Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Research has shown that the most important reading for a diabetic is the two hour post prandial blood glucose reading, which should be 120 or less. In moles this is equivalent to a reading of 6.66. It sounds like a develish number, but a 6 would be just fine. After eating the peak glucose level is reached in the blood stream approximately one hour after eating. Those who keep their post prandial glucose readings around 6.66 moles or 120 or less USA will ultimately have an A1C reading of 5.5 or less, which for a diabetic almost insures that there will be no diabetic complications. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Research has shown that the most important reading for a diabetic is the two hour post prandial blood glucose reading, which should be 120 or less. In moles this is equivalent to a reading of 6.66. It sounds like a develish number, but a 6 would be just fine. After eating the peak glucose level is reached in the blood stream approximately one hour after eating. Those who keep their post prandial glucose readings around 6.66 moles or 120 or less USA will ultimately have an A1C reading of 5.5 or less, which for a diabetic almost insures that there will be no diabetic complications. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 A goal of 5 is exactly what I strive to attain, which is equivalent to a USA reading of 90. If the two hour post prandial reading is 6.6 or 120 or less, it is not going to get higher, since there is still 1-2 hours of Humalog in the system to deal with the remaining glucose in the body. If the two hour post prandial reading is 4 or less, then the diabetic is most likely facing a low glucose reaction within the next hour or two. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>> using a sugar manager! >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 You got it! <smile> Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 That is why I try to keep things simple and often repeat them. Instead of walking away I would recommend asking again and again and again, no matter how many times, until I understand. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Hi Harry; Are you saying that if one keeps their reading of about 6.6 steadily, will ultimately hit a reading of 5.5?...Or around 5.5? Will you clear this quiry up? Thanks again; Ken b Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 No! You have to remember that the 6.66 mole reading for the two hour post prandial reading is given with some one using Humalog to deal with the glucose in their system. After a two hour post prandial reading there is still an hour or two for the remaining Humalog to deal with the glucose in the blood stream. Re: how much can I have of the sweet > stuff > >>>>>> using a sugar manager! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient > is > >>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, my pre lunch b s was four point seven or times eighteen equals eighty four humalog for lunch four units humalog ate twenty two carbs vegetable stir fry five carbs and one sugar free wafer equals seventeen carbs total twenty two carbs ----- Original Mthanks, karen essage ----- To: <blind-diabetics > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! > > Research has shown that the most important reading for a diabetic is the > two hour post prandial blood glucose reading, which should be 120 or less. > In moles this is equivalent to a reading of 6.66. It sounds like a > develish number, but a 6 would be just fine. > After eating the peak glucose level is reached in the blood stream > approximately one hour after eating. Those who keep their post prandial > glucose readings around 6.66 moles or 120 or less USA will ultimately have > an A1C reading of 5.5 or less, which for a diabetic almost insures that > there will be no diabetic complications. > Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Harry, thank you so much for your patience. this is a lot of information and so very important that we get it right and not make mistakes. to avoid reactions and down the road complications. there seems to be such a fine line to walk. I would like to avoid the swings the lows and the highs. I never hear anyone talk about the emotional part of it. how it affects the blood sugars. without even realizing it. I try to keep things in check but stress can do more damage to the blood sugars than foods. why is that never mentioned? thanks, Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Now tell me what your two hour post prandial glucose reading was. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, my two hour b s after breakfast this morning was seven point three and my pre lunch b s was four point seven if i was six point six at the two hours i would have been in reaction this morning? i did go for a walk this morning and came home before lunch. karen Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 7.3 moles is equivalent to 131 in USA readings. 4.7 moles is equivalent to 85 in USA readings. These readings in addition to your walk demonstrates excellent blood glucose control. Exercise is very good for the diabetic, since it causes the muscles to burn glucose in the blood stream, there bby lowering the number of glucose in the blood. By recognizing that you were running a little high after a two hour post prandial test, you were wise to do some walking. To avoid a rebound effect it is better to have a higher than 120 or 6.6 mole glucose level before starting your exercise. Now I cannot say for sure that had you a 6.6 mole two hour post prandial reading that you would have had a low glucose reaction. It depends a lot on each individual's usage of glucose in the blood stream as they exercise, and on the kind and amount of exercise one does. It is a fine line, and only the individual can discover where it is by trial and error or by trying and failing. It would also depend on the individual's level of insulin resistance. Had you not exercised I doubt you would have had a low glucose reaction. Had you exercised too much, you could have encountered a low glucose reaction or even the rebound effect, which can also make you feel bad by converting a lot of fat into glucose and sky rocketing your blood stream glucose level. I have an insulin resistance level which requires approximately 1 unit of Humalog for every 2 grams of carbs I consume. Just guessing at your insulin resistance level, since it takes more than one measurement on several different times, I would guess that you require 1 unit of Humalog for every 5 or 5.5 grams of carbs you consume. Keep up the good stuff! Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Harry, I was late doing a two hour after lunch it was actually two and half hours and my bs was three point five times eighteen equals sixty three which is too low Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Harry, thanks for this information it is registering, I appreciate the help, thanks, Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Did you have a low glucose reaction? I agree that a 3.5 mole is too low. Did you take a glucose tablet? Remember that exercising can have a blood glucose lowering effect up to 48 hours or more. I would imagine you could have cured your low glucose reading with a single glucose tablet, which can give you measureable results an hour later. I would guess this would raise your 3.5 reading to a 4.7 level, but only monitoring or measuring it would tell the story for sure. If you use fruit juice or sugar soda pop or candy to raise your glucose level, it is not a controlled measure, and can cause your glucose level to sky rocket to unwanted levels. For a diabetic to master blood glucose control it is like walking on a high wire or tight rope, since the healthy range is narrow, 3.9-6.2 in moles and 70-120 in USA measurements. Just like walking a tight rope, it takes practice to master blood glucose control. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Did you have a low glucose reaction? I agree that a 3.5 mole is too low. Did you take a glucose tablet? Remember that exercising can have a blood glucose lowering effect up to 48 hours or more. I would imagine you could have cured your low glucose reading with a single glucose tablet, which can give you measureable results an hour later. I would guess this would raise your 3.5 reading to a 4.7 level, but only monitoring or measuring it would tell the story for sure. If you use fruit juice or sugar soda pop or candy to raise your glucose level, it is not a controlled measure, and can cause your glucose level to sky rocket to unwanted levels. For a diabetic to master blood glucose control it is like walking on a high wire or tight rope, since the healthy range is narrow, 3.9-6.2 in moles and 70-120 in USA measurements. Just like walking a tight rope, it takes practice to master blood glucose control. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Did you have a low glucose reaction? I agree that a 3.5 mole is too low. Did you take a glucose tablet? Remember that exercising can have a blood glucose lowering effect up to 48 hours or more. I would imagine you could have cured your low glucose reading with a single glucose tablet, which can give you measureable results an hour later. I would guess this would raise your 3.5 reading to a 4.7 level, but only monitoring or measuring it would tell the story for sure. If you use fruit juice or sugar soda pop or candy to raise your glucose level, it is not a controlled measure, and can cause your glucose level to sky rocket to unwanted levels. For a diabetic to master blood glucose control it is like walking on a high wire or tight rope, since the healthy range is narrow, 3.9-6.2 in moles and 70-120 in USA measurements. Just like walking a tight rope, it takes practice to master blood glucose control. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 I agree stress can affect your sugar level, but for now I prefer to stick to how carbohydrates affect one's sugar level. I prefer looking at carbs rather than stress simply because the carb thing is more predictable. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, yes, took one glucose tablet. i had went downstairs and was on the treadmill and realized i was low so i did the reading and took the tablet. thanks, karen Re: how much can I have of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> sweet >>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, yes, took one glucose tablet. i had went downstairs and was on the treadmill and realized i was low so i did the reading and took the tablet. thanks, karen Re: how much can I have of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> sweet >>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, this is fine with me but i do hope at some point we can talk about stress and how it effects our blood sugars and what to do about it? many thanks, karen Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the >>>>>>>>>>>> patient >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Since your two hour post prandial reading was3.5, which is low, and you consumed 22 carbs and used 4 units of Humalog, I would guess that your humalog to carb ratio is too low and needs to be raised some from 1:5 or 5.5 to something more like1:6. Of course the pre-meal exercise has a definite effect, butt how much I do not know at present. You can make a correction by either lowering the units of Humalog you use or by increasing the number of grams of carbs consumed say 4 units of Humalog to 24 grams of carbs consumed, which is a 1:6 ratio. Try it and see. Of course all kinds of things can cause the ratio to change for instance: exercise, accident, infection, weather,and stress, as well as hair style, just kidding <smile>. Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 , Humalog last 3-4 hours. The old Regular ® lasts 4-6. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! harry, very interesting. i believe the humalog last four to six hours in the system but i am not one hundred percent positive. i do take the hummalog at breakfast time seven a m noon, lunchtime and five p m supper time and if required bedtime depending on the reading. tonight my b s was four point eight so i did not require any humalog i took eleven units humalin n karen from canada Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>> using a sugar manager! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 , Humalog last 3-4 hours. The old Regular ® lasts 4-6. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! harry, very interesting. i believe the humalog last four to six hours in the system but i am not one hundred percent positive. i do take the hummalog at breakfast time seven a m noon, lunchtime and five p m supper time and if required bedtime depending on the reading. tonight my b s was four point eight so i did not require any humalog i took eleven units humalin n karen from canada Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>> using a sugar manager! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Ken, that is true, but look at the type of sweetner that is used in those candies. If they use sorbitol, you could have some not so pleasant side effects! Also, total caloric intake during the day means a lot too. Life ain't easy and part of that uneasiness is following a diet! Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! I know that I should watch my noutricionso will look into the splenda thing and I think I'll bake some cookies with splenda too but just as a treat. I found some russel stougher' and witman sugarless chocolates and find that they're quite satisfactory with a carb reading of 9 so that's not too bad. Ken b how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that small piece of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I manage to keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? You know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a *cromium* tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a day, so has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments to keep the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any advise. Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and that he is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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