Re: questions about waking up in the wee.....

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It is a normal pattern in adrenal fatigue to be low inthe AM then going

too high at night.When you take HC it rearranges this pattern to the

more normal one of high in the mornign then tapering to a low at night.

Usually once you correct the low AM cortisol with meds, the high

nightime will driop and many times it drops too low so we still have ot

take HC at bedtime if oyu have problems sleeping while on it.

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It is a normal pattern in adrenal fatigue to be low inthe AM then going

too high at night.When you take HC it rearranges this pattern to the

more normal one of high in the mornign then tapering to a low at night.

Usually once you correct the low AM cortisol with meds, the high

nightime will driop and many times it drops too low so we still have ot

take HC at bedtime if oyu have problems sleeping while on it.

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>

> It is a normal pattern in adrenal fatigue to be low inthe AM then

going

> too high at night.When you take HC it rearranges this pattern to

the

> more normal one of high in the mornign then tapering to a low at

night.

> Usually once you correct the low AM cortisol with meds, the high

> nightime will driop and many times it drops too low so we still

have ot

> take HC at bedtime if oyu have problems sleeping while on it.

>

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> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

Hi Val,

It sounds like dosing should always be tapering then, starting out

higher and ending up lower?

I tried to go to 5mg 4x/day, but this dose turns out was too low and

my temps and pulse went way down. So I will be going back up to 25.

What do you think is the best way of dosing that?

thanks much,

Dahlia

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>

> It is a normal pattern in adrenal fatigue to be low inthe AM then

going

> too high at night.When you take HC it rearranges this pattern to

the

> more normal one of high in the mornign then tapering to a low at

night.

> Usually once you correct the low AM cortisol with meds, the high

> nightime will driop and many times it drops too low so we still

have ot

> take HC at bedtime if oyu have problems sleeping while on it.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

Hi Val,

It sounds like dosing should always be tapering then, starting out

higher and ending up lower?

I tried to go to 5mg 4x/day, but this dose turns out was too low and

my temps and pulse went way down. So I will be going back up to 25.

What do you think is the best way of dosing that?

thanks much,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

I always have felt a tapering dose is more natural and thus more

helpful. For 25 I would try 10-7.5-5-2.5

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[Guest guest]

I always have felt a tapering dose is more natural and thus more

helpful. For 25 I would try 10-7.5-5-2.5

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>

> I always have felt a tapering dose is more natural and thus more

> helpful. For 25 I would try 10-7.5-5-2.5

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

How would you take 30 mg?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

>

> I always have felt a tapering dose is more natural and thus more

> helpful. For 25 I would try 10-7.5-5-2.5

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

How would you take 30 mg?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

>

> I always have felt a tapering dose is more natural and thus more

> helpful. For 25 I would try 10-7.5-5-2.5

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

How would you take 30 mg?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

>>>How would you take 30 mg?<<

When I was on 30 I tried it several ways and ended up with 10-10-5-5 with the

last 5 being at bedtime.

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[Guest guest]

>>>How would you take 30 mg?<<

When I was on 30 I tried it several ways and ended up with 10-10-5-5 with the

last 5 being at bedtime.

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[Guest guest]

>>>How would you take 30 mg?<<

When I was on 30 I tried it several ways and ended up with 10-10-5-5 with the

last 5 being at bedtime.

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Hi, Dahlia,

Sorry it's taken me so long to respond to this post. Oh, the holidays...

I'm very impatient,

> that's why!! It's terrible, but I have been ill for so long that if more

> than a few days go by when I feel bad, I seek to learn why, and

figure it

> must be something I'm taking or not taking--and I start experimenting!

>

> How long do most people generally wait before making changes? btw, been

> on current dose of armour for 2 weeks, current dose of iodoral 11 days.

I don't know how long you should " try out " each thing specifically,

but I'd say that a couple of days isn't going to be long enough. You

might want to wait a bit longer before tinkering.

I'm not just referring to how long, but also to which " philosophy "

you're subscribing to. I think I recall that you recently went from

STTM dosing to Jeffries dosing, then back to STTM dosing of HC? I may

be ENTIRELY wrong & COMPLETELY confused, as brain fog does tend to

slip in from time to time, so if so, PLEASE disregard & forgive...

But here's what I was thinking when I wrote the original comments.

Perhaps you might consider sticking with a particular set of

" philosophies " for a while, and tinker WITHIN that set, rather than

switching ideologies entirely.

(BTW, are you self-treating or working with someone?)

What I mean is this...look at what your " big ticket items " are...

ADRENALS

You're on HC, right? Then decide on which dosing pattern, and stick

with it for a couple of weeks, while doing the temps, to see where

you're at. Then after a period of time - maybe 2 weeks? I'd check

with Val - determine if you need more.

Of course, your case is major enough, with the low BP, etc., that you

may be able to determine sooner that you need more. But stick with

with same dosing ideology, just add more where needed.

I know Val doesn't agree with this, but others feel that you can test

adrenals via saliva while on HC, to get a clear picture of when during

the day you need more or less. You just need to place the HC in gel

caps the day prior to testing so they don't taint the saliva test.

Then with those results you can adjust dosing as well.

SEX HORMONES

Dahlia, I can't recall if your progesterone was high or low? Mine is

low, and I was told that until that is resolved, thyroid & adrenal

probably won't be able to get properly balanced either.

If your P is high there are other things to test for (unless you've

been on HRT and know that's probably the culprit).

If your P is high, you may NOT want to take iodine, as I understand

that it INCREASES P.

If your P is low, you may not want to use P, but rather use iodine,

except as a remedy to bad menstrual bleeding (can't recall if that was

an issue for you).

THYROID

You're on Armour/Nature-throid, and taking Iodoral, right?

With regard to this, I would determine if you want to try to see if

Iodoral will do the trick for your thyroid, or if you just want to

deal with the thyroid meds.

For me personally, I want to see what Iodoral will do for me...maybe

I'll be able to lower or eliminate thyroid meds, but I don't know for

sure. I will have to deal with how I feel for a while longer until I

start the Iodoral & get it going.

You may or may not want to handle it that way, but I would choose

something & stick with it.

SUPPLEMENTS

With the serious adrenal problems that you are having, supplements are

important, but probably aren't going to " fix " everything, so I

wouldn't have super-high expectations of them. Nonetheless, I would

give them time to do their thing.

DOCUMENTATION

This is the critical point, if you ask me. I think it's REALLY

important to note what you start when, and how much, increases, etc.

I use a student planner, so it has monthly calendar & a day-by-day

section. So I make a note on the monthly calendar, then use the

day-by-day section for more detailed notes - dose increases, side

effects, etc.

I also use this planner as my regular appt calendar, so it's not like

I'm carrying around 20 different things.

Dahlia, I think that the best thing you can do is figure out which

advice " resonates " with you, then incorporate that & give it a fair shot.

It took a long time for you to get to this point, and it may take a

while for you to get better.

Most of all, I've been learning that it's critically important to look

at yourself holistically. I NEVER considered that my sex hormones or

iodine might be the root of all of my problems, because NO ONE was

looking at the whole me. Now I've learned to do that, even if the drs

don't!

Dahlia, I really hope you don't think I'm being too much of a

buttinsky! It's just that I've read about your struggle, and I

certainly understand your desire to feel good again & regain your

life. I feel the same desire & it's scary to think that some of this

will take a while to sort out.

Best of everything to you, Dahlia!

Warmly,