Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 Hi everyone, I beleive Father is being confused with Father Ritter of Covenent House, a Roman Catholic run system of homeless shelters based in NYC. The last I heard, they were thring to send him to India to work with children. Fortunately, India declined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 I remember one vid we had that started with several dervishes rotating slowly while murmuring something to themselves. After abt 3 mins someone called out: " What the fuck has this got to do with heroin? " Pete butterbean-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9703 > OH GAWD! Those " Father " videos are the MOST boring of ALL TIME! > Second place winner of 12-step-boredom videos are with some dude affiliated > with Hazelton....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Re: Tale of 12 step woe > > > > The trouble with doing all that stuff (movies, lectures, etc.) on an > outpatient basis is that people realize very quickly that they are paying > $95-$150 an hour for something they could rent (if they wanted) for $5. > Also they get very bored. I think that kind of treatment has people begging > to be allowed to go to AA meetings instead. > > --- > > Kayleigh > > > > Zz > > zZ > > |\ z _,,,---,,_ > > /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_ > > |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' > > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > >>Thanks Apple. I've become more and more convinced that repeat trips to > > >>rehab are counterproductive. Everyday I go to work I walk by a Alcohol > & > > >>Drug treatment center. I'll see a group of patients outside smoking > while > > >>laughing nervously and avoiding eye contact. Occasionally I've had the > > >>desire to walk up and ask them, " is this working? Or is it a complete > > >waste > > >>of time? " I wonder what they'd say. > > > > > >Heck, even I can answer that one for you. They'd say something like: > > > Thanks to this Wonderful Program, my Counselor Joe H., the Steps, and > my > > >Higher Power (who I discovered last week), I have a real sense of hope > for > > >the first time. I don't know if it's 'working', but I do know that I am > > >being given all the tools I need to make it work when I leave here. The > rest > > >is up to me, and if it doesn't work that only means that I didn't Truly > > >Surrender and Work the Program. > > > > > >And why would any adult with an IQ over 63 babble such mush in public? > Well, > > >the reason is that when he went in the front door, probably under duress > or > > >drunk or both, the Staff did their best to get him to sign a form > permitting > > >them to freely contact as many outside parties (family, employer, > > >professional association, union, parole officer, lawyer...) as possible, > and > > >then when he came out of the haze he quickly learned that if he didn't > spout > > >the obeisances, his Compliance Failure would be reflected in Progress > > >Reports to all and sundry, and furthermore he would surely Drink and Die > in > > >complete disgrace and hideous physical agony. > > > > > >And after 30 days of saying things like this in sessions, formal and > > >informal, with your Peers (all of which, should it not toe the line, > comes > > >up in Group the next day) you go out almost believing it for a couple of > > >days. > > > > > >Ah, the memories... I will never forget sitting in a circle with my Peers > > >one sunny Saturday morning in Spofford Hall when, after the usual moment > of > > >profoundly silent meditation, the StepGoblin, in his sepulchral voice, > > >chanted the words that opened the Group: " Who Isn't Changing? " Fear > clutched > > >every heart, as each of us scrambled to figure out exactly who it was > that > > >Wasn't Changing, and why it Wasn't Me, before it became our turn to > Share. > > >Many Changes were Shared, and they were all profound, especially > considering > > >that they had happened within the past month. Turned out it was X. > who > > >Wasn't Changing. His sin was basic: he wouldn't emote properly when he > > >admitted that he had the Disease of Alcoholism. He had even said once, in > a > > >careless moment, that he thought he just drank too much because of some > > >problems he had. The consequence? " is a Dead Man. " We gulped. Some > of > > >us tried to help out , pointing to instances in which he had made > some > > >effort to work the First Step. Each potential ally was skillfully shot > down > > >by the StepGoblin, until the entire circle was in agreement that > Wasn't > > >Changing and hence was a Dead Man. Including . > > > > > >Questions for meditation: > > > (1) Who, at least before the Dead Man Group, had been the sanest > person > > >in the circle? > > > (2) What coping skills were we learning here, to help us get on with > our > > >lives after Treatment? > > > (3) Does this sound like good therapy for depression? > > > > > >>In my opinion rehab is an exercise in > > >>helplessness. > > > > > >Bingo. Also an exercise in charging hospital rates for presenting movies, > > >lectures, and rap sessions to a bunch of unfortunates who are in various > > >kinds of deep doo-doo, and who will probably not succeed in exposing the > > >scam before the next quarterly earnings report comes out. > > > > > >> For 30 days you have others telling you how to live your life. You > > >>aren't allowed to think for yourself. Then you are released to the > outside > > >>world. Has anything changed? Have you learned any new coping skills. > I > > >>doubt it seriously. > > > > > >Me too ;-) I went through a couple of Grade A 30-day StepPrograms way > back > > >when. I can remember times when people graduated with All the (Simple > > >Spiritual) Tools to Stay Sober One-day-at-a-time-forever, and phoned > their > > >friends back in Treatment the very same day, drunk and in tearful > anguish, > > >explaining that not only did they forget to Work the Program, but It's > > >Different Out There! And it was a tradition that on the way out, > everybody > > >put their names and phone numbers ( " Get Phone Numbers! " ) in each other's > Big > > >Books, which meant that on top of all the other benefits of your $x000 > > >learning experience, you were entitled to a series of phone calls from > drunk > > >people over a period of 3 months. Then there's always Aftercare, where > you > > >go for 2 hours a week for a while to find out who, if anybody, hasn't > > >Slipped yet. > > > > > >You're right, it's 30 days in Fairyland. Would it not make sense, if you > are > > >going to cure people by providing them with movies, lectures, and rap > > >sessions, to at least do it on an outpatient basis for 1/20 of the cost, > and > > >let them go about their lives in their own communities so they try out > their > > >new coping skills as they learn them? Yes it would. It's even been done. > One > > >drawback is that it's harder to brainwash people if you don't isolate > them. > > > > > >> I strongly believe that medication can really help an addict. As > > >long > > >>as the addict abstains. At least in the short term, psychiatric drugs > can > > >>help a person recognize patterns and see the big picture. I think a lot > of > > >>addicts have such a hard time stopping because they have " trained there > > >>brains " to use alcohol and drugs. Their brain chemistry has changed. > And > > >>the 12 steps cannot change a person's brain chemistry. > > > > > >Could be. And if you try to just deal with the " addiction " and ignore > real > > >problems (some of which can be helped by psychiatric drugs), then the > > >addictive drug, and perhaps the addict life-style, may seem more like a > > >solution than a problem. > > > > > >> Medication can help break through all that. Very quickly. I think > > >>most addicts should go on it, at least for a while, until they can get a > > >>hold of themselves. > > > > > >Don't know about " most " , but certainly some. I did for a year, and I > believe > > >it helped. > > > > > >-- wally > > > > > >> I know for me, my life has never been the same since I started to > > >>taking antidepressants. I have a lot more self control now. And I > don't > > >>deliberately try to defeat myself like I did before. I don't have this > > >dark > > >>desire to derail myself as much as before. And my life isn't constant > > >>chaos. > > >> The good thing is, even when I stop taking the meds I am still > > >>different than before. It does become harder to control my self > > >destructive > > >>impulses. But I still can do it. > > >>Matt > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > >Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > > >http://clickhere./click/1702 > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! > > >-- /vote?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 Really ! The poor man was just powerless over his genetic disease of sex addiction! Surely you must have known that! " wendy rose " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9706 > Apple, I am pretty sure he was coaching a boy's hockey team and got > *ahem* " involved " . I remember " murmurings " about it. > > If I have my facts straight, he is from Michigan and was defrocked. > > I can't confirm this, but maybe someone else can help out with this > story. > > > > " apple " wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9705 > > Is this for real? > > apple > > > > " wendy rose " wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9 704 > > > Father ? Oh Man, does that ring a bell!! > > > > > > Seems he dropped out of sight in the late 80s after becoming > involved > > > in a scandal involving young boys... > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 Really ! The poor man was just powerless over his genetic disease of sex addiction! Surely you must have known that! " wendy rose " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9706 > Apple, I am pretty sure he was coaching a boy's hockey team and got > *ahem* " involved " . I remember " murmurings " about it. > > If I have my facts straight, he is from Michigan and was defrocked. > > I can't confirm this, but maybe someone else can help out with this > story. > > > > " apple " wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9705 > > Is this for real? > > apple > > > > " wendy rose " wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9 704 > > > Father ? Oh Man, does that ring a bell!! > > > > > > Seems he dropped out of sight in the late 80s after becoming > involved > > > in a scandal involving young boys... > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 I just looked at that " Father " website and all of the 'God talk' sure sounds religious and x-tian to me. These people don't make a 'tree' or a 'stone' their higher power. They are just another damn x-tian 12-steps to damnation deal, I think. ~Trixxi Re: Tale of 12 step woe > > Really ! > > The poor man was just powerless over his genetic disease of sex > addiction! > > Surely you must have known that! > > > " wendy rose " wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9706 > > Apple, I am pretty sure he was coaching a boy's hockey team and got > > *ahem* " involved " . I remember " murmurings " about it. > > > > If I have my facts straight, he is from Michigan and was defrocked. > > > > I can't confirm this, but maybe someone else can help out with this > > story. > > > > > > > > " apple " wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9705 > > > Is this for real? > > > apple > > > > > > " wendy rose " wrote: > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9 > 704 > > > > Father ? Oh Man, does that ring a bell!! > > > > > > > > Seems he dropped out of sight in the late 80s after becoming > > involved > > > > in a scandal involving young boys... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FREE Post-it® Notes! Get 10 4 " x3 " note pads (with > your own personal message and graphics) FREE at > iPrint.com. Pay just $3.20 for shipping to U.S. addresses. > http://clickhere./click/1801 > > > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- /docvault/12-step-free/?m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 I just looked at that " Father " website and all of the 'God talk' sure sounds religious and x-tian to me. These people don't make a 'tree' or a 'stone' their higher power. They are just another damn x-tian 12-steps to damnation deal, I think. ~Trixxi Re: Tale of 12 step woe > > Really ! > > The poor man was just powerless over his genetic disease of sex > addiction! > > Surely you must have known that! > > > " wendy rose " wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9706 > > Apple, I am pretty sure he was coaching a boy's hockey team and got > > *ahem* " involved " . I remember " murmurings " about it. > > > > If I have my facts straight, he is from Michigan and was defrocked. > > > > I can't confirm this, but maybe someone else can help out with this > > story. > > > > > > > > " apple " wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9705 > > > Is this for real? > > > apple > > > > > > " wendy rose " wrote: > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9 > 704 > > > > Father ? Oh Man, does that ring a bell!! > > > > > > > > Seems he dropped out of sight in the late 80s after becoming > > involved > > > > in a scandal involving young boys... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FREE Post-it® Notes! Get 10 4 " x3 " note pads (with > your own personal message and graphics) FREE at > iPrint.com. Pay just $3.20 for shipping to U.S. addresses. > http://clickhere./click/1801 > > > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- /docvault/12-step-free/?m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 Yes, it's a safe place. " Everybody, back to your corners. DOWN. " Apple " suzy " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9716 > I am kind of new here and am a little taken back by this exchange. If > I ask if a rumour is true about some 12 step wonder am I going to get > blasted? I thought this was a safe place for those of us who feel > betrayed and hurt by AA. This exchange makes me feel uncomfortable, > just like all of us I have had enough abuse, I don't need to go looking > for more. So is this a safe friendly place or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 Yes, it's a safe place. " Everybody, back to your corners. DOWN. " Apple " suzy " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9716 > I am kind of new here and am a little taken back by this exchange. If > I ask if a rumour is true about some 12 step wonder am I going to get > blasted? I thought this was a safe place for those of us who feel > betrayed and hurt by AA. This exchange makes me feel uncomfortable, > just like all of us I have had enough abuse, I don't need to go looking > for more. So is this a safe friendly place or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 I've always rather liked that word " defrocked " , but I think they should try it on some of the good women in Al-Anon... Those floral dresses are a bit much when you've seen eight or nine of them one after another. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 I've always rather liked that word " defrocked " , but I think they should try it on some of the good women in Al-Anon... Those floral dresses are a bit much when you've seen eight or nine of them one after another. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 -----Original Message----- > And many AA members have sober poker parties where they can lose up to >$50 a night. And lots of AA men go to strip clubs and blow countless >dollars on " lap dances. " Is there something wrong with poker or strip clubs? --wally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 -----Original Message----- > And many AA members have sober poker parties where they can lose up to >$50 a night. And lots of AA men go to strip clubs and blow countless >dollars on " lap dances. " Is there something wrong with poker or strip clubs? --wally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 I doubt that Father has suffered any harm as a result of these posts, hence they are unlikely to be actionable. You've made your point -- and now please cool it. --- Kayleigh Zz zZ |\ z _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) > Your posts speak for themselves. You made totally >unsubstantiated,unproven,allegations and innuendos. Your posts are reckless >and quite possibly actionable for defamation and slander. > Artie > >In a message dated 11/23/99 6:59:47 AM Central Standard Time, >wrose2@... writes: > >> >> And why don't you read my posts more carefully before YOU make >> accusations? >> >> uncarti-@... wrote: >> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9708 >> > In a message dated 11/23/99 6:28:56 AM Central Standard Time, >> > wrose2@... writes: >> > >> > > >> > > Apple, I am pretty sure he was coaching a boy's hockey team and got >> > > *ahem* " involved " . I remember " murmurings " about it. >> > > >> > > If I have my facts straight, he is from Michigan and was defrocked. >> > > >> > > I can't confirm this, but maybe someone else can help out with this >> > > story. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > You have this all wrong. See http://fathermartinsashley >> .com/ >> > >> > You really need to check your facts before villifying someone! >> > Artie >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Looking for the latest consumer electronic gadgets or computer >equipment? eBay has thousands of audio equipment, computer >games & accessories. You never know what you might find at eBay! >http://clickhere./click/1142 > >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! >-- /vote?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 I doubt that Father has suffered any harm as a result of these posts, hence they are unlikely to be actionable. You've made your point -- and now please cool it. --- Kayleigh Zz zZ |\ z _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) > Your posts speak for themselves. You made totally >unsubstantiated,unproven,allegations and innuendos. Your posts are reckless >and quite possibly actionable for defamation and slander. > Artie > >In a message dated 11/23/99 6:59:47 AM Central Standard Time, >wrose2@... writes: > >> >> And why don't you read my posts more carefully before YOU make >> accusations? >> >> uncarti-@... wrote: >> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9708 >> > In a message dated 11/23/99 6:28:56 AM Central Standard Time, >> > wrose2@... writes: >> > >> > > >> > > Apple, I am pretty sure he was coaching a boy's hockey team and got >> > > *ahem* " involved " . I remember " murmurings " about it. >> > > >> > > If I have my facts straight, he is from Michigan and was defrocked. >> > > >> > > I can't confirm this, but maybe someone else can help out with this >> > > story. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > You have this all wrong. See http://fathermartinsashley >> .com/ >> > >> > You really need to check your facts before villifying someone! >> > Artie >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Looking for the latest consumer electronic gadgets or computer >equipment? eBay has thousands of audio equipment, computer >games & accessories. You never know what you might find at eBay! >http://clickhere./click/1142 > >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! >-- /vote?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 I guess that all depends (on the poker part). A few years ago I went casino crazy and lost at least $10,000 in one year playing blackjack. As far as " lapdances " , I don't see anything wrong with that. ~Trixxi Re: Tale of 12 step woe > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > And many AA members have sober poker parties where they can lose up to > >$50 a night. And lots of AA men go to strip clubs and blow countless > >dollars on " lap dances. " > > Is there something wrong with poker or strip clubs? > > --wally > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! > -- /cal?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 I guess that all depends (on the poker part). A few years ago I went casino crazy and lost at least $10,000 in one year playing blackjack. As far as " lapdances " , I don't see anything wrong with that. ~Trixxi Re: Tale of 12 step woe > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > And many AA members have sober poker parties where they can lose up to > >$50 a night. And lots of AA men go to strip clubs and blow countless > >dollars on " lap dances. " > > Is there something wrong with poker or strip clubs? > > --wally > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! > -- /cal?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 Well, he's got his own web page and a certified 12-step preachy " God " based treatment center, so it looks like he's doing pretty good. Oh yeah-he writes books now too. ~Trixxi Re: Tale of 12 step woe > I doubt that Father has suffered any harm as a result of these posts, hence they are unlikely to be actionable. You've made your point -- and now please cool it. > --- > Kayleigh > > Zz > zZ > |\ z _,,,---,,_ > /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_ > |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) > > > > > > Your posts speak for themselves. You made totally > >unsubstantiated,unproven,allegations and innuendos. Your posts are reckless > >and quite possibly actionable for defamation and slander. > > Artie > > > >In a message dated 11/23/99 6:59:47 AM Central Standard Time, > >wrose2@... writes: > > > >> > >> And why don't you read my posts more carefully before YOU make > >> accusations? > >> > >> uncarti-@... wrote: > >> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9708 > >> > In a message dated 11/23/99 6:28:56 AM Central Standard Time, > >> > wrose2@... writes: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Apple, I am pretty sure he was coaching a boy's hockey team and got > >> > > *ahem* " involved " . I remember " murmurings " about it. > >> > > > >> > > If I have my facts straight, he is from Michigan and was defrocked. > >> > > > >> > > I can't confirm this, but maybe someone else can help out with this > >> > > story. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > You have this all wrong. See http://fathermartinsashley > >> .com/ > >> > > >> > You really need to check your facts before villifying someone! > >> > Artie > >> > >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Looking for the latest consumer electronic gadgets or computer > >equipment? eBay has thousands of audio equipment, computer > >games & accessories. You never know what you might find at eBay! > >http://clickhere./click/1142 > > > >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! > >-- /vote?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > > > > > > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- /docvault/12-step-free/?m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 Well, he's got his own web page and a certified 12-step preachy " God " based treatment center, so it looks like he's doing pretty good. Oh yeah-he writes books now too. ~Trixxi Re: Tale of 12 step woe > I doubt that Father has suffered any harm as a result of these posts, hence they are unlikely to be actionable. You've made your point -- and now please cool it. > --- > Kayleigh > > Zz > zZ > |\ z _,,,---,,_ > /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_ > |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) > > > > > > Your posts speak for themselves. You made totally > >unsubstantiated,unproven,allegations and innuendos. Your posts are reckless > >and quite possibly actionable for defamation and slander. > > Artie > > > >In a message dated 11/23/99 6:59:47 AM Central Standard Time, > >wrose2@... writes: > > > >> > >> And why don't you read my posts more carefully before YOU make > >> accusations? > >> > >> uncarti-@... wrote: > >> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9708 > >> > In a message dated 11/23/99 6:28:56 AM Central Standard Time, > >> > wrose2@... writes: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Apple, I am pretty sure he was coaching a boy's hockey team and got > >> > > *ahem* " involved " . I remember " murmurings " about it. > >> > > > >> > > If I have my facts straight, he is from Michigan and was defrocked. > >> > > > >> > > I can't confirm this, but maybe someone else can help out with this > >> > > story. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > You have this all wrong. See http://fathermartinsashley > >> .com/ > >> > > >> > You really need to check your facts before villifying someone! > >> > Artie > >> > >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Looking for the latest consumer electronic gadgets or computer > >equipment? eBay has thousands of audio equipment, computer > >games & accessories. You never know what you might find at eBay! > >http://clickhere./click/1142 > > > >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! > >-- /vote?listname=12-step-free & m=1 > > > > > > > > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- /docvault/12-step-free/?m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 1999 Report Share Posted November 24, 1999 Hi , Thanks for helping to point this out. While I may not agree with Father 's 12-step philosophy, I have found him to be a very nice man who has helped a lot of people. He doesn't deserve to be the target of false accusations and rumors by folks that obviously don't have a clue. In a message dated 11/23/99 11:20:53 PM Central Standard Time, UUSEAN@... writes: > Hi everyone, > I beleive Father is being confused with Father Ritter of Covenent > > House, a Roman Catholic run system of homeless shelters based in NYC. The > last I heard, they were thring to send him to India to work with children. > Fortunately, India declined. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 1999 Report Share Posted November 24, 1999 Hi , Thanks for helping to point this out. While I may not agree with Father 's 12-step philosophy, I have found him to be a very nice man who has helped a lot of people. He doesn't deserve to be the target of false accusations and rumors by folks that obviously don't have a clue. In a message dated 11/23/99 11:20:53 PM Central Standard Time, UUSEAN@... writes: > Hi everyone, > I beleive Father is being confused with Father Ritter of Covenent > > House, a Roman Catholic run system of homeless shelters based in NYC. The > last I heard, they were thring to send him to India to work with children. > Fortunately, India declined. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 1999 Report Share Posted November 24, 1999 In a message dated 11/23/99 7:37:08 PM Central Standard Time, awatt04@... writes: << I remember one vid we had that started with several dervishes rotating slowly while murmuring something to themselves. After abt 3 mins someone called out: " What the fuck has this got to do with heroin? " >> ROFL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 1999 Report Share Posted November 24, 1999 In a message dated 11/23/99 7:46:53 PM Central Standard Time, butterbeana@... writes: << Father ? Oh Man, does that ring a bell!! > > > > > > > > Seems he dropped out of sight in the late 80s after becoming > > involved > > > > in a scandal involving young boys... > > > > >> Why did this cause such a ruckus? " Seems " he dropped out of sight after " becoming involved... " doesn't even make a definite statement, just implies possibility; hardly lawsuit material. I've seen far pricklier, meatier statements about public figures on cartoons on Fox network. This isn't communist China, and Father thankfully is no emperor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 1999 Report Share Posted November 24, 1999 In a message dated 11/23/99 7:46:53 PM Central Standard Time, butterbeana@... writes: << Father ? Oh Man, does that ring a bell!! > > > > > > > > Seems he dropped out of sight in the late 80s after becoming > > involved > > > > in a scandal involving young boys... > > > > >> Why did this cause such a ruckus? " Seems " he dropped out of sight after " becoming involved... " doesn't even make a definite statement, just implies possibility; hardly lawsuit material. I've seen far pricklier, meatier statements about public figures on cartoons on Fox network. This isn't communist China, and Father thankfully is no emperor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 1999 Report Share Posted November 24, 1999 Oh Pete, I'm sorry. It slipped my mind temporarily! ....here...let me slip that old Al-Anon tape back in.... ahhhh.....okay.... Oh, the ignorance...aahhhh..the blisss.....the Opiate of the People... " cool briton " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9733 > > Really ! > > The poor man was just powerless over his genetic disease of sex > addiction! > > Surely you must have known that! > > > " wendy rose " wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9706 > > Apple, I am pretty sure he was coaching a boy's hockey team and got > > *ahem* " involved " . I remember " murmurings " about it. > > > > If I have my facts straight, he is from Michigan and was defrocked. > > > > I can't confirm this, but maybe someone else can help out with this > > story. > > > > > > > > " apple " wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9 705 > > > Is this for real? > > > apple > > > > > > " wendy rose " wrote: > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start =9 > 704 > > > > Father ? Oh Man, does that ring a bell!! > > > > > > > > Seems he dropped out of sight in the late 80s after becoming > > involved > > > > in a scandal involving young boys... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 1999 Report Share Posted November 24, 1999 The Catholic church is very powerful and takes care of its' own. KnowhutImean? butterbean-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9734 > I just looked at that " Father " website and all of the 'God talk' sure > sounds religious and x-tian to me. These people don't make a 'tree' or a > 'stone' their higher power. They are just another damn x-tian 12-steps to > damnation deal, I think. > ~Trixxi > Re: Tale of 12 step woe > > > > > > Really ! > > > > The poor man was just powerless over his genetic disease of sex > > addiction! > > > > Surely you must have known that! > > > > > > " wendy rose " wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9 706 > > > Apple, I am pretty sure he was coaching a boy's hockey team and got > > > *ahem* " involved " . I remember " murmurings " about it. > > > > > > If I have my facts straight, he is from Michigan and was defrocked. > > > > > > I can't confirm this, but maybe someone else can help out with this > > > story. > > > > > > > > > > > > " apple " wrote: > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start =9705 > > > > Is this for real? > > > > apple > > > > > > > > " wendy rose " wrote: > > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?sta rt=9 > > 704 > > > > > Father ? Oh Man, does that ring a bell!! > > > > > > > > > > Seems he dropped out of sight in the late 80s after becoming > > > involved > > > > > in a scandal involving young boys... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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