Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

[Guest guest]

Val,

I'm really sorry to disagree with you, but we all play a part in creating our

illness or dis-ease in ways we can't even begin to look at. Our negative

emotions and negative thoughts alone create illness and dis-ease. Don't forget

about the mind-body connection to everything. Mind and body are one. If your

body is out of balance, then so is your mind. This reflects all levels of being

including mental, physical and spiritual. We must find balance again.

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

>>even when we have created

sickness in ourselves.......<<

Sorry I refuse to believe I had any part in creating my illness. Now THAT is a

victim mentality. And is right, if we can't come to each other here for

emotional release, and that is NOT a pity party, but healthy emotional release,

where can we go. This is a support group after all.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Val,

I'm really sorry to disagree with you, but we all play a part in creating our

illness or dis-ease in ways we can't even begin to look at. Our negative

emotions and negative thoughts alone create illness and dis-ease. Don't forget

about the mind-body connection to everything. Mind and body are one. If your

body is out of balance, then so is your mind. This reflects all levels of being

including mental, physical and spiritual. We must find balance again.

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

>>even when we have created

sickness in ourselves.......<<

Sorry I refuse to believe I had any part in creating my illness. Now THAT is a

victim mentality. And is right, if we can't come to each other here for

emotional release, and that is NOT a pity party, but healthy emotional release,

where can we go. This is a support group after all.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 24/02/2007 18:38:53 GMT Standard Time,

florida_native222@... writes:

Although, I do believe built-up anger is not healthy for the mind, but I

don't think this is how many of us got here.

It is certainly part, a large part, of the reason I got here .

I have had to work hard to learn how to be comfortable with expressing all

emotions. My tears dried up as a child and my anger was battered out of me at a

young age. It was never safe to show emotion.

It is not hard for me to see how this would impact on the adrenals and hence

the thyroid.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 24/02/2007 18:38:53 GMT Standard Time,

florida_native222@... writes:

Although, I do believe built-up anger is not healthy for the mind, but I

don't think this is how many of us got here.

It is certainly part, a large part, of the reason I got here .

I have had to work hard to learn how to be comfortable with expressing all

emotions. My tears dried up as a child and my anger was battered out of me at a

young age. It was never safe to show emotion.

It is not hard for me to see how this would impact on the adrenals and hence

the thyroid.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 24/02/2007 18:41:34 GMT Standard Time,

cccquilter@... writes:

We are going to work on sleep issues; I have had them lifelong and just want

to get it resolved. I have also been hypoT

lifelong, so want this resolved also and get well, which I suspect will

positively impact my ability to sleep. I have no idea what normal sleep is, so

I

will have to find out.

Hi CC

I am with you on this lofe-long thing with sleep issues. Pse keep us

informed of how you get on with this?

Thanks

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 24/02/2007 18:41:34 GMT Standard Time,

cccquilter@... writes:

We are going to work on sleep issues; I have had them lifelong and just want

to get it resolved. I have also been hypoT

lifelong, so want this resolved also and get well, which I suspect will

positively impact my ability to sleep. I have no idea what normal sleep is, so

I

will have to find out.

Hi CC

I am with you on this lofe-long thing with sleep issues. Pse keep us

informed of how you get on with this?

Thanks

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

>>If we don't change the way WE are operating and make the other necessary

changes, we won't heal. If we sit back and expect everyone and everything else

to change for us, then we will stay sick.<<

Sorry I find this offensive. WE have changed, had to. And I don;t think

anyone expects the world to change just for our illnesses. If we were not trying

to deal with it and get well we wouldn't be HERE. BTW I and many here, have

Hash's.. a GENETIC condition that we had NO control over happening to us. No

amount of changing is going to take it away.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>If we don't change the way WE are operating and make the other necessary

changes, we won't heal. If we sit back and expect everyone and everything else

to change for us, then we will stay sick.<<

Sorry I find this offensive. WE have changed, had to. And I don;t think

anyone expects the world to change just for our illnesses. If we were not trying

to deal with it and get well we wouldn't be HERE. BTW I and many here, have

Hash's.. a GENETIC condition that we had NO control over happening to us. No

amount of changing is going to take it away.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 24/02/2007 19:28:17 GMT Standard Time, skg59@...

writes:

One thing we must keep in mind is that EVERYTHING is about energy.

Yes that seems to be the bottom line and a very encouraging thought

when we sometimes get concerned that we will never heal/change.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 24/02/2007 19:28:17 GMT Standard Time, skg59@...

writes:

One thing we must keep in mind is that EVERYTHING is about energy.

Yes that seems to be the bottom line and a very encouraging thought

when we sometimes get concerned that we will never heal/change.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

Oh i agree we need spiritual healing I started mine by getting rid of

all the negative PEOPLE in my life. This just happened ot include all my

family. And the one I have tried the hardest to HEAL with, my sister, is

my largest failure. Why? Nothing to do wiht me, but wiht HER. Her

negativity towards me kept me ill and frustrated for years. Nothing I

can do about that and THAT discovery was the best thing I have done for

myself in years.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Oh i agree we need spiritual healing I started mine by getting rid of

all the negative PEOPLE in my life. This just happened ot include all my

family. And the one I have tried the hardest to HEAL with, my sister, is

my largest failure. Why? Nothing to do wiht me, but wiht HER. Her

negativity towards me kept me ill and frustrated for years. Nothing I

can do about that and THAT discovery was the best thing I have done for

myself in years.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

, this reminds me of the time I was so sick from insomnia,

and my husband didn't understand my need for sympathy, not advice.

He told me if I run around the block ten times, I will fall asleep.

I felt so alone at the time because he had no clue as to what was

happening to me but he acted like he knew how to solve my problem

(which meant going to the doctor and taking care of it not realizing

that this illness is not something that you can cut out or take a

medicine and be fine). It was just another blow to our marriage that

put stress on my burned out adrenals.

>

> I get the " rolled eyes " from my mother, just like she did when I

was a kid,

> thinking I was making everythingup, and over-reacting, and being a

baby.

> She always knows more than I do, and if I just used this fascial

cream I

> won't look so old, and if I go back to work, and go " do more " ,

I'll feel

> better and lose weight. I don't even talk about it anymore, and

nobody

> asks. I figure its not their business anyway.

>

> My dh tries, but again, I get the rolled eyes, and he gets

frustrated and

> angry, and starts acting like a jerk. Then he says: " You have to

tell me

> what's going on! " (hence the rolled eyes). But I must say, if I

was that

> sick, he would drive me to the ER.

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> Blog ~ http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

> ~One can always be kind to people about whom one cares nothing.~

> -- Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891

>

[Guest guest]

>

Josie, there is a reason to get well. You cannot define yourself by

how others react to you. I am trying to forgive everyone who seems

to turn their back at the time I need them most; they just don't

understand. If they did they would make more of an effort. That

said, it might be helpful to strive towards finding people who are

in your shoes (which is why this yahoo group is wonderful), and find

other ways of finding peace and joy. I still believe part of the

healing process is trying not to judge those who might love you but

who don't know how to deal with the illness. By forgiving them, you

will have the energy to move on in more positive ways. I really

don't believe it's that people you have cared for all these years

(friends and family) have suddenly forgotten you. It's just that

many people cannot deal with such a longstanding illness that makes

no sense to them. In order to feel empowered in their own life, they

use this to put the blame on us in order for them to feel in

control. They are confused and don't know what they can do to help,

so they would rather stay away from the situation. Just another way

to think about it. Janis

> I think the social isolation is one of the most painful aspects of

being sick.

> When you need loving support the most, you have to deal with the

added

> burden of finding that your " friends " are really merely

acquaintances who

> desert you in your time of need, no matter how much you have

done for

> them. I found the rejection heartbreaking. I've had to get

used to it, though.

> When you have no family left alive, and your friends have

deserted you

> because you aren't " fun " to be around any more, it's hard to

find a reason

> for trying to get well. For a long time, it's been me and my

cat......

> Josie

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

Josie, there is a reason to get well. You cannot define yourself by

how others react to you. I am trying to forgive everyone who seems

to turn their back at the time I need them most; they just don't

understand. If they did they would make more of an effort. That

said, it might be helpful to strive towards finding people who are

in your shoes (which is why this yahoo group is wonderful), and find

other ways of finding peace and joy. I still believe part of the

healing process is trying not to judge those who might love you but

who don't know how to deal with the illness. By forgiving them, you

will have the energy to move on in more positive ways. I really

don't believe it's that people you have cared for all these years

(friends and family) have suddenly forgotten you. It's just that

many people cannot deal with such a longstanding illness that makes

no sense to them. In order to feel empowered in their own life, they

use this to put the blame on us in order for them to feel in

control. They are confused and don't know what they can do to help,

so they would rather stay away from the situation. Just another way

to think about it. Janis

> I think the social isolation is one of the most painful aspects of

being sick.

> When you need loving support the most, you have to deal with the

added

> burden of finding that your " friends " are really merely

acquaintances who

> desert you in your time of need, no matter how much you have

done for

> them. I found the rejection heartbreaking. I've had to get

used to it, though.

> When you have no family left alive, and your friends have

deserted you

> because you aren't " fun " to be around any more, it's hard to

find a reason

> for trying to get well. For a long time, it's been me and my

cat......

> Josie

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.

>

>

[Guest guest]

---

You are obviously not alone in feeling this way as you can see from

all these replies!!!

It's so sad. I am exactly the same.

Most of my family don't have a clue about what's wrong with me. It's

too much for them to want to understand and too " non mainstream " . If a

normal doctor can't cure me then there's probably nothing " really

wrong " . Some of them take the attitude that if I just lost weight and

did more excerise I would be fine. Or I get comments which REALLY hurt

like " we all feel like that sometimes but you just have to get on with

thing. " Like someone else said (Val I think) they forget that that

was exactly what we used to do at the beginning of our illness and is

often what made us relapse deeper in the first place.

I have learnt to be very secretive about it all and avoid the subject,

to protect myself from hurtful comments or rejection. Also, I simply

do not have the energy to explain things to people. It's like we speak

a different language!

As far as friends go, I guess it must just be human nature. Those of

us with all these problems tend to naturally be more empathetic and

caring people and so find the negative or insensitive reactions of

friends particularly hurtful.

I have made friends through these groups - people who genuinely

understand what I am going through and are non judgemental.

On a positive note though I am very, very fortunate with my Husband.

He has never doubted me and has been there for me the whole time. He

works all the time and learning about my health problems and treating

myself is a lonely job, but at least I never have to face his doubt

and I always know he is behind me.

" friends " In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

" angesc2001 " wrote:

>

> Hi, Y'all,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

---

You are obviously not alone in feeling this way as you can see from

all these replies!!!

It's so sad. I am exactly the same.

Most of my family don't have a clue about what's wrong with me. It's

too much for them to want to understand and too " non mainstream " . If a

normal doctor can't cure me then there's probably nothing " really

wrong " . Some of them take the attitude that if I just lost weight and

did more excerise I would be fine. Or I get comments which REALLY hurt

like " we all feel like that sometimes but you just have to get on with

thing. " Like someone else said (Val I think) they forget that that

was exactly what we used to do at the beginning of our illness and is

often what made us relapse deeper in the first place.

I have learnt to be very secretive about it all and avoid the subject,

to protect myself from hurtful comments or rejection. Also, I simply

do not have the energy to explain things to people. It's like we speak

a different language!

As far as friends go, I guess it must just be human nature. Those of

us with all these problems tend to naturally be more empathetic and

caring people and so find the negative or insensitive reactions of

friends particularly hurtful.

I have made friends through these groups - people who genuinely

understand what I am going through and are non judgemental.

On a positive note though I am very, very fortunate with my Husband.

He has never doubted me and has been there for me the whole time. He

works all the time and learning about my health problems and treating

myself is a lonely job, but at least I never have to face his doubt

and I always know he is behind me.

" friends " In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

" angesc2001 " wrote:

>

> Hi, Y'all,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Val,

I hear what you are saying. I would like to share with you my idea of a genetic

illness. To me, genetics is what one is predisposed to and where their

weaknesses lie if they are to breakdown and become unbalanced. Thus, I was

prone to endocrine problems, and that's what I got once stress, and the way I

was operating were no longer working. I don't believe that we have to get what

we are genetically predisposed to if we don't set ourselves up to be sick to

begin with. I also believe that our bodies can heal if we do the necessary work

on ourselves and our lives.

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

>>If we don't change the way WE are operating and make the other necessary

changes, we won't heal. If we sit back and expect everyone and everything else

to change for us, then we will stay sick.<<

Sorry I find this offensive. WE have changed, had to. And I don;t think

anyone expects the world to change just for our illnesses. If we were not trying

to deal with it and get well we wouldn't be HERE. BTW I and many here, have

Hash's.. a GENETIC condition that we had NO control over happening to us. No

amount of changing is going to take it away.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Val,

I hear what you are saying. I would like to share with you my idea of a genetic

illness. To me, genetics is what one is predisposed to and where their

weaknesses lie if they are to breakdown and become unbalanced. Thus, I was

prone to endocrine problems, and that's what I got once stress, and the way I

was operating were no longer working. I don't believe that we have to get what

we are genetically predisposed to if we don't set ourselves up to be sick to

begin with. I also believe that our bodies can heal if we do the necessary work

on ourselves and our lives.

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

>>If we don't change the way WE are operating and make the other necessary

changes, we won't heal. If we sit back and expect everyone and everything else

to change for us, then we will stay sick.<<

Sorry I find this offensive. WE have changed, had to. And I don;t think

anyone expects the world to change just for our illnesses. If we were not trying

to deal with it and get well we wouldn't be HERE. BTW I and many here, have

Hash's.. a GENETIC condition that we had NO control over happening to us. No

amount of changing is going to take it away.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

sorry but I've never heard such a load of bunkum! Do you believe

that Type I diabetics get what they deserve because of some kind of

inbuilt behaviour???

Lynda

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

flies?

> Val,

>

> I hear what you are saying. I would like to share with you my idea

> of a genetic illness. To me, genetics is what one is predisposed to

> and where their weaknesses lie if they are to breakdown and become

> unbalanced. Thus, I was prone to endocrine problems, and that's

> what I got once stress, and the way I was operating were no longer

> working. I don't believe that we have to get what we are

> genetically predisposed to if we don't set ourselves up to be sick

> to begin with. I also believe that our bodies can heal if we do the

> necessary work on ourselves and our lives.

>

>

[Guest guest]

sorry but I've never heard such a load of bunkum! Do you believe

that Type I diabetics get what they deserve because of some kind of

inbuilt behaviour???

Lynda

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

flies?

> Val,

>

> I hear what you are saying. I would like to share with you my idea

> of a genetic illness. To me, genetics is what one is predisposed to

> and where their weaknesses lie if they are to breakdown and become

> unbalanced. Thus, I was prone to endocrine problems, and that's

> what I got once stress, and the way I was operating were no longer

> working. I don't believe that we have to get what we are

> genetically predisposed to if we don't set ourselves up to be sick

> to begin with. I also believe that our bodies can heal if we do the

> necessary work on ourselves and our lives.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well having been a dog breeder for years, let me tell you a bit about

genetics. NOTHING oyu do in life will change them. My dog just went hypo

and it is autoimmune and she has had the bets of everything since birth

and no stress and no negativity,. So what's her excuse?

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Well having been a dog breeder for years, let me tell you a bit about

genetics. NOTHING oyu do in life will change them. My dog just went hypo

and it is autoimmune and she has had the bets of everything since birth

and no stress and no negativity,. So what's her excuse?

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

--- Aw, Ginger, that's unfair.

I don't think any one has been sitting on the " pity pot! "

We have merely been discussing one aspect of our life that is effected

by our problems. The person who first posted the thread needed to know

that she wasn't an alien with two heads and that what she was

experiencing has been experienced by others.

And don't forget that our condition causes many mood swings, emotional

sensitivity etc etc.

Some days we need to have a moan. Mostof the time, most of us here are

as positive as you and doing their best to stay that way. If you don't

talk about things here that are bothering you, and you can't talk

about them with your family friends, more emotional problems will result.

I think you were a little harsh and you should expect quite a few

ruffled feathers, even if you meant well.

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " SunshineGinny "

wrote:

>

> I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I probably will. And

> this is not directed at any one particular person.

>

> Personally, I would rather focus on getting healthy than on how sick I

> am or may be or was. What we focus on now creates our reality

> tomorrow. So if you choose to focus on your illness and all the

> friends you've lost, and how awful you've been treated and " how can

> they be that way " and OH POOR ME, then you will just get more of it

> and make your self sicker in the meantime.

>

> Believe me, I understand what it's like to have this illness. I

> suffered from severe PMS for 25+ years. Finally had a hysterectomy as

> a result and had about 8 good years before I got sick with this. So

> I've been sick most of my life with hormone related issues.

>

> I live alone and don't have a social life but I don't blame the rest

> of the world. This is my life and I've been sick so why wouldn't

> everyone else go on with their life. Their life doesn't revolve

> around my illness and I understand that! Yes, I've been angry at my

> children but I've also come to realize that the anger I felt was only

> stressing my body out and didn't make anything better. So I chose to

> forgive them and ease the stress in my body in an effort to continue

> toward health -- not sickness. After all my expectation about how

> they should act was what caused my anger. They really didn't do

> anything - it was what I thought they should do that I was angry about.

>

> Hormone illnesses are not understood by the general public so people

> don't know how to react. Hell, 90% of the doctors don't understand

> them so how can we expect our friends and relatives to understand?

>

> The mind is a powerful thing. Use it to gravitate towards health.

> Think happy and good thoughts. Anger only creates dis-ease.

>

> Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a part

> of a group of victims! Take responsibility for yourselves and don't

> expect others to - even if you are sick. It will make you stronger.

> And that's how you got here so keep it up!

>

> Ginger

>

[Guest guest]

--- Aw, Ginger, that's unfair.

I don't think any one has been sitting on the " pity pot! "

We have merely been discussing one aspect of our life that is effected

by our problems. The person who first posted the thread needed to know

that she wasn't an alien with two heads and that what she was

experiencing has been experienced by others.

And don't forget that our condition causes many mood swings, emotional

sensitivity etc etc.

Some days we need to have a moan. Mostof the time, most of us here are

as positive as you and doing their best to stay that way. If you don't

talk about things here that are bothering you, and you can't talk

about them with your family friends, more emotional problems will result.

I think you were a little harsh and you should expect quite a few

ruffled feathers, even if you meant well.

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " SunshineGinny "

wrote:

>

> I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I probably will. And

> this is not directed at any one particular person.

>

> Personally, I would rather focus on getting healthy than on how sick I

> am or may be or was. What we focus on now creates our reality

> tomorrow. So if you choose to focus on your illness and all the

> friends you've lost, and how awful you've been treated and " how can

> they be that way " and OH POOR ME, then you will just get more of it

> and make your self sicker in the meantime.

>

> Believe me, I understand what it's like to have this illness. I

> suffered from severe PMS for 25+ years. Finally had a hysterectomy as

> a result and had about 8 good years before I got sick with this. So

> I've been sick most of my life with hormone related issues.

>

> I live alone and don't have a social life but I don't blame the rest

> of the world. This is my life and I've been sick so why wouldn't

> everyone else go on with their life. Their life doesn't revolve

> around my illness and I understand that! Yes, I've been angry at my

> children but I've also come to realize that the anger I felt was only

> stressing my body out and didn't make anything better. So I chose to

> forgive them and ease the stress in my body in an effort to continue

> toward health -- not sickness. After all my expectation about how

> they should act was what caused my anger. They really didn't do

> anything - it was what I thought they should do that I was angry about.

>

> Hormone illnesses are not understood by the general public so people

> don't know how to react. Hell, 90% of the doctors don't understand

> them so how can we expect our friends and relatives to understand?

>

> The mind is a powerful thing. Use it to gravitate towards health.

> Think happy and good thoughts. Anger only creates dis-ease.

>

> Please, please get off the pity pot. I really don't want to be a part

> of a group of victims! Take responsibility for yourselves and don't

> expect others to - even if you are sick. It will make you stronger.

> And that's how you got here so keep it up!

>

> Ginger

>