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Thanks Fiona that sounds like a book I really need and I'm part Christian too so

that works for me also. Safe People....yep, it would be really really nice.

Repetition compulsion ain't fun.

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> There's a great book called " Safe People: How to Find Relationships That Are

Good for You and Avoid Those That Aren't " by Henry Cloud and Townsend.

(the authors are Christians but maybe you could take the meat and spit out the

bones? the advice is excellent. your post reminded me of it.)

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Karla, that's awful about that pastor's wife, wow! That type of situation would

have devastated me hitting huge triggers. So sorry that happened - I can

imagine that's the absolute last thing you needed.

What you said here

" I have to remember that the truth I have come to see is the exact truth that

will bring down many people's own house of cards. They simply can't go there. "

is very deep. I think to heal as KO's we have to deal with a lot of dark

material in ourselves and about others. Things that even in healthier

relationships most people gloss over and shove under the carpet...and if the

lump under the carpet isn't too big the strategy works okay. Until we come

along talking about things like what's under the carpet. Like the idea a

mother could not perfectly love her child, even harm them, even try to ruin

their adult life....forbidden!

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> > > > A huge trigger for me is people not understanding me. Especially not

understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be smaller than they are or

nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm stupid. And this happens a lot

almost every time I try to seek help on issues about my FOO except on this board

you guys seem to get it. I struggle with a reaction of anger toward these

misunderstanding people and I know in my heart that they usually do mean well.

That the issues are often hard for me to convey clearly or maybe they don't have

the experience to understand them. But still when it happens I'm left feeling

thrown back to how it was when I was a kid, worse than alone. As you can guess

I got triggered today. I'll work through it but thanks for reading and you all

being here.

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Henry Clouds book Boundaries was also a good one that helped me a lot !! I

had no idea I could actually say NO to nada !!

Jackie

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> There's a great book called " Safe People: How to Find Relationships That

> Are Good for You and Avoid Those That Aren't " by Henry Cloud and

> Townsend. (the authors are Christians but maybe you could take the meat

> and spit out the bones? the advice is excellent. your post reminded me of

> it.)

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Fiona, you are so right it is a deep hurt that is triggered by what would be a

rude annoying behavior. Maybe if someone didn't have a KO background they could

brush it off, but what it means to us...is big. Sounds like your kids are very

lucky :)

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> > A huge trigger for me is people not understanding me. Especially not

understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be smaller than they are or

nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm stupid. And this happens a lot

almost every time I try to seek help on issues about my FOO except on this board

you guys seem to get it. I struggle with a reaction of anger toward these

misunderstanding people and I know in my heart that they usually do mean well.

That the issues are often hard for me to convey clearly or maybe they don't have

the experience to understand them. But still when it happens I'm left feeling

thrown back to how it was when I was a kid, worse than alone. As you can guess

I got triggered today. I'll work through it but thanks for reading and you all

being here.

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Karla - YES! When they cling to deliberate " misunderstanding " because they just

can't bring themselves to communicate - or they can't disengage from their other

agenda (like your pastor's wife), that is crazy-making. And this: " they HAVE to

cling to their own dysfunctional reality, no matter how many facts interfere. "

So true, and very funny! The facts are so... inconvenient!

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> > > > A huge trigger for me is people not understanding me. Especially not

understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be smaller than they are or

nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm stupid. And this happens a lot

almost every time I try to seek help on issues about my FOO except on this board

you guys seem to get it. I struggle with a reaction of anger toward these

misunderstanding people and I know in my heart that they usually do mean well.

That the issues are often hard for me to convey clearly or maybe they don't have

the experience to understand them. But still when it happens I'm left feeling

thrown back to how it was when I was a kid, worse than alone. As you can guess

I got triggered today. I'll work through it but thanks for reading and you all

being here.

> > > >

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yep, we do have to deal with a lot of dark stuff out there, i agree.. as well as

what is inside..  our culture that tends to worship 'perfect' mothers (and

fathers) will not tolerate much talk of such dark stuff as what's under the rug.

  people just don't want to hear it.. that people can be so cruel to their

children.  the level of tolerance for such suffering of innocents is just too

painful for a lot of people to wrap their minds around.  so they deny, deny.  

my brother still to this day denies and insists his whole family along with him

denies what i have to say about what i experienced at the hands of nada and

fada.. he is simply too invested in having an image of a perfect set of parents.

yet his extreme reaction i think gives away his real feelings, still buried

under the rug.  that is why this group is so valuable for listening and

validation, what we simply cannot get very readily anywhere else.  

blessings in healing, ann

Subject: Re: being misunderstood

To: WTOAdultChildren1

Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 4:07 PM

 

Karla, that's awful about that pastor's wife, wow! That type of situation

would have devastated me hitting huge triggers. So sorry that happened - I can

imagine that's the absolute last thing you needed.

What you said here

" I have to remember that the truth I have come to see is the exact truth that

will bring down many people's own house of cards. They simply can't go there. "

is very deep. I think to heal as KO's we have to deal with a lot of dark

material in ourselves and about others. Things that even in healthier

relationships most people gloss over and shove under the carpet...and if the

lump under the carpet isn't too big the strategy works okay. Until we come

along talking about things like what's under the carpet. Like the idea a

mother could not perfectly love her child, even harm them, even try to ruin

their adult life....forbidden!

> > > >

> > > > A huge trigger for me is people not understanding me. Especially not

understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be smaller than they are or

nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm stupid. And this happens a lot

almost every time I try to seek help on issues about my FOO except on this board

you guys seem to get it. I struggle with a reaction of anger toward these

misunderstanding people and I know in my heart that they usually do mean well.

That the issues are often hard for me to convey clearly or maybe they don't have

the experience to understand them. But still when it happens I'm left feeling

thrown back to how it was when I was a kid, worse than alone. As you can guess

I got triggered today. I'll work through it but thanks for reading and you all

being here.

> > > >

> > > >

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i agree again, the churches i have gone to are not generally places where you

can talk about any kind of 'dark' stuff.. people there are into putting on their

'best' faces towards others and some are even into taking others' inventories

(as they say in 12-step) and not their own.  i find myself hiding most of

myself at church except with a special few.. and they are wonderful.  it is a

shame because you would think that they could be a place of acceptance and

healing, as Jesus did when he walked the earth.  well, as they say church is

for sinners.. and all of us do fall short after all.

Subject: Re: Re: being misunderstood

To: WTOAdultChildren1

Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 4:25 PM

 

I hope I don't get nasty emails for saying this, but some of the least

understanding people I have come across have been at church. I go to a baptist

church but have been to assembly of god and methodist too. I have just

learned not to discuss things with them (which is kinda sad since they should

be the most supportive you'd find somewhere), but I got burned a few times

too. I was told I was demon possessed and not praying enough when I told my

pastor's wife I was DID. My associate pastor's wife, nicest lady ever. The

others, not so much.

In a message dated 3/29/2010 5:11:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

climberkayak@ yahoo.com writes:

Karla, that's awful about that pastor's wife, wow! That type of situation

would have devastated me hitting huge triggers. So sorry that happened - I

can imagine that's the absolute last thing you needed.

What you said here

" I have to remember that the truth I have come to see is the exact truth

that will bring down many people's own house of cards. They simply can't go

there. "

is very deep. I think to heal as KO's we have to deal with a lot of dark

material in ourselves and about others. Things that even in healthier

relationships most people gloss over and shove under the carpet...and if the

lump

under the carpet isn't too big the strategy works okay. Until we come

along talking about things like what's under the carpet. Like the idea a mother

could not perfectly love her child, even harm them, even try to ruin their

adult life....forbidden!

> > > >

> > > > A huge trigger for me is people not understanding me. Especially

not understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be smaller than

they are or nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm stupid. And this happens

a lot almost every time I try to seek help on issues about my FOO except

on this board you guys seem to get it. I struggle with a reaction of anger

toward these misunderstanding people and I know in my heart that they

usually do mean well. That the issues are often hard for me to convey clearly

or

maybe they don't have the experience to understand them. But still when it

happens I'm left feeling thrown back to how it was when I was a kid, worse

than alone. As you can guess I got triggered today. I'll work through it but

thanks for reading and you all being here.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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Bingo! Same thing with me, . Being misunderstood triggers the " why aren't

they hearing me? they are judging me incorrectly!! " thing in me, which launches

me right into frustration and anger. Here are my observations and my " tools "

for trying to get a handle on that emotional trigger:

Communication is really hard. The fact that we can even *seem* like we're

understanding each other is actually pretty amazing, given the internal

" dictionaries " and meaning/intentionality words have for each of us. I also

observe that-- particularly with oral communication: people aren't very good at

hearing; you simply have to be repetitive sometimes-- which was another major

pet peeve for me.

I have been working really hard to come from a place of quiet confidence in my

communication--and less " splitting " , i.e. less " black/white " , in which case,

it's not a huge deal when people don't understand. In any communication event

there are at least two possibilities: (1) maybe I am wrong--and that's not

really a big deal and really--I want/need to know that, or (2) they don't

understand what I'm trying to say, so I have to calmly try a different way to

try to explain my point. My anger and frustration only makes it worse for

everyone, but mostly me.

It's really challenging for me to *not* become impatient ( " What the heck's the

matter with these people?! Why don't they understand? OMG it must be me.

What's the matter with me?! " ) It helps me to think that, hey, sometimes I don't

fully understand what someone's trying to tell me. Doesn't make me stupid.

Doesn't make these folks stupid or hateful when they don't understand me.

In other words, I consciously try to stop judging---both myself and others.

It's like a giant weight comes off me; it depersonalizes the situation into:

" we're all just trying to reach mutual understanding. "

Hypothesis: because my FOO communication was fraught with judgment [from nada],

I tend to project those characteristics onto others, thus tripping the emotional

trigger. When I stop and think, " these people are not hateful people, they're

trying to understand me. What can i do differently to communicate my point? "

Heck, even if they are unpleasant or have personality disorders, who cares, I

focus on the task at hand: am I wrong--do I need additional information? can I

try a different approach? or does it really matter? and I let it go with the

quiet confidence that things will work out.

I've noticed an amazing change when I apply this technique successfully--esp. in

a work environment. I'm 200x more effective. More than once I've thought, " Hey

wow--I was actually right and folks agree with me! " Even after a bumpy first

attempt at communicating something.

Sharing this in the hopes it's helpful. But probably it's incoherent gibberish

given my weirdo internal dictionary! ;)

-l

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> A huge trigger for me is people not understanding me. Especially not

understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be smaller than they are or

nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm stupid. And this happens a lot

almost every time I try to seek help on issues about my FOO except on this board

you guys seem to get it. I struggle with a reaction of anger toward these

misunderstanding people and I know in my heart that they usually do mean well.

That the issues are often hard for me to convey clearly or maybe they don't have

the experience to understand them. But still when it happens I'm left feeling

thrown back to how it was when I was a kid, worse than alone. As you can guess

I got triggered today. I'll work through it but thanks for reading and you all

being here.

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Yes, I agree. I've recently had conversations with some of my good friends

from church about this...that often there are people there that are so

judgemental of others. I was told by my own pastor, " I can't help you..you're

way over my head " after my suicide attempt in 2007. : ( It made me feel so

bad. I mean, if my pastor can't help me, who can? That pastor has since left

and there is a much more compassionate one in the pulpit now.

In a message dated 3/29/2010 10:55:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

annletters2@... writes:

i agree again, the churches i have gone to are not generally places where

you can talk about any kind of 'dark' stuff.. people there are into putting

on their 'best' faces towards others and some are even into taking others'

inventories (as they say in 12-step) and not their own. i find myself

hiding most of myself at church except with a special few.. and they are

wonderful. it is a shame because you would think that they could be a place of

acceptance and healing, as Jesus did when he walked the earth. well, as

they say church is for sinners.. and all of us do fall short after all.

From: _Hummingbird1298@Humming_ (mailto:Hummingbird1298@...)

<_Hummingbird1298@Humming_ (mailto:Hummingbird1298@...) >

Subject: Re: Re: being misunderstood

To: _WTOAdultChildren1@WTOAdultChilWTO_

(mailto:WTOAdultChildren1 )

Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 4:25 PM

I hope I don't get nasty emails for saying this, but some of the least

understanding people I have come across have been at church. I go to a

baptist

church but have been to assembly of god and methodist too. I have just

learned not to discuss things with them (which is kinda sad since they

should

be the most supportive you'd find somewhere), but I got burned a few times

too. I was told I was demon possessed and not praying enough when I told

my

pastor's wife I was DID. My associate pastor's wife, nicest lady ever. The

others, not so much.

In a message dated 3/29/2010 5:11:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

climberkayak@ yahoo.com writes:

Karla, that's awful about that pastor's wife, wow! That type of situation

would have devastated me hitting huge triggers. So sorry that happened - I

can imagine that's the absolute last thing you needed.

What you said here

" I have to remember that the truth I have come to see is the exact truth

that will bring down many people's own house of cards. They simply can't

go

there. "

is very deep. I think to heal as KO's we have to deal with a lot of dark

material in ourselves and about others. Things that even in healthier

relationships most people gloss over and shove under the carpet...and if

the lump

under the carpet isn't too big the strategy works okay. Until we come

along talking about things like what's under the carpet. Like the idea a

mother

could not perfectly love her child, even harm them, even try to ruin their

adult life....forbidden!

> > > >

> > > > A huge trigger for me is people not understanding me. Especially

not understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be smaller than

they are or nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm stupid. And this

happens

a lot almost every time I try to seek help on issues about my FOO except

on this board you guys seem to get it. I struggle with a reaction of anger

toward these misunderstanding people and I know in my heart that they

usually do mean well. That the issues are often hard for me to convey

clearly or

maybe they don't have the experience to understand them. But still when it

happens I'm left feeling thrown back to how it was when I was a kid, worse

than alone. As you can guess I got triggered today. I'll work through it

but

thanks for reading and you all being here.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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oh, I totally agree with you !! I was involved in religion for a while, but

the people I encountered were very closed minded and very judgmental !!

the exact opposite of what religion is supposed to teach

Jackie

I hope I don't get nasty emails for saying this, but some of the least

understanding people I have come across have been at church. I go to a

baptist

church but have been to assembly of god and methodist too. I have just

learned not to discuss things with them (which is kinda sad since they

should

be the most supportive you'd find somewhere), but I got burned a few times

too. I was told I was demon possessed and not praying enough when I told my

pastor's wife I was DID. My associate pastor's wife, nicest lady ever. The

others, not so much.

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, that's really horrible about that minister's response to you - demon

possessed? Religion is a tricky thing - I'm spiritual but I haven't had luck

being a part of a church community. I've adopted parts of the beliefs of more

than one religion so I have some experience with different ones. The problem

seems that people are still people when they gather together, for whatever the

reason. So if it's not safe to talk about your DID with a person at the mall

it's also not safe with a person at your church. They just don't have the

mental health education or background. There's less excuse for the pastor

though because it his *job* to be there for his flock or if he can't to know

where to refer you. That said I do sometimes hear about wonderful congregations

who have deep caring for members who fall on hard times. Maybe it's worth it to

keep looking and find one with a different type of group spirit? Anywho, very

sorry that happened to you - it is a major trigger to have the ones who are

supposed to be of aid cause more harm.

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> oh, I totally agree with you !! I was involved in religion for a while, but

> the people I encountered were very closed minded and very judgmental !!

> the exact opposite of what religion is supposed to teach

>

> Jackie

>

>

>

> I hope I don't get nasty emails for saying this, but some of the least

> understanding people I have come across have been at church. I go to a

> baptist

> church but have been to assembly of god and methodist too. I have just

> learned not to discuss things with them (which is kinda sad since they

> should

> be the most supportive you'd find somewhere), but I got burned a few times

> too. I was told I was demon possessed and not praying enough when I told my

> pastor's wife I was DID. My associate pastor's wife, nicest lady ever. The

> others, not so much.

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You will get no nasty emails from me. Unfortunately, church culture has become

one of " codependence in the name of Jesus. " I think people are well-meaning,

but as a group have come to this strange place, of thinking hardship in life =

against what is " right " with God.

Um . . .has anyone read the Bible on this subject???? This kind of thing,

mother against daughter, is right in there as something to be expected.

I am planning to start Seminary in a few months. And I sense, as I move forward

in the ministry, that part of my calling is to speak about this craziness.

Church should be safe. And wow do we miss the mark with many people.

Thanks for bringing this up--I'm sure you're not the only one!!

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> > > > > A huge trigger for me is people not understanding me. Especially

> not understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be smaller than

> they are or nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm stupid. And this

happens

> a lot almost every time I try to seek help on issues about my FOO except

> on this board you guys seem to get it. I struggle with a reaction of anger

> toward these misunderstanding people and I know in my heart that they

> usually do mean well. That the issues are often hard for me to convey clearly

or

> maybe they don't have the experience to understand them. But still when it

> happens I'm left feeling thrown back to how it was when I was a kid, worse

> than alone. As you can guess I got triggered today. I'll work through it but

> thanks for reading and you all being here.

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l-

I most vehemently and respectfully disagree with:

" But probably it's incoherent gibberish

given my weirdo internal dictionary! ;) "

Everything (before the last sentence) was the most clear and helpful commentary

I think I have ever read on the subject.

I know it is inappropriate to advise, and I will ask for a bit of grace on this.

But please don't cut yourself down like that. Especially not when you've been

so ***brilliant!!!***

Your comments were coherent strategies given from your solid internal place of

wisdom and kindness--both to yourself and others. And I, for one, was highly

served by them.

You deserve far better than that!!

Blessings,

Karla

> >

> > A huge trigger for me is people not understanding me. Especially not

understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be smaller than they are or

nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm stupid. And this happens a lot

almost every time I try to seek help on issues about my FOO except on this board

you guys seem to get it. I struggle with a reaction of anger toward these

misunderstanding people and I know in my heart that they usually do mean well.

That the issues are often hard for me to convey clearly or maybe they don't have

the experience to understand them. But still when it happens I'm left feeling

thrown back to how it was when I was a kid, worse than alone. As you can guess

I got triggered today. I'll work through it but thanks for reading and you all

being here.

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Absolutely, that was a really brilliant strategy - thank you for sharing

it! And I agree with Karla don't sell yourself short - there was no gibberish

in there *at all*. What you said about removing the judgment out of the

communication really spoke to me because it is true that when communication goes

wrong I instantly feel judged negatively somehow and that interferes with me

being effective from that point on. And with my nada negative judgment was

often there, but the world consists of way more types of people than her - thank

God.

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> > > A huge trigger for me is people not understanding me. Especially not

understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be smaller than they are or

nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm stupid. And this happens a lot

almost every time I try to seek help on issues about my FOO except on this board

you guys seem to get it. I struggle with a reaction of anger toward these

misunderstanding people and I know in my heart that they usually do mean well.

That the issues are often hard for me to convey clearly or maybe they don't have

the experience to understand them. But still when it happens I'm left feeling

thrown back to how it was when I was a kid, worse than alone. As you can guess

I got triggered today. I'll work through it but thanks for reading and you all

being here.

> > >

> > >

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I was offline for a few days and am catching up, so please forgive me if this

has been pointed out...

I think we (generally, as a world) tend to think (whether we realize it or not)

that all or most of the people in a church will be wonderful loving perfectly

supportive people. And then it shocks us when they turn out to be broken,

hurting, nonperfect people. That's part of why it tends to stand out

more...because we expect more of a church community than we would of say, a

pipefitters union. But the reality is...those groups are made up of all the

same kinds of people, some good some bad some stable some crazy, and so on.

Not every pastor is trained for full on counseling, particularly of more severe

issues. They get degrees in theology, not in psychology. While it may hurt to

have a pastor say " This is beyond my skill set " ...at least he's being honest.

He knows he isn't trained to be your therapist. A spiritual director, probably.

But not a therapist. Imagine the damage he could have done if he had

overestimated his abilities or denied his own limitations.

It is not unlike my own therapist explaining to me that she is not qualified to

be in the role of spiritual director when those issues come up. That's why I

have one of each.

Ninera

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> From: _Hummingbird1298@Humming_ (mailto:Hummingbird1298@...)   

> <_Hummingbird1298@Humming_ (mailto:Hummingbird1298@...)

> >

> Subject:  Re: Re: being

> misunderstood

> To: _WTOAdultChildren1@WTOAdultChilWTO_

> (mailto:WTOAdultChildren1 )

>

> Date:  Monday, March 29, 2010, 4:25 PM

>

>

>

> I hope I don't get nasty  emails for saying this, but

> some of the least

>

> understanding people I  have come across have been at

> church. I go to a

> baptist

>

> church but  have been to assembly of god and methodist

> too. I have just

>

> learned  not to discuss things with them (which is

> kinda sad since they

> should 

>

> be the most supportive you'd find somewhere), but I got

> burned a few  times

>

> too. I was told I was demon possessed and not praying

> enough  when I told

> my

>

> pastor's wife I was DID. My associate pastor's wife, 

> nicest lady ever. The

>

> others, not so much.

>

> In a message dated  3/29/2010 5:11:45 P.M. Eastern

> Daylight Time,

>

> climberkayak@ yahoo.com  writes:

>

> Karla, that's awful about that pastor's wife, wow! That

> type of  situation

>

> would have devastated me hitting huge triggers. So

> sorry  that happened - I

>

> can imagine that's the absolute last thing you 

> needed.

>

> What you said here

>

> " I have to remember that the truth  I have come to see

> is the exact truth

>

> that will bring down many  people's own house of

> cards. They simply can't

> go

>

> there. "

>

> is  very deep. I think to heal as KO's we have to deal

> with a lot of dark 

>

> material in ourselves and about others. Things that even in

> healthier 

>

> relationships most people gloss over and shove under the

> carpet...and  if

> the lump

>

> under the carpet isn't too big the strategy works

> okay.  Until we come

>

> along talking about things like what's under the

> carpet.  Like the idea a

> mother

>

> could not perfectly love her child, even harm  them,

> even try to ruin their

>

> adult  life....forbidden!

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > >

>

> > > >  > A huge trigger for me is people

> not understanding me. Especially 

>

> not understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be

> smaller  than

>

> they are or nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm

> stupid. And  this

> happens

>

> a lot almost every time I try to seek help on issues 

> about my FOO except

>

> on this board you guys seem to get it. I struggle 

> with a reaction of anger

>

> toward these misunderstanding people and I  know in my

> heart that they

>

> usually do mean well. That the issues are  often hard

> for me to convey

> clearly or

>

> maybe they don't have the  experience to understand

> them. But still when it

>

> happens I'm left  feeling thrown back to how it was

> when I was a kid, worse

>

> than alone.  As you can guess I got triggered today.

> I'll work through it

> but 

>

> thanks for reading and you all being here.

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I'm so sorry everybody has had such bad times at church. I have too. But I've

learned to be very careful with whom and what I share. I'll feel a new church

friend out or my pastor our and only share a little at frist to see if they get

it, before I share more. For the past 4 years I've been at a church where the

pastor and a few good friends really do fit that christian ideal of

understanding and compassion (and even trying to get me to stand up for myself

better). But even then, I wouldn't share with everyone becuase there are

judgmental people in this church too. And even well meaning people can't really

understand how a parent could be as mean or chaotic as my nada. But I just

wanted to share that I am having that good church experience at this one, and it

may have something to do with this particular church. The tone is one of

support, grace and depth which is a pretty special church....

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To: WTOAdultChildren1

Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 5:12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Re: being misunderstood

I was offline for a few days and am catching up, so please forgive me if this

has been pointed out...

I think we (generally, as a world) tend to think (whether we realize it or not)

that all or most of the people in a church will be wonderful loving perfectly

supportive people. And then it shocks us when they turn out to be broken,

hurting, nonperfect people. That's part of why it tends to stand out

more...because we expect more of a church community than we would of say, a

pipefitters union. But the reality is...those groups are made up of all the

same kinds of people, some good some bad some stable some crazy, and so on.

Not every pastor is trained for full on counseling, particularly of more severe

issues. They get degrees in theology, not in psychology. While it may hurt to

have a pastor say " This is beyond my skill set " ...at least he's being honest.

He knows he isn't trained to be your therapist. A spiritual director, probably.

But not a therapist. Imagine the damage he could have done if he had

overestimated his abilities or denied his own limitations.

It is not unlike my own therapist explaining to me that she is not qualified to

be in the role of spiritual director when those issues come up. That's why I

have one of each.

Ninera

>

> From: _Hummingbird1298@ Humming_ (mailto:Hummingbird1298@ aol.com)Â Â Â

> <_Hummingbird1298@ Humming_ (mailto:Hummingbird1298@ aol.com)

> >

> Subject:Â Re: Re: being

> misunderstood

> To: _WTOAdultChildren1@ WTOAdultChilWTO_

> (mailto:WTOAdultChildren1@ yahoogroups. com)

>

> Date:Â Monday, March 29, 2010, 4:25 PM

>

>

>

> I hope I don't get nasty emails for saying this, but

> some of the least

>

> understanding people IÂ have come across have been at

> church. I go to a

> baptist

>

> church but have been to assembly of god and methodist

> too. I have just

>

> learned not to discuss things with them (which is

> kinda sad since they

> shouldÂ

>

> be the most supportive you'd find somewhere), but I got

> burned a few times

>

> too. I was told I was demon possessed and not praying

> enough when I told

> my

>

> pastor's wife I was DID. My associate pastor's wife,Â

> nicest lady ever. The

>

> others, not so much.

>

> In a message dated 3/29/2010 5:11:45 P.M. Eastern

> Daylight Time,

>

> climberkayak@ yahoo.com writes:

>

> Karla, that's awful about that pastor's wife, wow! That

> type of situation

>

> would have devastated me hitting huge triggers. So

> sorry that happened - I

>

> can imagine that's the absolute last thing youÂ

> needed.

>

> What you said here

>

> " I have to remember that the truth I have come to see

> is the exact truth

>

> that will bring down many people's own house of

> cards. They simply can't

> go

>

> there. "

>

> is very deep. I think to heal as KO's we have to deal

> with a lot of darkÂ

>

> material in ourselves and about others. Things that even in

> healthierÂ

>

> relationships most people gloss over and shove under the

> carpet...and if

> the lump

>

> under the carpet isn't too big the strategy works

> okay. Until we come

>

> along talking about things like what's under the

> carpet. Like the idea a

> mother

>

> could not perfectly love her child, even harm them,

> even try to ruin their

>

> adult life....forbidden!

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > >

>

> > > >Â > A huge trigger for me is people

> not understanding me. EspeciallyÂ

>

> not understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be

> smaller than

>

> they are or nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm

> stupid. And this

> happens

>

> a lot almost every time I try to seek help on issuesÂ

> about my FOO except

>

> on this board you guys seem to get it. I struggleÂ

> with a reaction of anger

>

> toward these misunderstanding people and IÂ know in my

> heart that they

>

> usually do mean well. That the issues are often hard

> for me to convey

> clearly or

>

> maybe they don't have the experience to understand

> them. But still when it

>

> happens I'm left feeling thrown back to how it was

> when I was a kid, worse

>

> than alone. As you can guess I got triggered today.

> I'll work through it

> butÂ

>

> thanks for reading and you all being here.

>

> > > > >Â

>

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>

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very well said!  i think this is right on target, thanks.. i tend to make

judgments against others when they fall short (my nada did plenty of judging and

condemning so i have learned this lesson well) including the people at church.

 they are no different from others, tho they are called to be, as the body of

Christ and they sin as much as any others.. so it is a shortcoming of mine to

judge and condemn them when i do.  Jesus said we should look at our own

shortcomings (take our own inventories) before we attempt to look at any of that

in others.. i am trying to take my own advice here.  and i fall short plenty.

 enuf condemning and more forgiving is my goal.  thanks again, ann

>

> From: _Hummingbird1298@ Humming_ (mailto:Hummingbird1298@ aol.com)   

> <_Hummingbird1298@ Humming_ (mailto:Hummingbird1298@ aol.com)

> >

> Subject:  Re: Re: being

> misunderstood

> To: _WTOAdultChildren1@ WTOAdultChilWTO_

> (mailto:WTOAdultChildren1@ yahoogroups. com)

>

> Date:  Monday, March 29, 2010, 4:25 PM

>

>

>

> I hope I don't get nasty  emails for saying this, but

> some of the least

>

> understanding people I  have come across have been at

> church. I go to a

> baptist

>

> church but  have been to assembly of god and methodist

> too. I have just

>

> learned  not to discuss things with them (which is

> kinda sad since they

> should 

>

> be the most supportive you'd find somewhere), but I got

> burned a few  times

>

> too. I was told I was demon possessed and not praying

> enough  when I told

> my

>

> pastor's wife I was DID. My associate pastor's wife, 

> nicest lady ever. The

>

> others, not so much.

>

> In a message dated  3/29/2010 5:11:45 P.M. Eastern

> Daylight Time,

>

> climberkayak@ yahoo.com  writes:

>

> Karla, that's awful about that pastor's wife, wow! That

> type of  situation

>

> would have devastated me hitting huge triggers. So

> sorry  that happened - I

>

> can imagine that's the absolute last thing you 

> needed.

>

> What you said here

>

> " I have to remember that the truth  I have come to see

> is the exact truth

>

> that will bring down many  people's own house of

> cards. They simply can't

> go

>

> there. "

>

> is  very deep. I think to heal as KO's we have to deal

> with a lot of dark 

>

> material in ourselves and about others. Things that even in

> healthier 

>

> relationships most people gloss over and shove under the

> carpet...and  if

> the lump

>

> under the carpet isn't too big the strategy works

> okay.  Until we come

>

> along talking about things like what's under the

> carpet.  Like the idea a

> mother

>

> could not perfectly love her child, even harm  them,

> even try to ruin their

>

> adult  life....forbidden!

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > >

>

> > > >  > A huge trigger for me is people

> not understanding me. Especially 

>

> not understand me in a way that makes my problems out to be

> smaller  than

>

> they are or nonexistent. Or in a way that assumes I'm

> stupid. And  this

> happens

>

> a lot almost every time I try to seek help on issues 

> about my FOO except

>

> on this board you guys seem to get it. I struggle 

> with a reaction of anger

>

> toward these misunderstanding people and I  know in my

> heart that they

>

> usually do mean well. That the issues are  often hard

> for me to convey

> clearly or

>

> maybe they don't have the  experience to understand

> them. But still when it

>

> happens I'm left  feeling thrown back to how it was

> when I was a kid, worse

>

> than alone.  As you can guess I got triggered today.

> I'll work through it

> but 

>

> thanks for reading and you all being here.

>

> > > > > 

>

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