Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 sy, Harry sent me the carb list and I am trying to get help to open it. a friend is coming over this afternoon. she is blind but very good at the computer. I am hoping to at least get the carb count and learn to go from there. yesterday I had lovely readings except for the first in the morning today not so go. one step at a time right? how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>> using >>>>> a >>>>> sugar manager! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that >>>>> small piece > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, >>>>> each day if I manage >>> >>>>> to >>>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >>>>> You >>>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >>>>> *cromium* >>>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a > day, >>>>> so >>>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments > to >>>>> keep >>>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >>>>> advise. >>>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and > >>>>> that >>>>> he >>>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >>>>> > >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 sy, Harry sent me the carb list and I am trying to get help to open it. a friend is coming over this afternoon. she is blind but very good at the computer. I am hoping to at least get the carb count and learn to go from there. yesterday I had lovely readings except for the first in the morning today not so go. one step at a time right? how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>> using >>>>> a >>>>> sugar manager! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that >>>>> small piece > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, >>>>> each day if I manage >>> >>>>> to >>>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >>>>> You >>>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >>>>> *cromium* >>>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a > day, >>>>> so >>>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments > to >>>>> keep >>>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >>>>> advise. >>>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and > >>>>> that >>>>> he >>>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >>>>> > >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 sy, Harry sent me the carb list and I am trying to get help to open it. a friend is coming over this afternoon. she is blind but very good at the computer. I am hoping to at least get the carb count and learn to go from there. yesterday I had lovely readings except for the first in the morning today not so go. one step at a time right? how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>> using >>>>> a >>>>> sugar manager! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that >>>>> small piece > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, >>>>> each day if I manage >>> >>>>> to >>>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >>>>> You >>>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >>>>> *cromium* >>>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a > day, >>>>> so >>>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments > to >>>>> keep >>>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >>>>> advise. >>>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and > >>>>> that >>>>> he >>>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >>>>> > >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 , If you are running h igh because of an emotional upset, you still need to get your BG down or you will run high all day. When I have something happen that upsets me and I know it is going to go away, I take half the amount of insulin I would take if the high was from food. Sometimes when you have a high because of emotions, your body needs the extra calories and partially uses some of the sugar to " fight " the upset, then can suddenely drop. But if the high is really high, you need some insulin to get it down. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! sy, if i only had a high for the last two mornings and i know the reason for the high would not be reason to do this check just yet would it? i had an emotional upset which i know will throw off things. i think i just need the dust to settle before i do any changes with the insulin dont you think? karen how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>> using >>>> a >>>> sugar manager! >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that small >>>> piece >>>> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I >>>> manage >> >>>> to >>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >>>> You >>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >>>> *cromium* >>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a day, >>>> so >>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments to >>>> keep >>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >>>> advise. >>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and >>>> that >>>> he >>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >>>> > >>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 , If you are running h igh because of an emotional upset, you still need to get your BG down or you will run high all day. When I have something happen that upsets me and I know it is going to go away, I take half the amount of insulin I would take if the high was from food. Sometimes when you have a high because of emotions, your body needs the extra calories and partially uses some of the sugar to " fight " the upset, then can suddenely drop. But if the high is really high, you need some insulin to get it down. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! sy, if i only had a high for the last two mornings and i know the reason for the high would not be reason to do this check just yet would it? i had an emotional upset which i know will throw off things. i think i just need the dust to settle before i do any changes with the insulin dont you think? karen how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>> using >>>> a >>>> sugar manager! >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that small >>>> piece >>>> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I >>>> manage >> >>>> to >>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >>>> You >>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >>>> *cromium* >>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a day, >>>> so >>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments to >>>> keep >>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >>>> advise. >>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and >>>> that >>>> he >>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >>>> > >>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 , If you are running h igh because of an emotional upset, you still need to get your BG down or you will run high all day. When I have something happen that upsets me and I know it is going to go away, I take half the amount of insulin I would take if the high was from food. Sometimes when you have a high because of emotions, your body needs the extra calories and partially uses some of the sugar to " fight " the upset, then can suddenely drop. But if the high is really high, you need some insulin to get it down. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! sy, if i only had a high for the last two mornings and i know the reason for the high would not be reason to do this check just yet would it? i had an emotional upset which i know will throw off things. i think i just need the dust to settle before i do any changes with the insulin dont you think? karen how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>> using >>>> a >>>> sugar manager! >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that small >>>> piece >>>> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I >>>> manage >> >>>> to >>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >>>> You >>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >>>> *cromium* >>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a day, >>>> so >>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments to >>>> keep >>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >>>> advise. >>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and >>>> that >>>> he >>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >>>> > >>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 You are right, but you still need to get it down-see first response. That is a terrible thing to have to go through. You have my sympathy, believe me. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! , last night my reading was five point something. this morning it was thirteen. in the mean time I got an email about a funeral of a friend. her husband found out in January he had cancer and he was to retire this June. well they buried him yesterday. I know what this is like as my husband of twenty five years died and the pain of losing a loved one. it just brought a lot of things to home for me. and the news I had been getting was from a friend who we meet go to a grievance class. so I wake this morning with a high sugar. I know my body and understand this will upset my sugar because I am human. it generally goes even higher under these circumstances. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 You are right, but you still need to get it down-see first response. That is a terrible thing to have to go through. You have my sympathy, believe me. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! , last night my reading was five point something. this morning it was thirteen. in the mean time I got an email about a funeral of a friend. her husband found out in January he had cancer and he was to retire this June. well they buried him yesterday. I know what this is like as my husband of twenty five years died and the pain of losing a loved one. it just brought a lot of things to home for me. and the news I had been getting was from a friend who we meet go to a grievance class. so I wake this morning with a high sugar. I know my body and understand this will upset my sugar because I am human. it generally goes even higher under these circumstances. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 You are right, but you still need to get it down-see first response. That is a terrible thing to have to go through. You have my sympathy, believe me. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! , last night my reading was five point something. this morning it was thirteen. in the mean time I got an email about a funeral of a friend. her husband found out in January he had cancer and he was to retire this June. well they buried him yesterday. I know what this is like as my husband of twenty five years died and the pain of losing a loved one. it just brought a lot of things to home for me. and the news I had been getting was from a friend who we meet go to a grievance class. so I wake this morning with a high sugar. I know my body and understand this will upset my sugar because I am human. it generally goes even higher under these circumstances. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 , remember exercise is the bset way to relieve stress. Victor H<- how much can I have of the sweet stuff > >>>> using > >>>> a > >>>> sugar manager! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that small > >>>> piece > >>>> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I > >>>> manage > >> > >>>> to > >>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? > >>>> You > >>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a > >>>> *cromium* > >>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a day, > >>>> so > >>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments to > >>>> keep > >>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any > >>>> advise. > >>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and > >>>> that > >>>> he > >>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! > >>>> > > >>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 , remember exercise is the bset way to relieve stress. Victor H<- how much can I have of the sweet stuff > >>>> using > >>>> a > >>>> sugar manager! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that small > >>>> piece > >>>> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I > >>>> manage > >> > >>>> to > >>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? > >>>> You > >>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a > >>>> *cromium* > >>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a day, > >>>> so > >>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments to > >>>> keep > >>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any > >>>> advise. > >>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and > >>>> that > >>>> he > >>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! > >>>> > > >>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 sy, yes I can see how it will take a while. you really have to know your foods. I went down the carb list yesterday and got some surprises just hearing the carb counts. forgot the reading last night my reading was so good. and I just forgot to do the three a m reading and had a real high this morning. so in the meantime I guess I will hop on the treadmill till I do the pre lunch reading. thanks for your help, how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>> using >>>>> a >>>>> sugar manager! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that >>>>> small piece > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, >>>>> each day if I manage >>> >>>>> to >>>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >>>>> You >>>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >>>>> *cromium* >>>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a > day, >>>>> so >>>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments > to >>>>> keep >>>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >>>>> advise. >>>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and > >>>>> that >>>>> he >>>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >>>>> > >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 sy, yes I can see how it will take a while. you really have to know your foods. I went down the carb list yesterday and got some surprises just hearing the carb counts. forgot the reading last night my reading was so good. and I just forgot to do the three a m reading and had a real high this morning. so in the meantime I guess I will hop on the treadmill till I do the pre lunch reading. thanks for your help, how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>> using >>>>> a >>>>> sugar manager! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that >>>>> small piece > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, >>>>> each day if I manage >>> >>>>> to >>>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >>>>> You >>>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >>>>> *cromium* >>>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a > day, >>>>> so >>>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments > to >>>>> keep >>>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >>>>> advise. >>>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and > >>>>> that >>>>> he >>>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >>>>> > >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 sy, i really try to keep a handle on things. i am really good at keeping things inside which is likely bad. i think i am cool on the outside but an emotional high gets to me inside. this happens over years i believe. likely from the work days when stress is part of the daily activities. what i am saying is i have no idea how i will react so taking extra insulin based on an unknown is more that i can comprehend? does this make sense? karen how much can I have of the sweet stuff >> >>>> using >> >>>> a >> >>>> sugar manager! >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that >> >>>> small >> >>>> piece >> >>>> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I >> >>>> manage >> >> >> >>>> to >> >>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >> >>>> You >> >>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >> >>>> *cromium* >> >>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a > day, >> >>>> so >> >>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments >> >>>> to >> >>>> keep >> >>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >> >>>> advise. >> >>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and >> >>>> that >> >>>> he >> >>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 sy, i really try to keep a handle on things. i am really good at keeping things inside which is likely bad. i think i am cool on the outside but an emotional high gets to me inside. this happens over years i believe. likely from the work days when stress is part of the daily activities. what i am saying is i have no idea how i will react so taking extra insulin based on an unknown is more that i can comprehend? does this make sense? karen how much can I have of the sweet stuff >> >>>> using >> >>>> a >> >>>> sugar manager! >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that >> >>>> small >> >>>> piece >> >>>> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I >> >>>> manage >> >> >> >>>> to >> >>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >> >>>> You >> >>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >> >>>> *cromium* >> >>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a > day, >> >>>> so >> >>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments >> >>>> to >> >>>> keep >> >>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >> >>>> advise. >> >>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and >> >>>> that >> >>>> he >> >>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 sy, i really try to keep a handle on things. i am really good at keeping things inside which is likely bad. i think i am cool on the outside but an emotional high gets to me inside. this happens over years i believe. likely from the work days when stress is part of the daily activities. what i am saying is i have no idea how i will react so taking extra insulin based on an unknown is more that i can comprehend? does this make sense? karen how much can I have of the sweet stuff >> >>>> using >> >>>> a >> >>>> sugar manager! >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that >> >>>> small >> >>>> piece >> >>>> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I >> >>>> manage >> >> >> >>>> to >> >>>> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? >> >>>> You >> >>>> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >> >>>> *cromium* >> >>>> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a > day, >> >>>> so >> >>>> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments >> >>>> to >> >>>> keep >> >>>> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >> >>>> advise. >> >>>> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and >> >>>> that >> >>>> he >> >>>> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 To figure out the ratio takes some trial and error and practice. the mathematical procedure is the same no matter what. Let us say that you will consume 20 grams of carbs. If you are using a 1:6 ratio, then you would use slightly more than 3 units of Humalog units. To get this ratio simply divide the total number of carbs consumed by the number of units of Humalog insulin used. In this case it would amount to 3 and one third, since 20 divided by 6 goes into it 3 times with a remainder of 2 or 2/6, which equals one third. If you are figuring a ratio of 1:4, then divide the 20 grams of carbs by 4 to get the number of 5 units of Humalog insulin required. If it is a 1:5 ratio then divide the number of carbs by 5 to get the number of 4 units of Humalog required. If it is a 1:7 ratio simply divide the 20 grams of carbs to get the number of 2 and 6/7 units required or slightly less than 3 units of Humalog required to handle the carbs consumed. For type 1 diabetics it is usually recommended to start by always consuming a set number of carbs at each meal. In fact this is the recommended procedure for any diabetic. To figure the ratio is easier to do, if one uses a set number of grams of carbs consumed at each meal. You will find that it will vary due to the dawn effect, in other words the time of day the measurement is taken and also will vary due to the kind and amount of exercise one does that day and the previous day. Infections and accidents or stress and even the weather can alter the ratio. For these reasons that is why it is important to get several measurements over a period of time and under varying conditions. In dosing Humalog it is recommended to stick with 15 grams of carbs consumed and use 1 unit of Humalog as a start, since for many type 1 diabetics, who have little or no insulin resistance, it usually takes around 1 unit of Humalog to handle 15 grams of carbs. This is a safe starting ratio 1:15. For type 2 diabetics, who usually have insulin resistance, more insulin is required or else a lower ratio is required. In my case I have a lot of insulin resistance due to being a chronic sugar addict for most of my life and chronic abuse or over use of sugar and high carb foods. For every 2 grams of carbs I consume it takes approximately 1 unit of Humalog or in my case a ratio of 1:2. In my case this means that if I consume 15 grams of carbs, I will require around 7 or 8 units of Humalog insulin to handle them. If I consume 20 grams of carbs, it requires around 10 units of Humalog. If I consume 45 grams of carbvs it requires around 22 or 23 units of Humalog to deal with them. In dosing Humalog and consuming carbs it is important to remember the higher the number is, the more drastic the mistake can be. It is also important to know that high insulin usage is not good for the body. Insulin can cause inflamation in the arteries and organs. However to master blood sugar levels it takes what ever it takes. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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