Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005 Diane A couple of comments about your United Healthcare issues: 1. An organization is the most logical way to fight United Healthcare. 2. Any time an HMO/Insurer dramatically infringes on a patient's right to healthcare, it can land on the front page of the local newspaper or the opening story of a newscast. 3. If you are able to identify patients that receive substandard care, if you are able to find a media outlet that can report it, it makes for a good story. 4. There are relatively new insurance plans with Health Savings Accounts associated with them that take coverage out of the insurance industry's hands and places it back in the consumer's hands. Unfortunately, people who purchase insurance coverage are not demanding this coverage. As a healthcare provider, you could learn about these types of policies and recommend them to the people that buy policies. I know, I've had a policy similar to this for the past 8-10 years. 5. A lot of providers don't care about what United Healthcare does because they are not a major player in their backyard. If they are a major player in your area, then you will need to band together with other therapists through your state organization and possibly tie your efforts in with other state chapters of healthcare providers (i.e., AMA, ASHA, AOTA) then go public with your issues. Everyone needs to be getting involved with these fights because there seem to be more and more of them with each passing month. They range from these types of issues to ones like insurance companies setting Medical Review policies that are opposed to what other insurers are doing because they know not all providers are willing to fight for their money. Just a couple of thoughts on a Thursday Night. Jim Hall, CPA <///>< General Manager Rehab Management Services, LLC Cedar Rapids, IA 319/447-5625 Quote
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005 Hi, Diane - Thanks for pointing up this important issue. Someone once noted for me that insurance companies are actually financial institutions, rather than health care institutions. Their function is to spend less than they take in, and then divide the leftovers among the owners. Perhaps that explains their actions. Dick Hillyer, PT Cape Coral, FL CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, just the $$$$. We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is next!! We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to get back into that car. If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out patients, etc. It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. Diane Valley Rehabilitation Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 > 5. A lot of providers don't care about what United Healthcare does because > they are not a major player in their backyard. If they are a major player in > your area, then you will need to band together with other therapists through > your state organization and possibly tie your efforts in with other state > chapters of healthcare providers Jim (and Dick) Thanks so much for the insight, and thanks to the original poster for making us aware of this issue. United might not, today, be a big player in your area. I happen to be in a position to watch their growth in the mid-Atlantic region and presume their intention is to continue to purchase small to mid-sized hMo providers. The strategy is simple... buy them out, convert them into the United policies. Rip up the old fee schedules and create newer, more insurance company friendly ones. I presume that their growth initiatives are not limited to just our region, as United exists in some form in many parts of the states. While the outcome of this bears watching, I bet that the insurance industry lawyers have already checked out whether they can get away with it, with the costs (outrage by the insursed, anger by providers, cost of prospective lawsuits) versus the benefits (not having to cough up as much to providers) studied. - Simonetti, PT land where MAMSI has been bought out by United Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 > 5. A lot of providers don't care about what United Healthcare does because > they are not a major player in their backyard. If they are a major player in > your area, then you will need to band together with other therapists through > your state organization and possibly tie your efforts in with other state > chapters of healthcare providers Jim (and Dick) Thanks so much for the insight, and thanks to the original poster for making us aware of this issue. United might not, today, be a big player in your area. I happen to be in a position to watch their growth in the mid-Atlantic region and presume their intention is to continue to purchase small to mid-sized hMo providers. The strategy is simple... buy them out, convert them into the United policies. Rip up the old fee schedules and create newer, more insurance company friendly ones. I presume that their growth initiatives are not limited to just our region, as United exists in some form in many parts of the states. While the outcome of this bears watching, I bet that the insurance industry lawyers have already checked out whether they can get away with it, with the costs (outrage by the insursed, anger by providers, cost of prospective lawsuits) versus the benefits (not having to cough up as much to providers) studied. - Simonetti, PT land where MAMSI has been bought out by United Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 Thanks for all of your responses. United is big here in Texas too. We are providers on their national network (through PTP) but the local network is served by a lot of HEALTHSOUTH clinics. I think that association and the topic of their behavior written here may very well be a blessing in disguise. Keep the faith and the good fight!! Doug Doug Sparks Advanced Physical Therapy Concepts / APTC www.aptc.biz<http://www.aptc.biz/> doug@... Re: CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > 5. A lot of providers don't care about what United Healthcare does because > they are not a major player in their backyard. If they are a major player in > your area, then you will need to band together with other therapists through > your state organization and possibly tie your efforts in with other state > chapters of healthcare providers Jim (and Dick) Thanks so much for the insight, and thanks to the original poster for making us aware of this issue. United might not, today, be a big player in your area. I happen to be in a position to watch their growth in the mid-Atlantic region and presume their intention is to continue to purchase small to mid-sized hMo providers. The strategy is simple... buy them out, convert them into the United policies. Rip up the old fee schedules and create newer, more insurance company friendly ones. I presume that their growth initiatives are not limited to just our region, as United exists in some form in many parts of the states. While the outcome of this bears watching, I bet that the insurance industry lawyers have already checked out whether they can get away with it, with the costs (outrage by the insursed, anger by providers, cost of prospective lawsuits) versus the benefits (not having to cough up as much to providers) studied. - Simonetti, PT land where MAMSI has been bought out by United Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com<http://www.inhomerehab.com/>. PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 Thanks for all of your responses. United is big here in Texas too. We are providers on their national network (through PTP) but the local network is served by a lot of HEALTHSOUTH clinics. I think that association and the topic of their behavior written here may very well be a blessing in disguise. Keep the faith and the good fight!! Doug Doug Sparks Advanced Physical Therapy Concepts / APTC www.aptc.biz<http://www.aptc.biz/> doug@... Re: CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > 5. A lot of providers don't care about what United Healthcare does because > they are not a major player in their backyard. If they are a major player in > your area, then you will need to band together with other therapists through > your state organization and possibly tie your efforts in with other state > chapters of healthcare providers Jim (and Dick) Thanks so much for the insight, and thanks to the original poster for making us aware of this issue. United might not, today, be a big player in your area. I happen to be in a position to watch their growth in the mid-Atlantic region and presume their intention is to continue to purchase small to mid-sized hMo providers. The strategy is simple... buy them out, convert them into the United policies. Rip up the old fee schedules and create newer, more insurance company friendly ones. I presume that their growth initiatives are not limited to just our region, as United exists in some form in many parts of the states. While the outcome of this bears watching, I bet that the insurance industry lawyers have already checked out whether they can get away with it, with the costs (outrage by the insursed, anger by providers, cost of prospective lawsuits) versus the benefits (not having to cough up as much to providers) studied. - Simonetti, PT land where MAMSI has been bought out by United Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com<http://www.inhomerehab.com/>. PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 Thanks for all of your responses. United is big here in Texas too. We are providers on their national network (through PTP) but the local network is served by a lot of HEALTHSOUTH clinics. I think that association and the topic of their behavior written here may very well be a blessing in disguise. Keep the faith and the good fight!! Doug Doug Sparks Advanced Physical Therapy Concepts / APTC www.aptc.biz<http://www.aptc.biz/> doug@... Re: CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > 5. A lot of providers don't care about what United Healthcare does because > they are not a major player in their backyard. If they are a major player in > your area, then you will need to band together with other therapists through > your state organization and possibly tie your efforts in with other state > chapters of healthcare providers Jim (and Dick) Thanks so much for the insight, and thanks to the original poster for making us aware of this issue. United might not, today, be a big player in your area. I happen to be in a position to watch their growth in the mid-Atlantic region and presume their intention is to continue to purchase small to mid-sized hMo providers. The strategy is simple... buy them out, convert them into the United policies. Rip up the old fee schedules and create newer, more insurance company friendly ones. I presume that their growth initiatives are not limited to just our region, as United exists in some form in many parts of the states. While the outcome of this bears watching, I bet that the insurance industry lawyers have already checked out whether they can get away with it, with the costs (outrage by the insursed, anger by providers, cost of prospective lawsuits) versus the benefits (not having to cough up as much to providers) studied. - Simonetti, PT land where MAMSI has been bought out by United Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com<http://www.inhomerehab.com/>. PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 Dick, You summed it all up. I too have heard that and it is at the expense of us all. Those men and women sit behind their mahogany desks, in their big leather chairs and dictate our precious health care needs and we sit across from them with our hands and feet bound together with duct tape on our mouths. I want to know what can we do to make a significant and permanent change. Diane On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:58:22 -0400, Dick Hillyer wrote > Hi, Diane - > > Thanks for pointing up this important issue. > > Someone once noted for me that insurance companies are actually financial > institutions, rather than health care institutions. Their function > is to spend less than they take in, and then divide the leftovers > among the owners. Perhaps that explains their actions. > > Dick Hillyer, PT > Cape Coral, FL > > CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > > Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona > Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in > Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). > > According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning > to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance > companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, > then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by > reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that > physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, > just the $$$$. > > We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. > And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected > because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly > life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, > so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, > physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. > > Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves > in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to > blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed > us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run > outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, > they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is next!! > > We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious > that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and > they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to > get back into that car. > > If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy > providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no > other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less > trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date > equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out > patients, etc. > > It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers > need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime > that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. > > Diane > Valley Rehabilitation > > Looking to start your own Practice? > Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. > Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 I recently purchased a healthcare policy and the reality kept coming home. You get what you pay for (or less than you pay for since they want to make a profit). I was surprised that the rates vary so much between companies and between policies within the sign up group you are paired with. I can only imagine that some of the cost difference is in those small print details that affect therapy, co-pay rules, etc. Hope I don't find problems, my frugal side chose the cheaper policy. Steve Passmore Healthy Recruiting Tools spass@... CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > > Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona > Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in > Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). > > According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning > to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance > companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, > then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by > reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that > physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, > just the $$$$. > > We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. > And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected > because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly > life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, > so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, > physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. > > Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves > in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to > blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed > us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run > outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, > they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is next!! > > We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious > that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and > they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to > get back into that car. > > If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy > providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no > other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less > trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date > equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out > patients, etc. > > It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers > need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime > that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. > > Diane > Valley Rehabilitation > > Looking to start your own Practice? > Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. > Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 Regarding Diane's comment: " Those men and women sit behind their mahogany desks, in their big leather chairs and dictate our precious health care needs and we sit across from them with . " Again folks, if you are content with solutions achieved by battling every new injustice, you are indeed long-suffering. As you can see by this latest mess, there is no end to the creativity third parties employ to save money. And it must also be said, to be fair and honest, that providers here and there have also been known to display equally nefarious creativity in the quest for dollars, by ripping off those awful third party payers. Clearly there is no way for goodness to prevail in a system so loaded with special interests. It seems beyond argument that neither third parties, nor second-parties (i.e. providers), should be making any patient's healthcare decisions. Whether merely a disreputable new wrinkle in insurance coverage, or forced compliance with an expensive and inferior government-sponsored drug plan (which, unsurprisingly, is welcomed by drug companies and drug retailers) patients are having their rights wiped out. Please worry less about whether it's providers or insurers that should have more " duct tape on [their] mouths " and concern yourselves instead with the rights of patients. Support full and meaningful change for PATIENTS. Support Healthcare Savings Accounts. Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services Laurel Health System 32-36 Central Ave. Wellsboro, PA 16901 dmilano@... CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > > Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona > Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in > Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). > > According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning > to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance > companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, > then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by > reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that > physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, > just the $$$$. > > We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. > And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected > because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly > life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, > so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, > physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. > > Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves > in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to > blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed > us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run > outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, > they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is next!! > > We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious > that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and > they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to > get back into that car. > > If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy > providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no > other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less > trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date > equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out > patients, etc. > > It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers > need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime > that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. > > Diane > Valley Rehabilitation > > Looking to start your own Practice? > Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. > Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 Regarding Diane's comment: " Those men and women sit behind their mahogany desks, in their big leather chairs and dictate our precious health care needs and we sit across from them with . " Again folks, if you are content with solutions achieved by battling every new injustice, you are indeed long-suffering. As you can see by this latest mess, there is no end to the creativity third parties employ to save money. And it must also be said, to be fair and honest, that providers here and there have also been known to display equally nefarious creativity in the quest for dollars, by ripping off those awful third party payers. Clearly there is no way for goodness to prevail in a system so loaded with special interests. It seems beyond argument that neither third parties, nor second-parties (i.e. providers), should be making any patient's healthcare decisions. Whether merely a disreputable new wrinkle in insurance coverage, or forced compliance with an expensive and inferior government-sponsored drug plan (which, unsurprisingly, is welcomed by drug companies and drug retailers) patients are having their rights wiped out. Please worry less about whether it's providers or insurers that should have more " duct tape on [their] mouths " and concern yourselves instead with the rights of patients. Support full and meaningful change for PATIENTS. Support Healthcare Savings Accounts. Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services Laurel Health System 32-36 Central Ave. Wellsboro, PA 16901 dmilano@... CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > > Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona > Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in > Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). > > According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning > to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance > companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, > then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by > reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that > physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, > just the $$$$. > > We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. > And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected > because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly > life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, > so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, > physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. > > Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves > in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to > blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed > us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run > outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, > they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is next!! > > We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious > that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and > they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to > get back into that car. > > If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy > providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no > other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less > trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date > equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out > patients, etc. > > It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers > need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime > that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. > > Diane > Valley Rehabilitation > > Looking to start your own Practice? > Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. > Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 Regarding Diane's comment: " Those men and women sit behind their mahogany desks, in their big leather chairs and dictate our precious health care needs and we sit across from them with . " Again folks, if you are content with solutions achieved by battling every new injustice, you are indeed long-suffering. As you can see by this latest mess, there is no end to the creativity third parties employ to save money. And it must also be said, to be fair and honest, that providers here and there have also been known to display equally nefarious creativity in the quest for dollars, by ripping off those awful third party payers. Clearly there is no way for goodness to prevail in a system so loaded with special interests. It seems beyond argument that neither third parties, nor second-parties (i.e. providers), should be making any patient's healthcare decisions. Whether merely a disreputable new wrinkle in insurance coverage, or forced compliance with an expensive and inferior government-sponsored drug plan (which, unsurprisingly, is welcomed by drug companies and drug retailers) patients are having their rights wiped out. Please worry less about whether it's providers or insurers that should have more " duct tape on [their] mouths " and concern yourselves instead with the rights of patients. Support full and meaningful change for PATIENTS. Support Healthcare Savings Accounts. Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services Laurel Health System 32-36 Central Ave. Wellsboro, PA 16901 dmilano@... CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > > Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona > Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in > Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). > > According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning > to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance > companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, > then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by > reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that > physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, > just the $$$$. > > We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. > And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected > because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly > life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, > so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, > physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. > > Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves > in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to > blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed > us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run > outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, > they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is next!! > > We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious > that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and > they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to > get back into that car. > > If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy > providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no > other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less > trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date > equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out > patients, etc. > > It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers > need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime > that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. > > Diane > Valley Rehabilitation > > Looking to start your own Practice? > Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. > Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 Diane, Dick, et al - I understand your concerns, but I think we also need to be careful not to take on a victim mentality. Having met with payers who are actively looking for ways to control costs as well as maintain choice for their members, we need to realize that tiered networks, pay for performance and other models to reimburse providers are coming down the line. We, as providers, also need to realize we are part of the problem. I firmly believe we can manage utilization or live with the consequences of having it managed for us. More than once I have heard payers express their impression that physical therapists tend to " treat to the benefit " rather than what is appropriate for the patient's condition. Payers are going to provide incentives for patients to seek care with providers who demonstrate that they work to control costs. Therapeutic Associates has published clinical practice guidelines with ranges of visits that many payers have used to review utilization data. We had a BCBS carrier in one state use our guidelines as the basis for their benefit structure. I was amazed when we had angry providers (both MDs and PTs) call our office and complain - " Everybody knows it takes at least 25 visits to treat adhesive capsulitis! " Our outcome system stats (CareConnections Outcomes / TAOS) show that nationally patients with this condition achieve a 53% functional improvement, 64% reduction in pain and report a perceived overall improvement of 75% in an average of 11.4 visits. When we spoke with the payer and other providers involved in the process, the complainers were the same providers that that the payer was targeting to contain. Of course insurance companies are financial institutions (and some are easier to work with than others), so we can either help them find better solutions in partnership or simply blame them and ignore our own " issues " . We have an opportunity to work with payers to make sure that quality includes more than just financial data - it should include clinical outcomes, patient satisfaction and other information. As long as we can come up with well rounded measurements of who the best providers are, I have no problem with reimbursement structures that benefit the best of the best. Respectfully, Todd Gifford, PT Therapeutic Associates www.therapeuticassociates.com www.careconnections.com CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > > Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona > Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in > Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). > > According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning > to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance > companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, > then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by > reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that > physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, > just the $$$$. > > We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. > And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected > because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly > life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, > so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, > physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. > > Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves > in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to > blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed > us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run > outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, > they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is next!! > > We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious > that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and > they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to > get back into that car. > > If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy > providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no > other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less > trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date > equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out > patients, etc. > > It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers > need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime > that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. > > Diane > Valley Rehabilitation > > Looking to start your own Practice? > Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. > Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Posted August 5, 2005 Just a couple of thoughts ... The following quote is the first two paragraphs of the article that Diane referenced: " Arizona patients can soon learn what their insurers think of their doctors' quality and ability to control costs. Two of the state's largest health insurers are rolling out programs that will rate physicians. And it could mean patients will get cheaper co-payments if they choose doctors who get high marks for both quality of care and cost efficiency. " Please notice that the word quality comes before the word cost in each of the sentences that raise the issues. It isn't too far fetched to believe that the folks at the insurance companies are smart enough to figure out that high quality care is often the most effective. Personally, I believe this to be true in the aggregate if not each individual case. No, I have never worked for an insurer, nor do I plan to. An easy example to illustrate my point might be the orthopedic surgeon with an extremely low infection rate. His/her patients will not require the long term antibiotic use or increased length of stay that patients of a physician with a higher infection rate have. Also, I have heard advertisements from PT owned clinics in my area touting fewer overall visits = fewer total $ of copay = better outcome for their patients. I often wonder if those patients are better sooner because of some great Pt or if they are merely discharged a little sooner than they would be from the competition. Of course, the most important perspective is the patients and we should all focus on what the individual patient values in our service, not just cost or length of treatment. My two cents. Trumbull Director of Rehabilitation Services BroMenn Regional Medical Center phone: fax: Quote
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Posted August 6, 2005 Todd, I am concerned when we start letting insurance companies dictate how much improvement is enough, you state 53% functional improvemet in 11.4 visits, does this mean that is all that should be allowed? shouldn't our goal as rehab providers be to return our patients to 100% functional improvement if that is a reasonable expectation. I thought this was the reason " The Guide to PT Practice " was written in the first place. The second problem I have is with lumping people by diagnosis. Who gets to make that diagnosis? What about complicating issues like the patient diagnosed with " adhesive capsulitis " by the primary care provider in a 5 min exam who really has cervical issues and not a frozen shoulder at all. I agree that PT's need to be responsible and treat to the benefit of the patient and not " to the maximum allowable insurance payout " but I think this needs to be left in the hands of the PT, not the insurance company. We need to do a better job of policing ourselves. Thanks for your input. E. s, PT, DPT, OCS s Orthopedic & Spine Rehabilitation, Inc. Bonita Springs, Fla > Diane, Dick, et al - > > I understand your concerns, but I think we also need to be careful not > to take on a victim mentality. Having met with payers who are actively > looking for ways to control costs as well as maintain choice for their > members, we need to realize that tiered networks, pay for performance > and other models to reimburse providers are coming down the line. > > We, as providers, also need to realize we are part of the problem. I > firmly believe we can manage utilization or live with the consequences > of having it managed for us. More than once I have heard payers express > their impression that physical therapists tend to " treat to the benefit " > rather than what is appropriate for the patient's condition. Payers are > going to provide incentives for patients to seek care with providers who > demonstrate that they work to control costs. > > Therapeutic Associates has published clinical practice guidelines with > ranges of visits that many payers have used to review utilization data. > We had a BCBS carrier in one state use our guidelines as the basis for > their benefit structure. I was amazed when we had angry providers (both > MDs and PTs) call our office and complain - " Everybody knows it takes at > least 25 visits to treat adhesive capsulitis! " Our outcome system stats > (CareConnections Outcomes / TAOS) show that nationally patients with > this condition achieve a 53% functional improvement, 64% reduction in > pain and report a perceived overall improvement of 75% in an average of > 11.4 visits. When we spoke with the payer and other providers involved > in the process, the complainers were the same providers that that the > payer was targeting to contain. > > Of course insurance companies are financial institutions (and some are > easier to work with than others), so we can either help them find better > solutions in partnership or simply blame them and ignore our own > " issues " . We have an opportunity to work with payers to make sure that > quality includes more than just financial data - it should include > clinical outcomes, patient satisfaction and other information. As long > as we can come up with well rounded measurements of who the best > providers are, I have no problem with reimbursement structures that > benefit the best of the best. > > Respectfully, > > Todd Gifford, PT > Therapeutic Associates > www.therapeuticassociates.com > www.careconnections.com > > > > > CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > > > > Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona > > Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in > > Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). > > > > According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning > > to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance > > companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, > > then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by > > reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that > > physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, > > just the $$$$. > > > > We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. > > And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected > > because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly > > life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, > > so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, > > physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. > > > > Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves > > in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to > > blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed > > us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run > > outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, > > they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is > next!! > > > > We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious > > that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and > > they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to > > get back into that car. > > > > If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy > > providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no > > other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less > > trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date > > equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out > > patients, etc. > > > > It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers > > need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime > > that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. > > > > Diane > > Valley Rehabilitation > > > > Looking to start your own Practice? > > Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. > > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. > > Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Posted August 8, 2005 Disjounted thoughts on the issue: 1. MSA/ HSA plans sound very good but involve a level of user- understanding that is complicated for many. Judging by the response (or the media's take on it) to the medicare prescription plan, the public may not be ready for such complexity. 2. I was a bit wrong. I got a letter Thursday from MAMSI/ United saying that the fee schedule and credentialing process will not change. 3. If we purchase for ourselves or choose for our emplyees BAD health care plans, I believe we are feeding the enemy. Simonetti, PT, DPT Chestertown, MD Quote
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Posted August 8, 2005 Disjounted thoughts on the issue: 1. MSA/ HSA plans sound very good but involve a level of user- understanding that is complicated for many. Judging by the response (or the media's take on it) to the medicare prescription plan, the public may not be ready for such complexity. 2. I was a bit wrong. I got a letter Thursday from MAMSI/ United saying that the fee schedule and credentialing process will not change. 3. If we purchase for ourselves or choose for our emplyees BAD health care plans, I believe we are feeding the enemy. Simonetti, PT, DPT Chestertown, MD Quote
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Posted August 8, 2005 Disjounted thoughts on the issue: 1. MSA/ HSA plans sound very good but involve a level of user- understanding that is complicated for many. Judging by the response (or the media's take on it) to the medicare prescription plan, the public may not be ready for such complexity. 2. I was a bit wrong. I got a letter Thursday from MAMSI/ United saying that the fee schedule and credentialing process will not change. 3. If we purchase for ourselves or choose for our emplyees BAD health care plans, I believe we are feeding the enemy. Simonetti, PT, DPT Chestertown, MD Quote
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Posted August 8, 2005 & - Thanks for your comments. Please understand the statistics that I provided are the averages from over 4800 cases with this diagnosis over the past 12 months. As with any statistical average, there were patients that had better functional improvement (as reported by the tool used) and there were patients that had less improvement. There were patients that had more visits and those that had less. This is simply my opinion, but I think anytime the discussion of utilization comes up, most providers immediately think of their experience of a case that fits outside the norm. 100% functional improvement is the desired goal for all patients; however, in reality most outpatient ortho patients will see significant functional gains early in treatment and then have diminishing gains (per visit) at a certain point. I do not think most health plans (work comp payers are a little different) have a problem paying for care up to the point where the patient starts to plateau, but at that point where gains become less per dollar spent they would like to encourage discharge. This is where we need to become better case managers. I think a lot of providers (PTs and others) are in denial that we are being profiled by insurance carriers. At this point the payers equate quality to lower utilization and lower cost - that is the information they readily have available. If you look at the models being created for pay for performance or tiered networks, the insurance companies are not necessarily looking at clinical outcomes but looking at the characteristics of providers that have good " outcomes " (look at www.bridgestoexcellence.com). Until they can better define quality, insurance companies will be rewarding providers that are simply collecting outcomes, using EMR (electronic medical record) systems, following established guidelines or protocols, etc. The money spent on PT in the overall health care system is relatively small, so our services will probably not be an early target for many of these changes. Lastly, I would like to go back the original subject line of this discussion - " CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE " . This is implied as a negative situation. Is a reduction of additional out of pocket expense (this is on top of their premiums) for the patient a bad thing? We are all consumers of health care also. Insurance companies are responding to our desire to have provider choice, but also trying to control the rise in premiums. By having tiered co-pay plans, they are reacting to what the market wants - choice with incentives to control costs. Sincerely, Todd Gifford, PT Therapeutic Associates www.therapeuticassociates.com www.careconnections.com CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > > > > Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona > > Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in > > Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). > > > > According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning > > to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance > > companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, > > then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by > > reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that > > physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, > > just the $$$$. > > > > We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. > > And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected > > because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly > > life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, > > so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, > > physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. > > > > Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves > > in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to > > blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed > > us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run > > outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, > > they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is > next!! > > > > We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious > > that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and > > they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to > > get back into that car. > > > > If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy > > providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no > > other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less > > trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date > > equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out > > patients, etc. > > > > It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers > > need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime > > that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. > > > > Diane > > Valley Rehabilitation > > > > Looking to start your own Practice? > > Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. > > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. > > Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Posted August 8, 2005 & - Thanks for your comments. Please understand the statistics that I provided are the averages from over 4800 cases with this diagnosis over the past 12 months. As with any statistical average, there were patients that had better functional improvement (as reported by the tool used) and there were patients that had less improvement. There were patients that had more visits and those that had less. This is simply my opinion, but I think anytime the discussion of utilization comes up, most providers immediately think of their experience of a case that fits outside the norm. 100% functional improvement is the desired goal for all patients; however, in reality most outpatient ortho patients will see significant functional gains early in treatment and then have diminishing gains (per visit) at a certain point. I do not think most health plans (work comp payers are a little different) have a problem paying for care up to the point where the patient starts to plateau, but at that point where gains become less per dollar spent they would like to encourage discharge. This is where we need to become better case managers. I think a lot of providers (PTs and others) are in denial that we are being profiled by insurance carriers. At this point the payers equate quality to lower utilization and lower cost - that is the information they readily have available. If you look at the models being created for pay for performance or tiered networks, the insurance companies are not necessarily looking at clinical outcomes but looking at the characteristics of providers that have good " outcomes " (look at www.bridgestoexcellence.com). Until they can better define quality, insurance companies will be rewarding providers that are simply collecting outcomes, using EMR (electronic medical record) systems, following established guidelines or protocols, etc. The money spent on PT in the overall health care system is relatively small, so our services will probably not be an early target for many of these changes. Lastly, I would like to go back the original subject line of this discussion - " CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE " . This is implied as a negative situation. Is a reduction of additional out of pocket expense (this is on top of their premiums) for the patient a bad thing? We are all consumers of health care also. Insurance companies are responding to our desire to have provider choice, but also trying to control the rise in premiums. By having tiered co-pay plans, they are reacting to what the market wants - choice with incentives to control costs. Sincerely, Todd Gifford, PT Therapeutic Associates www.therapeuticassociates.com www.careconnections.com CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > > > > Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona > > Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in > > Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). > > > > According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning > > to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance > > companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, > > then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by > > reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that > > physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, > > just the $$$$. > > > > We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. > > And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected > > because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly > > life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, > > so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, > > physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. > > > > Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves > > in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to > > blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed > > us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run > > outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, > > they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is > next!! > > > > We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious > > that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and > > they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to > > get back into that car. > > > > If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy > > providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no > > other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less > > trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date > > equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out > > patients, etc. > > > > It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers > > need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime > > that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. > > > > Diane > > Valley Rehabilitation > > > > Looking to start your own Practice? > > Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. > > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. > > Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Posted August 8, 2005 & - Thanks for your comments. Please understand the statistics that I provided are the averages from over 4800 cases with this diagnosis over the past 12 months. As with any statistical average, there were patients that had better functional improvement (as reported by the tool used) and there were patients that had less improvement. There were patients that had more visits and those that had less. This is simply my opinion, but I think anytime the discussion of utilization comes up, most providers immediately think of their experience of a case that fits outside the norm. 100% functional improvement is the desired goal for all patients; however, in reality most outpatient ortho patients will see significant functional gains early in treatment and then have diminishing gains (per visit) at a certain point. I do not think most health plans (work comp payers are a little different) have a problem paying for care up to the point where the patient starts to plateau, but at that point where gains become less per dollar spent they would like to encourage discharge. This is where we need to become better case managers. I think a lot of providers (PTs and others) are in denial that we are being profiled by insurance carriers. At this point the payers equate quality to lower utilization and lower cost - that is the information they readily have available. If you look at the models being created for pay for performance or tiered networks, the insurance companies are not necessarily looking at clinical outcomes but looking at the characteristics of providers that have good " outcomes " (look at www.bridgestoexcellence.com). Until they can better define quality, insurance companies will be rewarding providers that are simply collecting outcomes, using EMR (electronic medical record) systems, following established guidelines or protocols, etc. The money spent on PT in the overall health care system is relatively small, so our services will probably not be an early target for many of these changes. Lastly, I would like to go back the original subject line of this discussion - " CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE " . This is implied as a negative situation. Is a reduction of additional out of pocket expense (this is on top of their premiums) for the patient a bad thing? We are all consumers of health care also. Insurance companies are responding to our desire to have provider choice, but also trying to control the rise in premiums. By having tiered co-pay plans, they are reacting to what the market wants - choice with incentives to control costs. Sincerely, Todd Gifford, PT Therapeutic Associates www.therapeuticassociates.com www.careconnections.com CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE > > > > Did anyone read the article on the front page of the Arizona > > Republic, dated today, August 4th.. " Insurers Ranking Physicians in > > Valley " (Co-Pay Could Be Tied to Choice of Caregiver). > > > > According to the article, Aetna and United Healthcare are planning > > to RATE physicians by the amount of money they save the insurance > > companies. If the physician is successful in keeping costs down, > > then Aetna and UHC will 'reward' the physicians and the patients by > > reducing the co-pay amount for the patient and recommending that > > physician to the patient. Quality of patient care is not an issue, > > just the $$$$. > > > > We as healthcare providers will soon be affected by this as well. > > And we as patients ourselves, will most definitely be affected > > because physicians will be extremely frugal in choosing possibly > > life saving tests, medications, and procedures for us, as patients, > > so that they can earn their 'reward'. According to the article, > > physicians are not happy about this at all, nor should they be. > > > > Once Insurance companies took over as they have and put themselves > > in the driver's seat, providers were pushed to the passenger side to > > blindly go where the insurance companies dictated. Then they pushed > > us out of the car, and ever since, we have been trying to run > > outside of the car, trying to catch up with them. Now with this, > > they are running us over! When will this insanity end? What is > next!! > > > > We belong to the APTA and we voice our opinion but it is obvious > > that too little is being done too late. The APTA is terrific and > > they are doing their best but there has to be more that we can do to > > get back into that car. > > > > If physicins are forced to meet these demands, we as therapy > > providers will be as well. It is obvious that we all will have no > > other choice but to cut our costs, whether it be through less > > trained personnel, eliminating the purchase of more up-to-date > > equipment, eliminating certain modalities and procedures for out > > patients, etc. > > > > It seems that physicians and all other types of healthcare providers > > need to band together in huge numbers to fight this organized crime > > that will bury us all, providers and patients alike. > > > > Diane > > Valley Rehabilitation > > > > Looking to start your own Practice? > > Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. > > PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. > > Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Posted August 8, 2005 Dave; Interesting points about Insurance status quo being more complicated. In my case, for the original $200 premium, I had absolutely no coverage every year until my medical expenses reached $4,800 out of pocket. Interestingly, in the 8-10 years I have had the coverage, I have never exceeded the $3,600 that had been set aside in the MSA. That's not to say I never will, I just never have. When I do go see a provider of my choice, they bill the insurance company first. This insurance company applies any network discounts involved and I get the benefit of the write downs. Eventually, I have to write a check for the bill, but I know how much the provider costs and if price is ever a concern for me, I can shop the healthcare. I am always amazed to hear providers talk about their charge master and their concern that it might scare consumers away. Very few patients ever know what you charge or care about it. They trust their insurance company to tell them if the prices are fair or not. When I shop for a healthcare provider, my first question isn't how much they cost, it's do they know what they are doing and will I get good healthcare from them. Just my 2c on a Monday evening, Jim <///>< Quote
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Posted August 8, 2005 and others, Just a quick note to say that there is absolutely nothing complex about HSAs in concept, in fact their simplicity is one of their high points. They only become complex when regulators get hold of them, as they have already (note Jim's description of his HSA). Also it must be said that the existing third-party systems are anything but simple---they are truly the very definition of complexity. First and foremost on the list of confused are patients, who are satisfied in the mess only because providers intervene for them to alleviate confusion, acting essentially as buffers between the insurance company and the insured. Of course then the provider becomes the victim as third-parties invent new wrinkles. It is astounding to me that providers are as quiet as they are about this. Are we providers not, as succinctly put it, " feeding the enemy " when we act to soften the difficulties created by insurance companies? (Medicare is at the top of that particular list, in my opinion.) I am convinced that current systems, disconnecting as they do the user from the payer, and as a result getting ever more expensive, will eventually cause their own collapse (the new Medicare " D " drug plan may be the very straw that breaks the camel's back). At that point there will be no choice but to take a hard and honest look at what we have wrought. Then, perhaps, true HSAs will be given a fighting chance. It is surely a shame that we cannot give them a chance BEFORE healthcare insurance (government and otherwise) succeeds in trouncing our economy. Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services Laurel Health System 32-36 Central Ave. Wellsboro, PA 16901 dmilano@... Re: CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE Disjounted thoughts on the issue: 1. MSA/ HSA plans sound very good but involve a level of user- understanding that is complicated for many. Judging by the response (or the media's take on it) to the medicare prescription plan, the public may not be ready for such complexity. 2. I was a bit wrong. I got a letter Thursday from MAMSI/ United saying that the fee schedule and credentialing process will not change. 3. If we purchase for ourselves or choose for our emplyees BAD health care plans, I believe we are feeding the enemy. Simonetti, PT, DPT Chestertown, MD Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Posted August 8, 2005 and others, Just a quick note to say that there is absolutely nothing complex about HSAs in concept, in fact their simplicity is one of their high points. They only become complex when regulators get hold of them, as they have already (note Jim's description of his HSA). Also it must be said that the existing third-party systems are anything but simple---they are truly the very definition of complexity. First and foremost on the list of confused are patients, who are satisfied in the mess only because providers intervene for them to alleviate confusion, acting essentially as buffers between the insurance company and the insured. Of course then the provider becomes the victim as third-parties invent new wrinkles. It is astounding to me that providers are as quiet as they are about this. Are we providers not, as succinctly put it, " feeding the enemy " when we act to soften the difficulties created by insurance companies? (Medicare is at the top of that particular list, in my opinion.) I am convinced that current systems, disconnecting as they do the user from the payer, and as a result getting ever more expensive, will eventually cause their own collapse (the new Medicare " D " drug plan may be the very straw that breaks the camel's back). At that point there will be no choice but to take a hard and honest look at what we have wrought. Then, perhaps, true HSAs will be given a fighting chance. It is surely a shame that we cannot give them a chance BEFORE healthcare insurance (government and otherwise) succeeds in trouncing our economy. Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services Laurel Health System 32-36 Central Ave. Wellsboro, PA 16901 dmilano@... Re: CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE Disjounted thoughts on the issue: 1. MSA/ HSA plans sound very good but involve a level of user- understanding that is complicated for many. Judging by the response (or the media's take on it) to the medicare prescription plan, the public may not be ready for such complexity. 2. I was a bit wrong. I got a letter Thursday from MAMSI/ United saying that the fee schedule and credentialing process will not change. 3. If we purchase for ourselves or choose for our emplyees BAD health care plans, I believe we are feeding the enemy. Simonetti, PT, DPT Chestertown, MD Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Posted August 8, 2005 and others, Just a quick note to say that there is absolutely nothing complex about HSAs in concept, in fact their simplicity is one of their high points. They only become complex when regulators get hold of them, as they have already (note Jim's description of his HSA). Also it must be said that the existing third-party systems are anything but simple---they are truly the very definition of complexity. First and foremost on the list of confused are patients, who are satisfied in the mess only because providers intervene for them to alleviate confusion, acting essentially as buffers between the insurance company and the insured. Of course then the provider becomes the victim as third-parties invent new wrinkles. It is astounding to me that providers are as quiet as they are about this. Are we providers not, as succinctly put it, " feeding the enemy " when we act to soften the difficulties created by insurance companies? (Medicare is at the top of that particular list, in my opinion.) I am convinced that current systems, disconnecting as they do the user from the payer, and as a result getting ever more expensive, will eventually cause their own collapse (the new Medicare " D " drug plan may be the very straw that breaks the camel's back). At that point there will be no choice but to take a hard and honest look at what we have wrought. Then, perhaps, true HSAs will be given a fighting chance. It is surely a shame that we cannot give them a chance BEFORE healthcare insurance (government and otherwise) succeeds in trouncing our economy. Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services Laurel Health System 32-36 Central Ave. Wellsboro, PA 16901 dmilano@... Re: CO-PAY REDUCTION DICTATED BY INSURANCE Disjounted thoughts on the issue: 1. MSA/ HSA plans sound very good but involve a level of user- understanding that is complicated for many. Judging by the response (or the media's take on it) to the medicare prescription plan, the public may not be ready for such complexity. 2. I was a bit wrong. I got a letter Thursday from MAMSI/ United saying that the fee schedule and credentialing process will not change. 3. If we purchase for ourselves or choose for our emplyees BAD health care plans, I believe we are feeding the enemy. Simonetti, PT, DPT Chestertown, MD Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote
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