Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 I know that I should watch my noutricionso will look into the splenda thing and I think I'll bake some cookies with splenda too but just as a treat. I found some russel stougher' and witman sugarless chocolates and find that they're quite satisfactory with a carb reading of 9 so that's not too bad. Ken b how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that small piece of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I manage to keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? You know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a *cromium* tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a day, so has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments to keep the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any advise. Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and that he is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 I know that I should watch my noutricionso will look into the splenda thing and I think I'll bake some cookies with splenda too but just as a treat. I found some russel stougher' and witman sugarless chocolates and find that they're quite satisfactory with a carb reading of 9 so that's not too bad. Ken b how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that small piece of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I manage to keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? You know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a *cromium* tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a day, so has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments to keep the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any advise. Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and that he is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, very interesting. i believe the humalog last four to six hours in the system but i am not one hundred percent positive. i do take the hummalog at breakfast time seven a m noon, lunchtime and five p m supper time and if required bedtime depending on the reading. tonight my b s was four point eight so i did not require any humalog i took eleven units humalin n karen from canada Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>> using a sugar manager! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, very interesting. i believe the humalog last four to six hours in the system but i am not one hundred percent positive. i do take the hummalog at breakfast time seven a m noon, lunchtime and five p m supper time and if required bedtime depending on the reading. tonight my b s was four point eight so i did not require any humalog i took eleven units humalin n karen from canada Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>> using a sugar manager! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Humalog stays in the system for 3-4 hours, then it is gone. How many units of Humalog did you use at breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? How many grams of carbs did you consume at breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? What was your blood glucose reading just before breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? What was your blood glucose reading two hours after breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? If you do not know the answers to these questions, I would suggest that you are just shooting insulin in the dark. If this is the case, you will never master blood glucose level control. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>> using a sugar manager! >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Humalog stays in the system for 3-4 hours, then it is gone. How many units of Humalog did you use at breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? How many grams of carbs did you consume at breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? What was your blood glucose reading just before breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? What was your blood glucose reading two hours after breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? If you do not know the answers to these questions, I would suggest that you are just shooting insulin in the dark. If this is the case, you will never master blood glucose level control. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>> using a sugar manager! >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Humalog stays in the system for 3-4 hours, then it is gone. How many units of Humalog did you use at breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? How many grams of carbs did you consume at breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? What was your blood glucose reading just before breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? What was your blood glucose reading two hours after breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? If you do not know the answers to these questions, I would suggest that you are just shooting insulin in the dark. If this is the case, you will never master blood glucose level control. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>> using a sugar manager! >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Ken, My friend no one ever said that getting used to a particular diet was fun or easy. Breaking old habits and learning to satisfy yourself without the " comfort " foods you are used to is a real witch. It ain't easy my friend. I have the dubious privilege of telling Crystal " count them carbs, count them carbs and " Oops, sorry, too many carbs in that item. " Sometimes this helpful information is not necessarily received in a loving manner but, oh well, that's life a I want Crystal to avoid the damage which is sure to come if she does not keep pretty much to the strait and narrow. Just hang in there my friend because there ain't no " Magic Silver Bullet " . The Lone Ranger has already passed this way and won't be back in time to lend a hand. It will also become self evident that there also is no Ministry of Fairness. Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! Well, Harry I believe you and realize that my blood readings is too high according to you who have had experiencee re eating sweets, and the like.I'm going to have to watch much more closely, my counts. I have put this info in storage and will read it when I have to to keep a clearer understandingof my situatiion. I appreciate your help; Ken b how much can I have of the sweet stuff using >> a >> sugar manager! >> >> >> > >> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that small >> piece >> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I manage >> to >> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? You >> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >> *cromium* >> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a day, >> so >> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments to >> keep >> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >> advise. >> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and that >> he >> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Ken, My friend no one ever said that getting used to a particular diet was fun or easy. Breaking old habits and learning to satisfy yourself without the " comfort " foods you are used to is a real witch. It ain't easy my friend. I have the dubious privilege of telling Crystal " count them carbs, count them carbs and " Oops, sorry, too many carbs in that item. " Sometimes this helpful information is not necessarily received in a loving manner but, oh well, that's life a I want Crystal to avoid the damage which is sure to come if she does not keep pretty much to the strait and narrow. Just hang in there my friend because there ain't no " Magic Silver Bullet " . The Lone Ranger has already passed this way and won't be back in time to lend a hand. It will also become self evident that there also is no Ministry of Fairness. Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff using a sugar manager! Well, Harry I believe you and realize that my blood readings is too high according to you who have had experiencee re eating sweets, and the like.I'm going to have to watch much more closely, my counts. I have put this info in storage and will read it when I have to to keep a clearer understandingof my situatiion. I appreciate your help; Ken b how much can I have of the sweet stuff using >> a >> sugar manager! >> >> >> > >> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that small >> piece >> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if I manage >> to >> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the like? You >> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying a >> *cromium* >> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one a day, >> so >> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food suppliments to >> keep >> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for any >> advise. >> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is and that >> he >> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, my nurse is coming this morning i will ask her how long the humalog last and get back to you. thanks, karen from canada Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>> using a sugar manager! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, my nurse is coming this morning i will ask her how long the humalog last and get back to you. thanks, karen from canada Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>> using a sugar manager! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, i will try to answer your questions as follows. pre breakfast b s seven point eight humalog five, this is my normal dose of four and one extra to cover the high intake twenty one carbs, this was the toast sixteen carbs with peanut butter and jam of five carbs i will do a two hour after breakfast and get back to you. do you want this information as it happens or in a daily summary? thanks, karen Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, if the humalog last three hours three to four hours my premeal dose is four and i try to take twenty carbs per meal my goal is five for a reading for blood sugar is this a good start? thanks, karen Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>> using a sugar manager! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, please explain to me the ideea behind the two hour reading after a meal. i understand it should be six. but what if it is not? what should be done and how? thanks, karen Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 As it happens would be a good way to learn exactly how many units of Humalog it takes to handle a specific number of grams of carbs. I will translate UK moles into USA standard readings. 7.8 moles is equivalent to a USA glucose reading of 140. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 As it happens would be a good way to learn exactly how many units of Humalog it takes to handle a specific number of grams of carbs. I will translate UK moles into USA standard readings. 7.8 moles is equivalent to a USA glucose reading of 140. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 As it happens would be a good way to learn exactly how many units of Humalog it takes to handle a specific number of grams of carbs. I will translate UK moles into USA standard readings. 7.8 moles is equivalent to a USA glucose reading of 140. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, you are far smarter than i. i understand you worked at the university and you really get technical and i respect that. but it is over my head. if i understand what i am doing i do better. it makes sense to me. but if it is too technical i get lost and walk away. just being honest and trying to understand, best, karen Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, o k i get it you are taking seven point eight times the eighteen to get your one hundred and forty. great, thanks, karen Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, o k i get it you are taking seven point eight times the eighteen to get your one hundred and forty. great, thanks, karen Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 harry, o k i get it you are taking seven point eight times the eighteen to get your one hundred and forty. great, thanks, karen Re: how much can I have of the sweet >>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Cy; Thanks for your kind words. Good humour too...grin; I'm assuming you too, Cy, are a diabetic...I think you are right...Yes, I'm counting those carbs and am starting to accept that I just can't eat those regularly eaten sweet foods anymore! Ken B how much can I have of the sweet > stuff using > >> a > >> sugar manager! > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that > small > >> piece > >> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if > I manage > >> to > >> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the > like? You > >> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying > a > >> *cromium* > >> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one > a day, > >> so > >> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food > suppliments to > >> keep > >> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for > any > >> advise. > >> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is > and that > >> he > >> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Cy; Thanks for your kind words. Good humour too...grin; I'm assuming you too, Cy, are a diabetic...I think you are right...Yes, I'm counting those carbs and am starting to accept that I just can't eat those regularly eaten sweet foods anymore! Ken B how much can I have of the sweet > stuff using > >> a > >> sugar manager! > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that > small > >> piece > >> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if > I manage > >> to > >> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the > like? You > >> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying > a > >> *cromium* > >> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one > a day, > >> so > >> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food > suppliments to > >> keep > >> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for > any > >> advise. > >> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is > and that > >> he > >> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Cy; Thanks for your kind words. Good humour too...grin; I'm assuming you too, Cy, are a diabetic...I think you are right...Yes, I'm counting those carbs and am starting to accept that I just can't eat those regularly eaten sweet foods anymore! Ken B how much can I have of the sweet > stuff using > >> a > >> sugar manager! > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I am wondering, as the subject indicates, if I can have that > small > >> piece > >> > of pie or say a couple of sweet cookies, or such, each day if > I manage > >> to > >> > keep my sugars down by taking say, some Metformen, or the > like? You > >> > know, enough to keep down the suger levels. BTW, I am trying > a > >> *cromium* > >> > tablet that states on the bottle, that I should only take one > a day, > >> so > >> > has anyone on list tried some of these natural food > suppliments to > >> keep > >> > the dreded sugar down? I'm a type two diabetic. Thanks for > any > >> advise. > >> > Ken b in toronto hoever comes to god must believe that he is > and that > >> he > >> > is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek him! > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Research has shown that the most important reading for a diabetic is the two hour post prandial blood glucose reading, which should be 120 or less. In moles this is equivalent to a reading of 6.66. It sounds like a develish number, but a 6 would be just fine. After eating the peak glucose level is reached in the blood stream approximately one hour after eating. Those who keep their post prandial glucose readings around 6.66 moles or 120 or less USA will ultimately have an A1C reading of 5.5 or less, which for a diabetic almost insures that there will be no diabetic complications. Re: how much can I have of the sweet stuff >>>>>> using a sugar manager! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> harry, why are our doctors so misinformed? no wonder the patient is >>>>>>> confused. thanks, karen from canada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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