Re: diuretic prescribed

March 18, 2009

--- At 06:11 AM 3/18/2009, wrote:

>

>Bill where can we get this test? I am not finding it listed in our

>standard testing places.

Specialty Labs (California) has twelve (12) RBC mineral tests,

including a few toxic metals:

<http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests/display.asp?keyword=rbc & assay=1 & technotes=0 & \

noses=yes>

http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests

.... " RBC Mineral Panel " of eight (8) nutrient mineral tests:

http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests/details.asp?id=S49802

Your lab will forward the blood samples to Specialty Labs -- or

another lab that does the RBC elements assays.

Quest Labs lists five RBC tests -- and all are sent to Specialty:

http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scripts/dos.wls?wlapp=DOS

Also, Exatest (Oregon) offers " Intracellular Tissue Analysis " :

http://www.exatest.com/

And, Metametrix Labs (Georgia) has a panel of

" Nutrient & Toxic Elements - Erythrocytes "

<http://www.metametrix.com/content/DirectoryOfServices/0022NutrientToxicElements\

-Erythrocytes?cinfo>

....see their PDF " Interpretive Guide for Erythrocyte Minerals " :

<http://www.metametrix.com/DirectoryOfServices/pdf/pdf_guide_0022NutrientToxicEl\

ements-Erythrocytes.pdf>

Bill

P.S. - check out Specialty's Educational Materials:

http://www.specialtylabs.com/education/default.asp

....and open access Laboratory Tests Books:

http://www.specialtylabs.com/books/default.asp

---

March 18, 2009

--- At 06:11 AM 3/18/2009, wrote:

>

>Bill where can we get this test? I am not finding it listed in our

>standard testing places.

Specialty Labs (California) has twelve (12) RBC mineral tests,

including a few toxic metals:

<http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests/display.asp?keyword=rbc & assay=1 & technotes=0 & \

noses=yes>

http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests

.... " RBC Mineral Panel " of eight (8) nutrient mineral tests:

http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests/details.asp?id=S49802

Your lab will forward the blood samples to Specialty Labs -- or

another lab that does the RBC elements assays.

Quest Labs lists five RBC tests -- and all are sent to Specialty:

http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scripts/dos.wls?wlapp=DOS

Also, Exatest (Oregon) offers " Intracellular Tissue Analysis " :

http://www.exatest.com/

And, Metametrix Labs (Georgia) has a panel of

" Nutrient & Toxic Elements - Erythrocytes "

<http://www.metametrix.com/content/DirectoryOfServices/0022NutrientToxicElements\

-Erythrocytes?cinfo>

....see their PDF " Interpretive Guide for Erythrocyte Minerals " :

<http://www.metametrix.com/DirectoryOfServices/pdf/pdf_guide_0022NutrientToxicEl\

ements-Erythrocytes.pdf>

Bill

P.S. - check out Specialty's Educational Materials:

http://www.specialtylabs.com/education/default.asp

....and open access Laboratory Tests Books:

http://www.specialtylabs.com/books/default.asp

---

March 18, 2009

> (Diuretics can cause or worsen a potassium deficiency and edema.)

I may be experiencing that after only one day. Today I am going to try just the

potassium supplement. By taking potassium every time I got up last night, which

was 4 times, my headache was not so bad. She gave me a slow release compound,

but I can't figure out the strength, Klor-ConM20. I will take that with meal.

Last night I was using KCl from Home Depot. I mixed up 10 g to 2 L. I think that

comes out to about 700mg/tbsp.

>Taking more potassium without diuretics would be my first choice.Bill

I read that it takes 4 times as much sodium with potassium to get the potassium

into the cells?

Dorothy

March 18, 2009

> (Diuretics can cause or worsen a potassium deficiency and edema.)

I may be experiencing that after only one day. Today I am going to try just the

potassium supplement. By taking potassium every time I got up last night, which

was 4 times, my headache was not so bad. She gave me a slow release compound,

but I can't figure out the strength, Klor-ConM20. I will take that with meal.

Last night I was using KCl from Home Depot. I mixed up 10 g to 2 L. I think that

comes out to about 700mg/tbsp.

>Taking more potassium without diuretics would be my first choice.Bill

I read that it takes 4 times as much sodium with potassium to get the potassium

into the cells?

Dorothy

March 18, 2009

> Well correcting high beforeit happens will get you ion trouble! LOL

Guess I just have to wait and see what happens. But I am type A. They run on

cortisol. O's run on adrenalin. very broadly speaking.

Dorothy

March 18, 2009

> Well correcting high beforeit happens will get you ion trouble! LOL

Guess I just have to wait and see what happens. But I am type A. They run on

cortisol. O's run on adrenalin. very broadly speaking.

Dorothy

March 18, 2009

--- At 09:39 AM 3/18/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

> >Taking more potassium without diuretics would be my first choice.Bill

>

>I read that it takes 4 times as much sodium with potassium to get the potassium

into the cells?

I don't know about that. Daily intake is usually

about the same for both -- but potassium should be

about twice the sodium intake, for best health.

Here's an interesting tutorial which shows how

potassium enters, and sodium leaves, the cells --

in a ratio of 2:3 K:Na -- to keep the potassium

inside the cells and not the sodium.

" Animation: How the Sodium Potassium Pump Works "

<http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072495855/student_view0/chapter2/animati\

on__how_the_sodium_potassium_pump_works.html>

Bill

---

March 18, 2009

--- At 09:39 AM 3/18/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

> >Taking more potassium without diuretics would be my first choice.Bill

>

>I read that it takes 4 times as much sodium with potassium to get the potassium

into the cells?

I don't know about that. Daily intake is usually

about the same for both -- but potassium should be

about twice the sodium intake, for best health.

Here's an interesting tutorial which shows how

potassium enters, and sodium leaves, the cells --

in a ratio of 2:3 K:Na -- to keep the potassium

inside the cells and not the sodium.

" Animation: How the Sodium Potassium Pump Works "

<http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072495855/student_view0/chapter2/animati\

on__how_the_sodium_potassium_pump_works.html>

Bill

---

March 18, 2009

I agree with Val, you're brilliant. I don't know if I'm being dense but I don't find potassium at Quest. All kinds of RBC tests but not potassium. Could you use your researching brilliance and direct me to the right place.

Thanks much, Bill. I think this is some significant info.On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bbverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

--- At 06:11 AM 3/18/2009, wrote:

>

>Bill where can we get this test? I am not finding it listed in our

>standard testing places.

Specialty Labs (California) has twelve (12) RBC mineral tests,

including a few toxic metals:

<http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests/display.asp?keyword=rbc & assay=1 & technotes=0 & noses=yes>

http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests

.... " RBC Mineral Panel " of eight (8) nutrient mineral tests:

http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests/details.asp?id=S49802

Your lab will forward the blood samples to Specialty Labs -- or

another lab that does the RBC elements assays.

Quest Labs lists five RBC tests -- and all are sent to Specialty:

http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scripts/dos.wls?wlapp=DOS

Also, Exatest (Oregon) offers " Intracellular Tissue Analysis " :

http://www.exatest.com/

And, Metametrix Labs (Georgia) has a panel of

" Nutrient & Toxic Elements - Erythrocytes "

<http://www.metametrix.com/content/DirectoryOfServices/0022NutrientToxicElements-Erythrocytes?cinfo>

....see their PDF " Interpretive Guide for Erythrocyte Minerals " :

<http://www.metametrix.com/DirectoryOfServices/pdf/pdf_guide_0022NutrientToxicElements-Erythrocytes.pdf>

Bill

P.S. - check out Specialty's Educational Materials:

http://www.specialtylabs.com/education/default.asp

....and open access Laboratory Tests Books:

http://www.specialtylabs.com/books/default.asp

---

March 18, 2009

I believe it is listed as plasma potassium.

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March 18, 2009

> " Animation: How the Sodium Potassium Pump Works "

>

<http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072495855/student_view0/chapter2/animati\

on__how_the_sodium_potassium_pump_works.html>

Interesting. The process requires ATP energy. Isn't that low in hypoTh.

Dorothy

March 18, 2009

Thanks Val. That's probably it. Now to convince a doctor.I've emailed econolabs to ask them to list it in their directory. They are so good about doing these things rather quickly so I'll let you know when they get back to me.

2009/3/18

I believe it is listed as plasma potassium.

--

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March 18, 2009

--- At 01:53 PM 3/18/2009, birrdyy wrote:

>

>I don't know if I'm being dense but I don't find potassium at Quest. All kinds

of RBC tests but not potassium. Could you use your researching brilliance and

direct me to the right place.

Type in 'RBC' and pick a local Quest Lab from the list,

then click 'search'.

Some of their labs might not(?) do all five RBC tests, but I

checked the San Capistrano lab, and they do it there.

Start at this page:

http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scripts/dos.wls?wlapp=DOS

Bill

---

March 18, 2009

Thanks, Bill. That's the deal. When I use my lab it doesn't come up. I used the San location because I do remember often my local lab sends stuff to them and bingo there it is.

Interesting....this is what it says in the description. I wonder how many people have hypertension just because of potassium. " RBC Potassium has been found to be decreased in hypertension, in chronic renal failure and in hemodialysis

patients " Thanks again, you're brilliant.On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bbverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

--- At 01:53 PM 3/18/2009, birrdyy wrote:

>

>I don't know if I'm being dense but I don't find potassium at Quest. All kinds of RBC tests but not potassium. Could you use your researching brilliance and direct me to the right place.

Type in 'RBC' and pick a local Quest Lab from the list,

then click 'search'.

Some of their labs might not(?) do all five RBC tests, but I

checked the San Capistrano lab, and they do it there.

Start at this page:

http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scripts/dos.wls?wlapp=DOS

Bill

---

March 18, 2009

Great,, I would love to get this tested but looks like we need a doctor

to order the testing from all these places?

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

March 18, 2009

Great,, I would love to get this tested but looks like we need a doctor

to order the testing from all these places?

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

March 18, 2009

Great,, I would love to get this tested but looks like we need a doctor

to order the testing from all these places?

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

March 18, 2009

Found one important thing in the wiidpedia article on cortisol. High cortisol

moves potassium out of the cells. Low cortisol blocks its loss from the kidneys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol

Dorothy

March 18, 2009

Found one important thing in the wiidpedia article on cortisol. High cortisol

moves potassium out of the cells. Low cortisol blocks its loss from the kidneys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol

Dorothy

March 18, 2009

I thought I just posted a question, but it never showed up. If it does, sorry

for the double.

I usually use Quest labs in Northern Ca. Bill, can I still order the RBC

postassium & magnesium up here? I didn't see a panel that includes all of the

RBC mineral tests they offer. Do you know if they offer that?

Thank you so much for sharing this! I hope I can add it on my next bloodtest.

>

> --- At 01:53 PM 3/18/2009, birrdyy wrote:

> >

> >I don't know if I'm being dense but I don't find potassium at Quest. All

kinds of RBC tests but not potassium. Could you use your researching brilliance

and direct me to the right place.

>

> Type in 'RBC' and pick a local Quest Lab from the list,

> then click 'search'.

>

> Some of their labs might not(?) do all five RBC tests, but I

> checked the San Capistrano lab, and they do it there.

>

> Start at this page:

>

> http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scripts/dos.wls?wlapp=DOS

>

> Bill

>

> ---

>

March 18, 2009

I don't have a for sure answer for you but this is what happens for me. My lab (seattle) doesn't offer it either but in the past when they don't have the testing capabilities they send it to San . Often I call for results and am told it will take longer because it had to be sent to CA. I think this might be what all the other locations do. If you doctor writes it on an order I can't imagine any lab not being able to find a location that can do it, outside or inside their company.

I thought I just posted a question, but it never showed up. If it does, sorry for the double.

I usually use Quest labs in Northern Ca. Bill, can I still order the RBC postassium & magnesium up here? I didn't see a panel that includes all of the RBC mineral tests they offer. Do you know if they offer that?

Thank you so much for sharing this! I hope I can add it on my next bloodtest.

>

> --- At 01:53 PM 3/18/2009, birrdyy wrote:

> >

> >I don't know if I'm being dense but I don't find potassium at Quest. All kinds of RBC tests but not potassium. Could you use your researching brilliance and direct me to the right place.

>

> Type in 'RBC' and pick a local Quest Lab from the list,

> then click 'search'.

>

> Some of their labs might not(?) do all five RBC tests, but I

> checked the San Capistrano lab, and they do it there.

>

> Start at this page:

>

> http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scripts/dos.wls?wlapp=DOS

>

> Bill

>

> ---

>

March 18, 2009

I don't have a for sure answer for you but this is what happens for me. My lab (seattle) doesn't offer it either but in the past when they don't have the testing capabilities they send it to San . Often I call for results and am told it will take longer because it had to be sent to CA. I think this might be what all the other locations do. If you doctor writes it on an order I can't imagine any lab not being able to find a location that can do it, outside or inside their company.

I thought I just posted a question, but it never showed up. If it does, sorry for the double.

I usually use Quest labs in Northern Ca. Bill, can I still order the RBC postassium & magnesium up here? I didn't see a panel that includes all of the RBC mineral tests they offer. Do you know if they offer that?

Thank you so much for sharing this! I hope I can add it on my next bloodtest.

>

> --- At 01:53 PM 3/18/2009, birrdyy wrote:

> >

> >I don't know if I'm being dense but I don't find potassium at Quest. All kinds of RBC tests but not potassium. Could you use your researching brilliance and direct me to the right place.

>

> Type in 'RBC' and pick a local Quest Lab from the list,

> then click 'search'.

>

> Some of their labs might not(?) do all five RBC tests, but I

> checked the San Capistrano lab, and they do it there.

>

> Start at this page:

>

> http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scripts/dos.wls?wlapp=DOS

>

> Bill

>

> ---

>

March 18, 2009

So if I have high cortisol I need to take more potassium?

Stress causes cortisol levels to rise? That might explain mine being

higher.

Janis Whitcomb, Auburn, WA

janisw2@...

http://trotting-horse.com/

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Re: diuretic prescribed

> Found one important thing in the wiidpedia article on cortisol. High

> cortisol moves potassium out of the cells. Low cortisol blocks its loss

> from the kidneys.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol

>

> Dorothy

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 18, 2009

--- At 05:58 PM 3/18/2009, ninaboo50 wrote:

>

>I thought I just posted a question, but it never showed up. If it does, sorry

for the double.

>

>I usually use Quest labs in Northern Ca. Bill, can I still order the RBC

postassium & magnesium up here? I didn't see a panel that includes all of the

RBC mineral tests they offer. Do you know if they offer that?

I don't know, but you can call your local Quest labs and ask.

Quest Labs sends to Specialty Labs for the RBC mineral testing.

Specialty Labs (So. California) does an " RBC Mineral Panel " of

eight minerals:

http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests/details.asp?id=S49802

Bill

---

March 19, 2009

Thanks, Bill! Sometimes I forget the obvious!

>

> --- At 05:58 PM 3/18/2009, ninaboo50 wrote:

> >

> >I thought I just posted a question, but it never showed up. If it does,

sorry for the double.

> >

> >I usually use Quest labs in Northern Ca. Bill, can I still order the RBC

postassium & magnesium up here? I didn't see a panel that includes all of the

RBC mineral tests they offer. Do you know if they offer that?

>

> I don't know, but you can call your local Quest labs and ask.

>

> Quest Labs sends to Specialty Labs for the RBC mineral testing.

>

> Specialty Labs (So. California) does an " RBC Mineral Panel " of

> eight minerals:

>

> http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests/details.asp?id=S49802

>

> Bill

>

> ---

>

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