Re: questions about waking up in the wee.....

[Guest guest]

Low or high cortisol in the night can cause sleep trouble, and

hypoglycemia, common in adrenal Fatigue can also cause middle of the

night waking. I would try moving your last HC dose to right at bedtime.

Or you can take a tiny bit, say 2.5MG when you wake and see if it puts

you right to sleep. This is a definite sign you are running low at

night. I always needed the bedtime dose and any time I woke at night a

bit more would work better than a sleeping med! You should also eat a

high protein snack at bedtime to help relieve hypoglycemia.

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[Guest guest]

I was doing 10 mgs in the morning and 5 at noon and dinner switched to 5mgs 4x's

a day like Dr. Jefferies says in his book I take 5mgs at bedtime and sleep much

better.

Phil

Atlanta Girl wrote:

In reading the low cortisol symptoms on STTM I see -Waking up in the

middle of the night for a couple of hours.... can someone tell me why

it would be low cortisol doing this? This doesn't make sense to me as

cortisol rises are what wake us up in the morning at the right

time..... I thought that adrenaline surges woke us up at night, or

dropping estrogen in women..... so if it is low cortisol doing the

waking would I be advised to take a small dose of cortef right then and

there?

I never had sleeping problems until I began cortef..... I need cortef,

without question, but somehow it has messed up my sleeping at night. I

wake up at 3 a.m. and don't return to sleep. I am on 25-30 mg or

cortef during the day, last dose at 4 p.m. 3.25 mg armour, last raise

2 weeks ago.

Thanks ahead for all replies,

Eileen

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I'm no expert here, as I'm still trying to figure myself out. :-) But this

is something I've dealt with, too. As far as I understand it, cortisol is

needed for your liver to release glycogen into your system. Without

adequate glycogen (the opposite of insulin), your blood sugar will fall too

low, causing you to have symptoms of hypoglycemia. If your last dose is 4

p.m., you probably don't have enough cortisol in your system in the middle

of the night, so you wake up with hypoglycemia. To me it's been interesting

to see how many people wake up between 3 and 4 a.m., like an alarm clock had

gone off. I also had night sweats and violent nightmares, then to top it

off, I had to go to the bathroom.

To solve this, I take 5 mg of hydrocortisone at bedtime, plus a protein

snack. If I wake up in the middle of the night, I have another small

protein snack plus take 5 more mg of hydrocortisone. I don't know if this

is the best course of action, but it has certainly helped me.

~Anne

[Guest guest]

I'm no expert here, as I'm still trying to figure myself out. :-) But this

is something I've dealt with, too. As far as I understand it, cortisol is

needed for your liver to release glycogen into your system. Without

adequate glycogen (the opposite of insulin), your blood sugar will fall too

low, causing you to have symptoms of hypoglycemia. If your last dose is 4

p.m., you probably don't have enough cortisol in your system in the middle

of the night, so you wake up with hypoglycemia. To me it's been interesting

to see how many people wake up between 3 and 4 a.m., like an alarm clock had

gone off. I also had night sweats and violent nightmares, then to top it

off, I had to go to the bathroom.

To solve this, I take 5 mg of hydrocortisone at bedtime, plus a protein

snack. If I wake up in the middle of the night, I have another small

protein snack plus take 5 more mg of hydrocortisone. I don't know if this

is the best course of action, but it has certainly helped me.

~Anne

[Guest guest]

doesn't low cortisol trigger the release of adrenaline and that would keep

you awake?

-- questions about waking up in the wee.....

In reading the low cortisol symptoms on STTM I see -Waking up in the

middle of the night for a couple of hours.... can someone tell me why

it would be low cortisol doing this? This doesn't make sense to me as

cortisol rises are what wake us up in the morning at the right

time..... I thought that adrenaline surges woke us up at night, or

dropping estrogen in women..... so if it is low cortisol doing the

waking would I be advised to take a small dose of cortef right then and

there?

I never had sleeping problems until I began cortef..... I need cortef,

without question, but somehow it has messed up my sleeping at night. I

wake up at 3 a.m. and don't return to sleep. I am on 25-30 mg or

cortef during the day, last dose at 4 p.m. 3.25 mg armour, last raise

2 weeks ago.

Thanks ahead for all replies,

Eileen

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

[Guest guest]

>>I was doing 10 mgs in the morning and 5 at noon and dinner switched to

5mgs 4x's a day like Dr. Jefferies says in his book I take 5mgs at

bedtime and sleep much better.

Phil>>

Hi Phil,

I just switched my dosing from 7.5, 7.5, 5, 2.5 to 5 mgs 4x/day.

Yesterday was the first day I wound up taking the last dose before bed

and I couldn't get to sleep for hours. Today, I started dosing earlier

in the a.m., so I took my last dose at 5. I hope I have a better chance

of falling asleep tonight.

What time do you take your doses? What do you do if your 3rd dose is way

before you go to sleep?

Thanks,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>>I was doing 10 mgs in the morning and 5 at noon and dinner switched to

5mgs 4x's a day like Dr. Jefferies says in his book I take 5mgs at

bedtime and sleep much better.

Phil>>

Hi Phil,

I just switched my dosing from 7.5, 7.5, 5, 2.5 to 5 mgs 4x/day.

Yesterday was the first day I wound up taking the last dose before bed

and I couldn't get to sleep for hours. Today, I started dosing earlier

in the a.m., so I took my last dose at 5. I hope I have a better chance

of falling asleep tonight.

What time do you take your doses? What do you do if your 3rd dose is way

before you go to sleep?

Thanks,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

I go to bed at 11pm and take it then I had a day like your talking about but I

don't feel it was the HC the next day I went right to sleep.

Phil

srapp785@... wrote:

>>I was doing 10 mgs in the morning and 5 at noon and dinner switched

to

5mgs 4x's a day like Dr. Jefferies says in his book I take 5mgs at

bedtime and sleep much better.

Phil>>

Hi Phil,

I just switched my dosing from 7.5, 7.5, 5, 2.5 to 5 mgs 4x/day.

Yesterday was the first day I wound up taking the last dose before bed

and I couldn't get to sleep for hours. Today, I started dosing earlier

in the a.m., so I took my last dose at 5. I hope I have a better chance

of falling asleep tonight.

What time do you take your doses? What do you do if your 3rd dose is way

before you go to sleep?

Thanks,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

I go to bed at 11pm and take it then I had a day like your talking about but I

don't feel it was the HC the next day I went right to sleep.

Phil

srapp785@... wrote:

>>I was doing 10 mgs in the morning and 5 at noon and dinner switched

to

5mgs 4x's a day like Dr. Jefferies says in his book I take 5mgs at

bedtime and sleep much better.

Phil>>

Hi Phil,

I just switched my dosing from 7.5, 7.5, 5, 2.5 to 5 mgs 4x/day.

Yesterday was the first day I wound up taking the last dose before bed

and I couldn't get to sleep for hours. Today, I started dosing earlier

in the a.m., so I took my last dose at 5. I hope I have a better chance

of falling asleep tonight.

What time do you take your doses? What do you do if your 3rd dose is way

before you go to sleep?

Thanks,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

Hi, Dahlia,

How are you? Hope that you are feeling better!

I have been following your posts & progress, and I've noticed that you

" seem " to make a lot of changes in your various meds, supplements &

dosing (or maybe it's just my perception)...just wondering why...are

you being advised to do so, or do you just feel that things aren't

working well for you?

Let us know how you're doing!

Warmly,

>

> >>I was doing 10 mgs in the morning and 5 at noon and dinner switched to

> 5mgs 4x's a day like Dr. Jefferies says in his book I take 5mgs at

> bedtime and sleep much better.

> Phil>>

>

> Hi Phil,

> I just switched my dosing from 7.5, 7.5, 5, 2.5 to 5 mgs 4x/day.

> Yesterday was the first day I wound up taking the last dose before bed

> and I couldn't get to sleep for hours. Today, I started dosing earlier

> in the a.m., so I took my last dose at 5. I hope I have a better chance

> of falling asleep tonight.

>

> What time do you take your doses? What do you do if your 3rd dose

is way

> before you go to sleep?

>

> Thanks,

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Right...I think that's the palps & waking. I get that about an hour

after falling asleep, although MUCH less frequently now, thankfully!

My guess would be that the cortisol falls too low and the adrenaline

kicks in...

>

> doesn't low cortisol trigger the release of adrenaline and that

would keep

> you awake?

>

> -- questions about waking up in the wee.....

>

> In reading the low cortisol symptoms on STTM I see -Waking up in the

> middle of the night for a couple of hours.... can someone tell me why

> it would be low cortisol doing this? This doesn't make sense to me as

> cortisol rises are what wake us up in the morning at the right

> time..... I thought that adrenaline surges woke us up at night, or

> dropping estrogen in women..... so if it is low cortisol doing the

> waking would I be advised to take a small dose of cortef right then and

> there?

>

> I never had sleeping problems until I began cortef..... I need cortef,

> without question, but somehow it has messed up my sleeping at night. I

> wake up at 3 a.m. and don't return to sleep. I am on 25-30 mg or

> cortef during the day, last dose at 4 p.m. 3.25 mg armour, last raise

> 2 weeks ago.

>

> Thanks ahead for all replies,

> Eileen

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I get this too but I am always concerned that it is the T3 kicking but I

will try taking HC instead. I wake at 4:00 ish at times and other times,

just an hour after going to bed.

-- questions about waking up in the wee.....

>

> In reading the low cortisol symptoms on STTM I see -Waking up in the

> middle of the night for a couple of hours.... can someone tell me why

> it would be low cortisol doing this? This doesn't make sense to me as

> cortisol rises are what wake us up in the morning at the right

> time..... I thought that adrenaline surges woke us up at night, or

> dropping estrogen in women..... so if it is low cortisol doing the

> waking would I be advised to take a small dose of cortef right then and

> there?

>

> I never had sleeping problems until I began cortef..... I need cortef,

> without question, but somehow it has messed up my sleeping at night. I

> wake up at 3 a.m. and don't return to sleep. I am on 25-30 mg or

> cortef during the day, last dose at 4 p.m. 3.25 mg armour, last raise

> 2 weeks ago.

>

> Thanks ahead for all replies,

> Eileen

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Val and for your replies to me. I've read Jefferies

and would like to be able to do his dosing, but right now I need 10 mg

in the a.m., with descending strengths..... perhaps I can working it

around a bit over time.

Val, last night I dosed 2.5 before bed. Had a particularly hypot day

yesterday with cold hands and feet when it was in the 60's. Took 30 mg

HC throughout. I've been on armour for 3 months and a week and worked

myself up to 3.25 grains, and yesterday decided to go for 3.5 grains,

thinking my hypot symptoms were coming back with a vengeance.

Last night I took 2.5 mg before bed after eating protein as a bed time

snack. Same thing, woke at 2 a.m., nervous a bit, hot sweats,....

uncomfortable. so I took 2.5 mg of cortef as suggested...... 1 hour

later I was even more uncomfortable..... could it be that my adrenals

are healing some after only 3 weeks on cortef and that my night time

wakings are a rising cortisol... ?...... How else could I tell the

difference other than the fact that the cortef didn't work as a sleep

aid?

Thanks so much again for all the help that you give. ;-)

Eileen

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

Begin forwarded message:

> Re: questions about waking up in the wee.....

> Posted by: " " artisticgroomer@...   valharly

>

> Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:46 am (PST)

> Low or high cortisol in the night can cause sleep trouble, and

> hypoglycemia, common in adrenal Fatigue can also cause middle of the

> night waking. I would try moving your last HC dose to right at

> bedtime.

> Or you can take a tiny bit, say 2.5MG when you wake and see if it puts

> you right to sleep. This is a definite sign you are running low at

> night. I always needed the bedtime dose and any time I woke at night a

> bit more would work better than a sleeping med! You should also eat a

> high protein snack at bedtime to help relieve hypoglycemia.

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

I am having the same thing happen I slept so good for the days I went to 5mgs of

HC 4 x's a day but in the last 2 nights in a row the same thing happened to me.

I went back to my 10mgs of HC in the morning and 5mgs at noon and dinner. I

can't take nights like this and don't understand what is going on.

Phil

Atlanta Girl wrote:

Thank you Val and for your replies to me. I've read Jefferies

and would like to be able to do his dosing, but right now I need 10 mg

in the a.m., with descending strengths..... perhaps I can working it

around a bit over time.

Val, last night I dosed 2.5 before bed. Had a particularly hypot day

yesterday with cold hands and feet when it was in the 60's. Took 30 mg

HC throughout. I've been on armour for 3 months and a week and worked

myself up to 3.25 grains, and yesterday decided to go for 3.5 grains,

thinking my hypot symptoms were coming back with a vengeance.

Last night I took 2.5 mg before bed after eating protein as a bed time

snack. Same thing, woke at 2 a.m., nervous a bit, hot sweats,....

uncomfortable. so I took 2.5 mg of cortef as suggested...... 1 hour

later I was even more uncomfortable..... could it be that my adrenals

are healing some after only 3 weeks on cortef and that my night time

wakings are a rising cortisol... ?...... How else could I tell the

difference other than the fact that the cortef didn't work as a sleep

aid?

Thanks so much again for all the help that you give. ;-)

Eileen

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

Begin forwarded message:

> Re: questions about waking up in the wee.....

> Posted by: " " artisticgroomer@... valharly

>

> Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:46 am (PST)

> Low or high cortisol in the night can cause sleep trouble, and

> hypoglycemia, common in adrenal Fatigue can also cause middle of the

> night waking. I would try moving your last HC dose to right at

> bedtime.

> Or you can take a tiny bit, say 2.5MG when you wake and see if it puts

> you right to sleep. This is a definite sign you are running low at

> night. I always needed the bedtime dose and any time I woke at night a

> bit more would work better than a sleeping med! You should also eat a

> high protein snack at bedtime to help relieve hypoglycemia.

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

I am having the same thing happen I slept so good for the days I went to 5mgs of

HC 4 x's a day but in the last 2 nights in a row the same thing happened to me.

I went back to my 10mgs of HC in the morning and 5mgs at noon and dinner. I

can't take nights like this and don't understand what is going on.

Phil

Atlanta Girl wrote:

Thank you Val and for your replies to me. I've read Jefferies

and would like to be able to do his dosing, but right now I need 10 mg

in the a.m., with descending strengths..... perhaps I can working it

around a bit over time.

Val, last night I dosed 2.5 before bed. Had a particularly hypot day

yesterday with cold hands and feet when it was in the 60's. Took 30 mg

HC throughout. I've been on armour for 3 months and a week and worked

myself up to 3.25 grains, and yesterday decided to go for 3.5 grains,

thinking my hypot symptoms were coming back with a vengeance.

Last night I took 2.5 mg before bed after eating protein as a bed time

snack. Same thing, woke at 2 a.m., nervous a bit, hot sweats,....

uncomfortable. so I took 2.5 mg of cortef as suggested...... 1 hour

later I was even more uncomfortable..... could it be that my adrenals

are healing some after only 3 weeks on cortef and that my night time

wakings are a rising cortisol... ?...... How else could I tell the

difference other than the fact that the cortef didn't work as a sleep

aid?

Thanks so much again for all the help that you give. ;-)

Eileen

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

Begin forwarded message:

> Re: questions about waking up in the wee.....

> Posted by: " " artisticgroomer@... valharly

>

> Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:46 am (PST)

> Low or high cortisol in the night can cause sleep trouble, and

> hypoglycemia, common in adrenal Fatigue can also cause middle of the

> night waking. I would try moving your last HC dose to right at

> bedtime.

> Or you can take a tiny bit, say 2.5MG when you wake and see if it puts

> you right to sleep. This is a definite sign you are running low at

> night. I always needed the bedtime dose and any time I woke at night a

> bit more would work better than a sleeping med! You should also eat a

> high protein snack at bedtime to help relieve hypoglycemia.

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

As the HC readjusts your Cortisol rythyms, many people need a bedtime

dose of HC. I always took 5MG at bedtime but try just 2.5 and eating

protein at bedtime helps too.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

As the HC readjusts your Cortisol rythyms, many people need a bedtime

dose of HC. I always took 5MG at bedtime but try just 2.5 and eating

protein at bedtime helps too.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>Hi, Dahlia,

How are you? Hope that you are feeling better!

I have been following your posts & progress, and I've noticed that you

" seem " to make a lot of changes in your various meds, supplements &

dosing (or maybe it's just my perception)...just wondering why...are

you being advised to do so, or do you just feel that things aren't

working well for you?

Let us know how you're doing!

Warmly,

>>

Hi ,

Gee, I didn't know I change more than most LOL....I'm very impatient,

that's why!! It's terrible, but I have been ill for so long that if more

than a few days go by when I feel bad, I seek to learn why, and figure it

must be something I'm taking or not taking--and I start experimenting!

How long do most people generally wait before making changes? btw, been

on current dose of armour for 2 weeks, current dose of iodoral 11 days.

That's not bad, is it?

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>

> doesn't low cortisol trigger the release of adrenaline and that

would keep

> you awake?

>

Hi All,

For years before supplementing with h.c., I would come awake within 10

minutes of falling asleep and then be alert and wide awake, unable to

fall back to sleep for hours. Would this also be low cortisol, do you

think?

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>>For years before supplementing with h.c., I would come awake within 10

minutes of falling asleep and then be alert and wide awake, unable to

fall back to sleep for hours. Would this also be low cortisol, do you

think?<<

sOUNDS MORE LIKE HIGH NIGHT TIME CORTISOL.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Phil... same thing, eh? All I know is that before HC when I was only

on armour, and needed HC, I slept for dead. Fabulous sleep. Wondered

how I could be so fortunate. So I dose HC responsibly throughout the

day and then am awakened, sweaty, nervous and weird at 2-4 a.m. I get

up and eat, doesn't help. Took 2.5 mg HC before bed and then 2.5 when

I woke and I became even more stirred up. I don't like it either and

can't handle not sleeping. It's the one thing I count on. So last

night I ended up having to jump out of bed at 3 and take a sleep aid.

Can't see doing this night after night. More than anything it feels

like adrenaline to me, which made me wonder if my adrenals were waking

up when there wasn't HC available. But adrenaline would be present if

blood sugar dropped..... don't get it

So you went back to 10 mg in the morning and are not sleeping.... is

this what is not working for you?

Eileen

> Posted by: " philip georgian " pmgamer18@...   pmgamer18

>

> Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:47 am (PST)

> I am having the same thing happen I slept so good for the days I went

> to 5mgs of HC 4 x's a day but in the last 2 nights in a row the same

> thing happened to me. I went back to my 10mgs of HC in the morning and

> 5mgs at noon and dinner. I can't take nights like this and don't

> understand what is going on.

> Phil

>

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

[Guest guest]

Will try this tonight Val. Thanks,

Eileen

>

>

> Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:00 am (PST)

> As the HC readjusts your Cortisol rythyms, many people need a bedtime

> dose of HC. I always took 5MG at bedtime but try just 2.5 and eating

> protein at bedtime helps too.

>

> --

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

[Guest guest]

Problem is I just don't know enough about this to tell but I will find out. One

of the Dr.'s that posts at the men's health forum said this was going on with

one of the guys they thought it was a high thyroid but it turns out his thyroid

was to low and this was causing his body to make adrenaline. He put him on

armour and right away this guy felt much better and is sleeping much better. I

can't remember if he put him on HC but I think he put him on Isocort.

I will find the post and put it on here. Everyone though this guy would be

hyper thyroid because he was hot and sweating a lot and would wake up feeling

like this.

Phil

Atlanta Girl wrote:

Phil... same thing, eh? All I know is that before HC when I was only

on armour, and needed HC, I slept for dead. Fabulous sleep. Wondered

how I could be so fortunate. So I dose HC responsibly throughout the

day and then am awakened, sweaty, nervous and weird at 2-4 a.m. I get

up and eat, doesn't help. Took 2.5 mg HC before bed and then 2.5 when

I woke and I became even more stirred up. I don't like it either and

can't handle not sleeping. It's the one thing I count on. So last

night I ended up having to jump out of bed at 3 and take a sleep aid.

Can't see doing this night after night. More than anything it feels

like adrenaline to me, which made me wonder if my adrenals were waking

up when there wasn't HC available. But adrenaline would be present if

blood sugar dropped..... don't get it

So you went back to 10 mg in the morning and are not sleeping.... is

this what is not working for you?

Eileen

> Posted by: " philip georgian " pmgamer18@... pmgamer18

>

> Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:47 am (PST)

> I am having the same thing happen I slept so good for the days I went

> to 5mgs of HC 4 x's a day but in the last 2 nights in a row the same

> thing happened to me. I went back to my 10mgs of HC in the morning and

> 5mgs at noon and dinner. I can't take nights like this and don't

> understand what is going on.

> Phil

>

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

[Guest guest]

>>For years before supplementing with h.c., I would come awake within 10

minutes of falling asleep and then be alert and wide awake, unable to

fall back to sleep for hours. Would this also be low cortisol, do you

think?<<

Val writes:>>>>sOUNDS MORE LIKE HIGH NIGHT TIME CORTISOL.

I never took an adrenal test, am assuming I'm low overall...what does

high night time cortisol, with low overall cortisol, mean?

Would this also mean I shouldn't be dosing cortef at night?

thanks,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>>For years before supplementing with h.c., I would come awake within 10

minutes of falling asleep and then be alert and wide awake, unable to

fall back to sleep for hours. Would this also be low cortisol, do you

think?<<

Val writes:>>>>sOUNDS MORE LIKE HIGH NIGHT TIME CORTISOL.

I never took an adrenal test, am assuming I'm low overall...what does

high night time cortisol, with low overall cortisol, mean?

Would this also mean I shouldn't be dosing cortef at night?

thanks,

Dahlia