RE: PTA's and joint mobs

[Guest guest]

APTA position statement is that only PT's perform mobs/manipulations.

However, I (as I am sure many of you) work with PTA's who had extensive

training in these techniques and are extremely effective at providing them.

From a legal standpoint, follow your state practice act.

Lori Webster-Dahl, PT

Director of Rehab Services

Mile Bluff Medical Center

1050 Division Street

Mauston, WI 53948

(608)847-6161 extension 402

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PTManager

Group,

How bout an informal survey?

For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other

PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

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[Guest guest]

APTA position statement is that only PT's perform mobs/manipulations.

However, I (as I am sure many of you) work with PTA's who had extensive

training in these techniques and are extremely effective at providing them.

From a legal standpoint, follow your state practice act.

Lori Webster-Dahl, PT

Director of Rehab Services

Mile Bluff Medical Center

1050 Division Street

Mauston, WI 53948

(608)847-6161 extension 402

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" Joe Ruzich "

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PTManager@yahoogr Subject: PTA's and

joint mobs

oups.com

07/15/05 06:01 PM

Please respond to

PTManager

Group,

How bout an informal survey?

For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other

PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

APTA position statement is that only PT's perform mobs/manipulations.

However, I (as I am sure many of you) work with PTA's who had extensive

training in these techniques and are extremely effective at providing them.

From a legal standpoint, follow your state practice act.

Lori Webster-Dahl, PT

Director of Rehab Services

Mile Bluff Medical Center

1050 Division Street

Mauston, WI 53948

(608)847-6161 extension 402

This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the

intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged

information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is

prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the

sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

" Joe Ruzich "

To:

<PTManager >

Sent by: cc:

PTManager@yahoogr Subject: PTA's and

joint mobs

oups.com

07/15/05 06:01 PM

Please respond to

PTManager

Group,

How bout an informal survey?

For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other

PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

Joint mob techniques can make the difference in a rapid success and less

pain during attempts to gain ROM. I can understand the need to limit

certain spinal techniques but I would not want a patient to be subjected to

routine extremity ROM without the benefit of the mob techniques.

I guess I would be in favor of some joint mob for PTAs but not those mobs

that require extensive assessment during treatment. It just returns to the

old process of putting the PTA (or PT) in a situation where they meet but

don't exceed their skill level.

Steve Passmore

Healthy Recruiting Tools

spass@...

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

Joint mob techniques can make the difference in a rapid success and less

pain during attempts to gain ROM. I can understand the need to limit

certain spinal techniques but I would not want a patient to be subjected to

routine extremity ROM without the benefit of the mob techniques.

I guess I would be in favor of some joint mob for PTAs but not those mobs

that require extensive assessment during treatment. It just returns to the

old process of putting the PTA (or PT) in a situation where they meet but

don't exceed their skill level.

Steve Passmore

Healthy Recruiting Tools

spass@...

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

Joint mob techniques can make the difference in a rapid success and less

pain during attempts to gain ROM. I can understand the need to limit

certain spinal techniques but I would not want a patient to be subjected to

routine extremity ROM without the benefit of the mob techniques.

I guess I would be in favor of some joint mob for PTAs but not those mobs

that require extensive assessment during treatment. It just returns to the

old process of putting the PTA (or PT) in a situation where they meet but

don't exceed their skill level.

Steve Passmore

Healthy Recruiting Tools

spass@...

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

Joe.

For,if the PTA is qualified and properly trained.

Chad , PT

Joe Ruzich wrote:

Group,

How bout an informal survey?

For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

Joe.

For,if the PTA is qualified and properly trained.

Chad , PT

Joe Ruzich wrote:

Group,

How bout an informal survey?

For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

Am I the only one against?

Simonetti, PT

Chestertown, MD

>

> Group,

> How bout an informal survey?

>

> For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

>

[Guest guest]

Am I the only one against?

Simonetti, PT

Chestertown, MD

>

> Group,

> How bout an informal survey?

>

> For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

>

[Guest guest]

Am I the only one against?

Simonetti, PT

Chestertown, MD

>

> Group,

> How bout an informal survey?

>

> For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

>

[Guest guest]

" Am I the only one against? "

:

No, you are not. In fact, as Lori has already pointed out, the

representative body of the profession (APTA) is against this as well. This

means that, in the event a patient claim malpractice by a PTA during the

performance of one of these interventions, the risks of losing such a

malpractice claim would be significantly higher than if the intervention

were performed by the PT. Again, just because something may be legal, or we

may personally feel it is appropriate, doesn't mean it's a " good idea " , or

that it is ethical.

Ken Mailly, PT

Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

Tel. 973 692-0033

Fax 973 633-9557

68 Seneca Trail

Wayne, NJ, 07470

www.NJPTAid.biz

Bridging the Gap!

Re: PTA's and joint mobs

Am I the only one against?

Simonetti, PT

Chestertown, MD

>

> Group,

> How bout an informal survey?

>

> For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

>

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[Guest guest]

" Am I the only one against? "

:

No, you are not. In fact, as Lori has already pointed out, the

representative body of the profession (APTA) is against this as well. This

means that, in the event a patient claim malpractice by a PTA during the

performance of one of these interventions, the risks of losing such a

malpractice claim would be significantly higher than if the intervention

were performed by the PT. Again, just because something may be legal, or we

may personally feel it is appropriate, doesn't mean it's a " good idea " , or

that it is ethical.

Ken Mailly, PT

Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

Tel. 973 692-0033

Fax 973 633-9557

68 Seneca Trail

Wayne, NJ, 07470

www.NJPTAid.biz

Bridging the Gap!

Re: PTA's and joint mobs

Am I the only one against?

Simonetti, PT

Chestertown, MD

>

> Group,

> How bout an informal survey?

>

> For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

>

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[Guest guest]

" Am I the only one against? "

:

No, you are not. In fact, as Lori has already pointed out, the

representative body of the profession (APTA) is against this as well. This

means that, in the event a patient claim malpractice by a PTA during the

performance of one of these interventions, the risks of losing such a

malpractice claim would be significantly higher than if the intervention

were performed by the PT. Again, just because something may be legal, or we

may personally feel it is appropriate, doesn't mean it's a " good idea " , or

that it is ethical.

Ken Mailly, PT

Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

Tel. 973 692-0033

Fax 973 633-9557

68 Seneca Trail

Wayne, NJ, 07470

www.NJPTAid.biz

Bridging the Gap!

Re: PTA's and joint mobs

Am I the only one against?

Simonetti, PT

Chestertown, MD

>

> Group,

> How bout an informal survey?

>

> For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

>

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[Guest guest]

As noted by others. I think it depends on educational/training level of the PTA

and where you are doing the joint mobilization. It also comes down to what the

PT's level of comfort is with delegating and supervising the PTA. I would not

allow a PTA do spine mobilization on a patient of mine due to I do not have the

education/training/experience of doing those mobilizations myself. Where as

grade 1 and 2 shoulder joint mobilizations during ROM(something, I am very

comfortable with), I have PTA's that have been to shoulder courses, know what a

grade 1 or 2 mobilization is (have the education/tranining)to complete these

activities, so yes I do have them complete this.

Kathy berger, P.T

Manager of Physical Therapy Services

Mercy Medical Center

Canton, Ohio

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

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[Guest guest]

Group,

I think the new ruling where PTA's cannot perform mobs is unfair. Joint mobs

were on our PTA cirriculum and we had to pass a compentency exam. I think PTA's

are perfectly educated and competent when it comes to mobs and there is no

reason they cannot do them. You go through all the anatomy to understand how

each joint functions. As long as you pass your competency with no problems, you

should be allowed to perform joint mobs.

, CPC-PTA

Billing Administrator

lin Physical Therapy, LLC

Joe Ruzich wrote:

Group,

How bout an informal survey?

For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

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[Guest guest]

Group,

I think the new ruling where PTA's cannot perform mobs is unfair. Joint mobs

were on our PTA cirriculum and we had to pass a compentency exam. I think PTA's

are perfectly educated and competent when it comes to mobs and there is no

reason they cannot do them. You go through all the anatomy to understand how

each joint functions. As long as you pass your competency with no problems, you

should be allowed to perform joint mobs.

, CPC-PTA

Billing Administrator

lin Physical Therapy, LLC

Joe Ruzich wrote:

Group,

How bout an informal survey?

For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

My two cents:

An outstanding Manual Therapist in Scotland was asked

by myself:

How do you become a great Manual Therapist?

Answer:

" You can teach a Monkey to do Mobilizations, it's the

structure related to function that you need to know " .

So if your PTA's are competent in that area, (why they

are doing it), go for it. If not, probably not a good

idea.

Weird I was not born with my manual skills. How and

when do we teach these to PTA's?

I feel this is each supervising therapists discretion

since you are legally responsible for the PTA's under

your supervision.

Russ Case PT

--- Ken Mailly wrote:

> " Am I the only one against? "

>

> :

>

> No, you are not. In fact, as Lori has already

> pointed out, the

> representative body of the profession (APTA) is

> against this as well. This

> means that, in the event a patient claim malpractice

> by a PTA during the

> performance of one of these interventions, the risks

> of losing such a

> malpractice claim would be significantly higher than

> if the intervention

> were performed by the PT. Again, just because

> something may be legal, or we

> may personally feel it is appropriate, doesn't mean

> it's a " good idea " , or

> that it is ethical.

>

>

> Ken Mailly, PT

> Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

> Tel. 973 692-0033

> Fax 973 633-9557

> 68 Seneca Trail

> Wayne, NJ, 07470

> www.NJPTAid.biz

>

> Bridging the Gap!

>

> Re: PTA's and joint mobs

>

> Am I the only one against?

>

> Simonetti, PT

> Chestertown, MD

>

>

>

> >

> > Group,

> > How bout an informal survey?

> >

> > For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Looking to start your own Practice?

> Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

> Bring PTManager to your organization or State

> Association with a

> professional workshop or course - call us at 313

> 884-8920 to arrange

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> professional association. Join

> and participate now!

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

My two cents:

An outstanding Manual Therapist in Scotland was asked

by myself:

How do you become a great Manual Therapist?

Answer:

" You can teach a Monkey to do Mobilizations, it's the

structure related to function that you need to know " .

So if your PTA's are competent in that area, (why they

are doing it), go for it. If not, probably not a good

idea.

Weird I was not born with my manual skills. How and

when do we teach these to PTA's?

I feel this is each supervising therapists discretion

since you are legally responsible for the PTA's under

your supervision.

Russ Case PT

--- Ken Mailly wrote:

> " Am I the only one against? "

>

> :

>

> No, you are not. In fact, as Lori has already

> pointed out, the

> representative body of the profession (APTA) is

> against this as well. This

> means that, in the event a patient claim malpractice

> by a PTA during the

> performance of one of these interventions, the risks

> of losing such a

> malpractice claim would be significantly higher than

> if the intervention

> were performed by the PT. Again, just because

> something may be legal, or we

> may personally feel it is appropriate, doesn't mean

> it's a " good idea " , or

> that it is ethical.

>

>

> Ken Mailly, PT

> Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

> Tel. 973 692-0033

> Fax 973 633-9557

> 68 Seneca Trail

> Wayne, NJ, 07470

> www.NJPTAid.biz

>

> Bridging the Gap!

>

> Re: PTA's and joint mobs

>

> Am I the only one against?

>

> Simonetti, PT

> Chestertown, MD

>

>

>

> >

> > Group,

> > How bout an informal survey?

> >

> > For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Looking to start your own Practice?

> Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

> Bring PTManager to your organization or State

> Association with a

> professional workshop or course - call us at 313

> 884-8920 to arrange

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> professional association. Join

> and participate now!

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

My two cents:

An outstanding Manual Therapist in Scotland was asked

by myself:

How do you become a great Manual Therapist?

Answer:

" You can teach a Monkey to do Mobilizations, it's the

structure related to function that you need to know " .

So if your PTA's are competent in that area, (why they

are doing it), go for it. If not, probably not a good

idea.

Weird I was not born with my manual skills. How and

when do we teach these to PTA's?

I feel this is each supervising therapists discretion

since you are legally responsible for the PTA's under

your supervision.

Russ Case PT

--- Ken Mailly wrote:

> " Am I the only one against? "

>

> :

>

> No, you are not. In fact, as Lori has already

> pointed out, the

> representative body of the profession (APTA) is

> against this as well. This

> means that, in the event a patient claim malpractice

> by a PTA during the

> performance of one of these interventions, the risks

> of losing such a

> malpractice claim would be significantly higher than

> if the intervention

> were performed by the PT. Again, just because

> something may be legal, or we

> may personally feel it is appropriate, doesn't mean

> it's a " good idea " , or

> that it is ethical.

>

>

> Ken Mailly, PT

> Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

> Tel. 973 692-0033

> Fax 973 633-9557

> 68 Seneca Trail

> Wayne, NJ, 07470

> www.NJPTAid.biz

>

> Bridging the Gap!

>

> Re: PTA's and joint mobs

>

> Am I the only one against?

>

> Simonetti, PT

> Chestertown, MD

>

>

>

> >

> > Group,

> > How bout an informal survey?

> >

> > For or against PTA's performing joint mobs?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Looking to start your own Practice?

> Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

> Bring PTManager to your organization or State

> Association with a

> professional workshop or course - call us at 313

> 884-8920 to arrange

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>

[Guest guest]

(sigh)

It is not a " ruling " , it is a position statement which generally means is a

firmly held position (there could have been some changes to the definition this

year at the HOD, I don't see the minutes posted on the APTA website yet).

I seem recall there was no easy answer on this motion in the HOD. To attempt

to capture the thoughts of those " in the middle " ... some members felt that

extremity mobs were fine, but how is that reconciled with the ongoing evaluative

demands of the intervention and how are the skills for spine and extremity

mobs " different " .

There are many things that are proposed legislatively in this country that

many (even sometimes a majority) do not agree with (or visa versa). Now that we

have the motion on the books, you can become more active/lobby to change it,

approach your delegation with suggestions to improve/change it, etc.

If people want to discuss this, great, but do the work ahead of time and

present a well thought out missive. I get tired of what I often see as trolling

for topics covered in sheep's clothing (this topic was just the one that

" pushed me to post " ). I agree that raising awareness of topics is great, but I

find

it a bit disingenuous to " throw out a raw topic " that precipitates

reactionary responses.

Not having an opinion, just looking for more thoughtful responses (and

questions),

Dee Daley, PT

>

> Seems to be just you and Ken at this point, besides of course the APTA.

> That is of course why I posted this. My question is does the APTA's stance

> mirror the majority of its members?

>

> RE: Re: PTA's and joint mobs

>

> " Am I the only one against? "

>

> :

>

> No, you are not. In fact, as Lori has already pointed out, the

> representative body of the profession (APTA) is against this as well. This

> means that, in the event a patient claim malpractice by a PTA during the

> performance of one of these interventions, the risks of losing such a

> malpractice claim would be significantly higher than if the intervention

> were performed by the PT. Again, just because something may be legal, or we

> may personally feel it is appropriate, doesn't mean it's a " good idea " , or

> that it is ethical.

>

>

> Ken Mailly, PT

> Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

>

[Guest guest]

Russ,

I agree, thanks for the reply.

I feel it is a poor choice for the APTA to force us to not have this option.

To me that would seem to convey we are not ethical or professional enough to

make this decision on our own.

Re: PTA's and joint mobs

>

> Am I the only one against?

>

> Simonetti, PT

> Chestertown, MD

>

>

>

> >

> > Group,

> > How bout an informal survey?

> >

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Russ,

I agree, thanks for the reply.

I feel it is a poor choice for the APTA to force us to not have this option.

To me that would seem to convey we are not ethical or professional enough to

make this decision on our own.

Re: PTA's and joint mobs

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> Simonetti, PT

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[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I agree that the PT should properly supervise and delegate this task to a

PTA's based on the individual PTA's experience level. I also would like to

state that personally I am speaking primarily of mobs to the shoulder and

knee which I perceive as having less potential for injury that the spine.

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I agree that the PT should properly supervise and delegate this task to a

PTA's based on the individual PTA's experience level. I also would like to

state that personally I am speaking primarily of mobs to the shoulder and

knee which I perceive as having less potential for injury that the spine.

Michigan HMOs

I have a couple of providers who are interested in participating in the

following networks: Cigna, BCN, HAP and Care Choices/Preferred Choices, but

are being turned away with " Our PT panel is full right now try again in 6

mos to a yr. " They are already using PTPN, but the previously mentioned

contracts are not included in PTPNs contract list. Are there any other PT/OT

credentialing companies out there that mey be able to help them gain

in-network status? (or any pointers on getting into " closed/full panels).

Thanks!

Looking to start your own Practice?

Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

Bring PTManager to your organization or State Association with a

professional workshop or course - call us at 313 884-8920 to arrange

PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

and participate now!