Re: diuretic prescribed

[Guest guest]

I forgot to add this from Wikipedia, didn't sound good.

" Furosemide should be used with caution when combined with corticosteroids (as

this increases the risk of electrolyte imbalance) "

>

> New doc today. She thinks my breathlessness is caused by my edema. The

shortness of breath was there before HC or edema, but my BP was 150. 9 days ago

I gave blood and it was my usual 120/80. Since its rise may be the cause of my

headache I will take her pills.

>

> She gave me Furosemide. Is that the best one? She also gave me a prescription

for potassium, but it looks like I also need to take Na and esp Mg as well.

>

> Dorothy

>

[Guest guest]

I forgot to add this from Wikipedia, didn't sound good.

" Furosemide should be used with caution when combined with corticosteroids (as

this increases the risk of electrolyte imbalance) "

>

> New doc today. She thinks my breathlessness is caused by my edema. The

shortness of breath was there before HC or edema, but my BP was 150. 9 days ago

I gave blood and it was my usual 120/80. Since its rise may be the cause of my

headache I will take her pills.

>

> She gave me Furosemide. Is that the best one? She also gave me a prescription

for potassium, but it looks like I also need to take Na and esp Mg as well.

>

> Dorothy

>

[Guest guest]

I forgot to add this from Wikipedia, didn't sound good.

" Furosemide should be used with caution when combined with corticosteroids (as

this increases the risk of electrolyte imbalance) "

>

> New doc today. She thinks my breathlessness is caused by my edema. The

shortness of breath was there before HC or edema, but my BP was 150. 9 days ago

I gave blood and it was my usual 120/80. Since its rise may be the cause of my

headache I will take her pills.

>

> She gave me Furosemide. Is that the best one? She also gave me a prescription

for potassium, but it looks like I also need to take Na and esp Mg as well.

>

> Dorothy

>

[Guest guest]

--- At 07:43 PM 3/16/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

>I forgot to add this from Wikipedia, didn't sound good.

> " Furosemide should be used with caution when combined with corticosteroids (as

this increases the risk of electrolyte imbalance) "

" ...increases the risk of electrolyte imbalance " ?

I wouldn't trust that.

Progesterone (if needed for estrogen dominance) can fix,

or help edema.

Oral micronized progesterone (Prometrium, by rx) is the best

-- not the unpredictable cream type.

Bill

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[Guest guest]

--- At 07:43 PM 3/16/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

>I forgot to add this from Wikipedia, didn't sound good.

> " Furosemide should be used with caution when combined with corticosteroids (as

this increases the risk of electrolyte imbalance) "

" ...increases the risk of electrolyte imbalance " ?

I wouldn't trust that.

Progesterone (if needed for estrogen dominance) can fix,

or help edema.

Oral micronized progesterone (Prometrium, by rx) is the best

-- not the unpredictable cream type.

Bill

---

[Guest guest]

--- At 07:43 PM 3/16/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

>I forgot to add this from Wikipedia, didn't sound good.

> " Furosemide should be used with caution when combined with corticosteroids (as

this increases the risk of electrolyte imbalance) "

" ...increases the risk of electrolyte imbalance " ?

I wouldn't trust that.

Progesterone (if needed for estrogen dominance) can fix,

or help edema.

Oral micronized progesterone (Prometrium, by rx) is the best

-- not the unpredictable cream type.

Bill

---

[Guest guest]

> Oral micronized progesterone (Prometrium, by rx) is the best

> -- not the unpredictable cream type.

> Bill

Tried that already. Insurance company wouldn't go for it and I can't afford it.

My estrogen came down when I started HC.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

> Oral micronized progesterone (Prometrium, by rx) is the best

> -- not the unpredictable cream type.

> Bill

Tried that already. Insurance company wouldn't go for it and I can't afford it.

My estrogen came down when I started HC.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

> Oral micronized progesterone (Prometrium, by rx) is the best

> -- not the unpredictable cream type.

> Bill

Tried that already. Insurance company wouldn't go for it and I can't afford it.

My estrogen came down when I started HC.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

--- At 08:53 PM 3/16/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

>> Oral micronized progesterone (Prometrium, by rx) is the best

>> -- not the unpredictable cream type.

>> Bill

>

>Tried that already. Insurance company wouldn't go for it and I can't afford it.

>My estrogen came down when I started HC.

But progesterone can probably fix the edema.

This type is also recommended, more than the cream type:

Kenogen (Ray Peat's) Progest-E Complex -- one source:

http://www.vitaminexpress.com/product_info.php/products_id/526

Bill

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[Guest guest]

--- At 08:53 PM 3/16/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

>> Oral micronized progesterone (Prometrium, by rx) is the best

>> -- not the unpredictable cream type.

>> Bill

>

>Tried that already. Insurance company wouldn't go for it and I can't afford it.

>My estrogen came down when I started HC.

But progesterone can probably fix the edema.

This type is also recommended, more than the cream type:

Kenogen (Ray Peat's) Progest-E Complex -- one source:

http://www.vitaminexpress.com/product_info.php/products_id/526

Bill

---

[Guest guest]

--- At 08:53 PM 3/16/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

>> Oral micronized progesterone (Prometrium, by rx) is the best

>> -- not the unpredictable cream type.

>> Bill

>

>Tried that already. Insurance company wouldn't go for it and I can't afford it.

>My estrogen came down when I started HC.

But progesterone can probably fix the edema.

This type is also recommended, more than the cream type:

Kenogen (Ray Peat's) Progest-E Complex -- one source:

http://www.vitaminexpress.com/product_info.php/products_id/526

Bill

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[Guest guest]

OUCH I would NOT try progesterine for edema. It makes mine WORSE.

Progesterone can convert to aldosterone and/or cortisol and for me at

least it definitely causes more edema. Furosemide is nto the best

diuretic. Hydrochlorothyazide is the one I would recommend in combo with

Triamterene. This is a potassium sparing diuretic and then all you have

to replace is sodium. but is IS a very delicte balance.. one I have

played with for over 15 years and am beginning to win,. Yes edema will

cause shortmness of breath. And when it gets to that poitn, you HAVE to

do something about it.

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[Guest guest]

> Yes edema will

> cause shortmness of breath. And when it gets to that poitn, you HAVE >to do

something about it.

Thanks. I was going to try half tablets, but I will call her today and see if I

can get what you suggested. I took one last night with one of her K tabs plus

some of my own. My headache was better but I got a cramp in my leg first thing.

I had the short breath long before the edema and it goes away with T3, so I am

leaving that open. I doubt she even considered that I was on HC. She just did

the allopathic thing. see edema give diuretic. Don't bother to find the cause.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

> Yes edema will

> cause shortmness of breath. And when it gets to that poitn, you HAVE >to do

something about it.

Thanks. I was going to try half tablets, but I will call her today and see if I

can get what you suggested. I took one last night with one of her K tabs plus

some of my own. My headache was better but I got a cramp in my leg first thing.

I had the short breath long before the edema and it goes away with T3, so I am

leaving that open. I doubt she even considered that I was on HC. She just did

the allopathic thing. see edema give diuretic. Don't bother to find the cause.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

> Hydrochlorothyazide is the one I would recommend in combo with

> Triamterene.

Do they come in a combo. If not what proportions?

>This is a potassium sparing diuretic and then all you have

> to replace is sodium. but is IS a very delicte balance.

Info on one of those diuretics mentioned high aldosterone. Could this be a

problem I am having?

Thanks, Dorothy

[Guest guest]

Never mind about this part. I found the info.

> > Hydrochlorothyazide is the one I would recommend in combo with

> > Triamterene.

>

> Do they come in a combo. If not what proportions?

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

> Info on one of those diuretics mentioned high aldosterone. Could this be a

problem I am having?

Since I am having a problem with potassium?

And can I drop HC and T3 the same day. Now I am fixated on the idea that too

much HC is causing the edema. I usually dose both at 9 AM but forgot and did

them at 10. About 1/2 hr later I got sort of dizzy and felt hot, temp was 98.2,

usual afternoon high. I seem to be able to stretch doses out longer so could be

needing less.

You must have had a busy day. Hope things are OK.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

Yes you can drop the tow together. BTW are you taking any progesterone?

Just happened ytop think ti can cnvert to aldosterone adn it can also

mimick it.

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[Guest guest]

> Yes you can drop the tow together. BTW are you taking any progesterone?

No. I tried some cream a month ago and it made my joints ache and made my

headache. From what you just it must have been the current problem rearing its

head.

Waiting for the doctor to answer the fax I sent her this morning for a new

diruetic prescription. I took 1/2 doses of the bad stuff.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

Well that stuff is not BAD bad, but it will suck out potassium and

sodium both with the fluids so the potassium sparing diuretic is easier

on your system and you just have to replace salt which si easy to adjust

by taste.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

[Guest guest]

Well that stuff is not BAD bad, but it will suck out potassium and

sodium both with the fluids so the potassium sparing diuretic is easier

on your system and you just have to replace salt which si easy to adjust

by taste.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

[Guest guest]

--- At 07:01 PM 3/16/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

>New doc today. She thinks my breathlessness is caused by my edema. The

shortness of breath was there before HC or edema, but my BP was 150. 9 days ago

I gave blood and it was my usual 120/80. Since its rise may be the cause of my

headache I will take her pills. ...

Edema (water retention), hypertension (high blood pressure), and

shortness of breath are all signs of a potassium deficiency.

Potassium deficiency -- and not a diuretic deficiency.

(Diuretics can cause or worsen a potassium deficiency and edema.)

(Too much calcium can cause intracellular potassium deficiency,

and that would cause edema, shortness of breath and high BP.)

A potassium deficiency could be from high aldosterone, but can

aldosterone be tested accurately, while taking diuretics ??

The most useful potassium test is for intracellular potassium,

such as " RBC potassium " -- rather than " serum potassium " .

According to: " Warning: Diuretics can cause diabetes " , quote:

<http://naturalhealthinatoxicworld.blogspot.com/2008/05/warning-diuretics-can-ca\

use-diabetes.html>

" Because diuretics deplete 16 essential vitamins and minerals

from your system, they can render you deficient and leave you

without resources to fight host of other ailments. "

Taking more potassium without diuretics would be my first choice.

Bill

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[Guest guest]

--- At 07:01 PM 3/16/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

>New doc today. She thinks my breathlessness is caused by my edema. The

shortness of breath was there before HC or edema, but my BP was 150. 9 days ago

I gave blood and it was my usual 120/80. Since its rise may be the cause of my

headache I will take her pills. ...

Edema (water retention), hypertension (high blood pressure), and

shortness of breath are all signs of a potassium deficiency.

Potassium deficiency -- and not a diuretic deficiency.

(Diuretics can cause or worsen a potassium deficiency and edema.)

(Too much calcium can cause intracellular potassium deficiency,

and that would cause edema, shortness of breath and high BP.)

A potassium deficiency could be from high aldosterone, but can

aldosterone be tested accurately, while taking diuretics ??

The most useful potassium test is for intracellular potassium,

such as " RBC potassium " -- rather than " serum potassium " .

According to: " Warning: Diuretics can cause diabetes " , quote:

<http://naturalhealthinatoxicworld.blogspot.com/2008/05/warning-diuretics-can-ca\

use-diabetes.html>

" Because diuretics deplete 16 essential vitamins and minerals

from your system, they can render you deficient and leave you

without resources to fight host of other ailments. "

Taking more potassium without diuretics would be my first choice.

Bill

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[Guest guest]

Bill - you always have such great info.  I saw your post the other day about regular serum potassium testing and it worried me a bit because that's really all we have on a regular basis.I now see that you suggest RBC potassium.  That's just a regular blood test, right?  Is there a sodium version?  In your opinion is this the potassium test we should always be getting, especially for those of us on florinef?

Thanks.On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bbverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

--- At 07:01 PM 3/16/2009, dorothyroeder wrote:

>

>New doc today. She thinks my breathlessness is caused by my edema. The shortness of breath was there before HC or edema, but my BP was 150. 9 days ago I gave blood and it was my usual 120/80. Since its rise may be the cause of my headache I will take her pills. ...

Edema (water retention), hypertension (high blood pressure), and

shortness of breath are all signs of a potassium deficiency.

Potassium deficiency -- and not a diuretic deficiency.

(Diuretics can cause or worsen a potassium deficiency and edema.)

(Too much calcium can cause intracellular potassium deficiency,

and that would cause edema, shortness of breath and high BP.)

A potassium deficiency could be from high aldosterone, but can

aldosterone be tested accurately, while taking diuretics ??

The most useful potassium test is for intracellular potassium,

such as " RBC potassium " -- rather than " serum potassium " .

According to: " Warning: Diuretics can cause diabetes " , quote:

<http://naturalhealthinatoxicworld.blogspot.com/2008/05/warning-diuretics-can-cause-diabetes.html>

" Because diuretics deplete 16 essential vitamins and minerals

from your system, they can render you deficient and leave you

without resources to fight host of other ailments. "

Taking more potassium without diuretics would be my first choice.

Bill

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