Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Hello rubbereyes@... (Sandi Marr), In reference to your comment: è For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg è reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb è day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at è 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested è several times and it came back all in that range. I just è figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would è be good the next morning. This is so consfusing! Sandi, Its called the dawn effect, or dawn phenomon.... basically in 3rd grade language, (cuz i believe we need to learn this on a gut level, not cuz i'm trying to talk down to anyone) the liver overnight, gets panicy, cuz we are not feeding the body... the liver thinks its gonna starve to death, and that the body will go hypoglycemic, so the liver takes protein, and creates sugar out of it. this causes the bs level to rise, in the early am. If its a high rise, all the time, you may want to try something like Glucophage to lower it. I personally don't worry bout mine, its never any higher than 142, and its usually around 132. Hope this helps.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Hello rubbereyes@... (Sandi Marr), In reference to your comment: è For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg è reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb è day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at è 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested è several times and it came back all in that range. I just è figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would è be good the next morning. This is so consfusing! Sandi, Its called the dawn effect, or dawn phenomon.... basically in 3rd grade language, (cuz i believe we need to learn this on a gut level, not cuz i'm trying to talk down to anyone) the liver overnight, gets panicy, cuz we are not feeding the body... the liver thinks its gonna starve to death, and that the body will go hypoglycemic, so the liver takes protein, and creates sugar out of it. this causes the bs level to rise, in the early am. If its a high rise, all the time, you may want to try something like Glucophage to lower it. I personally don't worry bout mine, its never any higher than 142, and its usually around 132. Hope this helps.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Hello rubbereyes@... (Sandi Marr), In reference to your comment: è For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg è reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb è day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at è 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested è several times and it came back all in that range. I just è figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would è be good the next morning. This is so consfusing! Sandi, Its called the dawn effect, or dawn phenomon.... basically in 3rd grade language, (cuz i believe we need to learn this on a gut level, not cuz i'm trying to talk down to anyone) the liver overnight, gets panicy, cuz we are not feeding the body... the liver thinks its gonna starve to death, and that the body will go hypoglycemic, so the liver takes protein, and creates sugar out of it. this causes the bs level to rise, in the early am. If its a high rise, all the time, you may want to try something like Glucophage to lower it. I personally don't worry bout mine, its never any higher than 142, and its usually around 132. Hope this helps.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 This happens to me too, and I am equally confused. The only thing that occurs to me (and I am but a rookie at low carbing too) is that I know meats are much slower digesting and stay in your stomach longer . Could that be part of it? Wiser voices, help us here. Jo in MN Make a Project Linus Block http://www.geocities.com/pcpiecers/projectlinus.html ----- Original Message ----- > For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so consfusing! > > Sandi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 This happens to me too, and I am equally confused. The only thing that occurs to me (and I am but a rookie at low carbing too) is that I know meats are much slower digesting and stay in your stomach longer . Could that be part of it? Wiser voices, help us here. Jo in MN Make a Project Linus Block http://www.geocities.com/pcpiecers/projectlinus.html ----- Original Message ----- > For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so consfusing! > > Sandi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 This happens to me too, and I am equally confused. The only thing that occurs to me (and I am but a rookie at low carbing too) is that I know meats are much slower digesting and stay in your stomach longer . Could that be part of it? Wiser voices, help us here. Jo in MN Make a Project Linus Block http://www.geocities.com/pcpiecers/projectlinus.html ----- Original Message ----- > For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so consfusing! > > Sandi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Sandi, that's the " dawn effect " kicking in. For more info, check our archives. Vicki << For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so consfusing! >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Sandi, that's the " dawn effect " kicking in. For more info, check our archives. Vicki << For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so consfusing! >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Sandi, that's the " dawn effect " kicking in. For more info, check our archives. Vicki << For those of you in the know....how is it that my bg reading can be 112 at bedtime after a very low carb day, and then still fasting the next morning comes in at 138? This doesn't make any sense to me. I tested several times and it came back all in that range. I just figured that if my reading was low going to bed, it would be good the next morning. This is so consfusing! >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Drink lots (80 or more ounces) of water and get good exercise. Barb > can anyone tell me if they had a problem with fluid retention when > they started on insulin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Drink lots (80 or more ounces) of water and get good exercise. Barb > can anyone tell me if they had a problem with fluid retention when > they started on insulin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Drink lots (80 or more ounces) of water and get good exercise. Barb > can anyone tell me if they had a problem with fluid retention when > they started on insulin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 I don't usually even test my strips unless I have a reading that seems totally out of line. Vicki << Usually when I get my sticks there are 4 bottles in a box. Usually all the same code. If you are usuing one bottle of test strips and you open a new one that has the SAME code, do you re-calibrate your machine? I'm using the ultra One Touch. Thanks Jeanna >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 I don't usually even test my strips unless I have a reading that seems totally out of line. Vicki << Usually when I get my sticks there are 4 bottles in a box. Usually all the same code. If you are usuing one bottle of test strips and you open a new one that has the SAME code, do you re-calibrate your machine? I'm using the ultra One Touch. Thanks Jeanna >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 I don't usually even test my strips unless I have a reading that seems totally out of line. Vicki << Usually when I get my sticks there are 4 bottles in a box. Usually all the same code. If you are usuing one bottle of test strips and you open a new one that has the SAME code, do you re-calibrate your machine? I'm using the ultra One Touch. Thanks Jeanna >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Jacky wrote: > I use the smae machine. I am new to this but at this time I do not > test each bottle, only each new code or box. I would be interested in > hearing what others do as well. > > Jacky > > Jeanna wrote: > > > Usually when I get my sticks there are 4 bottles > > in a box. Usually all the same code. If you are > > usuing one bottle of test strips and you open a > > new one that has the SAME code, do you re-calibrate > > your machine? I'm using the ultra One Touch. The " proper " way is to test a strip from each of the four " vials " but I don't usually unless I get a reading that is really off the wall for the circumstances. I generally have a reasonable idea of where I'm going to be with each test time. If a test turns out exceptionally high or low, I'll use the control solution on a strip and then retest as well. I don't know how average my experience is, but I can only recall finding one bad strip in the last year. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Jacky wrote: > I use the smae machine. I am new to this but at this time I do not > test each bottle, only each new code or box. I would be interested in > hearing what others do as well. > > Jacky > > Jeanna wrote: > > > Usually when I get my sticks there are 4 bottles > > in a box. Usually all the same code. If you are > > usuing one bottle of test strips and you open a > > new one that has the SAME code, do you re-calibrate > > your machine? I'm using the ultra One Touch. The " proper " way is to test a strip from each of the four " vials " but I don't usually unless I get a reading that is really off the wall for the circumstances. I generally have a reasonable idea of where I'm going to be with each test time. If a test turns out exceptionally high or low, I'll use the control solution on a strip and then retest as well. I don't know how average my experience is, but I can only recall finding one bad strip in the last year. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 I don't usually even test my strips unless I have a reading that seems totally out of line. I test mine when I get a new box, and that's about it. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 I don't usually even test my strips unless I have a reading that seems totally out of line. I test mine when I get a new box, and that's about it. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 I don't usually even test my strips unless I have a reading that seems totally out of line. I test mine when I get a new box, and that's about it. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 I think she's got it mixed up. It is thought that a certain class of diabetic meds (sulfs) push the pancreas to produce more insulin and once it's forced out what's there, then you may have to go on insulin for control. However, as far as I know, exercise and diet do NOT deplete your beta cells (which is what I assume she's referring to). If you haven't read Bernstein and Becker yet, Jacky, i strongly suggest you do. (info at bottom of this page). Then you can respond to her intelligently, smile. Vicki In a message dated 02/21/2002 6:34:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time, willabee@... writes: > to which she said. > That's all fine and good but if you are insulin resistant you are just > burning out your pancreas because it is working and working to keep you > in good control, producing more then normal amounts of insulin because > your body is not using it like a normal person's body would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 I think she's got it mixed up. It is thought that a certain class of diabetic meds (sulfs) push the pancreas to produce more insulin and once it's forced out what's there, then you may have to go on insulin for control. However, as far as I know, exercise and diet do NOT deplete your beta cells (which is what I assume she's referring to). If you haven't read Bernstein and Becker yet, Jacky, i strongly suggest you do. (info at bottom of this page). Then you can respond to her intelligently, smile. Vicki In a message dated 02/21/2002 6:34:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time, willabee@... writes: > to which she said. > That's all fine and good but if you are insulin resistant you are just > burning out your pancreas because it is working and working to keep you > in good control, producing more then normal amounts of insulin because > your body is not using it like a normal person's body would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 I think she's got it mixed up. It is thought that a certain class of diabetic meds (sulfs) push the pancreas to produce more insulin and once it's forced out what's there, then you may have to go on insulin for control. However, as far as I know, exercise and diet do NOT deplete your beta cells (which is what I assume she's referring to). If you haven't read Bernstein and Becker yet, Jacky, i strongly suggest you do. (info at bottom of this page). Then you can respond to her intelligently, smile. Vicki In a message dated 02/21/2002 6:34:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time, willabee@... writes: > to which she said. > That's all fine and good but if you are insulin resistant you are just > burning out your pancreas because it is working and working to keep you > in good control, producing more then normal amounts of insulin because > your body is not using it like a normal person's body would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Jacky writes: > know how to answer. I hope you can help. She was asking me how the > whole diabetes thing was going and I told her that I was able to > maintain good control using diet and exercise, to which she said. > That's all fine and good but if you are insulin resistant you are just > burning out your pancreas because it is working and working > to keep you > in good control, producing more then normal amounts of insulin because > your body is not using it like a normal person's body would. There are several responses. First, the available evidence (I don't have the references at hand right now) indicates that beta cell burnout really only occurs when excess insulin production in forced while blood sugars are high. In fact, even the use of " sulfs " (meds that force increased insulin production) have only been shown to cause beta cell failure when blood sugars are high. Therefore, if you really are in good control (i.e., have really non-diabetic blood sugar levels) there is no basis for a claim that you are damaging your beta cells by not using meds. Next, if you can stay at non-diabetic levels by diet and exercise, and keep your weight (particularly fat at you waist) down, your insulin resistance has probably been significantly decreased. This is particularly true if you limit your carb intake since less insulin is then needed by your body and the presence of lower insulin levels can in itself lead to a decrease in insulin resistance. For your information, there are tests your doctor can have done to check you insulin resistance. One is a test of your serum insulin level. If it is within the normal range, you are not " producing more then normal amounts of insulin " even if you are diabetic. I was able to get this tested by asking even though the doctor did not suggest it. Tests for insulin resistance are not regularly given, even to type 2 diabetics, but they are available, and you can ask for them. IMHO, you are not harming yourself if you can keep in control (to non-diabetic standards) without meds. Even the medical literature on diabetes suggests that lifestyle changes are the first and preferred treatment. Hope this helps. If I run across a good reference I'll let you know. Perhaps someone else with some time can locate one before I get a chance. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hi Tom, thanks for the reply. My current average bg levels are 5.4 pre meals and 6.4 post meals, is that non-diabetic? Jacky - down 41 pounds and in a size 12-13 pant so my waist is about 32 inches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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