Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

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I cannot stress enough that for those of you going through these types of health

issues that are stress related, look into

www.mickeltherapy.com and contact the therapist I have been working with who is

listed in Vermont on this website.

She does it over the phone and IT WORKS!!

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

>

> I have yet to figure out how to fix and find appropriate

relatrionships,

> tus I live alone and do nto socialize at all. I really don't want

to

> anymore. Every time I make friends it is demands on me tht I can't

> fulfil now. And I really don;t want to anymore. If I were to meet

> someone that would enhance MY life that might be different but I

am not

> holding my breath. Phil I had the abusive relaioship going on when

I was

> at my sickest, in fact I am sure this relationsjip is what trashed

my

> adrenals.

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Janis: Val, the same thing happened to me but mine was more

subtle. Everyone else saw it but me. I was in denial for a long

time. My ex was emotionally abusive which can be worse than

physical. The scars were there but hidden beneath the surface. In

fact, it took me 6 months to even entertain the possibility that

stress from a dysfunctional marriage was the cause of my illness. I

thought I had it all under control all the while ruining my adrenals

by stuffing all of my feelings. I didn't realize how a failed 22

year marriage would ruin my desire to get involved with anyone

else. Afterall, I gave my all to this relationship and I was well

at the time, young, and I believed we would always be together. Now

I am older, with an illness that limits my abilities in so many

ways. Who would want someone in this condition? I am too afraid to

try at this point although being alone is no fun either.

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They say that most illness is due to stress, but who listens until

they get sick? That is why it is so important to talk about stress

and what it can do. We need to tell our stories to help the next

generation be healthier in every way. I wish you luck at your

appointment. Let us know how it goes. I think all of these healing

modalities have come into existence because western medicine has

been inadequate since many of these illnesses are energy related.

Maybe we get ill in the first place in order to reestablish a new

relationship with ourselves and consequently with others. Janis

> I have yet to figure out how to fix and find appropriate

relatrionships,

> tus I live alone and do nto socialize at all. I really don't

want to

> anymore. Every time I make friends it is demands on me tht I

can't

> fulfil now. And I really don;t want to anymore. If I were to

meet

> someone that would enhance MY life that might be different but I

am not

> holding my breath. Phil I had the abusive relaioship going on

when I was

> at my sickest, in fact I am sure this relationsjip is what

trashed my

> adrenals.

>

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>

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You are so right. I have learned from Mickel therapy out of the UK that

" symptoms " come to give us a message. They come to tell us something and

usually, they are telling us that we need to change things in our lives. For

some, this might mean being more assertive, speaking up, staying away from toxic

people, and in some cases something more drastic like cutting off relationships.

" Symptoms " are the body's way of speaking up to you to let you know that the way

you are operating within your environment and with others/situations, etc. is no

longer working to promote health and balance.

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

They say that most illness is due to stress, but who listens until

they get sick? That is why it is so important to talk about stress

and what it can do. We need to tell our stories to help the next

generation be healthier in every way. I wish you luck at your

appointment. Let us know how it goes. I think all of these healing

modalities have come into existence because western medicine has

been inadequate since many of these illnesses are energy related.

Maybe we get ill in the first place in order to reestablish a new

relationship with ourselves and consequently with others. Janis

> I have yet to figure out how to fix and find appropriate

relatrionships,

> tus I live alone and do nto socialize at all. I really don't

want to

> anymore. Every time I make friends it is demands on me tht I

can't

> fulfil now. And I really don;t want to anymore. If I were to

meet

> someone that would enhance MY life that might be different but I

am not

> holding my breath. Phil I had the abusive relaioship going on

when I was

> at my sickest, in fact I am sure this relationsjip is what

trashed my

> adrenals.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

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I get the " rolled eyes " from my mother, just like she did when I was a kid,

thinking I was making everythingup, and over-reacting, and being a baby.

She always knows more than I do, and if I just used this fascial cream I

won't look so old, and if I go back to work, and go " do more " , I'll feel

better and lose weight. I don't even talk about it anymore, and nobody

asks. I figure its not their business anyway.

My dh tries, but again, I get the rolled eyes, and he gets frustrated and

angry, and starts acting like a jerk. Then he says: " You have to tell me

what's going on! " (hence the rolled eyes). But I must say, if I was that

sick, he would drive me to the ER.

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>

> I had changed the unspoken rules of the game i.e. that I was a

>> caregiver and they the receivers of care.

>

> That's right. I think that's why everyone was so stunned when I got

> so sick that I couldn't do anything. My husband didn't know what to

> do because I always cared for him. My mom didn't know what to do

> because I was always the " strong " one - she and my sister were the

> " emotional " ones.

>

> I was always the one accomodating THEIR needs. Now I'm paying

> attention to my needs and it's uncomfortable for everyone. Oh well.

WHEW! That is a mouthful, and EXACTLY what is (or was) going on here.

Until my dh wrapped himself around a telephone pole, and now I'm back to the

constant caregiver again.

>

> My friendships were just plain superficial. To be honest, I knew

> that, but I hadn't run into anyone who wanted anything deeper. Seems

> like no one " has the time " .

>

Ditto here. None of my " friends " are true friends.

>

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This is what my husband thinks of me. Lazy and disinterested.

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Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

>I think a huge part of the problem here is most of us WERE over

> achievers in a past life, and the people around us got used to OUR doing

> everything. Slowly we just stopped doing things one at a time and the

> general opinion at least of my acquaintances is that i got lazy and

> disinterested. they cannot possibly know how untrue that is.

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I think the social isolation is one of the most painful aspects of being sick.

When you need loving support the most, you have to deal with the added

burden of finding that your " friends " are really merely acquaintances who

desert you in your time of need, no matter how much you have done for

them. I found the rejection heartbreaking. I've had to get used to it,

though.

When you have no family left alive, and your friends have deserted you

because you aren't " fun " to be around any more, it's hard to find a reason

for trying to get well. For a long time, it's been me and my cat......

Josie

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>>For a long time, it's been me and my cat......<<

Hey my very best friends are my pets. They DO give me a reason to get up in the

morning.. all 8 of them!

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>

> >

> > I had changed the unspoken rules of the game i.e. that I was a

> >> caregiver and they the receivers of care.

> >

> > That's right. I think that's why everyone was so stunned when I got

> > so sick that I couldn't do anything. My husband didn't know what to

> > do because I always cared for him. My mom didn't know what to do

> > because I was always the " strong " one - she and my sister were the

> > " emotional " ones.

> >

> > I was always the one accomodating THEIR needs. Now I'm paying

> > attention to my needs and it's uncomfortable for everyone. Oh well.

>

> WHEW! That is a mouthful, and EXACTLY what is (or was) going on here.

> Until my dh wrapped himself around a telephone pole, and now I'm

back to the

> constant caregiver again.

Wow...it's sad that so many of us go through the same thing!

>

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>

> When you have no family left alive, and your friends have deserted you

> because you aren't " fun " to be around any more, it's hard to find

a reason

> for trying to get well. For a long time, it's been me and my

cat......

Yeah, Josie, I've heard that quite a bit from my husband, that I'm not

fun anymore. Right...because I'm sick & still responsible for too much.

[Guest guest]

Yet another source of guilt for me...to energy to deal with my dogs,

one of whom is HIGH maintenance...

I think I need a Bahamavention!

Warmly,

>

> >>For a long time, it's been me and my cat......<<

>

> Hey my very best friends are my pets. They DO give me a reason to

get up in the morning.. all 8 of them!

>

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[Guest guest]

I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I probably will. And

this is not directed at any one particular person.

Personally, I would rather focus on getting healthy than on how sick I

am or may be or was. What we focus on now creates our reality

tomorrow. So if you choose to focus on your illness and all the

friends you've lost, and how awful you've been treated and " how can

they be that way " and OH POOR ME, then you will just get more of it

and make your self sicker in the meantime.

Believe me, I understand what it's like to have this illness. I

suffered from severe PMS for 25+ years. Finally had a hysterectomy as

a result and had about 8 good years before I got sick with this. So

I've been sick most of my life with hormone related issues.

I live alone and don't have a social life but I don't blame the rest

of the world. This is my life and I've been sick so why wouldn't

everyone else go on with their life. Their life doesn't revolve

around my illness and I understand that! Yes, I've been angry at my

children but I've also come to realize that the anger I felt was only

stressing my body out and didn't make anything better. So I chose to

forgive them and ease the stress in my body in an effort to continue

toward health -- not sickness. After all my expectation about how

they should act was what caused my anger. They really didn't do

anything - it was what I thought they should do that I was angry about.

Hormone illnesses are not understood by the general public so people

don't know how to react. Hell, 90% of the doctors don't understand

them so how can we expect our friends and relatives to understand?

The mind is a powerful thing. Use it to gravitate towards health.

Think happy and good thoughts. Anger only creates dis-ease.

Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a part

of a group of victims! Take responsibility for yourselves and don't

expect others to - even if you are sick. It will make you stronger.

And that's how you got here so keep it up!

Ginger

[Guest guest]

I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I probably will. And

this is not directed at any one particular person.

Personally, I would rather focus on getting healthy than on how sick I

am or may be or was. What we focus on now creates our reality

tomorrow. So if you choose to focus on your illness and all the

friends you've lost, and how awful you've been treated and " how can

they be that way " and OH POOR ME, then you will just get more of it

and make your self sicker in the meantime.

Believe me, I understand what it's like to have this illness. I

suffered from severe PMS for 25+ years. Finally had a hysterectomy as

a result and had about 8 good years before I got sick with this. So

I've been sick most of my life with hormone related issues.

I live alone and don't have a social life but I don't blame the rest

of the world. This is my life and I've been sick so why wouldn't

everyone else go on with their life. Their life doesn't revolve

around my illness and I understand that! Yes, I've been angry at my

children but I've also come to realize that the anger I felt was only

stressing my body out and didn't make anything better. So I chose to

forgive them and ease the stress in my body in an effort to continue

toward health -- not sickness. After all my expectation about how

they should act was what caused my anger. They really didn't do

anything - it was what I thought they should do that I was angry about.

Hormone illnesses are not understood by the general public so people

don't know how to react. Hell, 90% of the doctors don't understand

them so how can we expect our friends and relatives to understand?

The mind is a powerful thing. Use it to gravitate towards health.

Think happy and good thoughts. Anger only creates dis-ease.

Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a part

of a group of victims! Take responsibility for yourselves and don't

expect others to - even if you are sick. It will make you stronger.

And that's how you got here so keep it up!

Ginger

[Guest guest]

Well, Ginger, even if you weren't directing it at anyone in

particular, I HAVE taken it personally, and my feathers ARE ruffled.

The part that you didn't get, because I hadn't crafted that post yet -

but now is as good of a time as any, was the part about how happy I

felt after being able to share this here & to know that others

understand where I've been & where I'm going.

I felt so relieved to have all of it off my chest, and therefore I

wasn't holding it all in like I USED to, which is very unhealthy.

Let's see...who would I have shared that with other than my FRIENDS

HERE...would it be the friends who dropped out of my world? No,

because they're gone. Good. I deserve better than superficial

friendships.

Would I discuss it with my husband who basically left me in bed alone

for a month & only came up to deliver meals? Ummm, I think not.

That's something that I am dealing with, but since it is intensely

personal, I won't say anything more about it.

If it sounds like I'm angry about how they behaved - I AM! Do I have

a right to be? Doesn't really matter...I'm angry & chose to share it

with my friends here who understand.

I DON'T expect anyone's world to revolve around my illness, but I DO

expect my husband to care for me when I'm ill - that's what you do for

someone you supposedly love.

I DO expect " friends " so at least contact me in some way to see if I'm

dead or alive - I wasn't chronically ill for years - the most severe

aspects of my adrenal problems came on pretty quickly - so when they

last saw me in June, I was up & around & living my life - by October I

was bedridden. Pretty quick turnaround for " moving on with their lives. "

The reason I posted on this topic in the first place was to try & gain

an understanding of how people react when others become ill, so that I

can put it in its place in my life and MOVE ON! If I can't do that

here, then where can I?

Does that mean I'm on my PITY POT? Probably in your eyes. But that

pity pot has inspired me to great things. I WILL get better & soon!

I am seeking out all manner of answers - physical, mental & emotional.

I am also developing a website with my story & resources that will

hopefully help others on this path.

After reading today how sick many have been for YEARS, I've been

counting my blessings that I am getting better after only months!

After seeing how many have been through MUCH WORSE than me, I am

thanking God for JUST having the problems that I do. That doesn't

sound like a pity pot to me.

In fact, this afternoon after sharing all of this & reading the

responses, I felt HEALED of this problem.

You see, I agree with you that we manifest the things that we focus

on. However, this pity pot anger of mine was lingering beneath the

surface of my world, and I didn't know how to get rid of it. So I

shared it with my FRIENDS here, and they responded, and in the same

way that they helped me to diagnose & treat, and hopefully soon heal

my adrenals, they also helped me to rid myself of this anger in what I

think is a very short time.

For that, my dear friends, I THANK YOU! You all mean the WORLD to me!

If that's a victim mentality, then I'm a monkey's uncle. And so be it.

>

> I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I probably will. And

> this is not directed at any one particular person.

>

> Personally, I would rather focus on getting healthy than on how sick I

> am or may be or was. What we focus on now creates our reality

> tomorrow. So if you choose to focus on your illness and all the

> friends you've lost, and how awful you've been treated and " how can

> they be that way " and OH POOR ME, then you will just get more of it

> and make your self sicker in the meantime.

>

> Believe me, I understand what it's like to have this illness. I

> suffered from severe PMS for 25+ years. Finally had a hysterectomy as

> a result and had about 8 good years before I got sick with this. So

> I've been sick most of my life with hormone related issues.

>

> I live alone and don't have a social life but I don't blame the rest

> of the world. This is my life and I've been sick so why wouldn't

> everyone else go on with their life. Their life doesn't revolve

> around my illness and I understand that! Yes, I've been angry at my

> children but I've also come to realize that the anger I felt was only

> stressing my body out and didn't make anything better. So I chose to

> forgive them and ease the stress in my body in an effort to continue

> toward health -- not sickness. After all my expectation about how

> they should act was what caused my anger. They really didn't do

> anything - it was what I thought they should do that I was angry about.

>

> Hormone illnesses are not understood by the general public so people

> don't know how to react. Hell, 90% of the doctors don't understand

> them so how can we expect our friends and relatives to understand?

>

> The mind is a powerful thing. Use it to gravitate towards health.

> Think happy and good thoughts. Anger only creates dis-ease.

>

> Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a part

> of a group of victims! Take responsibility for yourselves and don't

> expect others to - even if you are sick. It will make you stronger.

> And that's how you got here so keep it up!

>

> Ginger

>

[Guest guest]

Well, Ginger, even if you weren't directing it at anyone in

particular, I HAVE taken it personally, and my feathers ARE ruffled.

The part that you didn't get, because I hadn't crafted that post yet -

but now is as good of a time as any, was the part about how happy I

felt after being able to share this here & to know that others

understand where I've been & where I'm going.

I felt so relieved to have all of it off my chest, and therefore I

wasn't holding it all in like I USED to, which is very unhealthy.

Let's see...who would I have shared that with other than my FRIENDS

HERE...would it be the friends who dropped out of my world? No,

because they're gone. Good. I deserve better than superficial

friendships.

Would I discuss it with my husband who basically left me in bed alone

for a month & only came up to deliver meals? Ummm, I think not.

That's something that I am dealing with, but since it is intensely

personal, I won't say anything more about it.

If it sounds like I'm angry about how they behaved - I AM! Do I have

a right to be? Doesn't really matter...I'm angry & chose to share it

with my friends here who understand.

I DON'T expect anyone's world to revolve around my illness, but I DO

expect my husband to care for me when I'm ill - that's what you do for

someone you supposedly love.

I DO expect " friends " so at least contact me in some way to see if I'm

dead or alive - I wasn't chronically ill for years - the most severe

aspects of my adrenal problems came on pretty quickly - so when they

last saw me in June, I was up & around & living my life - by October I

was bedridden. Pretty quick turnaround for " moving on with their lives. "

The reason I posted on this topic in the first place was to try & gain

an understanding of how people react when others become ill, so that I

can put it in its place in my life and MOVE ON! If I can't do that

here, then where can I?

Does that mean I'm on my PITY POT? Probably in your eyes. But that

pity pot has inspired me to great things. I WILL get better & soon!

I am seeking out all manner of answers - physical, mental & emotional.

I am also developing a website with my story & resources that will

hopefully help others on this path.

After reading today how sick many have been for YEARS, I've been

counting my blessings that I am getting better after only months!

After seeing how many have been through MUCH WORSE than me, I am

thanking God for JUST having the problems that I do. That doesn't

sound like a pity pot to me.

In fact, this afternoon after sharing all of this & reading the

responses, I felt HEALED of this problem.

You see, I agree with you that we manifest the things that we focus

on. However, this pity pot anger of mine was lingering beneath the

surface of my world, and I didn't know how to get rid of it. So I

shared it with my FRIENDS here, and they responded, and in the same

way that they helped me to diagnose & treat, and hopefully soon heal

my adrenals, they also helped me to rid myself of this anger in what I

think is a very short time.

For that, my dear friends, I THANK YOU! You all mean the WORLD to me!

If that's a victim mentality, then I'm a monkey's uncle. And so be it.

>

> I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I probably will. And

> this is not directed at any one particular person.

>

> Personally, I would rather focus on getting healthy than on how sick I

> am or may be or was. What we focus on now creates our reality

> tomorrow. So if you choose to focus on your illness and all the

> friends you've lost, and how awful you've been treated and " how can

> they be that way " and OH POOR ME, then you will just get more of it

> and make your self sicker in the meantime.

>

> Believe me, I understand what it's like to have this illness. I

> suffered from severe PMS for 25+ years. Finally had a hysterectomy as

> a result and had about 8 good years before I got sick with this. So

> I've been sick most of my life with hormone related issues.

>

> I live alone and don't have a social life but I don't blame the rest

> of the world. This is my life and I've been sick so why wouldn't

> everyone else go on with their life. Their life doesn't revolve

> around my illness and I understand that! Yes, I've been angry at my

> children but I've also come to realize that the anger I felt was only

> stressing my body out and didn't make anything better. So I chose to

> forgive them and ease the stress in my body in an effort to continue

> toward health -- not sickness. After all my expectation about how

> they should act was what caused my anger. They really didn't do

> anything - it was what I thought they should do that I was angry about.

>

> Hormone illnesses are not understood by the general public so people

> don't know how to react. Hell, 90% of the doctors don't understand

> them so how can we expect our friends and relatives to understand?

>

> The mind is a powerful thing. Use it to gravitate towards health.

> Think happy and good thoughts. Anger only creates dis-ease.

>

> Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a part

> of a group of victims! Take responsibility for yourselves and don't

> expect others to - even if you are sick. It will make you stronger.

> And that's how you got here so keep it up!

>

> Ginger

>

[Guest guest]

> I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I probably will. And

> this is not directed at any one particular person.

IMR>This is so true, and the underlying theme of what I have been

getting this whole thread through. Yes, we are sick, but the same

body that created the illness can also have it's power harnessed to

cure it......but not when the sole focus is put on the ILLness,

instead of the WELLness.

>

> Personally, I would rather focus on getting healthy than on how sick I

> am or may be or was. What we focus on now creates our reality

> tomorrow. So if you choose to focus on your illness and all the

> friends you've lost, and how awful you've been treated and " how can

> they be that way " and OH POOR ME, then you will just get more of it

> and make your self sicker in the meantime.

IMR>>>this also fall very much in line with THE SECRET, if any of you

have been listienig to that.

>

> Believe me, I understand what it's like to have this illness. I

> suffered from severe PMS for 25+ years. Finally had a hysterectomy as

> a result and had about 8 good years before I got sick with this. So

> I've been sick most of my life with hormone related issues.

>

> I live alone and don't have a social life but I don't blame the rest

> of the world. This is my life and I've been sick so why wouldn't

> everyone else go on with their life. Their life doesn't revolve

> around my illness and I understand that! Yes, I've been angry at my

> children but I've also come to realize that the anger I felt was only

> stressing my body out and didn't make anything better. So I chose to

> forgive them and ease the stress in my body in an effort to continue

> toward health -- not sickness. After all my expectation about how

> they should act was what caused my anger. They really didn't do

> anything - it was what I thought they should do that I was angry

> about.

>

> Hormone illnesses are not understood by the general public so people

> don't know how to react.

IMR>>>>>Yess, and the other fact is that people don't really want to

hear about other peopels' illensses because it sort of hits too close

to home, and maybe that is how it should be, because THEY don't

want to be sick too, so why should they put their energy into

listening to how somebody else is sick.

It sounds a bit cold and callous but think about it for awhile. When

you yourself were feeling good, did you want to spend your time

listening to soembody whine and moan about their ailments? Did that

lift your energy and empower you, or bring you down?

There are two sides to this coin: one is compassion, but true

compasison will lead a person to understand that healing is their

gift anyway..... be it physical, spiritual, emotional or all three,

as the three are impossible to ever completley seperate. The other

side is buying into a thought system that supports the illness. It is

not a healthy thing. Human beings by nature fear death, and any

relating to that puts more energy on one's own mortality. I think we

instinctively know that, and so shy away from illness and sickness in

others.

> Hell, 90% of the doctors don't understand

> them so how can we expect our friends and relatives to understand?

>

> The mind is a powerful thing. Use it to gravitate towards health.

> Think happy and good thoughts. Anger only creates dis-ease.

>

> Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a part

> of a group of victims!

IMR>>>>>>>I could not agree with you more!

~Inga

>

> .

> <serv>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I probably will. And

> this is not directed at any one particular person.

IMR>This is so true, and the underlying theme of what I have been

getting this whole thread through. Yes, we are sick, but the same

body that created the illness can also have it's power harnessed to

cure it......but not when the sole focus is put on the ILLness,

instead of the WELLness.

>

> Personally, I would rather focus on getting healthy than on how sick I

> am or may be or was. What we focus on now creates our reality

> tomorrow. So if you choose to focus on your illness and all the

> friends you've lost, and how awful you've been treated and " how can

> they be that way " and OH POOR ME, then you will just get more of it

> and make your self sicker in the meantime.

IMR>>>this also fall very much in line with THE SECRET, if any of you

have been listienig to that.

>

> Believe me, I understand what it's like to have this illness. I

> suffered from severe PMS for 25+ years. Finally had a hysterectomy as

> a result and had about 8 good years before I got sick with this. So

> I've been sick most of my life with hormone related issues.

>

> I live alone and don't have a social life but I don't blame the rest

> of the world. This is my life and I've been sick so why wouldn't

> everyone else go on with their life. Their life doesn't revolve

> around my illness and I understand that! Yes, I've been angry at my

> children but I've also come to realize that the anger I felt was only

> stressing my body out and didn't make anything better. So I chose to

> forgive them and ease the stress in my body in an effort to continue

> toward health -- not sickness. After all my expectation about how

> they should act was what caused my anger. They really didn't do

> anything - it was what I thought they should do that I was angry

> about.

>

> Hormone illnesses are not understood by the general public so people

> don't know how to react.

IMR>>>>>Yess, and the other fact is that people don't really want to

hear about other peopels' illensses because it sort of hits too close

to home, and maybe that is how it should be, because THEY don't

want to be sick too, so why should they put their energy into

listening to how somebody else is sick.

It sounds a bit cold and callous but think about it for awhile. When

you yourself were feeling good, did you want to spend your time

listening to soembody whine and moan about their ailments? Did that

lift your energy and empower you, or bring you down?

There are two sides to this coin: one is compassion, but true

compasison will lead a person to understand that healing is their

gift anyway..... be it physical, spiritual, emotional or all three,

as the three are impossible to ever completley seperate. The other

side is buying into a thought system that supports the illness. It is

not a healthy thing. Human beings by nature fear death, and any

relating to that puts more energy on one's own mortality. I think we

instinctively know that, and so shy away from illness and sickness in

others.

> Hell, 90% of the doctors don't understand

> them so how can we expect our friends and relatives to understand?

>

> The mind is a powerful thing. Use it to gravitate towards health.

> Think happy and good thoughts. Anger only creates dis-ease.

>

> Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a part

> of a group of victims!

IMR>>>>>>>I could not agree with you more!

~Inga

>

> .

> <serv>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I understand what you are saying here too!

But - you recongnized part of the problem, and then relased it,

therefore not giving more mass to the problem. So perhaps it is a

matter of discerning when and where it could be helpful to share

something in order to relase it instead of dwellng on it, in order to

not carry it around anymore and dump on one's family, friends and

loved ones who can not possibly understand in the first

place....nor would it even be healthy for them OR the relationship

to put a lot of energy into the ILLness of things with them.

It can be a challenge to discern thngs soemtimes especially when we

have gotten stuck into certain chronic thought patterns.....we ARE

ill, but it is not the thinking of more ill thoughts that will teach

our cells to be well again, but the other way around. I think this is

how the watching of funny movies has helped many people heal

themselves.....getting the bad and negative thoughts out of their

energy fields.....

Also, those of you who have not yet seen it, I would encourage you to

get THE SECRET DVD.

We ARE powerful and creative beings....even when we have created

sickness in ourselves.......

~Inga

> You see, I agree with you that we manifest the things that we focus

> on. However, this pity pot anger of mine was lingering beneath the

> surface of my world, and I didn't know how to get rid of it. So I

> shared it with my FRIENDS here, and they responded, and in the same

> way that they helped me to diagnose & treat, and hopefully soon heal

> my adrenals, they also helped me to rid myself of this anger in what I

> think is a very short time.

>

> For that, my dear friends, I THANK YOU! You all mean the WORLD to me!

>

> If that's a victim mentality, then I'm a monkey's uncle. And so be it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I understand what you are saying here too!

But - you recongnized part of the problem, and then relased it,

therefore not giving more mass to the problem. So perhaps it is a

matter of discerning when and where it could be helpful to share

something in order to relase it instead of dwellng on it, in order to

not carry it around anymore and dump on one's family, friends and

loved ones who can not possibly understand in the first

place....nor would it even be healthy for them OR the relationship

to put a lot of energy into the ILLness of things with them.

It can be a challenge to discern thngs soemtimes especially when we

have gotten stuck into certain chronic thought patterns.....we ARE

ill, but it is not the thinking of more ill thoughts that will teach

our cells to be well again, but the other way around. I think this is

how the watching of funny movies has helped many people heal

themselves.....getting the bad and negative thoughts out of their

energy fields.....

Also, those of you who have not yet seen it, I would encourage you to

get THE SECRET DVD.

We ARE powerful and creative beings....even when we have created

sickness in ourselves.......

~Inga

> You see, I agree with you that we manifest the things that we focus

> on. However, this pity pot anger of mine was lingering beneath the

> surface of my world, and I didn't know how to get rid of it. So I

> shared it with my FRIENDS here, and they responded, and in the same

> way that they helped me to diagnose & treat, and hopefully soon heal

> my adrenals, they also helped me to rid myself of this anger in what I

> think is a very short time.

>

> For that, my dear friends, I THANK YOU! You all mean the WORLD to me!

>

> If that's a victim mentality, then I'm a monkey's uncle. And so be it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>even when we have created

sickness in ourselves.......<<

Sorry I refuse to believe I had any part in creating my illness. Now THAT is a

victim mentality. And is right, if we can't come to each other here for

emotional release, and that is NOT a pity party, but healthy emotional release,

where can we go. This is a support group after all.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>even when we have created

sickness in ourselves.......<<

Sorry I refuse to believe I had any part in creating my illness. Now THAT is a

victim mentality. And is right, if we can't come to each other here for

emotional release, and that is NOT a pity party, but healthy emotional release,

where can we go. This is a support group after all.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

there is a delete key on every keyboard

Lynda

----- Original Message -----

> Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a

> part

> of a group of victims! Take responsibility for yourselves and don't

> expect others to - even if you are sick. It will make you stronger.

> And that's how you got here so keep it up!

>

> Ginger

[Guest guest]

there is a delete key on every keyboard

Lynda

----- Original Message -----

> Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a

> part

> of a group of victims! Take responsibility for yourselves and don't

> expect others to - even if you are sick. It will make you stronger.

> And that's how you got here so keep it up!

>

> Ginger

[Guest guest]

If we don't change the way WE are operating and make the other necessary

changes, we won't heal. If we sit back and expect everyone and everything else

to change for us, then we will stay sick.

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

> I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I probably will. And

> this is not directed at any one particular person.

IMR>This is so true, and the underlying theme of what I have been

getting this whole thread through. Yes, we are sick, but the same

body that created the illness can also have it's power harnessed to

cure it......but not when the sole focus is put on the ILLness,

instead of the WELLness.

>

> Personally, I would rather focus on getting healthy than on how sick I

> am or may be or was. What we focus on now creates our reality

> tomorrow. So if you choose to focus on your illness and all the

> friends you've lost, and how awful you've been treated and " how can

> they be that way " and OH POOR ME, then you will just get more of it

> and make your self sicker in the meantime.

IMR>>>this also fall very much in line with THE SECRET, if any of you

have been listienig to that.

>

> Believe me, I understand what it's like to have this illness. I

> suffered from severe PMS for 25+ years. Finally had a hysterectomy as

> a result and had about 8 good years before I got sick with this. So

> I've been sick most of my life with hormone related issues.

>

> I live alone and don't have a social life but I don't blame the rest

> of the world. This is my life and I've been sick so why wouldn't

> everyone else go on with their life. Their life doesn't revolve

> around my illness and I understand that! Yes, I've been angry at my

> children but I've also come to realize that the anger I felt was only

> stressing my body out and didn't make anything better. So I chose to

> forgive them and ease the stress in my body in an effort to continue

> toward health -- not sickness. After all my expectation about how

> they should act was what caused my anger. They really didn't do

> anything - it was what I thought they should do that I was angry

> about.

>

> Hormone illnesses are not understood by the general public so people

> don't know how to react.

IMR>>>>>Yess, and the other fact is that people don't really want to

hear about other peopels' illensses because it sort of hits too close

to home, and maybe that is how it should be, because THEY don't

want to be sick too, so why should they put their energy into

listening to how somebody else is sick.

It sounds a bit cold and callous but think about it for awhile. When

you yourself were feeling good, did you want to spend your time

listening to soembody whine and moan about their ailments? Did that

lift your energy and empower you, or bring you down?

There are two sides to this coin: one is compassion, but true

compasison will lead a person to understand that healing is their

gift anyway..... be it physical, spiritual, emotional or all three,

as the three are impossible to ever completley seperate. The other

side is buying into a thought system that supports the illness. It is

not a healthy thing. Human beings by nature fear death, and any

relating to that puts more energy on one's own mortality. I think we

instinctively know that, and so shy away from illness and sickness in

others.

> Hell, 90% of the doctors don't understand

> them so how can we expect our friends and relatives to understand?

>

> The mind is a powerful thing. Use it to gravitate towards health.

> Think happy and good thoughts. Anger only creates dis-ease.

>

> Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a part

> of a group of victims!

IMR>>>>>>>I could not agree with you more!

~Inga

>

> .

> <serv>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If we don't change the way WE are operating and make the other necessary

changes, we won't heal. If we sit back and expect everyone and everything else

to change for us, then we will stay sick.

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

> I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I probably will. And

> this is not directed at any one particular person.

IMR>This is so true, and the underlying theme of what I have been

getting this whole thread through. Yes, we are sick, but the same

body that created the illness can also have it's power harnessed to

cure it......but not when the sole focus is put on the ILLness,

instead of the WELLness.

>

> Personally, I would rather focus on getting healthy than on how sick I

> am or may be or was. What we focus on now creates our reality

> tomorrow. So if you choose to focus on your illness and all the

> friends you've lost, and how awful you've been treated and " how can

> they be that way " and OH POOR ME, then you will just get more of it

> and make your self sicker in the meantime.

IMR>>>this also fall very much in line with THE SECRET, if any of you

have been listienig to that.

>

> Believe me, I understand what it's like to have this illness. I

> suffered from severe PMS for 25+ years. Finally had a hysterectomy as

> a result and had about 8 good years before I got sick with this. So

> I've been sick most of my life with hormone related issues.

>

> I live alone and don't have a social life but I don't blame the rest

> of the world. This is my life and I've been sick so why wouldn't

> everyone else go on with their life. Their life doesn't revolve

> around my illness and I understand that! Yes, I've been angry at my

> children but I've also come to realize that the anger I felt was only

> stressing my body out and didn't make anything better. So I chose to

> forgive them and ease the stress in my body in an effort to continue

> toward health -- not sickness. After all my expectation about how

> they should act was what caused my anger. They really didn't do

> anything - it was what I thought they should do that I was angry

> about.

>

> Hormone illnesses are not understood by the general public so people

> don't know how to react.

IMR>>>>>Yess, and the other fact is that people don't really want to

hear about other peopels' illensses because it sort of hits too close

to home, and maybe that is how it should be, because THEY don't

want to be sick too, so why should they put their energy into

listening to how somebody else is sick.

It sounds a bit cold and callous but think about it for awhile. When

you yourself were feeling good, did you want to spend your time

listening to soembody whine and moan about their ailments? Did that

lift your energy and empower you, or bring you down?

There are two sides to this coin: one is compassion, but true

compasison will lead a person to understand that healing is their

gift anyway..... be it physical, spiritual, emotional or all three,

as the three are impossible to ever completley seperate. The other

side is buying into a thought system that supports the illness. It is

not a healthy thing. Human beings by nature fear death, and any

relating to that puts more energy on one's own mortality. I think we

instinctively know that, and so shy away from illness and sickness in

others.

> Hell, 90% of the doctors don't understand

> them so how can we expect our friends and relatives to understand?

>

> The mind is a powerful thing. Use it to gravitate towards health.

> Think happy and good thoughts. Anger only creates dis-ease.

>

> Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a part

> of a group of victims!

IMR>>>>>>>I could not agree with you more!

~Inga

>

> .

> <serv>

>

>