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[Guest guest]

Yep. If I don't get a date in 2000 I'm going to join them too. Hey, if

you can't beat 'em....

Apple ;-)

michael kraemer wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10885

> bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in that

> group..old experienced males spot a new female member?

> Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too,

> experienced female predators, etc)...

>

[Guest guest]

know what you mean,I need some female predators in my

life

--- appledtp@... wrote:

> Yep. If I don't get a date in 2000 I'm going to join

> them too. Hey, if

> you can't beat 'em....

> Apple ;-)

>

> michael kraemer wrote:

> original

>

article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10885

> > bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in

> that

> > group..old experienced males spot a new female

> member?

> > Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too,

> > experienced female predators, etc)...

> >

>

>

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know what you mean,I need some female predators in my

life

--- appledtp@... wrote:

> Yep. If I don't get a date in 2000 I'm going to join

> them too. Hey, if

> you can't beat 'em....

> Apple ;-)

>

> michael kraemer wrote:

> original

>

article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10885

> > bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in

> that

> > group..old experienced males spot a new female

> member?

> > Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too,

> > experienced female predators, etc)...

> >

>

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Jesus! I was just making things up as i thought of

them

--- appledtp@... wrote:

> The official wacky list is here:

> http://www.bcrecovernet.org/belief/wacky_world.htm

> Notice Jim K's Church of God anonymous leads the

> pack.

> apple

>

>

> > This appears to be a list of recovery groups

> in general, not

> > limited to 12-step. (Notice SMART, WFS, and some

> standard-Christian

> > groups are listed. Also, " Jews in Recovery "

> [JACS] is not a recovery

> > meeting program, it's mostly a website of Jewish

> apologists for AA --

> > " try to stay serene when others say Christian

> prayers such as the

> > " Lord's Prayer " and when they say things that

> might be considered

> > insensitive to Jews " --)

> >

> > I don't remember where I saw the list of all

> the 12-step clone

> > groups, but I remember being particularly startled

> by Diabetics

> > Anonymous -- does confessing " moral defects " to a

> doorknob alleviate

> > diabetes? Do diabetics want to do this?? -- and

> Phobics Anonymous

> (How

> > would someone with agoraphobia get out to a

> meeting? and if they did,

> > wouldn't that be a sign they're no longer

> phobic?).

> >

> > ~Rita

> >

>

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" hector arroyo " wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10837

> Apple:

>

> You got me. Here's the correction.

>

> Does anyone know if I missed any A's in the 4th step?

There are I believe over 100 12-step fellowships; I can name 5 - SLAA,

SAA, SCA, SOA, SA dealing with sex alone! There is even a " Prostitutes

Anonymous " apparently.

P.

[Guest guest]

ben bradley wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10867

> At 04:11 PM 12/30/99 -0800, Mike May wrote:

> >Yes there is a group for sex addicts. SAA " original eh "

> >I saw a site somewhere that lists all 150, I'll try and find it

again for

> you.

> >Mike

> >At 10:55 AM 12/30/1999 -0800, you wrote:

> >>is there a group for sex addicts?

>

> There's Sex Addicts Anonymous, and also SLAA, Sex and Love Addicts

> Anonymous. There may be more " sex addiction " related 12-step groups,

> but I recall reading about those two on the Fidonet Recovery echo,

> eight or ten years ago. One (I don't remember which) is 'reasonable'

in

> comparison to most 12-step programs - another is openly Christ-based,

> and their definition of " addictive sexual behavior " is anything other

> than intercourse between a married couple. And yes, that means they

> consider masturbation to be " addictive " for " sex addicts " .

Both SLAA and SAA are fairly reasonable, particualraly the former. The

really whacko one is Saxaholics Anonymous (SA) which although not

*openly* Xtian, was founded and is effectively run by Roy K., who has

apparently become a priest. It is homophobic and no-masturbation as

you describe, and I have heard that Roy K. has now decided that even

sex within marriage is compulsive, and that SA members are supposed to

be totally sex abstinent. I think SA is a brilliant example of how the

early AA was and still is at its heart, with its manifest hypocrisy; I

was vigorously encouraged to stay despite being in a non-marital sexual

relationship - how on earth could I compromise that with their cranky

views unless I cocnverted and end ended the relationship (marriage was

not practicable at that time). The group included several attractive

women, and I thought it was rather a shame that they had become

nun-like. They sometimes wore fairly short skirts and one absolutely

edible one used to wear a body-hugging tracksuit. She used to worry if

it were ok to kiss her dates, and said she would write to American SA

to find out! Eventually she went over their where they berated her for

the tracksuit, and afterward she used to appear draped like a Taliban

woman. What a shame.

P.

[Guest guest]

" jim hankins " wrote:

> There's also SLAA (Sex & Love) and SA (Sexaholics). I think SA is for

> flashers, peepers and their ilk.

Anyone who does anything remotely like fun!

P.

[Guest guest]

" railroad rita " wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10882

> I don't remember where I saw the list of all the 12-step clone

> groups, but I remember being particularly startled by Diabetics

> Anonymous -- does confessing " moral defects " to a doorknob alleviate

> diabetes? Do diabetics want to do this?? -- and Phobics Anonymous

(How

> would someone with agoraphobia get out to a meeting? and if they did,

> wouldn't that be a sign they're no longer phobic?).

12-step groups for non-addictions are quite common. Thereis even an

Impotence Anonymous. Im not actually sure its 12-step, but anyone

choosing that name, especially in the US, must know how many ppl will

assume it is 12-step - qhich suggests that it actually IS 12-step. The

fact that I have seen someone talk abt IA on TV without mentioning it

is a step group means nothing of course - decpetion is SOP in the

grouper world.

P.

[Guest guest]

" railroad rita " wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10882

>

> This appears to be a list of recovery groups in general, not

> limited to 12-step. (Notice SMART, WFS, and some standard-Christian

> groups are listed. Also, " Jews in Recovery " [JACS] is not a recovery

> meeting program, it's mostly a website of Jewish apologists for AA --

> " try to stay serene when others say Christian prayers such as the

> " Lord's Prayer " and when they say things that might be considered

> insensitive to Jews " --)

Gee, you mean just because their loving and benevolent HP plans to burn

you all in Hell for eternity, that might have a negative effect on your

serenity? Knock me over with a feather! I wonder what the Xian god did

with all those Jews Adolf Eichmann gassed. They may wish they were back

in Buchenwald now.

>

> I don't remember where I saw the list of all the 12-step clone

> groups, but I remember being particularly startled by Diabetics

> Anonymous -- does confessing " moral defects " to a doorknob alleviate

> diabetes? Do diabetics want to do this??

Maybe they sit around and feel guilty for all that sugar they ate. I

saw there was also a Cancer Anonymous. No way I'm going near that site.

I'm postal enough already.

[Guest guest]

michael kraemer wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10885

> bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in that

> group..old experienced males spot a new female member?

> Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too,

> experienced female predators, etc)...

>

, you're giving me evil thoughts. I'd like to meet some

experience female predators. If I went to one of those meeings, how

would I present myself as the ideal victim?

[Guest guest]

michael kraemer wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10885

> bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in that

> group..old experienced males spot a new female member?

> Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too,

> experienced female predators, etc)...

Not my experience of SA in the UK or SAA. [The latter is mostly gay

men (including a couple of closeted priests), very few women at all].

SLAA? Well I had a relationship with someone I met in OA that I

introduced to SLAA - but it was a respectful relationship, not preying

- and besides, she hunted me too! I remember that one guy hit a lot on

the women, which bugged a few ppl, but I dont think anyone did

anything. Myself, I dont necessarily see anything wrong with it if one

treats the other person always with nohesty and respect - a little bit

of healthy sexual romance in all that neuorosis seems like a good

thing. Many of us called ourselves " sex anorexics " . One Maerican girl

thought it very funny as it was " so British " . I think it was her whose

father got a " priests' disease " of infection in the testicles caused by

stagnant sememn through not ever ejaculating. I wonder if SA may

actually be dangerous for men at least, in that ejaculation is a

natural function and never doing so at all makes one susceptible to the

Clerics' Complaint!

P.

[Guest guest]

, most of the diseases you listed below are already covered by

Media Anonymous. I'm serious. As far as Men With Wives Who Make Them

Take Out the Trash, they can join NO MA'AM (National Organization of

Men Against Amazonian Masterhood), founded by Al Bundy.

michael kraemer wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10886

> thanks I was curious...lets see what else could there

> be?

> soap operas anonymous

>

> internet anonymous

>

> Stern anonymous (for dealing with shame of

> being a Stern fan..I struggle with this

> sometimes)

>

> Reading the national enquirer anonymous (could be

> expanded to: reading trashy periodicals anonymous)

>

> dirty car and messy room anonymous (shamefully I

> revert to this behavior from time to time..think I

> need a group for this)

>

> NFL and NBA Anonymous (could expand to NCAA

> anonymous...big addiction to basketball problem here

> in Indiana)

>

> Careless Drivers anonymous - recovery from the painful

> process of forgetting to get your oil changed when

> you're supposed to.

>

> Parents of kids who run around and make a lot of noise

> support group.

>

> Men whose wives make them take out the Trash United

>

> People who really don't give a shit who becomes

> president anonymous

>

> Men who occasionally sneak a peek at playboy at new

> stands anonymous.

>

> " Cherry Masters " gambling recovery group

>

> Getting in touch with your inner sissy groups

>

> Men who can't fix appliances...and the women who love

> them family support groups.

>

> etc. etc. etc.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

michael kraemer wrote:

> internet anonymous

I think this does exist!

>

> dirty car and messy room anonymous (shamefully I

> revert to this behavior from time to time..think I

> need a group for this)

Does exist - clutterers' anonymous!

> Parents of kids who run around and make a lot of noise

> support group.

These days they call it ADD/HD - bound to be a step group for it.

>

> Men whose wives make them take out the Trash United

Lots of " Wild Man " stuff around now.

> Men who occasionally sneak a peek at playboy at new

> stands anonymous.

" Acting Out " in sex addict groups.

>

> Getting in touch with your inner sissy groups

Transsexuals anonymous

>

> Men who can't fix appliances...and the women who love

> them family support groups.

Ive heard of " Women who bake too much " - only a halk-joke I think.

P.

[Guest guest]

Oh my God...

Lip Balm Anonymous!!!!!

Note that they are looking for a *genetic* basis to lip balm addiction,

even though they know there is no evidence for it!

P.

appledt-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10888

> The official wacky list is here:

> http://www.bcrecovernet.org/belief/wacky_world.htm

> Notice Jim K's Church of God anonymous leads the pack.

> apple

>

[Guest guest]

All these spin off groups are just a way of bringing people with common

issues together. The steps are totally irrelevent to the friggin issue,

but most people, the newcomers especially have no idea that the steps

were just thrown in with a couple of words changed, so it could be an

anonymous program. Then they anguish away over the powerlessness &

moral???? inventory.

Apple

> 12-step groups for non-addictions are quite common. Thereis even an

> Impotence Anonymous. Im not actually sure its 12-step, but anyone

> choosing that name, especially in the US, must know how many ppl will

> assume it is 12-step - qhich suggests that it actually IS 12-step. The

> fact that I have seen someone talk abt IA on TV without mentioning it

> is a step group means nothing of course - decpetion is SOP in the

> grouper world.

>

> P.

>

>

[Guest guest]

You could stuff large bills in your pockets and have them hanging out

ever so slightly. Or when the basket is passed, pull out a large wad

with ones in the center and hundreds and a couple of ones on the

outside. But it may be cheaper to just go to Vegas.

Apple

> , you're giving me evil thoughts. I'd like to meet some

> experience female predators. If I went to one of those meeings, how

> would I present myself as the ideal victim?

>

[Guest guest]

michael kraemer wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10891

> know what you mean,I need some female predators in my

> life

I remember being a bit pisssed that no OA women appeared to want to

exploit me sexually. Ironically, my sponsor warned me abt Bill B., the

OA equivalent of BIll W., as a womanizer and money grabber, including

breaking Bill B.'s anonymity. In the end the only person who fucked me

was that sponsor, for money to go thru his rehab.

Actually, some women did have an interest (including one who went to

SA). One went ape and started acting like a stalker when she found out

I had a gf. fortunately, her way of dealing with it was to sever

contact - but she could easily have gone the other way and been a

stalker for real.

P.

[Guest guest]

I knew a few fellows that belonged to an A.A. Group. They practiced total

celibacy.

Unfortunately they talked about their misdeeds in a monotone voice and

never faced

The issues behind their actions. The main one being that they were sexually

abused

As children. That doesn't give a person the right to abuse another either,

but it does

Leave a person with those thoughts and requires a lot of psychiatric care.

My personal

Feeling about step programs is quit similar to the views on the AA

deprogramming page,

Which was my conformation others felt the same way as me. The Big Book

could have been

Written in a concise short form. Get honest with yourself, get out of

denial, and get yourself

Some damn good professional help. Find a few good friends that will offer

support, and start living.

Have a good New year everyone.

Mike

At 07:19 AM 12/31/1999 -0800, you wrote:

>bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in that

>group..old experienced males spot a new female member?

>Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too,

>experienced female predators, etc)...

>

>--- Railroad Rita wrote:

>> mike may wrote:

>> original

>>

>article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10865

>>

>> > Yes there is a group for sex addicts. SAA

>> " original eh "

>> >

>> > Mike

>> -------------------------

>>

>> Our own Pete Watts has told us a lot about the

>> two " sex addicts "

>> 12-step groups. They actually use ludicrous

>> terminology like " sexual

>> sobriety " and have rigidly defined (and very

>> arbitrary) definitions of

>> " acceptable " sexuality.

>>

>> ~Rita

>>

>>

>> > At 10:55 AM 12/30/1999 -0800, you wrote:

>> > >is there a group for sex addicts?

>> > >

>>

>>

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At 11:28 AM 12/31/99 -0800, Jim Hankins wrote:

> " railroad rita " wrote:

>original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10882

>> I don't remember where I saw the list of all the 12-step clone

>> groups, but I remember being particularly startled by Diabetics

>> Anonymous -- does confessing " moral defects " to a doorknob alleviate

>> diabetes? Do diabetics want to do this??

>

>Maybe they sit around and feel guilty for all that sugar they ate. I

>saw there was also a Cancer Anonymous. No way I'm going near that site.

>I'm postal enough already.

I wonder if these are really 12-step. Years ago I heard of a group

called Impotence Anonymous, which only uses the 'Anonymous' name, but

not any of the steps or dogma. I could hardly imagine it if if DID use

the 12 steps.

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[Guest guest]

Jesus! I was just making stuff up.

te Watts wrote:

> michael kraemer wrote:

>

> > internet anonymous

>

> I think this does exist!

>

> >

> > dirty car and messy room anonymous (shamefully I

> > revert to this behavior from time to time..think I

> > need a group for this)

>

> Does exist - clutterers' anonymous!

>

> > Parents of kids who run around and make a lot of

> noise

> > support group.

>

> These days they call it ADD/HD - bound to be a step

> group for it.

> >

> > Men whose wives make them take out the Trash

> United

>

> Lots of " Wild Man " stuff around now.

>

> > Men who occasionally sneak a peek at playboy at

> new

> > stands anonymous.

>

> " Acting Out " in sex addict groups.

>

> >

> > Getting in touch with your inner sissy groups

>

> Transsexuals anonymous

> >

> > Men who can't fix appliances...and the women who

> love

> > them family support groups.

>

> Ive heard of " Women who bake too much " - only a

> halk-joke I think.

>

> P.

>

>

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internet anonymous does exist. i heard about it for first time about 4

years ago. people who have lost control of thier abilty to manage how

much time they spend on internet. they also claim its a disease, based

on idea thier brains are addicted to internal chemical reactions in

thier brains. i think GA claims same thing.

the following was in Washington post sports section on gambling as a

disease. the writer has keen insight.

Placing Too Many Bets Is Nothing More Than a Gamble

By Beyer

Wednesday, February 10, 1999; Page D01

The announcer at the Meadowlands harness track is

suing

his employer for failing to accommodate his

disability.

That disability, he says, is his addiction to

gambling.

As reported in yesterday's newspapers, Bothe

gambled recklessly in the past and amassed heavy

debts.

Seven years ago he reformed his life, quit betting and

joined Gamblers Anonymous, although he continued to

work

at the track. In December, the Meadowlands management

asked him to appear on its in-house television program

and analyze the card each night. Bothe refused, saying

that handicapping the races would rekindle his

gambling

compulsion.

" As an announcer, I've been able to put the gambling

out

of my life, " Bothe told the New York Post. " But

hosting

a handicapping show would be like telling a bartender

who's a recovering alcoholic that not only did he have

to serve drinks, but now he had to taste each one. "

Maybe it isn't a good idea for a recovering alcoholic

to

be working in a bar in the first place. But Bothe

managed to work for many years at the Meadowlands, and

to pass by the betting windows every day, without

lapsing into his old bad habits. The notion seems

rather

preposterous that he will suffer a fatal loss of

self-control and ruin his life if he tells a TV

audience, " I like numbers 1, 5 and 7 in the first-race

exacta. "

Yet psychiatrists, psychologists and leaders of

Gamblers

Anonymous insist that compulsive gambling is an

irresistible addiction that the individual is

virtually

powerless to combat. In " When Luck Runs Out, " a study

of

gambling, Custer and Harry Milt write: " The

compulsive gambler cannot stop, no matter how much he

wants to . . . even though he may think he can. He has

lost control. The impulse to gamble is so

overpowering .

. . that he is unable to resist it. "

This premise is regularly accepted in newspaper and

television accounts of people who have wrecked their

lives by gambling. They are regularly described as

victims. When pro quarterback Art Schlichter made

headlines because of his heavy gambling losses, he was

said to be suffering from psychiatrically certified

" pathological gambling. "

If a person such as Schlichter ruins his life by

gambling, the theory goes, he certainly couldn't have

done so deliberately. Therefore, he must have

something

in his makeup that he can't control. But no scientific

proof exists to support this theory.

" There is no biochemical explanation for compulsive

gambling, " said Lee Weinberg, director of the criminal

justice program at the University of Pittsburgh. " You

might argue that there's a rush associated with

gambling

and that some people are not able to resist that rush,

but it's hard to see that as a disease. I find the

explanations offered for compulsive gambling very

troubling and unpersuasive. Although it's hard to

understand why people would ruin their lives and lose

their homes, it's hard to believe that these people

are

all suffering from some disorder. "

I have probably observed the behavior of more gamblers

than most members of the American Psychiatric

Association, and I too doubt the premise that bettors

who get themselves in deep trouble are ones suffering

from some uncontrollable disorder. The people who turn

into problem gamblers aren't much different from the

rest of us. Gamblers Anonymous publishes a 20-question

test to identify potential compulsive gamblers, and

just

about everybody I know at the racetrack would flunk

it.

The questions include:

Have you ever felt remorse after gambling?

After you win, do you have a strong urge to return and

win more?

Do you ever gamble longer than you've planned?

To each of these questions, I'd answer, " Of course, "

and

so would every bettor. Moreover, almost every bettor

has

experienced the darker side of gambling, panicked when

he is losing and desperately bet more in an effort to

recoup his losses. Some of them keep chasing their

losses until they do substantial damage to their

lives/behavior that deserves to be described as

foolish

or irresponsible. But at this point the psychiatrists

step in and say these gamblers have a disease. It's a

self-serving conclusion. With compulsive gambling

officially classified as a disease, the psychiatrists

and counselors can receive insurance money and funding

to treat it and study it. The gamblers who have acted

irresponsibly are let off the hook, and see themselves

as victims.

Vatz, a professor at Towson University who is

a

critic of psychiatry, notes one glaring logical flaw

in

the whole theory of the gambling illness. " You don't

find winners labeled as compulsive gamblers. You don't

find people who get rich speculating in the stock

market

described as compulsive gamblers. They have to be

engaged in particular types of activities and they

have

to lose. And when they do lose, we label these people

as

'diseased' and it takes away responsibility for their

choice of action. "

Vatz concluded: " [The concept of] pathological

gambling

is a sham which is not only invalid, but it hurts

those

so labeled. "

The majority of us gamblers share this opinion and

look

with pity on people such as Bothe who portray

themselves as helpless victims of a disability. We

just

call them bad bettors.

© Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company

michael kraemer wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10933

> Jesus! I was just making stuff up.

>

> te Watts wrote:

> > michael kraemer wrote:

> >

> > > internet anonymous

> >

> > I think this does exist!

> >

> > >

> > > dirty car and messy room anonymous (shamefully I

> > > revert to this behavior from time to time..think I

> > > need a group for this)

> >

> > Does exist - clutterers' anonymous!

> >

> > > Parents of kids who run around and make a lot of

> > noise

> > > support group.

> >

> > These days they call it ADD/HD - bound to be a step

> > group for it.

> > >

> > > Men whose wives make them take out the Trash

> > United

> >

> > Lots of " Wild Man " stuff around now.

> >

> > > Men who occasionally sneak a peek at playboy at

> > new

> > > stands anonymous.

> >

> > " Acting Out " in sex addict groups.

> >

> > >

> > > Getting in touch with your inner sissy groups

> >

> > Transsexuals anonymous

> > >

> > > Men who can't fix appliances...and the women who

> > love

> > > them family support groups.

> >

> > Ive heard of " Women who bake too much " - only a

> > halk-joke I think.

> >

> > P.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well that's it guys, I'm starting IMSMS anonymous,

It's my soap my shower and I'll wash it as fast as I want anonymous. An I

don't even want to go there, forwhat steps we took to recover.

Mike M

At 11:21 AM 12/31/1999 -0800, you wrote:

> " jim hankins " wrote:

>

>> There's also SLAA (Sex & Love) and SA (Sexaholics). I think SA is for

>> flashers, peepers and their ilk.

>

>Anyone who does anything remotely like fun!

>

>P.

>

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[Guest guest]

Lol

Now you see what I was talking about when I said I got a hoot out of seeing

how many there were.

Re: tell me what you think

Jesus! I was just making stuff up.

te Watts wrote:

> michael kraemer wrote:

>

> > internet anonymous

>

> I think this does exist!

>

> >

> > dirty car and messy room anonymous (shamefully I

> > revert to this behavior from time to time..think I

> > need a group for this)

>

> Does exist - clutterers' anonymous!

>

> > Parents of kids who run around and make a lot of

> noise

> > support group.

>

> These days they call it ADD/HD - bound to be a step

> group for it.

> >

> > Men whose wives make them take out the Trash

> United

>

> Lots of " Wild Man " stuff around now.

>

> > Men who occasionally sneak a peek at playboy at

> new

> > stands anonymous.

>

> " Acting Out " in sex addict groups.

>

> >

> > Getting in touch with your inner sissy groups

>

> Transsexuals anonymous

> >

> > Men who can't fix appliances...and the women who

> love

> > them family support groups.

>

> Ive heard of " Women who bake too much " - only a

> halk-joke I think.

>

> P.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Ben:

That's kind of why I asked for help with the list. There are so many groups

out there but not all of them are 12 step based, So I only listed the ones I

knew were based on 12 stepism.

Re: tell me what you think

I wonder if these are really 12-step. Years ago I heard of a group called

Impotence Anonymous, which only uses the 'Anonymous' name, but not any of

the steps or dogma. I could hardly imagine it if if DID use the 12 steps.

-----

[Guest guest]

Now theres on I like, Impotence Anonymous,

Hi my name is soandso, I'm an impotent person.

Take the steps where ever you want from there, and no viagra, we dont

believe in any kind of drug use.

Mike M

At 11:28 AM 12/31/1999 -0800, you wrote:

> " railroad rita " wrote:

>original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10882

>

>> I don't remember where I saw the list of all the 12-step clone

>> groups, but I remember being particularly startled by Diabetics

>> Anonymous -- does confessing " moral defects " to a doorknob alleviate

>> diabetes? Do diabetics want to do this?? -- and Phobics Anonymous

>(How

>> would someone with agoraphobia get out to a meeting? and if they did,

>> wouldn't that be a sign they're no longer phobic?).

>

>12-step groups for non-addictions are quite common. Thereis even an

>Impotence Anonymous. Im not actually sure its 12-step, but anyone

>choosing that name, especially in the US, must know how many ppl will

>assume it is 12-step - qhich suggests that it actually IS 12-step. The

>fact that I have seen someone talk abt IA on TV without mentioning it

>is a step group means nothing of course - decpetion is SOP in the

>grouper world.

>

>P.

>

>

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