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Hello rubbereyes@... (Sandi Marr),

In reference to your comment:

è For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg

è reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb

è day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at

è 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested

è several times and it came back all in that range. I just

è figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would

è be good the next morning. This is so consfusing!

Sandi,

Its called the dawn effect, or dawn phenomon....

basically in 3rd grade language, (cuz i believe we need to learn this on a

gut level, not cuz i'm trying to talk down to anyone)

the liver overnight, gets panicy, cuz we are not feeding the body... the

liver thinks its gonna starve to death, and that the body will go

hypoglycemic, so the liver takes protein, and creates sugar out of it.

this causes the bs level to rise, in the early am.

If its a high rise, all the time, you may want to try something like

Glucophage to lower it.

I personally don't worry bout mine, its never any higher than 142, and its

usually around 132.

Hope this helps..

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Hello rubbereyes@... (Sandi Marr),

In reference to your comment:

è For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg

è reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb

è day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at

è 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested

è several times and it came back all in that range. I just

è figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would

è be good the next morning. This is so consfusing!

Sandi,

Its called the dawn effect, or dawn phenomon....

basically in 3rd grade language, (cuz i believe we need to learn this on a

gut level, not cuz i'm trying to talk down to anyone)

the liver overnight, gets panicy, cuz we are not feeding the body... the

liver thinks its gonna starve to death, and that the body will go

hypoglycemic, so the liver takes protein, and creates sugar out of it.

this causes the bs level to rise, in the early am.

If its a high rise, all the time, you may want to try something like

Glucophage to lower it.

I personally don't worry bout mine, its never any higher than 142, and its

usually around 132.

Hope this helps..

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Hello rubbereyes@... (Sandi Marr),

In reference to your comment:

è For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg

è reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb

è day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at

è 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested

è several times and it came back all in that range. I just

è figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would

è be good the next morning. This is so consfusing!

Sandi,

Its called the dawn effect, or dawn phenomon....

basically in 3rd grade language, (cuz i believe we need to learn this on a

gut level, not cuz i'm trying to talk down to anyone)

the liver overnight, gets panicy, cuz we are not feeding the body... the

liver thinks its gonna starve to death, and that the body will go

hypoglycemic, so the liver takes protein, and creates sugar out of it.

this causes the bs level to rise, in the early am.

If its a high rise, all the time, you may want to try something like

Glucophage to lower it.

I personally don't worry bout mine, its never any higher than 142, and its

usually around 132.

Hope this helps..

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This happens to me too, and I am equally confused. The only thing that

occurs to me (and I am but a rookie at low carbing too) is that I know meats

are much slower digesting and stay in your stomach longer . Could that be

part of it?

Wiser voices, help us here.

Jo in MN

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----- Original Message -----

> For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at

bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning

comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several

times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my

reading was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so

consfusing!

>

> Sandi

>

>

>

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This happens to me too, and I am equally confused. The only thing that

occurs to me (and I am but a rookie at low carbing too) is that I know meats

are much slower digesting and stay in your stomach longer . Could that be

part of it?

Wiser voices, help us here.

Jo in MN

Make a Project Linus Block

http://www.geocities.com/pcpiecers/projectlinus.html

----- Original Message -----

> For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at

bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning

comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several

times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my

reading was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so

consfusing!

>

> Sandi

>

>

>

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This happens to me too, and I am equally confused. The only thing that

occurs to me (and I am but a rookie at low carbing too) is that I know meats

are much slower digesting and stay in your stomach longer . Could that be

part of it?

Wiser voices, help us here.

Jo in MN

Make a Project Linus Block

http://www.geocities.com/pcpiecers/projectlinus.html

----- Original Message -----

> For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at

bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning

comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several

times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my

reading was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so

consfusing!

>

> Sandi

>

>

>

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Sandi, that's the " dawn effect " kicking in. For more info, check our

archives. Vicki

<<

For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at

bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning

comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several

times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my reading

was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so

consfusing!

>>

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Sandi, that's the " dawn effect " kicking in. For more info, check our

archives. Vicki

<<

For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at

bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning

comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several

times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my reading

was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so

consfusing!

>>

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Sandi, that's the " dawn effect " kicking in. For more info, check our

archives. Vicki

<<

For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at

bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning

comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several

times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my reading

was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so

consfusing!

>>

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  • 1 month later...

I don't usually even test my strips unless I have a reading that seems

totally out of line. Vicki

<<

Usually when I get my sticks there are 4 bottles

in a box. Usually all the same code. If you are

usuing one bottle of test strips and you open a

new one that has the SAME code, do you re-calibrate

your machine? I'm using the ultra One Touch.

Thanks

Jeanna

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I don't usually even test my strips unless I have a reading that seems

totally out of line. Vicki

<<

Usually when I get my sticks there are 4 bottles

in a box. Usually all the same code. If you are

usuing one bottle of test strips and you open a

new one that has the SAME code, do you re-calibrate

your machine? I'm using the ultra One Touch.

Thanks

Jeanna

>>

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I don't usually even test my strips unless I have a reading that seems

totally out of line. Vicki

<<

Usually when I get my sticks there are 4 bottles

in a box. Usually all the same code. If you are

usuing one bottle of test strips and you open a

new one that has the SAME code, do you re-calibrate

your machine? I'm using the ultra One Touch.

Thanks

Jeanna

>>

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Jacky wrote:

> I use the smae machine. I am new to this but at this time I do not

> test each bottle, only each new code or box. I would be interested in

> hearing what others do as well.

>

> Jacky

>

> Jeanna wrote:

>

> > Usually when I get my sticks there are 4 bottles

> > in a box. Usually all the same code. If you are

> > usuing one bottle of test strips and you open a

> > new one that has the SAME code, do you re-calibrate

> > your machine? I'm using the ultra One Touch.

The " proper " way is to test a strip from each of the four " vials " but I

don't usually unless I get a reading that is really off the wall for the

circumstances. I generally have a reasonable idea of where I'm going to

be with each test time. If a test turns out exceptionally high or low,

I'll use the control solution on a strip and then retest as well. I

don't know how average my experience is, but I can only recall finding

one bad strip in the last year.

Rick

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Jacky wrote:

> I use the smae machine. I am new to this but at this time I do not

> test each bottle, only each new code or box. I would be interested in

> hearing what others do as well.

>

> Jacky

>

> Jeanna wrote:

>

> > Usually when I get my sticks there are 4 bottles

> > in a box. Usually all the same code. If you are

> > usuing one bottle of test strips and you open a

> > new one that has the SAME code, do you re-calibrate

> > your machine? I'm using the ultra One Touch.

The " proper " way is to test a strip from each of the four " vials " but I

don't usually unless I get a reading that is really off the wall for the

circumstances. I generally have a reasonable idea of where I'm going to

be with each test time. If a test turns out exceptionally high or low,

I'll use the control solution on a strip and then retest as well. I

don't know how average my experience is, but I can only recall finding

one bad strip in the last year.

Rick

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I think she's got it mixed up. It is thought that a certain class of

diabetic meds (sulfs) push the pancreas to produce more insulin and once

it's forced out what's there, then you may have to go on insulin for control.

However, as far as I know, exercise and diet do NOT deplete your beta cells

(which is what I assume she's referring to).

If you haven't read Bernstein and Becker yet, Jacky, i strongly suggest you

do. (info at bottom of this page). Then you can respond to her

intelligently, smile. Vicki

In a message dated 02/21/2002 6:34:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

willabee@... writes:

> to which she said.

> That's all fine and good but if you are insulin resistant you are just

> burning out your pancreas because it is working and working to keep you

> in good control, producing more then normal amounts of insulin because

> your body is not using it like a normal person's body would

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I think she's got it mixed up. It is thought that a certain class of

diabetic meds (sulfs) push the pancreas to produce more insulin and once

it's forced out what's there, then you may have to go on insulin for control.

However, as far as I know, exercise and diet do NOT deplete your beta cells

(which is what I assume she's referring to).

If you haven't read Bernstein and Becker yet, Jacky, i strongly suggest you

do. (info at bottom of this page). Then you can respond to her

intelligently, smile. Vicki

In a message dated 02/21/2002 6:34:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

willabee@... writes:

> to which she said.

> That's all fine and good but if you are insulin resistant you are just

> burning out your pancreas because it is working and working to keep you

> in good control, producing more then normal amounts of insulin because

> your body is not using it like a normal person's body would

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I think she's got it mixed up. It is thought that a certain class of

diabetic meds (sulfs) push the pancreas to produce more insulin and once

it's forced out what's there, then you may have to go on insulin for control.

However, as far as I know, exercise and diet do NOT deplete your beta cells

(which is what I assume she's referring to).

If you haven't read Bernstein and Becker yet, Jacky, i strongly suggest you

do. (info at bottom of this page). Then you can respond to her

intelligently, smile. Vicki

In a message dated 02/21/2002 6:34:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

willabee@... writes:

> to which she said.

> That's all fine and good but if you are insulin resistant you are just

> burning out your pancreas because it is working and working to keep you

> in good control, producing more then normal amounts of insulin because

> your body is not using it like a normal person's body would

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Jacky writes:

> know how to answer. I hope you can help. She was asking me how the

> whole diabetes thing was going and I told her that I was able to

> maintain good control using diet and exercise, to which she said.

> That's all fine and good but if you are insulin resistant you are just

> burning out your pancreas because it is working and working

> to keep you

> in good control, producing more then normal amounts of insulin because

> your body is not using it like a normal person's body would.

There are several responses.

First, the available evidence (I don't have the references at hand right

now) indicates that beta cell burnout really only occurs when excess insulin

production in forced while blood sugars are high. In fact, even the use of

" sulfs " (meds that force increased insulin production) have only been shown

to cause beta cell failure when blood sugars are high. Therefore, if you

really are in good control (i.e., have really non-diabetic blood sugar

levels) there is no basis for a claim that you are damaging your beta cells

by not using meds.

Next, if you can stay at non-diabetic levels by diet and exercise, and keep

your weight (particularly fat at you waist) down, your insulin resistance

has probably been significantly decreased. This is particularly true if you

limit your carb intake since less insulin is then needed by your body and

the presence of lower insulin levels can in itself lead to a decrease in

insulin resistance.

For your information, there are tests your doctor can have done to check you

insulin resistance. One is a test of your serum insulin level. If it is

within the normal range, you are not " producing more then normal amounts of

insulin " even if you are diabetic. I was able to get this tested by asking

even though the doctor did not suggest it. Tests for insulin resistance are

not regularly given, even to type 2 diabetics, but they are available, and

you can ask for them.

IMHO, you are not harming yourself if you can keep in control (to

non-diabetic standards) without meds. Even the medical literature on

diabetes suggests that lifestyle changes are the first and preferred

treatment.

Hope this helps. If I run across a good reference I'll let you know.

Perhaps someone else with some time can locate one before I get a chance.

Tom the Actuary

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Hi Tom, thanks for the reply.

My current average bg levels are 5.4 pre meals and 6.4 post meals, is

that non-diabetic?

Jacky - down 41 pounds and in a size 12-13 pant so my waist is about 32

inches.

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