old. She has been changing over the past couple of

years. I have felt like I was losing my girl, the DD I knew was going away

and I couldn't do anything about it. First, social withdrawal, cognitive

decline, memory decline, lethargy and more. Many people would say this is a

" normal " Down syndrome person reaching adulthood, she has plateaud (sp?)

and this new course is the one she will be on, get used to it.

But I am convinced after studying hypoT and adrenal fatigue for

a few months now, that her problems are caused by hypoT. I have asked her

Endo for Armour, he does not prescribe it. He did agree to order cytomel to

go along with her synthroid though. I thought we'd try it and see if she

improves. She started on 7/4.

Her blood work before adding cytomel:

July

TSH 3.59 (0.34 - 5.6)

FT4 0.96 (0.50 -1.60)

T3 1.2 (0.7 - 1.9) (he refused to do a FT3)

The dr called after he saw these results and said " the lab work

is all good. Keep doing what you're doing. " This TSH was actually UP from

the previous one 6 months earlier :

January

TSH 3.030 (0.34 - 5.6)

I had wanted to give the cytomel a chance to work, like 4-6

weeks, but in the mean time, her symptoms have gotten worse. Sound is

driving her crazy and she has to wear ear plugs everywhere she goes. She is

having panic attacks and wetting her pants in public. She is fearful of

doing things that she used to participate in regularly. She is one very

unhappy young lady. Everything within me is screaming " She needs Armour and

in a dose high enough to bring her back from this downward spiral she's been

on for a couple of years " .

I am afraid that the pediatrician will want to Rx an

antidepressant (which is what my DH wants). So, this info you have posted is

very helpful. I knew I didn't want her on antidepressants, now I have solid

info to back that up.

Does anyone else here have experience with children who have

Downs? Any words of wisdom? I need some encouragement.

>I have often said peopel with adrenal OR thyroi ddysfunction should not

> take these antidepressants. T3 is what you need to releive depression

> and cortisol releives anxiety. That ois th efunciton of these hormones

> on our psych. Som eof the worst depressions I have seen were nothing but

> low T3. Look for instance at Janis Joplin, a perfect example of

> untreated hypo! My mother was her double,,, and commited suicide at 35

> years young.

>

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Val,

I love this quote! I'm going to use it ;-)

B

God Bless America!

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> Maybe it is time to invest in your health rather than in doctors.

>

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[Guest guest]

,

Can your daughter do a saliva test? I mean will she spit into the vials? If

so, this would give you a much clearer picture of what is actually going on

within her cells thyroid wise. With her anxiety, I think Val would say she

needs HC also.

I'm so sorry you have gone through so much with the dear daughter you cherish.

My hat is off to you for working and studying so hard to find a way to help her.

She can't help herself and is very blessed to have such a good mom.

I've found this message board as several awesome moms like you as members. It

impresses me so that you all would go so above and beyond the call of duty for

your kids!

Be well, W

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,

Thanks so much for your encouraging words! I think she might be able to

do the saliva test. I'll need to get her to a dr. who will do it though

because we are in NY (where they forbid such things). Hopefully we can do it

in August. I agree she probably does need adrenal support. I think she has

been under medicated (thyroid) for many years.

B

God Bless America!

One Nation Under God

Re: Cymbalta

> ,

>

> Can your daughter do a saliva test? I mean will she spit into the vials?

> If so, this would give you a much clearer picture of what is actually

> going on within her cells thyroid wise. With her anxiety, I think Val

> would say she needs HC also.

>

> I'm so sorry you have gone through so much with the dear daughter you

> cherish. My hat is off to you for working and studying so hard to find a

> way to help her. She can't help herself and is very blessed to have such

> a good mom.

>

> I've found this message board as several awesome moms like you as members.

> It impresses me so that you all would go so above and beyond the call of

> duty for your kids!

>

> Be well, W

>

>

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