Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Yep. If I don't get a date in 2000 I'm going to join them too. Hey, if you can't beat 'em.... Apple ;-) michael kraemer wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10885 > bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in that > group..old experienced males spot a new female member? > Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too, > experienced female predators, etc)... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 know what you mean,I need some female predators in my life --- appledtp@... wrote: > Yep. If I don't get a date in 2000 I'm going to join > them too. Hey, if > you can't beat 'em.... > Apple ;-) > > michael kraemer wrote: > original > article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10885 > > bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in > that > > group..old experienced males spot a new female > member? > > Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too, > > experienced female predators, etc)... > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sneezing, wheezing, trouble breathing? If you have > allergies or asthma, or > want to breathe happier and healthier, we can help. > Visit gazoontite.com > for the products, information and services you need > to breathe easier. > http://click./1/396/1/_/4324/_/946660221 > > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the > group calendar! > -- > /cal?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 know what you mean,I need some female predators in my life --- appledtp@... wrote: > Yep. If I don't get a date in 2000 I'm going to join > them too. Hey, if > you can't beat 'em.... > Apple ;-) > > michael kraemer wrote: > original > article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10885 > > bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in > that > > group..old experienced males spot a new female > member? > > Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too, > > experienced female predators, etc)... > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sneezing, wheezing, trouble breathing? If you have > allergies or asthma, or > want to breathe happier and healthier, we can help. > Visit gazoontite.com > for the products, information and services you need > to breathe easier. > http://click./1/396/1/_/4324/_/946660221 > > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the > group calendar! > -- > /cal?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Jesus! I was just making things up as i thought of them --- appledtp@... wrote: > The official wacky list is here: > http://www.bcrecovernet.org/belief/wacky_world.htm > Notice Jim K's Church of God anonymous leads the > pack. > apple > > > > This appears to be a list of recovery groups > in general, not > > limited to 12-step. (Notice SMART, WFS, and some > standard-Christian > > groups are listed. Also, " Jews in Recovery " > [JACS] is not a recovery > > meeting program, it's mostly a website of Jewish > apologists for AA -- > > " try to stay serene when others say Christian > prayers such as the > > " Lord's Prayer " and when they say things that > might be considered > > insensitive to Jews " --) > > > > I don't remember where I saw the list of all > the 12-step clone > > groups, but I remember being particularly startled > by Diabetics > > Anonymous -- does confessing " moral defects " to a > doorknob alleviate > > diabetes? Do diabetics want to do this?? -- and > Phobics Anonymous > (How > > would someone with agoraphobia get out to a > meeting? and if they did, > > wouldn't that be a sign they're no longer > phobic?). > > > > ~Rita > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sneezing, wheezing, trouble breathing? If you have > allergies or asthma, or > want to breathe happier and healthier, we can help. > Visit gazoontite.com > for the products, information and services you need > to breathe easier. > http://click./1/396/1/_/4324/_/946659852 > > eGroups.com Home: > /group/12-step-free/ > - Simplifying group > communications > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 " hector arroyo " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10837 > Apple: > > You got me. Here's the correction. > > Does anyone know if I missed any A's in the 4th step? There are I believe over 100 12-step fellowships; I can name 5 - SLAA, SAA, SCA, SOA, SA dealing with sex alone! There is even a " Prostitutes Anonymous " apparently. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 ben bradley wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10867 > At 04:11 PM 12/30/99 -0800, Mike May wrote: > >Yes there is a group for sex addicts. SAA " original eh " > >I saw a site somewhere that lists all 150, I'll try and find it again for > you. > >Mike > >At 10:55 AM 12/30/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >>is there a group for sex addicts? > > There's Sex Addicts Anonymous, and also SLAA, Sex and Love Addicts > Anonymous. There may be more " sex addiction " related 12-step groups, > but I recall reading about those two on the Fidonet Recovery echo, > eight or ten years ago. One (I don't remember which) is 'reasonable' in > comparison to most 12-step programs - another is openly Christ-based, > and their definition of " addictive sexual behavior " is anything other > than intercourse between a married couple. And yes, that means they > consider masturbation to be " addictive " for " sex addicts " . Both SLAA and SAA are fairly reasonable, particualraly the former. The really whacko one is Saxaholics Anonymous (SA) which although not *openly* Xtian, was founded and is effectively run by Roy K., who has apparently become a priest. It is homophobic and no-masturbation as you describe, and I have heard that Roy K. has now decided that even sex within marriage is compulsive, and that SA members are supposed to be totally sex abstinent. I think SA is a brilliant example of how the early AA was and still is at its heart, with its manifest hypocrisy; I was vigorously encouraged to stay despite being in a non-marital sexual relationship - how on earth could I compromise that with their cranky views unless I cocnverted and end ended the relationship (marriage was not practicable at that time). The group included several attractive women, and I thought it was rather a shame that they had become nun-like. They sometimes wore fairly short skirts and one absolutely edible one used to wear a body-hugging tracksuit. She used to worry if it were ok to kiss her dates, and said she would write to American SA to find out! Eventually she went over their where they berated her for the tracksuit, and afterward she used to appear draped like a Taliban woman. What a shame. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 " jim hankins " wrote: > There's also SLAA (Sex & Love) and SA (Sexaholics). I think SA is for > flashers, peepers and their ilk. Anyone who does anything remotely like fun! P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 " railroad rita " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10882 > I don't remember where I saw the list of all the 12-step clone > groups, but I remember being particularly startled by Diabetics > Anonymous -- does confessing " moral defects " to a doorknob alleviate > diabetes? Do diabetics want to do this?? -- and Phobics Anonymous (How > would someone with agoraphobia get out to a meeting? and if they did, > wouldn't that be a sign they're no longer phobic?). 12-step groups for non-addictions are quite common. Thereis even an Impotence Anonymous. Im not actually sure its 12-step, but anyone choosing that name, especially in the US, must know how many ppl will assume it is 12-step - qhich suggests that it actually IS 12-step. The fact that I have seen someone talk abt IA on TV without mentioning it is a step group means nothing of course - decpetion is SOP in the grouper world. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 " railroad rita " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10882 > > This appears to be a list of recovery groups in general, not > limited to 12-step. (Notice SMART, WFS, and some standard-Christian > groups are listed. Also, " Jews in Recovery " [JACS] is not a recovery > meeting program, it's mostly a website of Jewish apologists for AA -- > " try to stay serene when others say Christian prayers such as the > " Lord's Prayer " and when they say things that might be considered > insensitive to Jews " --) Gee, you mean just because their loving and benevolent HP plans to burn you all in Hell for eternity, that might have a negative effect on your serenity? Knock me over with a feather! I wonder what the Xian god did with all those Jews Adolf Eichmann gassed. They may wish they were back in Buchenwald now. > > I don't remember where I saw the list of all the 12-step clone > groups, but I remember being particularly startled by Diabetics > Anonymous -- does confessing " moral defects " to a doorknob alleviate > diabetes? Do diabetics want to do this?? Maybe they sit around and feel guilty for all that sugar they ate. I saw there was also a Cancer Anonymous. No way I'm going near that site. I'm postal enough already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 michael kraemer wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10885 > bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in that > group..old experienced males spot a new female member? > Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too, > experienced female predators, etc)... > , you're giving me evil thoughts. I'd like to meet some experience female predators. If I went to one of those meeings, how would I present myself as the ideal victim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 michael kraemer wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10885 > bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in that > group..old experienced males spot a new female member? > Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too, > experienced female predators, etc)... Not my experience of SA in the UK or SAA. [The latter is mostly gay men (including a couple of closeted priests), very few women at all]. SLAA? Well I had a relationship with someone I met in OA that I introduced to SLAA - but it was a respectful relationship, not preying - and besides, she hunted me too! I remember that one guy hit a lot on the women, which bugged a few ppl, but I dont think anyone did anything. Myself, I dont necessarily see anything wrong with it if one treats the other person always with nohesty and respect - a little bit of healthy sexual romance in all that neuorosis seems like a good thing. Many of us called ourselves " sex anorexics " . One Maerican girl thought it very funny as it was " so British " . I think it was her whose father got a " priests' disease " of infection in the testicles caused by stagnant sememn through not ever ejaculating. I wonder if SA may actually be dangerous for men at least, in that ejaculation is a natural function and never doing so at all makes one susceptible to the Clerics' Complaint! P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 , most of the diseases you listed below are already covered by Media Anonymous. I'm serious. As far as Men With Wives Who Make Them Take Out the Trash, they can join NO MA'AM (National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood), founded by Al Bundy. michael kraemer wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10886 > thanks I was curious...lets see what else could there > be? > soap operas anonymous > > internet anonymous > > Stern anonymous (for dealing with shame of > being a Stern fan..I struggle with this > sometimes) > > Reading the national enquirer anonymous (could be > expanded to: reading trashy periodicals anonymous) > > dirty car and messy room anonymous (shamefully I > revert to this behavior from time to time..think I > need a group for this) > > NFL and NBA Anonymous (could expand to NCAA > anonymous...big addiction to basketball problem here > in Indiana) > > Careless Drivers anonymous - recovery from the painful > process of forgetting to get your oil changed when > you're supposed to. > > Parents of kids who run around and make a lot of noise > support group. > > Men whose wives make them take out the Trash United > > People who really don't give a shit who becomes > president anonymous > > Men who occasionally sneak a peek at playboy at new > stands anonymous. > > " Cherry Masters " gambling recovery group > > Getting in touch with your inner sissy groups > > Men who can't fix appliances...and the women who love > them family support groups. > > etc. etc. etc. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 michael kraemer wrote: > internet anonymous I think this does exist! > > dirty car and messy room anonymous (shamefully I > revert to this behavior from time to time..think I > need a group for this) Does exist - clutterers' anonymous! > Parents of kids who run around and make a lot of noise > support group. These days they call it ADD/HD - bound to be a step group for it. > > Men whose wives make them take out the Trash United Lots of " Wild Man " stuff around now. > Men who occasionally sneak a peek at playboy at new > stands anonymous. " Acting Out " in sex addict groups. > > Getting in touch with your inner sissy groups Transsexuals anonymous > > Men who can't fix appliances...and the women who love > them family support groups. Ive heard of " Women who bake too much " - only a halk-joke I think. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Oh my God... Lip Balm Anonymous!!!!! Note that they are looking for a *genetic* basis to lip balm addiction, even though they know there is no evidence for it! P. appledt-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10888 > The official wacky list is here: > http://www.bcrecovernet.org/belief/wacky_world.htm > Notice Jim K's Church of God anonymous leads the pack. > apple > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 All these spin off groups are just a way of bringing people with common issues together. The steps are totally irrelevent to the friggin issue, but most people, the newcomers especially have no idea that the steps were just thrown in with a couple of words changed, so it could be an anonymous program. Then they anguish away over the powerlessness & moral???? inventory. Apple > 12-step groups for non-addictions are quite common. Thereis even an > Impotence Anonymous. Im not actually sure its 12-step, but anyone > choosing that name, especially in the US, must know how many ppl will > assume it is 12-step - qhich suggests that it actually IS 12-step. The > fact that I have seen someone talk abt IA on TV without mentioning it > is a step group means nothing of course - decpetion is SOP in the > grouper world. > > P. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 You could stuff large bills in your pockets and have them hanging out ever so slightly. Or when the basket is passed, pull out a large wad with ones in the center and hundreds and a couple of ones on the outside. But it may be cheaper to just go to Vegas. Apple > , you're giving me evil thoughts. I'd like to meet some > experience female predators. If I went to one of those meeings, how > would I present myself as the ideal victim? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 michael kraemer wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10891 > know what you mean,I need some female predators in my > life I remember being a bit pisssed that no OA women appeared to want to exploit me sexually. Ironically, my sponsor warned me abt Bill B., the OA equivalent of BIll W., as a womanizer and money grabber, including breaking Bill B.'s anonymity. In the end the only person who fucked me was that sponsor, for money to go thru his rehab. Actually, some women did have an interest (including one who went to SA). One went ape and started acting like a stalker when she found out I had a gf. fortunately, her way of dealing with it was to sever contact - but she could easily have gone the other way and been a stalker for real. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 I knew a few fellows that belonged to an A.A. Group. They practiced total celibacy. Unfortunately they talked about their misdeeds in a monotone voice and never faced The issues behind their actions. The main one being that they were sexually abused As children. That doesn't give a person the right to abuse another either, but it does Leave a person with those thoughts and requires a lot of psychiatric care. My personal Feeling about step programs is quit similar to the views on the AA deprogramming page, Which was my conformation others felt the same way as me. The Big Book could have been Written in a concise short form. Get honest with yourself, get out of denial, and get yourself Some damn good professional help. Find a few good friends that will offer support, and start living. Have a good New year everyone. Mike At 07:19 AM 12/31/1999 -0800, you wrote: >bet there is a lot of screwing around going on in that >group..old experienced males spot a new female member? >Fresh meat! (probably the reverse is true too, >experienced female predators, etc)... > >--- Railroad Rita wrote: >> mike may wrote: >> original >> >article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10865 >> >> > Yes there is a group for sex addicts. SAA >> " original eh " >> > >> > Mike >> ------------------------- >> >> Our own Pete Watts has told us a lot about the >> two " sex addicts " >> 12-step groups. They actually use ludicrous >> terminology like " sexual >> sobriety " and have rigidly defined (and very >> arbitrary) definitions of >> " acceptable " sexuality. >> >> ~Rita >> >> >> > At 10:55 AM 12/30/1999 -0800, you wrote: >> > >is there a group for sex addicts? >> > > >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Sneezing, wheezing, trouble breathing? If you have >> allergies or asthma, or >> want to breathe happier and healthier, we can help. >> Visit gazoontite.com >> for the products, information and services you need >> to breathe easier. >> http://click./1/396/1/_/4324/_/946643833 >> >> -- Create a poll/survey for your group! >> -- >> >/vote?listname=12-step-free & m=1 >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 At 11:28 AM 12/31/99 -0800, Jim Hankins wrote: > " railroad rita " wrote: >original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10882 >> I don't remember where I saw the list of all the 12-step clone >> groups, but I remember being particularly startled by Diabetics >> Anonymous -- does confessing " moral defects " to a doorknob alleviate >> diabetes? Do diabetics want to do this?? > >Maybe they sit around and feel guilty for all that sugar they ate. I >saw there was also a Cancer Anonymous. No way I'm going near that site. >I'm postal enough already. I wonder if these are really 12-step. Years ago I heard of a group called Impotence Anonymous, which only uses the 'Anonymous' name, but not any of the steps or dogma. I could hardly imagine it if if DID use the 12 steps. ----- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Jesus! I was just making stuff up. te Watts wrote: > michael kraemer wrote: > > > internet anonymous > > I think this does exist! > > > > > dirty car and messy room anonymous (shamefully I > > revert to this behavior from time to time..think I > > need a group for this) > > Does exist - clutterers' anonymous! > > > Parents of kids who run around and make a lot of > noise > > support group. > > These days they call it ADD/HD - bound to be a step > group for it. > > > > Men whose wives make them take out the Trash > United > > Lots of " Wild Man " stuff around now. > > > Men who occasionally sneak a peek at playboy at > new > > stands anonymous. > > " Acting Out " in sex addict groups. > > > > > Getting in touch with your inner sissy groups > > Transsexuals anonymous > > > > Men who can't fix appliances...and the women who > love > > them family support groups. > > Ive heard of " Women who bake too much " - only a > halk-joke I think. > > P. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sneezing, wheezing, trouble breathing? If you have > allergies or asthma, or > want to breathe happier and healthier, we can help. > Visit gazoontite.com > for the products, information and services you need > to breathe easier. > http://click./1/396/1/_/4324/_/946670852 > > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- > /vote?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 internet anonymous does exist. i heard about it for first time about 4 years ago. people who have lost control of thier abilty to manage how much time they spend on internet. they also claim its a disease, based on idea thier brains are addicted to internal chemical reactions in thier brains. i think GA claims same thing. the following was in Washington post sports section on gambling as a disease. the writer has keen insight. Placing Too Many Bets Is Nothing More Than a Gamble By Beyer Wednesday, February 10, 1999; Page D01 The announcer at the Meadowlands harness track is suing his employer for failing to accommodate his disability. That disability, he says, is his addiction to gambling. As reported in yesterday's newspapers, Bothe gambled recklessly in the past and amassed heavy debts. Seven years ago he reformed his life, quit betting and joined Gamblers Anonymous, although he continued to work at the track. In December, the Meadowlands management asked him to appear on its in-house television program and analyze the card each night. Bothe refused, saying that handicapping the races would rekindle his gambling compulsion. " As an announcer, I've been able to put the gambling out of my life, " Bothe told the New York Post. " But hosting a handicapping show would be like telling a bartender who's a recovering alcoholic that not only did he have to serve drinks, but now he had to taste each one. " Maybe it isn't a good idea for a recovering alcoholic to be working in a bar in the first place. But Bothe managed to work for many years at the Meadowlands, and to pass by the betting windows every day, without lapsing into his old bad habits. The notion seems rather preposterous that he will suffer a fatal loss of self-control and ruin his life if he tells a TV audience, " I like numbers 1, 5 and 7 in the first-race exacta. " Yet psychiatrists, psychologists and leaders of Gamblers Anonymous insist that compulsive gambling is an irresistible addiction that the individual is virtually powerless to combat. In " When Luck Runs Out, " a study of gambling, Custer and Harry Milt write: " The compulsive gambler cannot stop, no matter how much he wants to . . . even though he may think he can. He has lost control. The impulse to gamble is so overpowering . . . that he is unable to resist it. " This premise is regularly accepted in newspaper and television accounts of people who have wrecked their lives by gambling. They are regularly described as victims. When pro quarterback Art Schlichter made headlines because of his heavy gambling losses, he was said to be suffering from psychiatrically certified " pathological gambling. " If a person such as Schlichter ruins his life by gambling, the theory goes, he certainly couldn't have done so deliberately. Therefore, he must have something in his makeup that he can't control. But no scientific proof exists to support this theory. " There is no biochemical explanation for compulsive gambling, " said Lee Weinberg, director of the criminal justice program at the University of Pittsburgh. " You might argue that there's a rush associated with gambling and that some people are not able to resist that rush, but it's hard to see that as a disease. I find the explanations offered for compulsive gambling very troubling and unpersuasive. Although it's hard to understand why people would ruin their lives and lose their homes, it's hard to believe that these people are all suffering from some disorder. " I have probably observed the behavior of more gamblers than most members of the American Psychiatric Association, and I too doubt the premise that bettors who get themselves in deep trouble are ones suffering from some uncontrollable disorder. The people who turn into problem gamblers aren't much different from the rest of us. Gamblers Anonymous publishes a 20-question test to identify potential compulsive gamblers, and just about everybody I know at the racetrack would flunk it. The questions include: Have you ever felt remorse after gambling? After you win, do you have a strong urge to return and win more? Do you ever gamble longer than you've planned? To each of these questions, I'd answer, " Of course, " and so would every bettor. Moreover, almost every bettor has experienced the darker side of gambling, panicked when he is losing and desperately bet more in an effort to recoup his losses. Some of them keep chasing their losses until they do substantial damage to their lives/behavior that deserves to be described as foolish or irresponsible. But at this point the psychiatrists step in and say these gamblers have a disease. It's a self-serving conclusion. With compulsive gambling officially classified as a disease, the psychiatrists and counselors can receive insurance money and funding to treat it and study it. The gamblers who have acted irresponsibly are let off the hook, and see themselves as victims. Vatz, a professor at Towson University who is a critic of psychiatry, notes one glaring logical flaw in the whole theory of the gambling illness. " You don't find winners labeled as compulsive gamblers. You don't find people who get rich speculating in the stock market described as compulsive gamblers. They have to be engaged in particular types of activities and they have to lose. And when they do lose, we label these people as 'diseased' and it takes away responsibility for their choice of action. " Vatz concluded: " [The concept of] pathological gambling is a sham which is not only invalid, but it hurts those so labeled. " The majority of us gamblers share this opinion and look with pity on people such as Bothe who portray themselves as helpless victims of a disability. We just call them bad bettors. © Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company michael kraemer wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10933 > Jesus! I was just making stuff up. > > te Watts wrote: > > michael kraemer wrote: > > > > > internet anonymous > > > > I think this does exist! > > > > > > > > dirty car and messy room anonymous (shamefully I > > > revert to this behavior from time to time..think I > > > need a group for this) > > > > Does exist - clutterers' anonymous! > > > > > Parents of kids who run around and make a lot of > > noise > > > support group. > > > > These days they call it ADD/HD - bound to be a step > > group for it. > > > > > > Men whose wives make them take out the Trash > > United > > > > Lots of " Wild Man " stuff around now. > > > > > Men who occasionally sneak a peek at playboy at > > new > > > stands anonymous. > > > > " Acting Out " in sex addict groups. > > > > > > > > Getting in touch with your inner sissy groups > > > > Transsexuals anonymous > > > > > > Men who can't fix appliances...and the women who > > love > > > them family support groups. > > > > Ive heard of " Women who bake too much " - only a > > halk-joke I think. > > > > P. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Well that's it guys, I'm starting IMSMS anonymous, It's my soap my shower and I'll wash it as fast as I want anonymous. An I don't even want to go there, forwhat steps we took to recover. Mike M At 11:21 AM 12/31/1999 -0800, you wrote: > " jim hankins " wrote: > >> There's also SLAA (Sex & Love) and SA (Sexaholics). I think SA is for >> flashers, peepers and their ilk. > >Anyone who does anything remotely like fun! > >P. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Sneezing, wheezing, trouble breathing? If you have allergies or asthma, or >want to breathe happier and healthier, we can help. Visit gazoontite.com >for the products, information and services you need to breathe easier. >http://click./1/396/1/_/4324/_/946668142 > >-- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! >-- /cal?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Lol Now you see what I was talking about when I said I got a hoot out of seeing how many there were. Re: tell me what you think Jesus! I was just making stuff up. te Watts wrote: > michael kraemer wrote: > > > internet anonymous > > I think this does exist! > > > > > dirty car and messy room anonymous (shamefully I > > revert to this behavior from time to time..think I > > need a group for this) > > Does exist - clutterers' anonymous! > > > Parents of kids who run around and make a lot of > noise > > support group. > > These days they call it ADD/HD - bound to be a step > group for it. > > > > Men whose wives make them take out the Trash > United > > Lots of " Wild Man " stuff around now. > > > Men who occasionally sneak a peek at playboy at > new > > stands anonymous. > > " Acting Out " in sex addict groups. > > > > > Getting in touch with your inner sissy groups > > Transsexuals anonymous > > > > Men who can't fix appliances...and the women who > love > > them family support groups. > > Ive heard of " Women who bake too much " - only a > halk-joke I think. > > P. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sneezing, wheezing, trouble breathing? If you have > allergies or asthma, or > want to breathe happier and healthier, we can help. > Visit gazoontite.com > for the products, information and services you need > to breathe easier. > http://click./1/396/1/_/4324/_/946670852 > > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- > /vote?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Ben: That's kind of why I asked for help with the list. There are so many groups out there but not all of them are 12 step based, So I only listed the ones I knew were based on 12 stepism. Re: tell me what you think I wonder if these are really 12-step. Years ago I heard of a group called Impotence Anonymous, which only uses the 'Anonymous' name, but not any of the steps or dogma. I could hardly imagine it if if DID use the 12 steps. ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Now theres on I like, Impotence Anonymous, Hi my name is soandso, I'm an impotent person. Take the steps where ever you want from there, and no viagra, we dont believe in any kind of drug use. Mike M At 11:28 AM 12/31/1999 -0800, you wrote: > " railroad rita " wrote: >original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=10882 > >> I don't remember where I saw the list of all the 12-step clone >> groups, but I remember being particularly startled by Diabetics >> Anonymous -- does confessing " moral defects " to a doorknob alleviate >> diabetes? Do diabetics want to do this?? -- and Phobics Anonymous >(How >> would someone with agoraphobia get out to a meeting? and if they did, >> wouldn't that be a sign they're no longer phobic?). > >12-step groups for non-addictions are quite common. Thereis even an >Impotence Anonymous. Im not actually sure its 12-step, but anyone >choosing that name, especially in the US, must know how many ppl will >assume it is 12-step - qhich suggests that it actually IS 12-step. The >fact that I have seen someone talk abt IA on TV without mentioning it >is a step group means nothing of course - decpetion is SOP in the >grouper world. > >P. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Sneezing, wheezing, trouble breathing? If you have allergies or asthma, or >want to breathe happier and healthier, we can help. Visit gazoontite.com >for the products, information and services you need to breathe easier. >http://click./1/396/1/_/4324/_/946668596 > >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! >-- /vote?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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