Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

[Guest guest]

Well, if the cursed doctors would keep his blood sugars down, he might heal

up!

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

Dean

Hi everyone,

I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten any of

the groups Wayne is on.

Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of tissue

which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he would

have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not healing.

He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it will

take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray for

him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad to

be back in touch with everyone.

If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you please

let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to all

of you for your prayers and caring.

In His love and service,

, the King's Child

[Guest guest]

Well, if the cursed doctors would keep his blood sugars down, he might heal

up!

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

Dean

Hi everyone,

I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten any of

the groups Wayne is on.

Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of tissue

which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he would

have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not healing.

He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it will

take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray for

him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad to

be back in touch with everyone.

If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you please

let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to all

of you for your prayers and caring.

In His love and service,

, the King's Child

[Guest guest]

Well, if the cursed doctors would keep his blood sugars down, he might heal

up!

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

Dean

Hi everyone,

I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten any of

the groups Wayne is on.

Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of tissue

which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he would

have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not healing.

He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it will

take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray for

him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad to

be back in touch with everyone.

If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you please

let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to all

of you for your prayers and caring.

In His love and service,

, the King's Child

[Guest guest]

That is right Pat, and it would also improve his situation if he had IV

ascorbic acid infusion of around 100-120 grams per day. However this is a

medical decission and I am sure most of the physicians would frown on the

treatment of an infection, viral and bacterial, with vitamin C, which has a

proven record of curing such infections. Vitamin C along with antibiotics

even makes the antibiotics more effective.

At this point I would think this would be a no brainer. There is nothing to

lose. There is no physician who can claim that vitamin C has caused any

harm to any individual, much less death or disability. Of course this is

Wayne's choice, and he has never listened to me.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>

>

>

> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>

> Dean

>

> Hi everyone,

> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten any

> of

> the groups Wayne is on.

>

> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of tissue

> which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

> would

> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not healing.

> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

> will

> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray for

> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

> to

> be back in touch with everyone.

>

> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you please

> let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

> all

> of you for your prayers and caring.

>

> In His love and service,

> , the King's Child

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Harry, I just wonder how good his docs are anyway. I also think Wayne

waited too long to do what he needed to do to keep his diabetes under

control. this may have been due to lack of education, which I find

appalling in this world today. We started our new diabetic education class

at the Braille Institue in L.A. today and there are 3 new people in it-2 of

whom do not know what carbs even are!

Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

That is right Pat, and it would also improve his situation if he had IV

ascorbic acid infusion of around 100-120 grams per day. However this is a

medical decission and I am sure most of the physicians would frown on the

treatment of an infection, viral and bacterial, with vitamin C, which has a

proven record of curing such infections. Vitamin C along with antibiotics

even makes the antibiotics more effective.

At this point I would think this would be a no brainer. There is nothing to

lose. There is no physician who can claim that vitamin C has caused any

harm to any individual, much less death or disability. Of course this is

Wayne's choice, and he has never listened to me.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>

>

>

> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>

> Dean

>

> Hi everyone,

> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten any

> of

> the groups Wayne is on.

>

> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of tissue

> which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

> would

> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not healing.

> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

> will

> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray for

> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

> to

> be back in touch with everyone.

>

> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you please

> let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

> all

> of you for your prayers and caring.

>

> In His love and service,

> , the King's Child

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is hard to believe the stupidity of doctors not educating diabetics on

the basic functioning of insulin and sugar. I do not blame the diabetics

who don't know what carbs are, but I do blame the incompetence of the

medical profession, who should know better, espefcially by this time.

If they have diabetic complications now, I would today recommend you refer

them, the diabetic patient, to a competent attorney, who can file a suit for

medical malpractice.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>>

>>

>>

>> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>>

>> Dean

>>

>> Hi everyone,

>> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten any

>> of

>> the groups Wayne is on.

>>

>> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of tissue

>> which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

>> would

>> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

>> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not healing.

>> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

>> will

>> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

>> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

>> for

>> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

>> to

>> be back in touch with everyone.

>>

>> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

>> please

>> let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

>> all

>> of you for your prayers and caring.

>>

>> In His love and service,

>> , the King's Child

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Oh Harry, If people would do what is suggested, it would be wonderful. but,

most of them-in fact about 99.9 percent of them, will not go to an attorney

for such negligence. We have gotten some of them to change doctors, but

that is the best you can do.

Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

It is hard to believe the stupidity of doctors not educating diabetics on

the basic functioning of insulin and sugar. I do not blame the diabetics

who don't know what carbs are, but I do blame the incompetence of the

medical profession, who should know better, espefcially by this time.

If they have diabetic complications now, I would today recommend you refer

them, the diabetic patient, to a competent attorney, who can file a suit for

medical malpractice.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>>

>>

>>

>> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>>

>> Dean

>>

>> Hi everyone,

>> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten any

>> of

>> the groups Wayne is on.

>>

>> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of tissue

>> which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

>> would

>> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

>> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not healing.

>> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

>> will

>> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

>> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

>> for

>> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

>> to

>> be back in touch with everyone.

>>

>> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

>> please

>> let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

>> all

>> of you for your prayers and caring.

>>

>> In His love and service,

>> , the King's Child

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Oh Harry, If people would do what is suggested, it would be wonderful. but,

most of them-in fact about 99.9 percent of them, will not go to an attorney

for such negligence. We have gotten some of them to change doctors, but

that is the best you can do.

Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

It is hard to believe the stupidity of doctors not educating diabetics on

the basic functioning of insulin and sugar. I do not blame the diabetics

who don't know what carbs are, but I do blame the incompetence of the

medical profession, who should know better, espefcially by this time.

If they have diabetic complications now, I would today recommend you refer

them, the diabetic patient, to a competent attorney, who can file a suit for

medical malpractice.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>>

>>

>>

>> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>>

>> Dean

>>

>> Hi everyone,

>> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten any

>> of

>> the groups Wayne is on.

>>

>> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of tissue

>> which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

>> would

>> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

>> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not healing.

>> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

>> will

>> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

>> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

>> for

>> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

>> to

>> be back in touch with everyone.

>>

>> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

>> please

>> let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

>> all

>> of you for your prayers and caring.

>>

>> In His love and service,

>> , the King's Child

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

The doctors will not make a change in their prescribing behavior and

follow-up care unless they start paying a high price for their incompetence

and negligence, and only a lawyer can make them pay attention. Enough is

known about diabetes today to practically prevent the onset of diabetic

complications, and if lawyers knew this as well as you and I know this, then

the patients with diabetic complications and lawyers in the future would

extract a high dollar figure for the doctor's malpractice. Of course if the

patient with diabetes is noncompliant, then the doctor cannot be blamed. I

am sure patients will still have diabetic complications as long as the

doctors do not get up-to-date on their medical journals and research. Ten

or twenty years ago diabetic complications could be blamed on medical lack

of knowledge and technology, but this is not the case today. Today it would

be unconscionable for diabetics to develop diabetic complications with

proper medical care and medical treatment. I, too, am astounded at the

number of diabetics that I encounter who report to me that their A1C is

around 7.0, and this is just fine with their treating physician. When I try

to enlighten them regarding what a normal A1D is and what is required to

achieve this, they look at me with puzzlement and disdain. They seem to

think who do you think you are. I don't believe a word you are saying,

after all my doctor is quite pleased with my present state and condition,

and I am paying him for his advice. so it must be much better than the

advice you give me.

I wish I were a lawyer. I would gather cases of diabetic complications that

have occurred since the year 2000, when the medical knowledge and medical

technology has been available to prevent and in some cases even reverse or

cure some diabetic complications.

I believe with a few cases like in a class action suit or even with

individual doctors, I could make a fortune and my clients would be better

off, too.

The insurance companies would insist that the doctors know how to treat a

diabetic from then on, or they would not insure the physician.

Every day I am thankful for the folks on this list serve for saving my leg

from amputation and showing me how to achieve normal glucose levels.

A special thanks goes to , Pat and K. Bernstein, M. D for

showing me the way. I am absolutely serious here!

I do not blame the diabetic who wishes to have guidance and help and no

complications, even though they may have these complications. It is not

hard to understand their befuzzlement when confronted with a character like

me and their treating physician when presented with information that is

seemingly contradictory to what their doctor is telling them.

You want to know malpractice? How many diabetics are told that insulin

works only on carbohydrates? How many are taught carb counting? How many

diabetics are told what a non-diabetic A1C is?

I am sure there are many other examples of medical mal practice than the few

presented above, but it should wake some people up to just a smidgen of how

rampant medical malpractice is.

.. Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>>>

>>> Dean

>>>

>>> Hi everyone,

>>> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

>>> any

>>> of

>>> the groups Wayne is on.

>>>

>>> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

>>> tissue

>>> which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

>>> would

>>> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

>>> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

>>> healing.

>>> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

>>> will

>>> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

>>> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

>>> for

>>> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

>>> to

>>> be back in touch with everyone.

>>>

>>> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

>>> please

>>> let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

>>> all

>>> of you for your prayers and caring.

>>>

>>> In His love and service,

>>> , the King's Child

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

The doctors will not make a change in their prescribing behavior and

follow-up care unless they start paying a high price for their incompetence

and negligence, and only a lawyer can make them pay attention. Enough is

known about diabetes today to practically prevent the onset of diabetic

complications, and if lawyers knew this as well as you and I know this, then

the patients with diabetic complications and lawyers in the future would

extract a high dollar figure for the doctor's malpractice. Of course if the

patient with diabetes is noncompliant, then the doctor cannot be blamed. I

am sure patients will still have diabetic complications as long as the

doctors do not get up-to-date on their medical journals and research. Ten

or twenty years ago diabetic complications could be blamed on medical lack

of knowledge and technology, but this is not the case today. Today it would

be unconscionable for diabetics to develop diabetic complications with

proper medical care and medical treatment. I, too, am astounded at the

number of diabetics that I encounter who report to me that their A1C is

around 7.0, and this is just fine with their treating physician. When I try

to enlighten them regarding what a normal A1D is and what is required to

achieve this, they look at me with puzzlement and disdain. They seem to

think who do you think you are. I don't believe a word you are saying,

after all my doctor is quite pleased with my present state and condition,

and I am paying him for his advice. so it must be much better than the

advice you give me.

I wish I were a lawyer. I would gather cases of diabetic complications that

have occurred since the year 2000, when the medical knowledge and medical

technology has been available to prevent and in some cases even reverse or

cure some diabetic complications.

I believe with a few cases like in a class action suit or even with

individual doctors, I could make a fortune and my clients would be better

off, too.

The insurance companies would insist that the doctors know how to treat a

diabetic from then on, or they would not insure the physician.

Every day I am thankful for the folks on this list serve for saving my leg

from amputation and showing me how to achieve normal glucose levels.

A special thanks goes to , Pat and K. Bernstein, M. D for

showing me the way. I am absolutely serious here!

I do not blame the diabetic who wishes to have guidance and help and no

complications, even though they may have these complications. It is not

hard to understand their befuzzlement when confronted with a character like

me and their treating physician when presented with information that is

seemingly contradictory to what their doctor is telling them.

You want to know malpractice? How many diabetics are told that insulin

works only on carbohydrates? How many are taught carb counting? How many

diabetics are told what a non-diabetic A1C is?

I am sure there are many other examples of medical mal practice than the few

presented above, but it should wake some people up to just a smidgen of how

rampant medical malpractice is.

.. Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>>>

>>> Dean

>>>

>>> Hi everyone,

>>> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

>>> any

>>> of

>>> the groups Wayne is on.

>>>

>>> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

>>> tissue

>>> which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

>>> would

>>> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

>>> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

>>> healing.

>>> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

>>> will

>>> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

>>> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

>>> for

>>> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

>>> to

>>> be back in touch with everyone.

>>>

>>> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

>>> please

>>> let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

>>> all

>>> of you for your prayers and caring.

>>>

>>> In His love and service,

>>> , the King's Child

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

The doctors will not make a change in their prescribing behavior and

follow-up care unless they start paying a high price for their incompetence

and negligence, and only a lawyer can make them pay attention. Enough is

known about diabetes today to practically prevent the onset of diabetic

complications, and if lawyers knew this as well as you and I know this, then

the patients with diabetic complications and lawyers in the future would

extract a high dollar figure for the doctor's malpractice. Of course if the

patient with diabetes is noncompliant, then the doctor cannot be blamed. I

am sure patients will still have diabetic complications as long as the

doctors do not get up-to-date on their medical journals and research. Ten

or twenty years ago diabetic complications could be blamed on medical lack

of knowledge and technology, but this is not the case today. Today it would

be unconscionable for diabetics to develop diabetic complications with

proper medical care and medical treatment. I, too, am astounded at the

number of diabetics that I encounter who report to me that their A1C is

around 7.0, and this is just fine with their treating physician. When I try

to enlighten them regarding what a normal A1D is and what is required to

achieve this, they look at me with puzzlement and disdain. They seem to

think who do you think you are. I don't believe a word you are saying,

after all my doctor is quite pleased with my present state and condition,

and I am paying him for his advice. so it must be much better than the

advice you give me.

I wish I were a lawyer. I would gather cases of diabetic complications that

have occurred since the year 2000, when the medical knowledge and medical

technology has been available to prevent and in some cases even reverse or

cure some diabetic complications.

I believe with a few cases like in a class action suit or even with

individual doctors, I could make a fortune and my clients would be better

off, too.

The insurance companies would insist that the doctors know how to treat a

diabetic from then on, or they would not insure the physician.

Every day I am thankful for the folks on this list serve for saving my leg

from amputation and showing me how to achieve normal glucose levels.

A special thanks goes to , Pat and K. Bernstein, M. D for

showing me the way. I am absolutely serious here!

I do not blame the diabetic who wishes to have guidance and help and no

complications, even though they may have these complications. It is not

hard to understand their befuzzlement when confronted with a character like

me and their treating physician when presented with information that is

seemingly contradictory to what their doctor is telling them.

You want to know malpractice? How many diabetics are told that insulin

works only on carbohydrates? How many are taught carb counting? How many

diabetics are told what a non-diabetic A1C is?

I am sure there are many other examples of medical mal practice than the few

presented above, but it should wake some people up to just a smidgen of how

rampant medical malpractice is.

.. Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>>>

>>> Dean

>>>

>>> Hi everyone,

>>> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

>>> any

>>> of

>>> the groups Wayne is on.

>>>

>>> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

>>> tissue

>>> which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

>>> would

>>> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

>>> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

>>> healing.

>>> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

>>> will

>>> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

>>> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

>>> for

>>> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

>>> to

>>> be back in touch with everyone.

>>>

>>> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

>>> please

>>> let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

>>> all

>>> of you for your prayers and caring.

>>>

>>> In His love and service,

>>> , the King's Child

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

It isn't always the docs fault! It can also be the person who has diabetes

.. I was in denial for the first 10 years of my diabetes and suffered

complications with the lost of my vision.

I would see my specialist and doctor but lied to them about testing and what

I was eating and so on and eventually stopped seeing them because I knew I

was not doing what I should be doing.

Unfortunately in some cases it isn't until a person with diabetes has some

health issues that they finally come round and decide to do something about

it. They may be able to prevent it becoming worse and cease it but there

are others who have left it too late to reverse the damage already done.

from down under

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

> >

> >

> >

> > I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

> >

> > Dean

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

any

> > of

> > the groups Wayne is on.

> >

> > Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

tissue

> > which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

> > would

> > have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

> > anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

healing.

> > He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

> > will

> > take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

> > instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

for

> > him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

> > to

> > be back in touch with everyone.

> >

> > If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

please

> > let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

> > all

> > of you for your prayers and caring.

> >

> > In His love and service,

> > , the King's Child

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

You make my point about noncompliant diabetics. With today's technology of

glucose monitors that store data, which is readily retrievable and A1C tests

it would be difficult, if not impossible for a patient to lie to his

physician for more than a quarter or half year and get away with it. If the

physician today lets this go unchallenged, then he/she is not doing their

job as a physician. The physician today has better tools to detect

noncompliance and compliance, and that is the fact of the matter.

If the patient insists on being noncompliant, then the physician can

document this in his records and they will not be held accountable. If the

patient still insists on denying their disorder and its seriousness, then

the onus is on him/her.

A diabetic has the right to have diabetic complications like blindness and

loss of vision, neuropathy, heart trouble, impotence, kidney failure, and a

whole host of other problems, not to mention amputations.

All of these complications mentioned above can be mostly avoided altogether

by running close to normal non-diabetic A1C's.

The best treatment for denial is confrontation in a protective environment.

When healthy habits are stressed and unhealthy consequences are incorporated

along with regular medical check-ups, then if the patient has a serious

problem, they would have mostly themselves to blame for their situation.

I know this would be hard for the patient to realize in the present, because

I am a tobacco addict, and I would love to have a cigarette right about now.

However, I will deny myself of this pleasure, since I have come to love

breathing without chest discomfort more than I like to smoke. In fact I

would love to have a hand rolled cigar right now, but, alas, it, too, causes

me breathing problems after three or four days of smoking a good cigar.

I still say the doctors need to learn how to treat a diabetic, since it is

one of the most prevalent medical disorders of humans on the planet. Some

times you have to hit a mule with a two by four to get his attention.

Slapping a physician with a malpractice suit is another way of getting their

attention.

Just remember the treating physician has more clout than you or I in trying

to tell a diabetic on how to treat themselves, and that is the fact of the

matter.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>> >

>> > Dean

>> >

>> > Hi everyone,

>> > I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

> any

>> > of

>> > the groups Wayne is on.

>> >

>> > Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

> tissue

>> > which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

>> > would

>> > have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might

>> > happen

>> > anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

> healing.

>> > He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

>> > will

>> > take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit

>> > today

>> > instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

> for

>> > him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be

>> > glad

>> > to

>> > be back in touch with everyone.

>> >

>> > If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

> please

>> > let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

>> > all

>> > of you for your prayers and caring.

>> >

>> > In His love and service,

>> > , the King's Child

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

,

You make my point about noncompliant diabetics. With today's technology of

glucose monitors that store data, which is readily retrievable and A1C tests

it would be difficult, if not impossible for a patient to lie to his

physician for more than a quarter or half year and get away with it. If the

physician today lets this go unchallenged, then he/she is not doing their

job as a physician. The physician today has better tools to detect

noncompliance and compliance, and that is the fact of the matter.

If the patient insists on being noncompliant, then the physician can

document this in his records and they will not be held accountable. If the

patient still insists on denying their disorder and its seriousness, then

the onus is on him/her.

A diabetic has the right to have diabetic complications like blindness and

loss of vision, neuropathy, heart trouble, impotence, kidney failure, and a

whole host of other problems, not to mention amputations.

All of these complications mentioned above can be mostly avoided altogether

by running close to normal non-diabetic A1C's.

The best treatment for denial is confrontation in a protective environment.

When healthy habits are stressed and unhealthy consequences are incorporated

along with regular medical check-ups, then if the patient has a serious

problem, they would have mostly themselves to blame for their situation.

I know this would be hard for the patient to realize in the present, because

I am a tobacco addict, and I would love to have a cigarette right about now.

However, I will deny myself of this pleasure, since I have come to love

breathing without chest discomfort more than I like to smoke. In fact I

would love to have a hand rolled cigar right now, but, alas, it, too, causes

me breathing problems after three or four days of smoking a good cigar.

I still say the doctors need to learn how to treat a diabetic, since it is

one of the most prevalent medical disorders of humans on the planet. Some

times you have to hit a mule with a two by four to get his attention.

Slapping a physician with a malpractice suit is another way of getting their

attention.

Just remember the treating physician has more clout than you or I in trying

to tell a diabetic on how to treat themselves, and that is the fact of the

matter.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>> >

>> > Dean

>> >

>> > Hi everyone,

>> > I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

> any

>> > of

>> > the groups Wayne is on.

>> >

>> > Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

> tissue

>> > which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

>> > would

>> > have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might

>> > happen

>> > anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

> healing.

>> > He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

>> > will

>> > take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit

>> > today

>> > instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

> for

>> > him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be

>> > glad

>> > to

>> > be back in touch with everyone.

>> >

>> > If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

> please

>> > let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

>> > all

>> > of you for your prayers and caring.

>> >

>> > In His love and service,

>> > , the King's Child

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

,

You make my point about noncompliant diabetics. With today's technology of

glucose monitors that store data, which is readily retrievable and A1C tests

it would be difficult, if not impossible for a patient to lie to his

physician for more than a quarter or half year and get away with it. If the

physician today lets this go unchallenged, then he/she is not doing their

job as a physician. The physician today has better tools to detect

noncompliance and compliance, and that is the fact of the matter.

If the patient insists on being noncompliant, then the physician can

document this in his records and they will not be held accountable. If the

patient still insists on denying their disorder and its seriousness, then

the onus is on him/her.

A diabetic has the right to have diabetic complications like blindness and

loss of vision, neuropathy, heart trouble, impotence, kidney failure, and a

whole host of other problems, not to mention amputations.

All of these complications mentioned above can be mostly avoided altogether

by running close to normal non-diabetic A1C's.

The best treatment for denial is confrontation in a protective environment.

When healthy habits are stressed and unhealthy consequences are incorporated

along with regular medical check-ups, then if the patient has a serious

problem, they would have mostly themselves to blame for their situation.

I know this would be hard for the patient to realize in the present, because

I am a tobacco addict, and I would love to have a cigarette right about now.

However, I will deny myself of this pleasure, since I have come to love

breathing without chest discomfort more than I like to smoke. In fact I

would love to have a hand rolled cigar right now, but, alas, it, too, causes

me breathing problems after three or four days of smoking a good cigar.

I still say the doctors need to learn how to treat a diabetic, since it is

one of the most prevalent medical disorders of humans on the planet. Some

times you have to hit a mule with a two by four to get his attention.

Slapping a physician with a malpractice suit is another way of getting their

attention.

Just remember the treating physician has more clout than you or I in trying

to tell a diabetic on how to treat themselves, and that is the fact of the

matter.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>> >

>> > Dean

>> >

>> > Hi everyone,

>> > I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

> any

>> > of

>> > the groups Wayne is on.

>> >

>> > Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

> tissue

>> > which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

>> > would

>> > have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might

>> > happen

>> > anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

> healing.

>> > He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

>> > will

>> > take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit

>> > today

>> > instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

> for

>> > him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be

>> > glad

>> > to

>> > be back in touch with everyone.

>> >

>> > If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

> please

>> > let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

>> > all

>> > of you for your prayers and caring.

>> >

>> > In His love and service,

>> > , the King's Child

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Last year, around October think it was, I worked with wayne for 2 weeks on carb

counting, got him on lantus for long acting and humalog for quick acting and off

the 70/30. I did this all over the phone with him. We figured out his breakfast

and lunch but never got to his dinner.

It came to a point that Wayne did not want to continue figuring out his dinner

and just lost interest in it. I never knew why, but, part of me wonders if wayne

gave up a long time ago.

Wayne is in my prayers but man, I just felt terrible after he lost his second

leg since I know if he would have worked with me and did the drill, it would

never have happened. He even told me on the phone that he felt there may have

been hope to prevent further complications using carb counting and

humalog/lantus but, then he just paused, and didn't say anything.

hmmmmmmm.

Cy called me and I expressed my deepest concerns for wayne. I felt terrible

because I know I could have helped him. Cy told me, which was good to hear, you

can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.

Boy if I could only make more horses drink!

Regards,

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>

>

>

> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>

> Dean

>

> Hi everyone,

> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten any

> of

> the groups Wayne is on.

>

> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of tissue

> which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

> would

> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not healing.

> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

> will

> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray for

> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

> to

> be back in touch with everyone.

>

> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you please

> let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

> all

> of you for your prayers and caring.

>

> In His love and service,

> , the King's Child

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi .

this is true, sad to say, most diabetics have to get serious complications

before they stop eating like a normal person and start doing what is right.

Regards,

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

> >

> >

> >

> > I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

> >

> > Dean

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

any

> > of

> > the groups Wayne is on.

> >

> > Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

tissue

> > which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

> > would

> > have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

> > anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

healing.

> > He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

> > will

> > take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

> > instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

for

> > him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

> > to

> > be back in touch with everyone.

> >

> > If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

please

> > let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

> > all

> > of you for your prayers and caring.

> >

> > In His love and service,

> > , the King's Child

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

One can lead a horse to water and make him drink only when you can control

all the choices in the horses environment except two; to drink or not to

drink.

In this scenario the probability goes way up that the horse will drink

rather than die. Just lead the horse to water and stake him there, where he

cannot move unless he drinks no matter how long it takes, and see what

happens.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

> >

> >

> >

> > I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

> >

> > Dean

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

> any

> > of

> > the groups Wayne is on.

> >

> > Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

> tissue

> > which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

> > would

> > have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might

> happen

> > anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

> healing.

> > He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

> > will

> > take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit

> today

> > instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

> for

> > him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be

> glad

> > to

> > be back in touch with everyone.

> >

> > If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

> please

> > let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

> > all

> > of you for your prayers and caring.

> >

> > In His love and service,

> > , the King's Child

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That's right . You can lead them to water but ... The option of

drinking or not drinking does not really apply in most situations in

life-there are too many other variables; most of which are a perso'sons

state of mind.

Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

One can lead a horse to water and make him drink only when you can control

all the choices in the horses environment except two; to drink or not to

drink.

In this scenario the probability goes way up that the horse will drink

rather than die. Just lead the horse to water and stake him there, where he

cannot move unless he drinks no matter how long it takes, and see what

happens.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

> >

> >

> >

> > I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

> >

> > Dean

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

> any

> > of

> > the groups Wayne is on.

> >

> > Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

> tissue

> > which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

> > would

> > have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might

> happen

> > anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

> healing.

> > He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

> > will

> > take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit

> today

> > instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

> for

> > him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be

> glad

> > to

> > be back in touch with everyone.

> >

> > If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

> please

> > let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

> > all

> > of you for your prayers and caring.

> >

> > In His love and service,

> > , the King's Child

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That's right . You can lead them to water but ... The option of

drinking or not drinking does not really apply in most situations in

life-there are too many other variables; most of which are a perso'sons

state of mind.

Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

One can lead a horse to water and make him drink only when you can control

all the choices in the horses environment except two; to drink or not to

drink.

In this scenario the probability goes way up that the horse will drink

rather than die. Just lead the horse to water and stake him there, where he

cannot move unless he drinks no matter how long it takes, and see what

happens.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

> >

> >

> >

> > I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

> >

> > Dean

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

> any

> > of

> > the groups Wayne is on.

> >

> > Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

> tissue

> > which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

> > would

> > have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might

> happen

> > anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

> healing.

> > He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

> > will

> > take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit

> today

> > instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

> for

> > him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be

> glad

> > to

> > be back in touch with everyone.

> >

> > If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

> please

> > let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

> > all

> > of you for your prayers and caring.

> >

> > In His love and service,

> > , the King's Child

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That's right . You can lead them to water but ... The option of

drinking or not drinking does not really apply in most situations in

life-there are too many other variables; most of which are a perso'sons

state of mind.

Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

One can lead a horse to water and make him drink only when you can control

all the choices in the horses environment except two; to drink or not to

drink.

In this scenario the probability goes way up that the horse will drink

rather than die. Just lead the horse to water and stake him there, where he

cannot move unless he drinks no matter how long it takes, and see what

happens.

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

> >

> >

> >

> > I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

> >

> > Dean

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

> any

> > of

> > the groups Wayne is on.

> >

> > Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

> tissue

> > which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

> > would

> > have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might

> happen

> > anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

> healing.

> > He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

> > will

> > take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit

> today

> > instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

> for

> > him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be

> glad

> > to

> > be back in touch with everyone.

> >

> > If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

> please

> > let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

> > all

> > of you for your prayers and caring.

> >

> > In His love and service,

> > , the King's Child

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You know harry, you seem to be blaming the doctors for most of the client's

non-compliances. Having been diabetic and having worked with diabaetics for

almost all of my life, I have found it is more the patient's choice of being

non-compliant than it is of the doctors non-treatment-although there is a

component of that too. People just do not want to believe that eating right

can cure them. I do't understand the addiction to food. I have a friend

who weighs over 300 pounds. she has been diabetic since she was in her early

20's and she is now 55. she gained and gained and gained after her husband

died 20 years ago and she still won't cut down on her eating despite all the

complications she has. It is like th drug addict who know the heroin is

killing themm, but won't do the things that need to be done to break himself

of the habit. Some peoople do quit using and we know many people who do

become compliant, but why doesn't everyone? Mystery to me.

Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

The doctors will not make a change in their prescribing behavior and

follow-up care unless they start paying a high price for their incompetence

and negligence, and only a lawyer can make them pay attention. Enough is

known about diabetes today to practically prevent the onset of diabetic

complications, and if lawyers knew this as well as you and I know this, then

the patients with diabetic complications and lawyers in the future would

extract a high dollar figure for the doctor's malpractice. Of course if the

patient with diabetes is noncompliant, then the doctor cannot be blamed. I

am sure patients will still have diabetic complications as long as the

doctors do not get up-to-date on their medical journals and research. Ten

or twenty years ago diabetic complications could be blamed on medical lack

of knowledge and technology, but this is not the case today. Today it would

be unconscionable for diabetics to develop diabetic complications with

proper medical care and medical treatment. I, too, am astounded at the

number of diabetics that I encounter who report to me that their A1C is

around 7.0, and this is just fine with their treating physician. When I try

to enlighten them regarding what a normal A1D is and what is required to

achieve this, they look at me with puzzlement and disdain. They seem to

think who do you think you are. I don't believe a word you are saying,

after all my doctor is quite pleased with my present state and condition,

and I am paying him for his advice. so it must be much better than the

advice you give me.

I wish I were a lawyer. I would gather cases of diabetic complications that

have occurred since the year 2000, when the medical knowledge and medical

technology has been available to prevent and in some cases even reverse or

cure some diabetic complications.

I believe with a few cases like in a class action suit or even with

individual doctors, I could make a fortune and my clients would be better

off, too.

The insurance companies would insist that the doctors know how to treat a

diabetic from then on, or they would not insure the physician.

Every day I am thankful for the folks on this list serve for saving my leg

from amputation and showing me how to achieve normal glucose levels.

A special thanks goes to , Pat and K. Bernstein, M. D for

showing me the way. I am absolutely serious here!

I do not blame the diabetic who wishes to have guidance and help and no

complications, even though they may have these complications. It is not

hard to understand their befuzzlement when confronted with a character like

me and their treating physician when presented with information that is

seemingly contradictory to what their doctor is telling them.

You want to know malpractice? How many diabetics are told that insulin

works only on carbohydrates? How many are taught carb counting? How many

diabetics are told what a non-diabetic A1C is?

I am sure there are many other examples of medical mal practice than the few

presented above, but it should wake some people up to just a smidgen of how

rampant medical malpractice is.

.. Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>>>

>>> Dean

>>>

>>> Hi everyone,

>>> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

>>> any

>>> of

>>> the groups Wayne is on.

>>>

>>> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

>>> tissue

>>> which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

>>> would

>>> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

>>> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

>>> healing.

>>> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

>>> will

>>> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

>>> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

>>> for

>>> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

>>> to

>>> be back in touch with everyone.

>>>

>>> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

>>> please

>>> let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

>>> all

>>> of you for your prayers and caring.

>>>

>>> In His love and service,

>>> , the King's Child

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

You're right . I ehave even seeeen people with complications who

continue to deny it is their fault they have the complications. they

continue to blame the doctor My own endocrinologisthas read Dr. Bernsteins

book and agrees it is a great diet, but he told me the vast majority of his

patient's would not follow that diest, so he tris to deal with what they

will do and still keep their diabeties in control.

Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

It isn't always the docs fault! It can also be the person who has diabetes

.. I was in denial for the first 10 years of my diabetes and suffered

complications with the lost of my vision.

I would see my specialist and doctor but lied to them about testing and what

I was eating and so on and eventually stopped seeing them because I knew I

was not doing what I should be doing.

Unfortunately in some cases it isn't until a person with diabetes has some

health issues that they finally come round and decide to do something about

it. They may be able to prevent it becoming worse and cease it but there

are others who have left it too late to reverse the damage already done.

from down under

Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

> >

> >

> >

> > I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

> >

> > Dean

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't forgotten

any

> > of

> > the groups Wayne is on.

> >

> > Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

tissue

> > which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this surgery, he

> > would

> > have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might happen

> > anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

healing.

> > He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but it

> > will

> > take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit today

> > instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to pray

for

> > him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be glad

> > to

> > be back in touch with everyone.

> >

> > If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

please

> > let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks so much to

> > all

> > of you for your prayers and caring.

> >

> > In His love and service,

> > , the King's Child

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

So far as non compliance is concerned just look at how many people smoke

despite the well documented fact that smoking is very bad for one's

health...

The vast majority of folks want what they want and they want it now.

Consequences are for tomorrow, not today.

Cy, the Ancient Okie...

Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

The doctors will not make a change in their prescribing behavior and

follow-up care unless they start paying a high price for their

incompetence and negligence, and only a lawyer can make them pay

attention. Enough is known about diabetes today to practically prevent

the onset of diabetic complications, and if lawyers knew this as well as

you and I know this, then the patients with diabetic complications and

lawyers in the future would extract a high dollar figure for the

doctor's malpractice. Of course if the patient with diabetes is

noncompliant, then the doctor cannot be blamed. I am sure patients will

still have diabetic complications as long as the doctors do not get

up-to-date on their medical journals and research. Ten or twenty years

ago diabetic complications could be blamed on medical lack of knowledge

and technology, but this is not the case today. Today it would be

unconscionable for diabetics to develop diabetic complications with

proper medical care and medical treatment. I, too, am astounded at the

number of diabetics that I encounter who report to me that their A1C is

around 7.0, and this is just fine with their treating physician. When I

try to enlighten them regarding what a normal A1D is and what is

required to achieve this, they look at me with puzzlement and disdain.

They seem to think who do you think you are. I don't believe a word you

are saying, after all my doctor is quite pleased with my present state

and condition, and I am paying him for his advice. so it must be much

better than the advice you give me. I wish I were a lawyer. I would

gather cases of diabetic complications that have occurred since the year

2000, when the medical knowledge and medical technology has been

available to prevent and in some cases even reverse or cure some

diabetic complications. I believe with a few cases like in a class

action suit or even with individual doctors, I could make a fortune and

my clients would be better off, too. The insurance companies would

insist that the doctors know how to treat a diabetic from then on, or

they would not insure the physician. Every day I am thankful for the

folks on this list serve for saving my leg from amputation and showing

me how to achieve normal glucose levels. A special thanks goes to

, Pat and K. Bernstein, M. D for showing me the way. I am

absolutely serious here! I do not blame the diabetic who wishes to have

guidance and help and no complications, even though they may have these

complications. It is not hard to understand their befuzzlement when

confronted with a character like me and their treating physician when

presented with information that is seemingly contradictory to what their

doctor is telling them. You want to know malpractice? How many

diabetics are told that insulin works only on carbohydrates? How many

are taught carb counting? How many diabetics are told what a

non-diabetic A1C is? I am sure there are many other examples of medical

mal practice than the few presented above, but it should wake some

people up to just a smidgen of how rampant medical malpractice is.

.. Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>>>

>>> Dean

>>>

>>> Hi everyone,

>>> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't

>>> forgotten any of

>>> the groups Wayne is on.

>>>

>>> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

>>> tissue which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this

>>> surgery, he would

>>> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might

happen

>>> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

>>> healing.

>>> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but

it

>>> will

>>> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit

today

>>> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to

pray

>>> for

>>> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be

glad

>>> to

>>> be back in touch with everyone.

>>>

>>> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

>>> please let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks

>>> so much to all

>>> of you for your prayers and caring.

>>>

>>> In His love and service,

>>> , the King's Child

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

,

So far as non compliance is concerned just look at how many people smoke

despite the well documented fact that smoking is very bad for one's

health...

The vast majority of folks want what they want and they want it now.

Consequences are for tomorrow, not today.

Cy, the Ancient Okie...

Re: Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

The doctors will not make a change in their prescribing behavior and

follow-up care unless they start paying a high price for their

incompetence and negligence, and only a lawyer can make them pay

attention. Enough is known about diabetes today to practically prevent

the onset of diabetic complications, and if lawyers knew this as well as

you and I know this, then the patients with diabetic complications and

lawyers in the future would extract a high dollar figure for the

doctor's malpractice. Of course if the patient with diabetes is

noncompliant, then the doctor cannot be blamed. I am sure patients will

still have diabetic complications as long as the doctors do not get

up-to-date on their medical journals and research. Ten or twenty years

ago diabetic complications could be blamed on medical lack of knowledge

and technology, but this is not the case today. Today it would be

unconscionable for diabetics to develop diabetic complications with

proper medical care and medical treatment. I, too, am astounded at the

number of diabetics that I encounter who report to me that their A1C is

around 7.0, and this is just fine with their treating physician. When I

try to enlighten them regarding what a normal A1D is and what is

required to achieve this, they look at me with puzzlement and disdain.

They seem to think who do you think you are. I don't believe a word you

are saying, after all my doctor is quite pleased with my present state

and condition, and I am paying him for his advice. so it must be much

better than the advice you give me. I wish I were a lawyer. I would

gather cases of diabetic complications that have occurred since the year

2000, when the medical knowledge and medical technology has been

available to prevent and in some cases even reverse or cure some

diabetic complications. I believe with a few cases like in a class

action suit or even with individual doctors, I could make a fortune and

my clients would be better off, too. The insurance companies would

insist that the doctors know how to treat a diabetic from then on, or

they would not insure the physician. Every day I am thankful for the

folks on this list serve for saving my leg from amputation and showing

me how to achieve normal glucose levels. A special thanks goes to

, Pat and K. Bernstein, M. D for showing me the way. I am

absolutely serious here! I do not blame the diabetic who wishes to have

guidance and help and no complications, even though they may have these

complications. It is not hard to understand their befuzzlement when

confronted with a character like me and their treating physician when

presented with information that is seemingly contradictory to what their

doctor is telling them. You want to know malpractice? How many

diabetics are told that insulin works only on carbohydrates? How many

are taught carb counting? How many diabetics are told what a

non-diabetic A1C is? I am sure there are many other examples of medical

mal practice than the few presented above, but it should wake some

people up to just a smidgen of how rampant medical malpractice is.

.. Fw: Prayers for Wayne Kerstetter

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I just got this from a friend of Wayne's.

>>>

>>> Dean

>>>

>>> Hi everyone,

>>> I'm sorry for the cross post, but this way I hope I haven't

>>> forgotten any of

>>> the groups Wayne is on.

>>>

>>> Wayne is going into surgery sometime this afternoon for removal of

>>> tissue which is infected from bed sores. If they did not do this

>>> surgery, he would

>>> have to have a colostomy eventually. He is worried that it might

happen

>>> anyway, even with this surgery, because these sores are just not

>>> healing.

>>> He just wants everyone to know that he still intends to be back, but

it

>>> will

>>> take a bit longer. He had thought to be moved into the rehab unit

today

>>> instead of surgery. He thanks anyone who might be so inclined to

pray

>>> for

>>> him, and thanks you very deeply. He misses all of you, and will be

glad

>>> to

>>> be back in touch with everyone.

>>>

>>> If there might be a list that you are on that I'm not on, would you

>>> please let your list members know about this latest crisis. Thanks

>>> so much to all

>>> of you for your prayers and caring.

>>>

>>> In His love and service,

>>> , the King's Child

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>