Re: Sensitive teeth and Flouride toothpaste

November 10, 2007

Hi, keep in mind that fluoride is a toxic petroleum byproduct.

Fluoride wouldn't be the reason your teeth are whiter--maybe another

agent in the toothpaste? On my nutrition site,

www.greensmoothiegirl.com, if you sign up for my free e-letter,

you'll get my 12 Nutrition Myths in the coming months, one of which

is about fluoride. Take care,

Robyn

www.greensmoothiegirl.com

>

> I was reading some old NN entries regarding sensitive teeth, yellow

> teeth and flouride.

>

> Does anyone use the Biorepair by Blanx that was mentioned some

months ago?

>

> Also I read that when someone stopped using Flouride toothpaste,

their

> teeth started going yellow. I have been using nonflouride

toothpaste

> for 4 years and the other day I ran out of my toothpaste. I used

some

> flouride toothpaste and I swear it makes my teeth feel better and

they

> are whiter and I mean noticeably whiter from only 5 days of using

it.

> I am happy about it b/c after a few months of drinking beek kvass

my

> teeth really got yellow (I probably should have been brushing

> immediately afterward). Oil swishing did zero for the color of my

> teeth. I really want to see before and after pics for some of

claims

> regarding that.

>

> I suffer from really sensitive teeth and I wonder if flouride does

> help with that. Could a little bit of flouride hurt a person that

much

> more than the tons of flouride they get when they bathe?

>

> I am a weston pricer all the way but I have always wondered about

> whether the flouride toothpaste thing was such a big deal...keep in

> mind in light of the fact that our water has flouride in it.

>

November 11, 2007

I am a weston pricer all the way but I have always wondered about

whether the flouride toothpaste thing was such a big deal...keep in

mind in light of the fact that our water has flouride in it.

And you drink your tap water? I truly believe that Fluoride is

poison. The warning against swallowing toothpaste is because it can be

cardiotoxic. Fluoride is also implicated in osteoporosis and one of

the reasons men now get it almost as frequently as women do and it's

happening at increasingly younger ages. The studies in favor of

fluoride are fake or flawed. It was added to water to give the

aluminum industry an easy way to dispose of toxic waste. I don't have

all the references off the top of my head, but I've spent many hours

researching it. I've been using a non-fluoride toothpaste for about 5

months and my teeth are whiter.

November 11, 2007

I have been canning a lot of grape juice and noticed my teeth after

drinking some were starting to get stained. Well we only use non

flouride toothpaste and it wasn't getting the stains off so I put a

little dab of baking soda on my brush with toothpaste and after just

one brushing the baking soda removes all stains. That is the best way

to get rid of stains for instantly bright teeth.

November 11, 2007

--- Patty, <mellowsong@...> wrote:

> I truly believe that Fluoride is poison. The warning against

> swallowing toothpaste is because it can be cardiotoxic. Fluoride is

> also implicated in osteoporosis and one of the reasons men now get

> it almost as frequently as women do and it's happening at

> increasingly younger ages. The studies in favor of fluoride are

> fake or flawed. It was added to water to give the aluminum industry

> an easy way to dispose of toxic waste. I don't have all the

> references off the top of my head, but I've spent many hours

> researching it. I've been using a non-fluoride toothpaste for about

> 5 months and my teeth are whiter.

Patty,

I agree that fluoride is toxic and should be avoided, even in

toothpaste. My understanding is that teeth whitening is from

abrasives in toothpaste and not from fluoride. Fluoride is added

supposedly to decrease the chance of dental caries, but there are

better ways to improve dental health than using fluoride, as Weston

Price demonstrated.

Here's what the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology

(IAOMT) has to say about fluoride:

http://www.iaomt.org/articles/files/files196/IAOMT%20Fluoridation%20Position.pdf

Below are some snipets:

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In summary, The IAOMT following our previously listed risk assessment

guidelines, presents a comprehensive review of the available

scientific literature. We find that the present US EPA maximum

contaminant level for water (4 ppm) and the recommendation for

drinking water fluoridation (1 ppm) will produce a measurable

increased risk of cancer, hip fracture, dental fluorosis, and

neurological impairment and virtually assures the development of

stages I and II skeletal fluorosis in many individuals exposed to

these levels of fluoride in their drinking water. The IAOMT PHG

[Patient Health Goal] for fluoride is appropriately zero. As will all

cumulative toxic substances, avoidance of exposure, wherever possible,

is the most appropriate public health goal and the only way to

completely prevent adverse health effects.

Fluoride is a violent protoplasmic poison that accumulates, over a

lifetime, in calcium-rich tissues. A presumably toxic dose (PTD) is

approximately 5 mg/kg body weight for humans. However, death in

susceptible individuals has been reported at 0.3 mg/kg estimated dose.

Some people with cardiovascular problems may be at increased risk of

fluoride toxicity. Fluoride inhibits glycolysis by inhibiting enolase.

It also inhibits energy metabolism through the tricarboxylic acid

cycle by blocking the entry of pyruvate and fatty acids and by

inhibiting succinic dehydrogenase.

One of the most susceptible populations would be infants fed entirely

tap-water based formula or home-prepared vegetables, rice and other

water-absorbing foods. Infants fed baby foods such as mechanically

de-boned chicken who have impaired renal function, or diabetes

insipidus with poor fluid retention, are at great risk. It is a well

established fact that dental fluorosis is linked to a combination of

fluoride in the water and the absence of breast milk.

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November 12, 2007

" Fluoride is also implicated in osteoporosis and one of

the reasons men now get it almost as frequently as women do and it's

happening at increasingly younger ages. "

I would not suspect flouride toothpaste is the reason for this increase

since men and women have both been using toothpaste since it was first

flouridated decades ago. It's hard to suspect something other than

hormones since dietary habits are generally equivalent.

One thing that has changed is the amount of phytoestrogens in food in

the form of soy. Anyone have information to support this?

Flouride is nasty stuff but if you remove it from your toothpaste you

should be sure that you are getting anough iodine to protect against

cavities.

Jane

November 12, 2007

I'm also wondering what to do about sensitive teeth in general. I have

had a sensitive tooth for a while and finally have in and used a dab of

fluoride gel and it made it worse.

Any ideas?

November 12, 2007

I'm thinking it can be really hard to tell where the pain is actually

coming from - i.e. a piece of popcorn stuck along the gum can make it

seem the tooth is sore when actually the gum is. In that case,

swishing with either salt water or something like virgin coconut or

sesame oil may clear up the problem in a matter of days.

I'm assuming you're already following the WAP diet that he gave the

boys that reversed their tooth decay? (whole grain sourdough bread,

bone broth soups, fresh butter, cod liver oil, etc??)

--- In , " nrscase " <nrscase@...>

wrote:

>

> I'm also wondering what to do about sensitive teeth in general. I

have

> had a sensitive tooth for a while and finally have in and used a

dab of

> fluoride gel and it made it worse.

>

> Any ideas?

>

November 12, 2007

> I am a weston pricer all the way but I have always wondered about

> whether the flouride toothpaste thing was such a big deal...keep in

> mind in light of the fact that our water has flouride in it.

>

> And you drink your tap water? I truly believe that Fluoride is

> poison. The warning against swallowing toothpaste is because it can be

I don't recall writing I drank tap water. My point is that I

bathe/wash my hands, buy canned coconut milk that probably uses

tapwater, etc. My question is would a dot of toothpaste used daily

make such a difference in addition to the exposure you get to flouride.

Jane the comment you made about the iodine really interest me. Is

there a special form of iodine that goes with protecting teeth better?

November 12, 2007

What do ya do when ya cannot follow the WAP diet,this is because of certain

allergies to wheat and dairy?I welcome any ideas..thanks ahead of time..Dee

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November 13, 2007

Pick a different " native diet " . Japanese, who are known for their

extreme health, eat mostly rice/barley as grains, fermented and fresh

veggies and a lot of seafood and eggs. For awhile I loved having rice,

umeboshi, kelp, raw vinegar, and sesame oil for breakfast. Umeboshi

are a pretty traditional breakfast and are supposed to be energizing,

which I cannot disagree with!

Dairy has a lot to offer, especially for those of us (like me) who

don't like the thought of eating raw meat, but many places in the world

people don't drink milk or eat any sort of dairy and get along just

fine. That said, my daughter seemed to have a serious dairy allergy,

but it turned out she's fine on raw milk, and even sheep's milk.

>

> What do ya do when ya cannot follow the WAP diet,this is because of

certain

> allergies to wheat and dairy?I welcome any ideas..thanks ahead of

time..Dee

>

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November 13, 2007

In rereading my comment I came across kind of nasty. I'm truly sorry.

I am not that kind of person, I just get carried away sometimes.

Patty

--- In , " crayfishfeed "

I don't recall writing I drank tap water. My point is that I

bathe/wash my hands, buy canned coconut milk that probably uses

tapwater, etc. My question is would a dot of toothpaste used daily

make such a difference in addition to the exposure you get to flouride.

November 13, 2007

I know a lot of you don't like mercola.com because of the advertising,

but I'm posting this link if you're interested because it ties most of

what I've read about Fluoride and osteoporosis together on one page:

http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/2/fluoride_safety.htm

Also, I was referring to added fluoride in general as causing, not

necessarily the small amounts you would ingest from toothpaste.

I would not suspect flouride toothpaste is the reason for this increase

since men and women have both been using toothpaste since it was first

flouridated decades ago. It's hard to suspect something other than

hormones since dietary habits are generally equivalent.

November 13, 2007

I should have clarified that the sensitivity came up in the process of

orthodontic treatment. I had a few teeth filed a bit to try and make

room as I have some crowding I am trying to get rid of. She files a

bit, moved the teeth a bit, the repeats only filing a small amount each

time.

I have made sure to get plenty of CLO, milk, broth etc. but still have

sensitivity in one of my front teeth. I assume that time will heal it

but since I drink fluoride free water I figured a small dab of the

fluoride gel she recommended couldn't hurt but it did.

November 13, 2007

,

you might consider xylitol - check out http://

askdrellie.blogspot.com/ (a biased but informative view).

-jennifer

November 13, 2007

,

I missed the beginning of this discussion, so if I'm off base, please forgive.

I make my own toothpaste from vegetable glycerine, with a few drops of

peppermint oil, and a few drops of tea tree oil in it. All of these ingredients

are anti-bacterial, and the tea tree is also anti-fungal. A friend uses straight

peppermint, but that is too strong for me. So, I dilute it with vegetable

glycerine. I had some infection going on after too long between cleanings.

I also was advised to have a deep root scaling, but decided to try the

homeopathic rememdy fragaria for a few weeks and then return to the dentist. My

hygenist is amazed at how much the fragaria did. I no longer needed the deep

root scaling. I mix 1 tablet of 6 or 30 Fragaria in distilled water and swish it

around in my mouth for a minute before swallowing. Then, brush. It really

loosens the plaque.

Kathy

---- nrscase <nrscase@...> wrote:

> I should have clarified that the sensitivity came up in the process of

> orthodontic treatment. I had a few teeth filed a bit to try and make

> room as I have some crowding I am trying to get rid of. She files a

> bit, moved the teeth a bit, the repeats only filing a small amount each

> time.

>

> I have made sure to get plenty of CLO, milk, broth etc. but still have

> sensitivity in one of my front teeth. I assume that time will heal it

> but since I drink fluoride free water I figured a small dab of the

> fluoride gel she recommended couldn't hurt but it did.

>

November 14, 2007

How does iodine prevent caveties?

On Nov 12, 2007, at 5:14 AM, Jane Rowland wrote:

> Flouride is nasty stuff but if you remove it from your toothpaste you

> should be sure that you are getting anough iodine to protect against

> cavities.

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November 14, 2007

I think that the whitening agent in some toothpastes is Hydrogen peroxide [3%]

and the cleaning agent in many is baking soda so you can make your own paste

daily by just mixing the two. No flouride. If you need some serious cleaning

you can add a little salt but I would not brush hard especially hitting the

gumline if you do that.

C.