Re: ADA idiots

[Guest guest]

Geez, makes you think that the ADA has a vested interest in keeping diabetics

sick. Vicki

In a message dated 04/29/2002 12:53:18 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

ottercritter@... writes:

>

> The ADA provided eating suggestions for Diabetics -

> http://www.mealsforyou.com/cgi-bin/recipeCategory?category.39

>

> Here are some of their submissions, listed by carbohydrate content:

>

[Guest guest]

Geez, makes you think that the ADA has a vested interest in keeping diabetics

sick. Vicki

In a message dated 04/29/2002 12:53:18 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

ottercritter@... writes:

>

> The ADA provided eating suggestions for Diabetics -

> http://www.mealsforyou.com/cgi-bin/recipeCategory?category.39

>

> Here are some of their submissions, listed by carbohydrate content:

>

[Guest guest]

Some people do just fine on the ADA diet. I was doing okay on it,

but chose to cut down to about 30 mgs of carbs per meal in order to

lose weight. Even with my modified diet, about half of the food on

the list is okay for me.

Christy

> The ADA provided eating suggestions for Diabetics -

> http://www.mealsforyou.com/cgi-bin/recipeCategory?category.39

>

> Here are some of their submissions, listed by carbohydrate content:

>

> Recipe Name

> Cals Fat Fat% Chol Carbs

>

> Glazed Fruit

> 68 0.4g 5% 0mg 16.8g

> Coconut Sweets (Nariyal barfi)

130 4.6g

> 31% 6mg 19.0g

> Cheesy Eggplant

Casserole 154

> 1.8g 10% 6mg 20.9g

> Veal Piccata with Orange Sauce

378

> 21.4g 51% 100mg 21.5g

> Moroccan Couscous with Chickpeas 196

6.2g

> 28% 0mg 30.0g

> Coconut Pudding

Squares 173

> 2.4g 12% 5mg 31.8g

> Great Grains Burger

> 198 5.2g 24% 32mg 31.9g

> California Walnut, Turkey and Rice Salad 362

17.7g 43%

> 39mg 32.9g

> Blueberry Bake

> 162 0.9g 4% 1mg 38.1g

> Angel Hair Pasta with Tomato Seafood Cream Sauce 274 2.9g 10%

21mg

> 41.1g

> Mexican Roll-Ups

> 556 26.0g 42% 91mg 44.8g

> Rigatoni with Chicken and Three Pepper Sauce 403 9.2g

21%

> 53mg 49.7g

> Indian Rice Curry

> 268 3.7g 12% 0mg 51.4g

> Grilled Shrimp with Pasta and Pineapple Salsa 301

2.2g 6%

> 55mg 58.6g

>

> Susie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/29/02 10:19:09 PM !!!First Boot!!!, whimsy2@...

writes:

<< Geez, makes you think that the ADA has a vested interest in keeping

diabetics

sick. Vicki >>

I had a nice long talk with my Endo when I went to my appointment last week.

I asked him about Atkins and he said he thought that was an extreme diet and

that unless you are willing to stay on it forever then it would be a problem.

I asked him about Dr. Bernstein and he has never heard of it. He said one

of the problems is that to much protien is hard on your kidneys. I asked

him if he had proof and he said it is a fact. He also said that he would be

very willing to back me up on the low carbing and that he actually thinks it

is a very good idea. I thought I would have a hard time with him but he was

very supportive and thinks that as diabetics on the diet we get to many carbs

and the wrong kind of carbs. I have unknowingly been low carbing for awhile.

See I am suppose to eat like 45, 60, 60, 30 carbs a day and being that my

sugar has been high I have only been eating about 15, 20, 20, 15 so I think I

will even take that lower. He also said that we have no real evidence yet

how the use of so much fat will effect the body in the long run. He said

there is positive data for the short term but as people do the long term

thing then maybe doctors will start changing their suggestions. Oh and he is

the Joslin diabetic doc.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/29/02 10:19:09 PM !!!First Boot!!!, whimsy2@...

writes:

<< Geez, makes you think that the ADA has a vested interest in keeping

diabetics

sick. Vicki >>

I had a nice long talk with my Endo when I went to my appointment last week.

I asked him about Atkins and he said he thought that was an extreme diet and

that unless you are willing to stay on it forever then it would be a problem.

I asked him about Dr. Bernstein and he has never heard of it. He said one

of the problems is that to much protien is hard on your kidneys. I asked

him if he had proof and he said it is a fact. He also said that he would be

very willing to back me up on the low carbing and that he actually thinks it

is a very good idea. I thought I would have a hard time with him but he was

very supportive and thinks that as diabetics on the diet we get to many carbs

and the wrong kind of carbs. I have unknowingly been low carbing for awhile.

See I am suppose to eat like 45, 60, 60, 30 carbs a day and being that my

sugar has been high I have only been eating about 15, 20, 20, 15 so I think I

will even take that lower. He also said that we have no real evidence yet

how the use of so much fat will effect the body in the long run. He said

there is positive data for the short term but as people do the long term

thing then maybe doctors will start changing their suggestions. Oh and he is

the Joslin diabetic doc.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/29/02 10:37:04 PM !!!First Boot!!!, macey110@...

writes:

<< Some people do just fine on the ADA diet. I was doing okay on it,

but chose to cut down to about 30 mgs of carbs per meal in order to

lose weight. Even with my modified diet, about half of the food on

the list is okay for me.

Christy

>>

actually awhile back I was on the ADA diet and lost a lot of weight and

rather quickly and my diabetes went into remission. Who knows? My GP said

that if you think about it no matter what diet you follow you are definately

restricting calories.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/29/02 10:37:04 PM !!!First Boot!!!, macey110@...

writes:

<< Some people do just fine on the ADA diet. I was doing okay on it,

but chose to cut down to about 30 mgs of carbs per meal in order to

lose weight. Even with my modified diet, about half of the food on

the list is okay for me.

Christy

>>

actually awhile back I was on the ADA diet and lost a lot of weight and

rather quickly and my diabetes went into remission. Who knows? My GP said

that if you think about it no matter what diet you follow you are definately

restricting calories.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/30/02 12:33:45 AM !!!First Boot!!!, willabee@...

writes:

<< Hi Christy,

I would love to see a daily meal plan of yours. I am hoping to get

pregnant and I know that a low carb way of eating would not be

beneficial to the baby or myself during this time. I will be taking

insulin during my pregnancy and I think 90 carbs per day isn't so bad

for me and baby.

Thanks

Jacky >

When I was pregnant with my daughter they put me on insulin at 7 weeks. I

was gestational at that time. I was seriously diabetic when I became

pregnant. I ate the diet they recommended by my ob and I took my insulin as

prescribed and I had AWESOME control. I only gained 12 pounds with my

daughter and after the pregnancy I lost a bunch of weight. You have to be so

careful in the first trimester because the baby can be harmed without good

control. High sugars can cause a lot of defects. I wasn't diagnosed with

diabetes till I was 7 weeks pregnant because we didn't know I was diabetic

and they did a 1 hour challenge and I failed miserably and they tossed me in

the hospital. The reason why they were checking so intensely is because the

former ob I had failed to run any tests and the baby I was carrying died.

Kelsey my daughter was born healthy and full term and my son was born and I

didn't need insulin with him till I was 6 months and he was born with a heart

defect but is perfectly healthy now.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Hi Christy,

I would love to see a daily meal plan of yours. I am hoping to get

pregnant and I know that a low carb way of eating would not be

beneficial to the baby or myself during this time. I will be taking

insulin during my pregnancy and I think 90 carbs per day isn't so bad

for me and baby.

Thanks

Jacky

btw, do you take med's? I know you are a little person (size 6 if I

remember from another post - GREAT JOB!) are you actually considered a

pre-diabetic now that you bs are stablized and you weight is down.

J

[Guest guest]

HI, Kathy...I have some comments re your post which I interspersed.

In a message dated 04/29/2002 9:13:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

tiggeriffic4258@... writes:

> I had a nice long talk with my Endo when I went to my appointment last week.

>

> I asked him about Atkins and he said he thought that was an extreme diet

> and

> that unless you are willing to stay on it forever then it would be a

> problem.

<<

As far as I can see, any " diet " is a problem to stay on forever, as shown by

the people who go on and off diets for their whole life. OTOH, low (or

moderate) lowcarbing as a " WOE " - i.e. way of eating - isn't a problem at all

and I always wonder at people who consider it so. I've been eating about 100

carbs a day for almost five years now and I'm in no way tired of it. There's

plenty of variety. I rarely even think about the high carb foods I used to

eat daily and no longer do.

<<

> I asked him about Dr. Bernstein and he has never heard of it.

<<

You could do a lot of diabetics a favor and give him a copy (smile)...I think

the paperback is still available from Bayer and is only $8. If you need

ordering info I can give it to you.

<<

He said one > of the problems is that to much protien is hard on your

> kidneys. I asked him if he had proof and he said it is a fact. >>

>

> It's only hard on your kidneys if you have pre-existing kidney problems.

> That was a non-answer he gave you. Maybe Susie M, our best researcher, can

> find something official that refutes the " lowcarb damages kidney " argument

> that you can show him.

> <<

>

He also said that he would be >

> very willing to back me up on the low carbing and that he actually thinks

> it

> is a very good idea. I thought I would have a hard time with him but he

> was

> very supportive and thinks that as diabetics on the diet we get to many

> carbs

> and the wrong kind of carbs.

<<

Well, that's good news!

I have unknowingly been low carbing for awhile. > See I am suppose to eat

> like 45, 60, 60, 30 carbs a day and being that my sugar has been high I

> have only been eating about 15, 20, 20, 15 so I think I will even take that

> lower.

<<

Kathy, be sure to take supplements if you're lowcarbing!

And good luck - you're doing just fine! Vicki

<<

He also said that we have no real evidence yet how the use of so much fat

will

> effect the body in the long run. He said there is positive data for the

> short term but as people do the long term thing then maybe doctors will

> start changing their suggestions. Oh and he is

> the Joslin diabetic doc.

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Rick, I think this would be a worthy addition to our permanent files, what do

you think? (Sorry, couldn't post this privately since I don't have your

email in my address book, smile...) Vicki

In a message dated 04/30/2002 6:08:16 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

macey110@... writes:

>

> Jacky, it's nothing complicated, and I eat a great variety of foods.

> I just basically take the food pyramid and reverse the vegetables

> section and the carbohydrates section, paying close attention to

> portion size. As my weight has come down I began increasing

> the " good fats " in my diet, as well, thanks to a suggestion by

> . I try to eat lots of fresh veggies, either raw or cooked,

> moderate portions of lean meat, and limit my carb intake to 30 grams

> per meal. I also have one to two snacks a day, again, with a mixture

> of a little bit of protein, a little fat, and a little bit of carbs.

> I've lost 45 pounds on this way of eating since November, my last A1c

> was 5.2, and I feel 10 years younger. I know this doesn't work for

> everyone, and I've slowly modified my diet to this one by

> experimenting and testing, as Barb says. (Where the heck is Barb????)

> Recently I've started limiting my breakfast intake to 15 carbs,

> because I was getting a 1 hour spike in the 170s on 30 carbs, even

> though the two hour reading was perfectly fine. But overall, I'm

> still eating about 100-120 carbs per day. I also try to eat a

> mixture of glycemic foods, so I don't get big spikes all at once.

> Most of my BG readings are under 110, and tend to be in the 80s

> between meals on this way of eating. Again, this is what works for

> my body, and I know everyone is different. I also exercise every day

> and I think that's helping a lot, too.

>

> Good luck on adding a little one to your family!

>

> Christy

>

[Guest guest]

Christy wrote:

<< Some people do just fine on the ADA diet. >>

We observe events from our own perspective. I cannot imagine being able to

eat a lot of carbs and " do just fine, " because my pancreas is pretty much

fried, from long-term diabetes. There are folks out there who were lucky

enough to get diagnosed very early. I cannot escape the sense that if they

were alerted at the time of diagnosis to the dangers of high carbohydrate

intake, they could probably nurse their beta cells along for the rest of

their lives. But instead, doctors and dietitians encourage them to eat the

very foods that do them in, and eventually they wind up like me - limping

along on a few worn-out beta cells and unable to eat that way.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Jacky, it's nothing complicated, and I eat a great variety of foods.

I just basically take the food pyramid and reverse the vegetables

section and the carbohydrates section, paying close attention to

portion size. As my weight has come down I began increasing

the " good fats " in my diet, as well, thanks to a suggestion by

. I try to eat lots of fresh veggies, either raw or cooked,

moderate portions of lean meat, and limit my carb intake to 30 grams

per meal. I also have one to two snacks a day, again, with a mixture

of a little bit of protein, a little fat, and a little bit of carbs.

I've lost 45 pounds on this way of eating since November, my last A1c

was 5.2, and I feel 10 years younger. I know this doesn't work for

everyone, and I've slowly modified my diet to this one by

experimenting and testing, as Barb says. (Where the heck is Barb????)

Recently I've started limiting my breakfast intake to 15 carbs,

because I was getting a 1 hour spike in the 170s on 30 carbs, even

though the two hour reading was perfectly fine. But overall, I'm

still eating about 100-120 carbs per day. I also try to eat a

mixture of glycemic foods, so I don't get big spikes all at once.

Most of my BG readings are under 110, and tend to be in the 80s

between meals on this way of eating. Again, this is what works for

my body, and I know everyone is different. I also exercise every day

and I think that's helping a lot, too.

Good luck on adding a little one to your family!

Christy

> Hi Christy,

>

> I would love to see a daily meal plan of yours. I am hoping to get

> pregnant and I know that a low carb way of eating would not be

> beneficial to the baby or myself during this time. I will be taking

> insulin during my pregnancy and I think 90 carbs per day isn't so

bad

> for me and baby.

>

> Thanks

> Jacky

>

> btw, do you take med's? I know you are a little person (size 6 if I

> remember from another post - GREAT JOB!) are you actually

considered a

> pre-diabetic now that you bs are stablized and you weight is down.

>

> J

[Guest guest]

Kathy wrote:

<< [my endo] said one of the problems is that to much protien is hard on

your kidneys. I asked him if he had proof and he said it is a fact. >>

Since ailing kidneys leak protein, an assumption was made that high protein

intake would damage otherwise healthy kidneys - but there is no study

showing that. I have been on high protein intake for several years, and my

kidneys are perfect.

<< He also said that he would be very willing to back me up on the low

carbing and that he actually thinks it is a very good idea. >>

That's excellent news. My doctor is also supportive.

<< He also said that we have no real evidence yet how the use of so much fat

will effect the body in the long run. >>

Try to focus on the " good fats " that we get from olives, avocadoes, nuts,

certain oils, and freshly-ground flaxseed and other seeds.

Susie

[Guest guest]

>

> > btw, do you take med's? I know you are a little person (size 6

if I

> > remember from another post - GREAT JOB!) are you actually

> considered a

> > pre-diabetic now that you bs are stablized and you weight is down.

> >

> > J

I forgot to answer this part. As of April 1, I am off all meds

except Accolate for asthma, Celexa for depression, and Protonix for

GERD. I've been on these for years, but I'm feeling so good that I'm

thinking about trying to get off them, too. I was previously on

Glucophage 500 mg. Lipitor was prescribed for me but I never started

taking it because of my inflamed liver, which is why I had my gall

bladder removed last month. My cholesterol is coming down just with

this new diet, so my doctor said to hold off on the Lipitor. I do

take fiber pills, calcium/magnesium/zinc, aspirin, Centrum

multivitamins and Vitamin C every day. I'm still diabetic, even

though my BG is under control. If I ate a big dish of pasta, my BG

would be right back up in the high 200s. I try to work in a lot of

nutrition and flavor in my meals, and as a result I really don't feel

deprived or miss things. In fact, it's been a fun challenge to see

if I can find alternative recipes to some of my favorite foods. In

many ways, I like the " new, improved versions " better than the

original recipes. For instance, instead of spaghetti once a week, we

now have spaghetti squash in its place. I think it actually tastes

just as satisfying, if not more so. And since I eat more often than

I did in the " old days, " I'm never really hungry. I also try to

limit the processed foods, salt and preservatives I take in.

Christy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/30/02 12:50:30 PM !!!First Boot!!!, whimsy2@...

writes:

<< You could do a lot of diabetics a favor and give him a copy (smile)...I

think

the paperback is still available from Bayer and is only $8. If you need

ordering info I can give it to you. >>

I just read this email (boy am I behind) and I thought of this also and I

have an appointment in 3 months so I figured that I will take it in to him

and let him read it and when I go for my appointment I will ask him about

what he thinks. This could be interesting.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/30/02 12:56:08 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

ottercritter@... writes:

<< We observe events from our own perspective. I cannot imagine being able to

eat a lot of carbs and " do just fine, " because my pancreas is pretty much

fried, from long-term diabetes. There are folks out there who were lucky

enough to get diagnosed very early. I cannot escape the sense that if they

were alerted at the time of diagnosis to the dangers of high carbohydrate

intake, they could probably nurse their beta cells along for the rest of

their lives. But instead, doctors and dietitians encourage them to eat the

very foods that do them in, and eventually they wind up like me - limping

along on a few worn-out beta cells and unable to eat that way.

Susie >>

Hi Susie and everyone else, I have a question.

A while back there was someone that said about Glyburide type of drug will

wear out your pancreas. My Aunt is on Glipizide and I think that is similar

to glyburide and I had said something about it wearing out your pancreas and

she is frightened now and what I was wondering is there any sites I can

direct her too?

Thanks

Kathy

[Guest guest]

tatar19 wrote:

<< Instead of destroying their credibility over mistakes consider where we

would be without them! >>

Okay, I'm considering ... I can't think of anything good they've done for

me. What has the ADA done for you?

Susie

[Guest guest]

tatar19 wrote:

<< Instead of destroying their credibility over mistakes consider where we

would be without them! >>

Okay, I'm considering ... I can't think of anything good they've done for

me. What has the ADA done for you?

Susie

[Guest guest]

My nutritionist put me on a typical ADA diet and if I stick to it I

really do well. But that is my body and I am what they used to be called

borderline. My first test was 6.7 and now im 6.2 or below. My average bs

was 125 (bit high)......

I do have to watch the kind of carbs. Rice is a killer for me. So I am

very careful and so is sugar! They say a carb is a carb but not for my

body.

What I do is eat six meals a day and never more then two carbs at any

meal.

Sussie

The double s sussie

-----Original Message-----

From: Susie Muir

tatar19 wrote:

<< Instead of destroying their credibility over mistakes consider where

we

would be without them! >>

Okay, I'm considering ... I can't think of anything good they've done

for

me. What has the ADA done for you?

Susie

[Guest guest]

My nutritionist put me on a typical ADA diet and if I stick to it I

really do well. But that is my body and I am what they used to be called

borderline. My first test was 6.7 and now im 6.2 or below. My average bs

was 125 (bit high)......

I do have to watch the kind of carbs. Rice is a killer for me. So I am

very careful and so is sugar! They say a carb is a carb but not for my

body.

What I do is eat six meals a day and never more then two carbs at any

meal.

Sussie

The double s sussie

-----Original Message-----

From: Susie Muir

tatar19 wrote:

<< Instead of destroying their credibility over mistakes consider where

we

would be without them! >>

Okay, I'm considering ... I can't think of anything good they've done

for

me. What has the ADA done for you?

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hello jmoverfield@...,

In reference to your comment:

ð I'm not usre what ADA has done for tatar19 BUT I can

ð say that for me it has gotten my blood sugars unde

ð control.  I was having trouble with keeping them at a

ð good number, but since Oct 2000 when I decided to

ð give the exchange plan a real honest effort, i have had

ð my blood sugars stay between 115-120 and my A1C

ð numbers have been 6.0 to 6.3.

ADA, it works for some, doesnt work for others...

for me it caused me to gain 35 - 40 lbs, and run bs in the 280 - 320

range....

my problem with the ADA is that pretends that its the only game in town, when

its really not.

[Guest guest]

Hello jmoverfield@...,

In reference to your comment:

ð I'm not usre what ADA has done for tatar19 BUT I can

ð say that for me it has gotten my blood sugars unde

ð control.  I was having trouble with keeping them at a

ð good number, but since Oct 2000 when I decided to

ð give the exchange plan a real honest effort, i have had

ð my blood sugars stay between 115-120 and my A1C

ð numbers have been 6.0 to 6.3.

ADA, it works for some, doesnt work for others...

for me it caused me to gain 35 - 40 lbs, and run bs in the 280 - 320

range....

my problem with the ADA is that pretends that its the only game in town, when

its really not.

[Guest guest]

I'm not usre what ADA has done for tatar19 BUT I can say that for me it has

gotten my blood sugars unde control. I was having trouble with keeping them

at a good number, but since Oct 2000 when I decided to give the exchange

plan a real honest effort, i have had my blood sugars stay between 115-120

and my A1C numbers have been 6.0 to 6.3.

Ladybug (aka Judith)

Re: ADA Idiots

> tatar19 wrote:

>

> << Instead of destroying their credibility over mistakes consider where we

> would be without them! >>

>

> Okay, I'm considering ... I can't think of anything good they've done for

> me. What has the ADA done for you?

>

> Susie

[Guest guest]

Ditto Sussie,

I am on the ADA diet also and I do stick to it.

I brought my HbA1c down from 11.5 to 5.1 and got

off of all meds within 10 1/2 months of being

diagnosed. I eat my higher carb meal prior to

doing my daily exercise. Though my daily carb

intake is what I would consider moderate (100-125).

My morning bg's now stay mainly in the 70's with

an occasional low 80. My after meal's I keep under

125 mainly with an occasional one (on a holiday or

special occasion) in the 130-140 range. But those

are rare so I don't feel guilty about them.

I have also gotten some very helpful information

out of their Diabetes Forecase magazine. They are an

organization just like any other and as far as I am

concerned, just like this list. I take and use from

it some but not all of what it has to offer. I just

sift out what I believe to be of value.

Kim

>

>My nutritionist put me on a typical ADA diet and if I stick to it I

>really do well. But that is my body and I am what they used to be called

>borderline. My first test was 6.7 and now im 6.2 or below. My average bs

>was 125 (bit high)......

>

>I do have to watch the kind of carbs. Rice is a killer for me. So I am

>very careful and so is sugar! They say a carb is a carb but not for my

>body.

>

>What I do is eat six meals a day and never more then two carbs at any

>meal.

>

>Sussie

>The double s sussie

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