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Thanks Allyn, I'll try the sea salt in water. I'll also check out the

magnesium gel.

Thank you,

Judy

> Hi Judy,

> You might want to add real sea salt to water for minerals 1/8 tsp.

to a

> glass (or more if it is too salty). Also might want to add

magnesium. I

> use magnesium gel from www.globallight.net. You just rub it on

your body or

> buy the flakes and soak. You can also soak in Epsom salts which

will then

> absorb through your skin.

> Allyn

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I'll look into getting these suppliments to add to my diet. It also

sounds like I need to start soaking in epsom salt. Does the epsom

salt give my body something extra, or is it just for the sore muscles?

I do have lots of white spots on my nails. I thought that meant I

needed more zinc?

I will start paying attention to the way I walk and stand. I think

your right, I may tend to put alot of weight on the ball of my foot

for some reason. I have inserts that I wear in my shoe for the

mortons neuroma that helps most of the time.

I wish I could afford to have someone work on my feet, it sounds like

it would feel wonderful! But I'll try the magnesium and extra calcium

first.

Thank you,

Judy

Judy,

> I get leg cramps when I don't supplement with calcium/magnesium and

> take one tsp. each dolomite and Now brand bone meal every day to

> prevent them. Perhaps some epsom salt baths might also be useful

for you.

>

> Do you have any white spots on your nails? Are you getting at least

> the rda of cal/mag--and hopefully more--daily? I'm guessing not,

from

> what you listed, unless you drink a lot of milk each day--do you eat

> much cheese?

>

> Also, imo Morton'e neuroma is caused by walking on the ball of the

> foot, instead of distributing the weight evenly accross the whole

> foot, which causes a spot beneath the foot where it meets the

> toe--where there is a nerve-ending--to make weighted contact on a

> continual basis, which is tremendously irritating, since this spot

on

> the foot shouldn't be weight-bearing, particularly, it should be

> tucked up and underneath.

>

> This can be greatly aggravated by the shoes, like if you always

wear

> stiletto heels, for instance--or if the shoes are too tight--but

> it's typically a matter of habitual stance. Thus, it can be

> corrected--or at least eased considerably--by becoming aware of how

> you stand upon the feet, and learning to press down upon the entire

> sole of the foot evenly, as if there were four corners to the foot,

> and each was given equal pressure, paying especial attention to the

> heels, and bringing the weight of the back of the body down upon

them.

>

> Sometimes, from too-tight shoes--or cleats, from childhood

> sports--have deformed the foot somewhat, and caused the toes to be

> drawn up permanently, as the tendons on the top of the foot become

too

> tight, exposing that tender little nerve-ending. This is a little

> more problematic, and though you can work it out yourself, you would

> likely benefit greatly from someone who can do myofascial work on

the

> feet as well as demonstrate for you the fundamentals of posture,

> stance, and gait.

> B.

> /your fake web md

>

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I have heard white spots are from lack of zinc as well.

Allyn

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,

I'll look into getting these suppliments to add to my diet. It also

sounds like I need to start soaking in epsom salt. Does the epsom

salt give my body something extra, or is it just for the sore muscles?

I do have lots of white spots on my nails. I thought that meant I

needed more zinc?

I will start paying attention to the way I walk and stand. I think

your right, I may tend to put alot of weight on the ball of my foot

for some reason. I have inserts that I wear in my shoe for the

mortons neuroma that helps most of the time.

I wish I could afford to have someone work on my feet, it sounds like

it would feel wonderful! But I'll try the magnesium and extra calcium

first.

Thank you,

Judy

Judy,

> I get leg cramps when I don't supplement with calcium/magnesium and

> take one tsp. each dolomite and Now brand bone meal every day to

> prevent them. Perhaps some epsom salt baths might also be useful

for you.

>

> Do you have any white spots on your nails? Are you getting at least

> the rda of cal/mag--and hopefully more--daily? I'm guessing not,

from

> what you listed, unless you drink a lot of milk each day--do you eat

> much cheese?

>

> Also, imo Morton'e neuroma is caused by walking on the ball of the

> foot, instead of distributing the weight evenly accross the whole

> foot, which causes a spot beneath the foot where it meets the

> toe--where there is a nerve-ending--to make weighted contact on a

> continual basis, which is tremendously irritating, since this spot

on

> the foot shouldn't be weight-bearing, particularly, it should be

> tucked up and underneath.

>

> This can be greatly aggravated by the shoes, like if you always

wear

> stiletto heels, for instance--or if the shoes are too tight--but

> it's typically a matter of habitual stance. Thus, it can be

> corrected--or at least eased considerably--by becoming aware of how

> you stand upon the feet, and learning to press down upon the entire

> sole of the foot evenly, as if there were four corners to the foot,

> and each was given equal pressure, paying especial attention to the

> heels, and bringing the weight of the back of the body down upon

them.

>

> Sometimes, from too-tight shoes--or cleats, from childhood

> sports--have deformed the foot somewhat, and caused the toes to be

> drawn up permanently, as the tendons on the top of the foot become

too

> tight, exposing that tender little nerve-ending. This is a little

> more problematic, and though you can work it out yourself, you would

> likely benefit greatly from someone who can do myofascial work on

the

> feet as well as demonstrate for you the fundamentals of posture,

> stance, and gait.

> B.

> /your fake web md

>

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I orignially only put sea salt in my water for the cramps in my legs and it did

help but then I found I was iodine deficient and they recommend the magnesium be

added. You can put it anywhere you have aches, I.e. shoulders, etc.

allyn

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Thanks Allyn, I'll try the sea salt in water. I'll also check out the

magnesium gel.

Thank you,

Judy

> Hi Judy,

> You might want to add real sea salt to water for minerals 1/8 tsp.

to a

> glass (or more if it is too salty). Also might want to add

magnesium. I

> use magnesium gel from www.globallight.net<http://www.globallight.net/>.

You just rub it on

your body or

> buy the flakes and soak. You can also soak in Epsom salts which

will then

> absorb through your skin.

> Allyn

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>Hi Judy,

I my experience, people including myself, overlook some obvious

potential solutions in favor of ones that seem more sophisticated.

One simple approach is to try to increase your calories with fats.

(Fats help metabolize protein.) This may apply to you since you are

slim. This approach worked for me, a thin person that had trouble

gaining weight. My muscles became much stronger and I was able to

get back into a decent amount of exercize. It was a slow healing

process, however.

You didn't list any fats such as butter, marrow etc. in your diet.

Do you eat much of these?

Alan

land

>

> Hello,

>

> I am 45, slim and I am starting to have aches and

> pains in my muscles, particularly my legs and feet. I

> usually only where tennis shoes and I'm pretty active.

> Walking my dogs in the woods about an hour every

> morning.

>

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Don't know if this will help, but since I have been religious about

having bone broth every day, my leg cramps have gone away.

Ann

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am 45, slim and I am starting to have aches and

> > pains in my muscles, particularly my legs and feet...

>

> > I'm wondering if there is a supplement, or some

> > nutrition I am missing. I try to eat grass fed meats,

> > and lots of salads and other veggies, liver at least

> > once a week, milk and water kefir, kimchee and lots

> > of bone broths.

> ...

> > Every night my feet are cramping up, I'm getting a

> > bunion on the side of one foot, and I have Morton's

> > Neuroma in the other foot. My foot Dr. told me you

> > get these from too tight shoes, but I usually only

> > wear the tennis shoes, or flip flops in the summer.

> >

> > Is their anything I can eat or take to help my muscles

> > out?

>

> Judy,

> I get leg cramps when I don't supplement with calcium/magnesium and

> take one tsp. each dolomite and Now brand bone meal every day to

> prevent them. Perhaps some epsom salt baths might also be useful

for you.

>

> Do you have any white spots on your nails? Are you getting at least

> the rda of cal/mag--and hopefully more--daily? I'm guessing not, from

> what you listed, unless you drink a lot of milk each day--do you eat

> much cheese?

>

> Also, imo Morton'e neuroma is caused by walking on the ball of the

> foot, instead of distributing the weight evenly accross the whole

> foot, which causes a spot beneath the foot where it meets the

> toe--where there is a nerve-ending--to make weighted contact on a

> continual basis, which is tremendously irritating, since this spot on

> the foot shouldn't be weight-bearing, particularly, it should be

> tucked up and underneath.

>

> This can be greatly aggravated by the shoes, like if you always wear

> stiletto heels, for instance--or if the shoes are too tight--but

> it's typically a matter of habitual stance. Thus, it can be

> corrected--or at least eased considerably--by becoming aware of how

> you stand upon the feet, and learning to press down upon the entire

> sole of the foot evenly, as if there were four corners to the foot,

> and each was given equal pressure, paying especial attention to the

> heels, and bringing the weight of the back of the body down upon them.

>

> Sometimes, from too-tight shoes--or cleats, from childhood

> sports--have deformed the foot somewhat, and caused the toes to be

> drawn up permanently, as the tendons on the top of the foot become too

> tight, exposing that tender little nerve-ending. This is a little

> more problematic, and though you can work it out yourself, you would

> likely benefit greatly from someone who can do myofascial work on the

> feet as well as demonstrate for you the fundamentals of posture,

> stance, and gait.

> B.

> /your fake web md

>

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Hi Alan,

Thanks for the reply. I missed a lot of foods when I described what I

eat. I cook with vco and ghee, season my food with sea salt, and

use tons of butter. In my morning milk kefir smoothie I usually put

several tablespoons of VCO, 2 raw egg yolks, sometimes coconut milk

when I have some around, along with in season berries.

I think I get marrow from my soup stocks?

Do you think I need to add more fat for my achy muscles? I don't

feel too skinny, just thin enough.

Thanks,

Judy

> >Hi Judy,

>

> I my experience, people including myself, overlook some obvious

> potential solutions in favor of ones that seem more sophisticated.

> One simple approach is to try to increase your calories with fats.

> (Fats help metabolize protein.) This may apply to you since you

are

> slim. This approach worked for me, a thin person that had trouble

> gaining weight. My muscles became much stronger and I was able to

> get back into a decent amount of exercize. It was a slow healing

> process, however.

>

> You didn't list any fats such as butter, marrow etc. in your diet.

> Do you eat much of these?

>

> Alan

> land

>

>

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am 45, slim and I am starting to have aches and

> > pains in my muscles, particularly my legs and feet. I

> > usually only where tennis shoes and I'm pretty active.

> > Walking my dogs in the woods about an hour every

> > morning.

> >

> >

>

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Thanks Ann,

Maybe I'll make bone broths a usual for my lunch, and see if that helps.

Thanks,

Judy

-- In , " annbekins " <annbekins@...>

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>

> Don't know if this will help, but since I have been religious about

> having bone broth every day, my leg cramps have gone away.

>

> Ann

>

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wrote:

> I'll look into getting these suppliments to add to my diet. It also

> sounds like I need to start soaking in epsom salt. Does the epsom

> salt give my body something extra, or is it just for the sore muscles?

>

> I do have lots of white spots on my nails. I thought that meant I

> needed more zinc?

<snip>

Judy,

You might try the supplements first, to see if you get a decrease in

symptoms, thus confirming that cal/mag deficiency is an issue.

But optimally, you'll get these minerals from your food, and

apparently you like to prepare and eat good food, so you can research

good sources of what you seem to be lacking and get them into your

diet that way.

More bone broth is never a bad tack, but no one is sure of the

*quantity* of minerals in it, so it may or may not provide you with

the amount you need. Perhaps develop a taste for sardines and such,

and if you like cheese, that's surely a good source as well.

Then you can use the supplements as, well, supplements, as needed.

Ayurvedic medicine says white spots on nails indicate calcium

deficiency, also zinc iirc. I've found this to be true with my own

nails though I seem to be the only one saying it around here.

When I googled " Morton's neuroma " the sites all said that while shoes

can aggravate it, it can otherwise " just appear " for no reason.

I liken this to allopathic docs telling people that all these modern

degenerative diseases are " genetic " , as I've seen many Morton's

neuromas and--to a one--every person has had seriously warped feet

from either shoes or a lifetime of body misalignment, or both.

The muscles and connective tissues of the backside of the legs may be

shortened, preventing you from standing otherwise comfortably, think

of Barbie doll and how her legs and feet look from wearing heels all

her life. Or you may have simply walked on the balls of your feet

since you were a child, which is suggested when you say you are slim,

as that indicates a light, " airy " quality, and walking on the

balls/toes is a very ungrounded way to move about in the world, and

not unusual in those lightly built.

A good way to help is to practice stances which " ground " you,

introducing you to gravity, activating/developing the hamstrings and

sinking the heels.

Perhaps a Tai chi or Feldenkrais DVD? A brief consult with a teacher

of either of these methods, if possible, would be very good for the

hands-on feedback.

A simple exercise at home is to take a light hand towel and lay it

beneath the front of the foot, while seated, then gather and scooch it

beneath, bit by bit, using only the toes. Do every day. Sometimes the

toes can be severely jacked up--not even making contact with the

floor, or barely--and this will train them to move forward and

downward, lengthening the tendons on top of the foot which keep the

toes pulled up and back.

Rolling a tennis ball--or even better, a pinecone--under the foot is

always good for general demolition of the plantar fascia; put as much

weight on it as possible.

Oh, and Epsom salts is some or other form of magnesium, which can be

absorbed through the skin.

Fin!

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There is magnesium in the Epson salts.

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--- In , " frumpyhead " <frumpyhead@...>

wrote:

> I'll look into getting these suppliments to add to my diet. It also

> sounds like I need to start soaking in epsom salt. Does the epsom

> salt give my body something extra, or is it just for the sore muscles?

>

> I do have lots of white spots on my nails. I thought that meant I

> needed more zinc?

<snip>

Judy,

You might try the supplements first, to see if you get a decrease in

symptoms, thus confirming that cal/mag deficiency is an issue.

But optimally, you'll get these minerals from your food, and

apparently you like to prepare and eat good food, so you can research

good sources of what you seem to be lacking and get them into your

diet that way.

More bone broth is never a bad tack, but no one is sure of the

*quantity* of minerals in it, so it may or may not provide you with

the amount you need. Perhaps develop a taste for sardines and such,

and if you like cheese, that's surely a good source as well.

Then you can use the supplements as, well, supplements, as needed.

Ayurvedic medicine says white spots on nails indicate calcium

deficiency, also zinc iirc. I've found this to be true with my own

nails though I seem to be the only one saying it around here.

When I googled " Morton's neuroma " the sites all said that while shoes

can aggravate it, it can otherwise " just appear " for no reason.

I liken this to allopathic docs telling people that all these modern

degenerative diseases are " genetic " , as I've seen many Morton's

neuromas and--to a one--every person has had seriously warped feet

from either shoes or a lifetime of body misalignment, or both.

The muscles and connective tissues of the backside of the legs may be

shortened, preventing you from standing otherwise comfortably, think

of Barbie doll and how her legs and feet look from wearing heels all

her life. Or you may have simply walked on the balls of your feet

since you were a child, which is suggested when you say you are slim,

as that indicates a light, " airy " quality, and walking on the

balls/toes is a very ungrounded way to move about in the world, and

not unusual in those lightly built.

A good way to help is to practice stances which " ground " you,

introducing you to gravity, activating/developing the hamstrings and

sinking the heels.

Perhaps a Tai chi or Feldenkrais DVD? A brief consult with a teacher

of either of these methods, if possible, would be very good for the

hands-on feedback.

A simple exercise at home is to take a light hand towel and lay it

beneath the front of the foot, while seated, then gather and scooch it

beneath, bit by bit, using only the toes. Do every day. Sometimes the

toes can be severely jacked up--not even making contact with the

floor, or barely--and this will train them to move forward and

downward, lengthening the tendons on top of the foot which keep the

toes pulled up and back.

Rolling a tennis ball--or even better, a pinecone--under the foot is

always good for general demolition of the plantar fascia; put as much

weight on it as possible.

Oh, and Epsom salts is some or other form of magnesium, which can be

absorbed through the skin.

Fin!

B.

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Judy,

You mentioned hiking in the woods. Have you been checked for lymes disease?

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Thanks Ann,

Maybe I'll make bone broths a usual for my lunch, and see if that helps.

Thanks,

Judy

-- In , " annbekins " <annbekins@...>

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> Don't know if this will help, but since I have been religious about

> having bone broth every day, my leg cramps have gone away.

>

> Ann

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Judy,

I have this same problem. According to my chiropractor: It is a combination

of unfit muscles which cause the bad posture, which then forces you to walk

on the balls of your feet. He says that in my case, it is that my neck is

very long and my head often tilts too far forward, pulling the rest of me

out of whack and forcing me to push out my butt more to compensate - causing

a kind of sway back. I find that the Earth brand of shoes really helps,

since their design forces you to walk on your heels more. I'm still working

on a more permanent solution... but for now the shoes are a great reminder

not to walk on the balls of my feet.

-Lana

I will start paying attention to the way I walk and stand. I think

> your right, I may tend to put alot of weight on the ball of my foot

> for some reason.

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> A simple exercise at home is to take a light hand towel and lay it

> beneath the front of the foot, while seated, then gather and scooch it

> beneath, bit by bit, using only the toes. Do every day.

Meh, make sure, if you try this, that the foot is completely flat on

the floor--and that means the heel--as you wield the towel with the toes.

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I'm getting so many tips and thoughts on my achy feet. Thank you so

much to everyone replying, I have many things I'm going to start to do

to try to help!

I'm also going to see about getting a lyme disease test. A couple of

people pointed out achy muscles can be a sign, also the fact that I

walk in the woods daily. I avoid going to the doctors like the plague,

so I'm not happy about that. I especially don't know what I will do if

I turn out positive for it and I might want to choose alternative means

to take care of it. Disagreeing with what a doctor might tell me to do

won't be easy.

Thanks again!

Judy

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>Judy,

Yes, I would first try checking the obvious options, which in this

case are dietary. Muscle cramps

could indicate a lack of metabolized protein, and the associated

minerals which are contained in protein. Therefore, the approach is

to

increase either fats, protein, or a combination of both. I also had

muscle cramps (and twitches) before I built up my muscles.

You might also see if a slight reduction in exercise also reduces the

cramps.

Alan

land

> >

> Thanks for the reply. I missed a lot of foods when I described what

I

> eat. I cook with vco and ghee, season my food with sea salt, and

> use tons of butter. In my morning milk kefir smoothie I usually put

> several tablespoons of VCO, 2 raw egg yolks, sometimes coconut milk

> when I have some around, along with in season berries.

>

> I think I get marrow from my soup stocks?

>

> Do you think I need to add more fat for my achy muscles? I don't

> feel too skinny, just thin enough.

>

> Thanks,

> Judy

>

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Well, you can do what I have done -- I go to the doctor, get the test,

nod a lot while she tells me what she wants me to do and writes a

bunch of prescriptions, then never darken her door again!

Or you might be able to find a naturopath or D.O. who will be more

open and can still order the test.

Ron Schmid had lyme disease, and talks about treating it on the Weston

Price site:

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/chronicdisease.html

Good luck!

Ann

--- In , " frumpyhead " <frumpyhead@...>

wrote:

>

> I'm getting so many tips and thoughts on my achy feet. Thank you so

> much to everyone replying, I have many things I'm going to start to do

> to try to help!

>

> I'm also going to see about getting a lyme disease test. A couple of

> people pointed out achy muscles can be a sign, also the fact that I

> walk in the woods daily. I avoid going to the doctors like the plague,

> so I'm not happy about that. I especially don't know what I will do if

> I turn out positive for it and I might want to choose alternative means

> to take care of it. Disagreeing with what a doctor might tell me to do

> won't be easy.

>

> Thanks again!

> Judy

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Judy, you gotten lots of good suggestions and I would also recommend

that you get your thyroid levels checked, Free T3 and Free T4, TSH is

the only thing most docs want to test, especially if you have other

thyroid symptoms

I actually had a diagnosis of heel spurs 20 years ago, and my feet

and legs ached so bad I could hardly walk upon rising from a chair or

getting out of bed, lots of cramps in my feet and ankles, tried all

the supplments, etc until my dx with hypoThyroid approx 8 months

ago. It's a miracle! I feel much better, take armour thyroid, which

is porcine thyroid USP, the synthetics just keep you sick, and the

docs can sell you all kinds of prescriptions to treat the symptoms

that synthetic thyroid does not relieve.

check out stopthethyroidmadness.com and there's a great group,

Natural Thyroid Hormones

You would not believe all the symptoms that are related to thyroid

and adrenal fatigue goes right along with this.

lynn

--- In , frumpyhead <frumpyhead@...>

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>

> Hello,

>

> I am 45, slim and I am starting to have aches and

> pains in my muscles, particularly my legs and feet. I

> usually only where tennis shoes and I'm pretty active.

> Walking my dogs in the woods about an hour every

> morning.

>

> I'm wondering if there is a supplement, or some

> nutrition I am missing. I try to eat grass fed meats,

> and lots of salads and other veggies, liver at least

> once a week, milk and water kefir, kimchee and lots

> of bone broths.

>

> I take a lot of vitamin c,1/2 tsp blue ice clo, and a

> vitamin b complex.

>

> Every night my feet are cramping up, I'm getting a

> bunion on the side of one foot, and I have Morton's

> Neuroma in the other foot. My foot Dr. told me you

> get these from too tight shoes, but I usually only

> wear the tennis shoes, or flip flops in the summer.

>

> Is their anything I can eat or take to help my muscles

> out?

>

> Thanks!

> Judy

>

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I had to chuckle when it read this post because that is what I did this week at

the vets. My dogs are on a raw diet and have sparkling teeth and he wanted to

put my little one down to clean hers. I took their estimate, said thank you,

walked out the door and said to myself, " I DON'T THINK SO! " . I understand they

have to make money but I am not stupid and I can see if their teeth are in need

of cleaning. Doctors are the same way and that is how so many people get caught

up in the viscous cycle and like one of my friends after 7 years of letting

doctors dictate to her, she is now totally disabled and continues to spend a

majority of her time in the hospital. It is so very sad.

Allyn

Re: aches and pains

Well, you can do what I have done -- I go to the doctor, get the test,

nod a lot while she tells me what she wants me to do and writes a

bunch of prescriptions, then never darken her door again!

Or you might be able to find a naturopath or D.O. who will be more

open and can still order the test.

Ron Schmid had lyme disease, and talks about treating it on the Weston

Price site:

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/chronicdisease.html<http://www.weston\

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Good luck!

Ann

>

> I'm getting so many tips and thoughts on my achy feet. Thank you so

> much to everyone replying, I have many things I'm going to start to do

> to try to help!

>

> I'm also going to see about getting a lyme disease test. A couple of

> people pointed out achy muscles can be a sign, also the fact that I

> walk in the woods daily. I avoid going to the doctors like the plague,

> so I'm not happy about that. I especially don't know what I will do if

> I turn out positive for it and I might want to choose alternative means

> to take care of it. Disagreeing with what a doctor might tell me to do

> won't be easy.

>

> Thanks again!

> Judy

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Judy,

The Canadian Lyme Foundation says that because of the high number of

false negatives for the lyme disease tests, it really has to be a

clinical diagnosis, based on symptoms rather than bloodwork. They

have the list of symptoms on their website: www.canlyme.com. If you

have around 15 - 20 of them it's highly indicative of lyme. You can

see the salt/c protocol, which I used successfully

at //health./group/lyme-strategies/ (I think that's

it!).

- Renate

> >

> > I'm getting so many tips and thoughts on my achy feet. Thank you

so

> > much to everyone replying, I have many things I'm going to start

to do

> > to try to help!

> >

> > I'm also going to see about getting a lyme disease test. A

couple of

> > people pointed out achy muscles can be a sign, also the fact

that I

> > walk in the woods daily. I avoid going to the doctors like the

plague,

> > so I'm not happy about that. I especially don't know what I will

do if

> > I turn out positive for it and I might want to choose

alternative means

> > to take care of it. Disagreeing with what a doctor might tell me

to do

> > won't be easy.

> >

> > Thanks again!

> > Judy

> >

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My vet wanted $1000 for my new puppy to see a cardiologist about his

heart murmur. I put him on raw food and a couple of months later

she couldn't find the murmur.

> >

> > I'm getting so many tips and thoughts on my achy feet. Thank

you so

> > much to everyone replying, I have many things I'm going to

start to do

> > to try to help!

> >

> > I'm also going to see about getting a lyme disease test. A

couple of

> > people pointed out achy muscles can be a sign, also the fact

that I

> > walk in the woods daily. I avoid going to the doctors like

the plague,

> > so I'm not happy about that. I especially don't know what I

will do if

> > I turn out positive for it and I might want to choose

alternative means

> > to take care of it. Disagreeing with what a doctor might tell

me to do

> > won't be easy.

> >

> > Thanks again!

> > Judy

> >

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Yes, and with doctors these days, too often they just run you through

the factory line -- when I hit 50, the doctor sent me for a whole

bunch of tests, having nothing to do with my personal risk factors or

anything. Especially the time she told me I shoudl take Metamucil for

more fiber -- I said, I have a bowel movement three times a day, why

on earth would I do that? She says no American gets enough fiber (she

is from India.) Well, that is probably true for a lot of people, but

I'd just explained why it wasn't true for me, but her textbook said

Over 50 = Metamucil, so she was sticking to it!

For many years, I have had blood pressure medication, statins, insulin

(I am diabetic, and the answer to everything is drugs and more

drugs!), and other assorted pills constantly pushed on me. I became

furious when I informed her I thought statins were ridiculous for me

because heart disease does not run in my family but cancer does, and I

am a cancer survivor, so why would she want me to take a carcinogenic

drug like Crestor? She told me I was ridiculous for thinking it

caused cancer. But right on the package insert itself, it said

clearly that it had caused tumors in rats. I was sure if I trotted

out " Cholesterol Myths " she would dismiss it as quackery, but when it

actually says that on the package insert, you would think she would

take notice! I was going to her to get my insulin renewed, because I

do still need it, but I definitely dropped her after that.

Then I saw a naturopath who pushed soy and the Blood type diet. She

was nice, but winced when I mentioned raw milk, and was definitely on

the cholesterol lowering bandwagon (she prescribed soy for that!)

I finally found a D.O. who is a member of WAPF, and he got me off all

the pills and onto strict WAPF -- my insulin needs have already been

cut by 2/3. The D.O. can prescribe insulin if I need it, but he

thinks I can get off it in time with good nutrition. What a relief to

finally find a doctor like this! It took me 12 years!

Ann

> >

> > I'm getting so many tips and thoughts on my achy feet. Thank you so

> > much to everyone replying, I have many things I'm going to start

to do

> > to try to help!

> >

> > I'm also going to see about getting a lyme disease test. A

couple of

> > people pointed out achy muscles can be a sign, also the fact

that I

> > walk in the woods daily. I avoid going to the doctors like the

plague,

> > so I'm not happy about that. I especially don't know what I will

do if

> > I turn out positive for it and I might want to choose

alternative means

> > to take care of it. Disagreeing with what a doctor might tell me

to do

> > won't be easy.

> >

> > Thanks again!

> > Judy

> >

>

>

>

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People say it can't be done, but my grandmother, who lived to 92, got

off insulin. The only time she needed it was when she overindulged in

ice cream - she had a weakness for it. Interestingly, she was a dairy

farmer, and they drank the raw milk.

--- In , " annbekins " <annbekins@...>

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>> I finally found a D.O. who is a member of WAPF, and he got me off

all

> the pills and onto strict WAPF -- my insulin needs have already been

> cut by 2/3. The D.O. can prescribe insulin if I need it, but he

> thinks I can get off it in time with good nutrition. What a relief

to

> finally find a doctor like this! It took me 12 years!

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> Ann

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Is there any chance you live in NJ? :)

-Lana

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> I finally found a D.O. who is a member of WAPF, and he got me off all

> the pills and onto strict WAPF -- my insulin needs have already been

> cut by 2/3. The D.O. can prescribe insulin if I need it, but he

> thinks I can get off it in time with good nutrition. What a relief to

> finally find a doctor like this! It took me 12 years!

>

> Ann

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I finally found a D.O. who is a member of WAPF, and he got me off all

the pills and onto strict WAPF --

--->How did you find him? I'd love to find a good doctor. ct

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Wow -- thanks for telling me that! I am drinking a quart of raw milk

a day. Yesterday it was my only carb source, and my blood sugars

stayed steady all day long. They should have gone up 150 points with

that amount of carb and no extra insulin.

I've been doing this six weeks, and they are slowly coming down, and I

am slowly decreasing the insulin. I think that's pretty good for six

weeks, since what I could find about this indicated it can take from 3

months to a year to normalize blood sugars this way.

Very cool about your grandmother.

Ann B.

> >> I finally found a D.O. who is a member of WAPF, and he got me off

> all

> > the pills and onto strict WAPF -- my insulin needs have already been

> > cut by 2/3. The D.O. can prescribe insulin if I need it, but he

> > thinks I can get off it in time with good nutrition. What a relief

> to

> > finally find a doctor like this! It took me 12 years!

> >

> > Ann

> >

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