Aches and pains

May 22, 2006

Thanks Allyn, I'll try the sea salt in water. I'll also check out the

magnesium gel.

Thank you,

Judy

> Hi Judy,

> You might want to add real sea salt to water for minerals 1/8 tsp.

to a

> glass (or more if it is too salty). Also might want to add

magnesium. I

> use magnesium gel from www.globallight.net. You just rub it on

your body or

> buy the flakes and soak. You can also soak in Epsom salts which

will then

> absorb through your skin.

> Allyn

>

May 22, 2006

,

I'll look into getting these suppliments to add to my diet. It also

sounds like I need to start soaking in epsom salt. Does the epsom

salt give my body something extra, or is it just for the sore muscles?

I do have lots of white spots on my nails. I thought that meant I

needed more zinc?

I will start paying attention to the way I walk and stand. I think

your right, I may tend to put alot of weight on the ball of my foot

for some reason. I have inserts that I wear in my shoe for the

mortons neuroma that helps most of the time.

I wish I could afford to have someone work on my feet, it sounds like

it would feel wonderful! But I'll try the magnesium and extra calcium

first.

Thank you,

Judy

Judy,

> I get leg cramps when I don't supplement with calcium/magnesium and

> take one tsp. each dolomite and Now brand bone meal every day to

> prevent them. Perhaps some epsom salt baths might also be useful

for you.

>

> Do you have any white spots on your nails? Are you getting at least

> the rda of cal/mag--and hopefully more--daily? I'm guessing not,

from

> what you listed, unless you drink a lot of milk each day--do you eat

> much cheese?

>

> Also, imo Morton'e neuroma is caused by walking on the ball of the

> foot, instead of distributing the weight evenly accross the whole

> foot, which causes a spot beneath the foot where it meets the

> toe--where there is a nerve-ending--to make weighted contact on a

> continual basis, which is tremendously irritating, since this spot

on

> the foot shouldn't be weight-bearing, particularly, it should be

> tucked up and underneath.

>

> This can be greatly aggravated by the shoes, like if you always

wear

> stiletto heels, for instance--or if the shoes are too tight--but

> it's typically a matter of habitual stance. Thus, it can be

> corrected--or at least eased considerably--by becoming aware of how

> you stand upon the feet, and learning to press down upon the entire

> sole of the foot evenly, as if there were four corners to the foot,

> and each was given equal pressure, paying especial attention to the

> heels, and bringing the weight of the back of the body down upon

them.

>

> Sometimes, from too-tight shoes--or cleats, from childhood

> sports--have deformed the foot somewhat, and caused the toes to be

> drawn up permanently, as the tendons on the top of the foot become

too

> tight, exposing that tender little nerve-ending. This is a little

> more problematic, and though you can work it out yourself, you would

> likely benefit greatly from someone who can do myofascial work on

the

> feet as well as demonstrate for you the fundamentals of posture,

> stance, and gait.

> B.

> /your fake web md

>

May 22, 2006

I have heard white spots are from lack of zinc as well.

Allyn

Re: aches and pains

,

I'll look into getting these suppliments to add to my diet. It also

sounds like I need to start soaking in epsom salt. Does the epsom

salt give my body something extra, or is it just for the sore muscles?

I do have lots of white spots on my nails. I thought that meant I

needed more zinc?

I will start paying attention to the way I walk and stand. I think

your right, I may tend to put alot of weight on the ball of my foot

for some reason. I have inserts that I wear in my shoe for the

mortons neuroma that helps most of the time.

I wish I could afford to have someone work on my feet, it sounds like

it would feel wonderful! But I'll try the magnesium and extra calcium

first.

Thank you,

Judy

Judy,

> I get leg cramps when I don't supplement with calcium/magnesium and

> take one tsp. each dolomite and Now brand bone meal every day to

> prevent them. Perhaps some epsom salt baths might also be useful

for you.

>

> Do you have any white spots on your nails? Are you getting at least

> the rda of cal/mag--and hopefully more--daily? I'm guessing not,

from

> what you listed, unless you drink a lot of milk each day--do you eat

> much cheese?

>

> Also, imo Morton'e neuroma is caused by walking on the ball of the

> foot, instead of distributing the weight evenly accross the whole

> foot, which causes a spot beneath the foot where it meets the

> toe--where there is a nerve-ending--to make weighted contact on a

> continual basis, which is tremendously irritating, since this spot

on

> the foot shouldn't be weight-bearing, particularly, it should be

> tucked up and underneath.

>

> This can be greatly aggravated by the shoes, like if you always

wear

> stiletto heels, for instance--or if the shoes are too tight--but

> it's typically a matter of habitual stance. Thus, it can be

> corrected--or at least eased considerably--by becoming aware of how

> you stand upon the feet, and learning to press down upon the entire

> sole of the foot evenly, as if there were four corners to the foot,

> and each was given equal pressure, paying especial attention to the

> heels, and bringing the weight of the back of the body down upon

them.

>

> Sometimes, from too-tight shoes--or cleats, from childhood

> sports--have deformed the foot somewhat, and caused the toes to be

> drawn up permanently, as the tendons on the top of the foot become

too

> tight, exposing that tender little nerve-ending. This is a little

> more problematic, and though you can work it out yourself, you would

> likely benefit greatly from someone who can do myofascial work on

the

> feet as well as demonstrate for you the fundamentals of posture,

> stance, and gait.

> B.

> /your fake web md

>

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I orignially only put sea salt in my water for the cramps in my legs and it did

help but then I found I was iodine deficient and they recommend the magnesium be

added. You can put it anywhere you have aches, I.e. shoulders, etc.

allyn

Re: aches and pains

Thanks Allyn, I'll try the sea salt in water. I'll also check out the

magnesium gel.

Thank you,

Judy

> Hi Judy,

> You might want to add real sea salt to water for minerals 1/8 tsp.

to a

> glass (or more if it is too salty). Also might want to add

magnesium. I

> use magnesium gel from www.globallight.net<http://www.globallight.net/>.

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your body or

> buy the flakes and soak. You can also soak in Epsom salts which

will then

> absorb through your skin.

> Allyn

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--- In , frumpyhead <frumpyhead@...>

wrote:

>Hi Judy,

I my experience, people including myself, overlook some obvious

potential solutions in favor of ones that seem more sophisticated.

One simple approach is to try to increase your calories with fats.

(Fats help metabolize protein.) This may apply to you since you are

slim. This approach worked for me, a thin person that had trouble

gaining weight. My muscles became much stronger and I was able to

get back into a decent amount of exercize. It was a slow healing

process, however.

You didn't list any fats such as butter, marrow etc. in your diet.

Do you eat much of these?

Alan

land

>

> Hello,

>

> I am 45, slim and I am starting to have aches and

> pains in my muscles, particularly my legs and feet. I

> usually only where tennis shoes and I'm pretty active.

> Walking my dogs in the woods about an hour every

> morning.

>

May 22, 2006

Don't know if this will help, but since I have been religious about

having bone broth every day, my leg cramps have gone away.

Ann

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am 45, slim and I am starting to have aches and

> > pains in my muscles, particularly my legs and feet...

>

> > I'm wondering if there is a supplement, or some

> > nutrition I am missing. I try to eat grass fed meats,

> > and lots of salads and other veggies, liver at least

> > once a week, milk and water kefir, kimchee and lots

> > of bone broths.

> ...

> > Every night my feet are cramping up, I'm getting a

> > bunion on the side of one foot, and I have Morton's

> > Neuroma in the other foot. My foot Dr. told me you

> > get these from too tight shoes, but I usually only

> > wear the tennis shoes, or flip flops in the summer.

> >

> > Is their anything I can eat or take to help my muscles

> > out?

>

> Judy,

> I get leg cramps when I don't supplement with calcium/magnesium and

> take one tsp. each dolomite and Now brand bone meal every day to

> prevent them. Perhaps some epsom salt baths might also be useful

for you.

>

> Do you have any white spots on your nails? Are you getting at least

> the rda of cal/mag--and hopefully more--daily? I'm guessing not, from

> what you listed, unless you drink a lot of milk each day--do you eat

> much cheese?

>

> Also, imo Morton'e neuroma is caused by walking on the ball of the

> foot, instead of distributing the weight evenly accross the whole

> foot, which causes a spot beneath the foot where it meets the

> toe--where there is a nerve-ending--to make weighted contact on a

> continual basis, which is tremendously irritating, since this spot on

> the foot shouldn't be weight-bearing, particularly, it should be

> tucked up and underneath.

>

> This can be greatly aggravated by the shoes, like if you always wear

> stiletto heels, for instance--or if the shoes are too tight--but

> it's typically a matter of habitual stance. Thus, it can be

> corrected--or at least eased considerably--by becoming aware of how

> you stand upon the feet, and learning to press down upon the entire

> sole of the foot evenly, as if there were four corners to the foot,

> and each was given equal pressure, paying especial attention to the

> heels, and bringing the weight of the back of the body down upon them.

>

> Sometimes, from too-tight shoes--or cleats, from childhood

> sports--have deformed the foot somewhat, and caused the toes to be

> drawn up permanently, as the tendons on the top of the foot become too

> tight, exposing that tender little nerve-ending. This is a little

> more problematic, and though you can work it out yourself, you would

> likely benefit greatly from someone who can do myofascial work on the

> feet as well as demonstrate for you the fundamentals of posture,

> stance, and gait.

> B.

> /your fake web md

>

May 22, 2006

Hi Alan,

Thanks for the reply. I missed a lot of foods when I described what I

eat. I cook with vco and ghee, season my food with sea salt, and

use tons of butter. In my morning milk kefir smoothie I usually put

several tablespoons of VCO, 2 raw egg yolks, sometimes coconut milk

when I have some around, along with in season berries.

I think I get marrow from my soup stocks?

Do you think I need to add more fat for my achy muscles? I don't

feel too skinny, just thin enough.

Thanks,

Judy

> >Hi Judy,

>

> I my experience, people including myself, overlook some obvious

> potential solutions in favor of ones that seem more sophisticated.

> One simple approach is to try to increase your calories with fats.

> (Fats help metabolize protein.) This may apply to you since you

are

> slim. This approach worked for me, a thin person that had trouble

> gaining weight. My muscles became much stronger and I was able to

> get back into a decent amount of exercize. It was a slow healing

> process, however.

>

> You didn't list any fats such as butter, marrow etc. in your diet.

> Do you eat much of these?

>

> Alan

> land

>

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am 45, slim and I am starting to have aches and

> > pains in my muscles, particularly my legs and feet. I

> > usually only where tennis shoes and I'm pretty active.

> > Walking my dogs in the woods about an hour every

> > morning.

> >

>

May 22, 2006

Thanks Ann,

Maybe I'll make bone broths a usual for my lunch, and see if that helps.

Thanks,

Judy

-- In , " annbekins " <annbekins@...>

wrote:

>

> Don't know if this will help, but since I have been religious about

> having bone broth every day, my leg cramps have gone away.

>

> Ann

>

May 22, 2006

--- In , " frumpyhead " <frumpyhead@...>

wrote:

> I'll look into getting these suppliments to add to my diet. It also

> sounds like I need to start soaking in epsom salt. Does the epsom

> salt give my body something extra, or is it just for the sore muscles?

>

> I do have lots of white spots on my nails. I thought that meant I

> needed more zinc?

<snip>

Judy,

You might try the supplements first, to see if you get a decrease in

symptoms, thus confirming that cal/mag deficiency is an issue.

But optimally, you'll get these minerals from your food, and

apparently you like to prepare and eat good food, so you can research

good sources of what you seem to be lacking and get them into your

diet that way.

More bone broth is never a bad tack, but no one is sure of the

*quantity* of minerals in it, so it may or may not provide you with

the amount you need. Perhaps develop a taste for sardines and such,

and if you like cheese, that's surely a good source as well.

Then you can use the supplements as, well, supplements, as needed.

Ayurvedic medicine says white spots on nails indicate calcium

deficiency, also zinc iirc. I've found this to be true with my own

nails though I seem to be the only one saying it around here.

When I googled " Morton's neuroma " the sites all said that while shoes

can aggravate it, it can otherwise " just appear " for no reason.

I liken this to allopathic docs telling people that all these modern

degenerative diseases are " genetic " , as I've seen many Morton's

neuromas and--to a one--every person has had seriously warped feet

from either shoes or a lifetime of body misalignment, or both.

The muscles and connective tissues of the backside of the legs may be

shortened, preventing you from standing otherwise comfortably, think

of Barbie doll and how her legs and feet look from wearing heels all

her life. Or you may have simply walked on the balls of your feet

since you were a child, which is suggested when you say you are slim,

as that indicates a light, " airy " quality, and walking on the

balls/toes is a very ungrounded way to move about in the world, and

not unusual in those lightly built.

A good way to help is to practice stances which " ground " you,

introducing you to gravity, activating/developing the hamstrings and

sinking the heels.

Perhaps a Tai chi or Feldenkrais DVD? A brief consult with a teacher

of either of these methods, if possible, would be very good for the

hands-on feedback.

A simple exercise at home is to take a light hand towel and lay it

beneath the front of the foot, while seated, then gather and scooch it

beneath, bit by bit, using only the toes. Do every day. Sometimes the

toes can be severely jacked up--not even making contact with the

floor, or barely--and this will train them to move forward and

downward, lengthening the tendons on top of the foot which keep the

toes pulled up and back.

Rolling a tennis ball--or even better, a pinecone--under the foot is

always good for general demolition of the plantar fascia; put as much

weight on it as possible.

Oh, and Epsom salts is some or other form of magnesium, which can be

absorbed through the skin.

Fin!

B.

May 23, 2006

There is magnesium in the Epson salts.

Allyn

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